a youtuber created this match up. >> i'm building a wall. i'm being a wall. >> even it won't keep out the proverbial fly on the wall. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thanks for watching. "ac 360" starts now. we begin tonight on this martin luther king day. >> it should be pointed out president trump has had to make that claim on more than one day of his candidacy. keeping him honest, the president's racist remarks were confirmed by a democrat and republican senators. and backed up by two more

republican colleagues. selling cnn that their defense seemed to hinge on the -- as if hole were racist and somehow house is not. now according to our source, that is the basis for two going on tv and denying the whole thing. house instead of hole. and on this martin luther king holiday. how did the president honor dr. king? he got in a round of golf. unlike any other president, this president did no public service that we know of. he did however fire off a name calling tweet that is related to all of this which we will get to shortly.

first though, the president's claim which i want to play again in case of missed it. >> i am not a racist. i am the least racist person that you have ever interviewed. >> i suppose the claim of being the least racist person depends on who you have interviewed. passed the civil rights act or the voting rights act or the fair housing act. claim that they are less racist. so might the freedom writers. gave their lives to -- segregation. they might be less racist. or father flaggar who i have had the none honor of spending time

with. dedicating his life to chicago. but perhaps that is setting the bar too high. maybe the question should be is the man who says he is the least racist person less racist than a real estate developer for system matically discriminating against people of color. -- convicted of beating and raping a white jogger then refused to see their innocence. is he less racist than that guy? or how about the casino owner who said this, black guys counting my money, i hate it, the only people i want counting my money are short guys wearing yammicas. or someone who would say this about the country's first

african-american president. >> because i asked to see his college records, i would like to see them. one line called -- one line called place of birth, i would like to see what he said. i would be very interested. i don't care what his marks were. i would just like to see place of birth. what, you know, perhaps it is going to say hawaii. perhaps it is going to say kenya. perhaps it is going to say -- i would like to see place of birth. >> well, to be the least racist person, you would have to be less racist than that. and less racist than the guy who said so many other things than the guy saying this, chanting jju jews will not replace us. >> you had bad people in that

group. look at my african american over here. calling for a complete shut down of muslims entering the united states. when mexico sends their people, they are not sending their best. they are bringing drugs. they are bringing crime. they are rapist. you were here long before any of us were here. although we have a representative in congress who they say was a long time ago. they call her pocahontas. not only are the president's racist remarks causing anger and uproar. that could lead to a government shutdown. the president poured gasoline on

that fire. the president tweeting senator dicky durbin represented what was said at the daca meeting. d durbin blew daca. pamela brown is at the white house for us. >> reporter: you pointed out several examples there. more recently, in the last fie months in the wake of the response of the charlottesville protest. today it is martin luther king jr. day. now of course there is dispute as you pointed out about what the president actually said in the oval office, whether it was s-house, s-hole, it is a distinction without a difference. because the sentiment is the same. i spoke to one white house

official saying the president wasn't saying it about the people, it was said about the country. the president did deny that he did use that vulgar language. a lot of questions shouted at the president here tonight when he landed on the lawn of course asking about the comments, asking about daca and the controversy surrounding it. and he ignored the questions. >> initial white house statement on that night when this story broke, it seemed to basically back up what he said. didn't directly addressed the comments per se but talked about how he is defending america. and that is his priority. >> reporter: there were similar comments reported in the new york times.

>> all haitians have aids and talking about everybody in nigeria living in huts. it was mainly white house aides, these comments made it harder for them to deny. >> exactly. and like i pointed out. s-hole versus s house, a difference without distinction. as you pointed out, tom cotton and senator purdue. they didn't recall what was said in the oval office. and by sunday they were coming out saying he didn't use the vulgar word. and then it came out that he used s house instead of s hole. >> do white house aides believe that the president is going to be able to put this behind him. >> i spoke to one saying the

white house is confident he is going to move forward. focus on a clean budget deal, but the reality is that it is going to be tough for them to move past this controversy because democrats are tying it with the daca deal saying it is going to make it harder for them to come to a deal on daca and threatening to withhold their vote. and the white house acknowledges that saying daca is part of the calculus here. there are several meetings, phone calls set up here at the white house. it is going to be a busy week here at the white house. >> pam brown, thanks. more on how the president remarks could lead to a shutdown. phil mattingly joins us from the capitol. >>. >> in a sense it is a microcosm

of house this issues breaks. even the loyalty to the president, there is a sharp divide inside the republican party. in terms of where they actually stand on this. and all of this under scores the difficulty republican leaders are facing right now. when it comes to this issue, there is a bipartisan that is on the plate right now. the real question is what, and as they currently look at this week, as pam laid out so well, the difficulties, the complexities of just trying to keep the government open, the reality is that inside the republican party there is no firm agreement on how to address the daca issue. and as long as there isn't, there is a real possibility that the republican can't coalesce against anything at all and if they can't, the question is can

they actually address this issue. and right now, they say we want to. we need to. we understand this is something on our plate. and you ask what is the solution, they don't have one at this point. as we mentioned the president went golfing today. take a look at how his predecessors spent this day. and also how lawmakers are reacting to his claims. and the comments that starts this in the first place. touch is how we communicate with those we love, but when your psoriasis is bad, does it ever get in the way? embrace the chance of 100% clear skin with taltz.

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on friday he called on all americans to observe the day. joining me, the panel. bakari, when you hear the president say he is the least racist person that reporters ever interviewed, i am wondering what you thought? >> i don't know. when someone has to say that they are the least racist person, nine times out of ten, they are pretty racist. what donald trump has difficulty doing is understanding his past. his words on dr. king fall on deaf ears, he doesn't understand hi his legacy. none of that speaks to who donald trump is. and so donald trump is racist. let's not get that wrong. but what we are trying to do is

break down the systemic racism and oppression. not deal with whether or not one man says it or not. >> you know, if i were there working in the white house, i would have advised to have some form of activity service or event on martin luther king day to commemorate the day on the day. but i was pleased to see he joined dr. king's nephew niece in atlanta. i was pleased to see him sign the proclamation with dr. king's nephew this past friday. i was pleased to see secretary ben carson was in atlanta at ebb

knees kneeser baptist church. i was pleased to see vice president pence go to the martin luther king memorial site and lay a wreath. in totality i was pleased to see the administration. and others in the administration did. on whole, it was good. but again, if i had been there i would have advised him to do at least one of those things. >> rich, in your opinion, is there a difference if the president said shit hole or shit house? >> no. i strongly believe from the meeting it was house. but it was the vulgarity. it is going to be offensive to

all groups of people if it comes out. the reaction is over the top. he wasn't saying vile racist things repeatedly. he was talking about the visa lottery programs. the proposal on the table was to continue that program at least in part in a different form. and the president's position, tom cotton's position, the position of immigration restrict igs is that we should move away on countries of origin and go to merit of system. what matters is your educational attainment and your skills. >> the examples the president used first of all talking about africa as if one country.

the example he used is norway which is overwhelmingly people of nordic descent. >> and there is no proposal. >> many of the people who come from africa, have college degrees, very educating. >> there is no proposal to get a lot of norwegians into the country. it will move the stream of immigration to south and east asians. and you look at immigration from sub sahara africa, there are groups doing very well. nigerians, 60% are college graduates, 60% or over 50% are in managerial positions. the median household headed by

an indian immigrant is -- and we are in a position where we can be choosey. so let's choose people who can instantly join the middle class in this country. >> rich, do you have any example of any shit hole country that the president referred to that is predominantly caucasian. >> we don't know what countries he specifically talked about. >> i'm not sure he called every single country in africa an s house or s hole. >> do you think the countries pointed out are pre dominantly of color -- >> anderson, the context of the discussion is about the visa lottery. and durbin and graham say they are going to move to to under privileged -- hold on.

can i finish? which means third world countries which aren't doing very well. again, i don't think he should speak that way about those countries. but you have to interpret those remarks in the context of the underlying policy which is an emphasis on merit. >> to you is in the context of underlying policy, or less people who are black and more people who are white from norway. >> graham and durbin were -- and that is haitians and el salvadorians who have lost it because the trump administration have lost that status. most of them have been here for almost 20 years and are a large part of the community. this is such a silly discussion

whether it was shit hole or shit house. what matters is he could have had a discussion on the merits of immigration. but he chose to insert racism and this kind of color based argument into the discussion and it is not an isolated act by donald trump. it is one more event, one more time, one more statement. look, i'm actually okay with him not having done anything today because i think you should serve and make it a day of service to honor martin luther king because it is in your heart. and if you don't have what it takes to recognize that counter posing a white country with people of color is racist. if you don't have what it takes to apologize for racist remarks. you don't have what it takes to commemorate martin luther king

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one of the senate staunch conservative and supporter of trump is hearing from constituent who is unhappy with the president's remarks. senator ernst is defense.

>> i don't respond to what the president is saying. if i am going to talk, i want to talk about what i am work on and things that are important to iowa. he has stand up to countries -- >> can you name a few? >> norway is one of them. [ laughter ] >> you laugh, but folks who borders norway? russia. >> can see rush from norway. back to the panel. you heard getting laughs not in a good way unclear what the make up of the audience is. but she is getting laughs when she attempts to protects the president. do you see this is a problem for the gop or something that is just this news cycle. >> i don't think that anybody should go out and try to defend

every word that the president of the united states says or every tweet. senator ernst needs to go out and defend her record. and focus on that. and that includes not having this government shut down. when you look at 2018 and looking forward to how that is going to impact the gop, this white house has to stay focused on the things they are doing right and the thing that this president is leading on. the tax cuts that are going to take place and you start to feel them in your pocketbook next month and the positive things that this administration is doing and should get credit for, those are winning messages and i think that is what they should focus on and this too will pass. >> bakari will this pass? >> i am hesitant to say it won't, it won't be just a phase. everything we have seen in donald trump's trajectory since

he came down the steps and called mexicans rapist, and people are getting exhausted. it is the equivalent of drinking out of a fire hose. it is difficult. i don't think that everybody has to be a coward. you can have people who for instance governor charlie baker who spoke about the fact that his mother had alzheimer's and he had an haitian care worker and ethiopian care worker. we understand what it means to be american. the irony in this is that rich was talking about a merit-based system and making $100,000 and this and that. and i am pretty sure that you go out and quote martin luther king jr. which is the ant at this

time -- antithesis. and i am worried about the silence of our friends. and if joanie wants to be an up right americans. and stand for all the virtues of being american, then now is not the time to be a coward. >> what is unamerican about celebrating -- >> what i was pointing to is the fact that we have vast income inequality in this country and you don't have to make $100,000 to be welcome in the united states. if you work with your hands, you are welcome. if you are a nursing assistant you are welcome. if you are a teacher and making $30,000, you are welcome. so we don't have merit that is signed to materiality. >> we have a problem with, we have seen it for ten years more

maybe going back 30 years, people lower -- >> what's the problem? >> i'm going to explain. both native and legal immigrants had a real problem with wage stagnation. and it is a basic law of economics. supply and demand. if you flood lower down in that labor market with new immigrants, you are going to at least at the margins depress wages. so why are we choosing to do that when we have so many people who want to come here who can actually go with the system like canada has, do you think canada h is a racist country? australia has a point based merit system. where you bring people in who could succeed when they first get here in a 21st century economy -- >> no one is calling the united

states. >> go ahead, anderson, ask me the question. >> one at a time. anna, what is wrong with that? >> nothing is wrong with that. we need a modern day immigration system that addresses the needs of our modern day economy. the problem is that right now we are nowhere. if donald trump wants to change the narrative that he is a racist, you asked the question, is it a phase, it will pass because we have limited attention span and trump is 31 flavors of offensive comments. we will remember that he said look at my african-american over there. we will remember his comments. it is all part of a narrative. if donald trump wants to change this narrative, he should act on

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trump's vulgar remarks. i spoke with the congressman just before i went on air. i know what i said. do you have any reason to doubt president graham and do you think the president said that? >> i do not doubt what senator graham has said. he was in the meeting and i accept him at his word. the president has a history, he made incendiary comments about mexicans, muslims and charlottesville and now this. people are not going to give the president the benefit of the doubt. >> and the new york times reported that the president said haitians, they all have aids.

and the white house denied. that if one believes senator graham and durbin what does that mean to senators purdue and cotton are doing? are they lying? did they mishear? >> i can't speak for those two senators. there are others in the meeting who have not respondd. i don't know if they heard something different. i accept senator graham's and senator durbin's comments immediately after the meeting that this is what the president said. i think senator's graham and durbin deserve a lot of credit for coming up with a good bill that could pass the senate and the house right now. how is it going to affect that

agreement and more broadly speaking, i have been to africa on several occasions and the people of sub sahara and africa have a good view of the united states. i am afraid this will set us back all because of these unfortunate comments. after all the good work we have done on hiv aids, and all of that i am worried that we will be in danger because of these very unfortunate remarks. >> yeah. senator graham spoke about daca saying quote we are no the going to get there by the president tweeting and by him trying to blame democrats. that's not going to work. do you think this has derailed the plan? >> i don't believe it has. you know, this whole notion of accommodating the d.r.e.a.m.ers, along with responsible border security measures, cleaning up

the diversity lottery program even dealing with family migration issues, that is part of the graham/durbin bill. i think as republicans we ought to seize this opportunity and deal with it as part of a stand-alone measure or as part of a budget agreement. as part of a broader budget agreement that we need to reach within the next few weeks. >> lastly, when the president says he is the least racist person, do you believe that? >> well, what i know is that the president from time to time has made racially incendiary and inflammatory comments, you know, back to the mexicans and muslims, you know, the indiana judge, charlottesville, a long list on these issues.

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plus savings for everyone in your stateroom, when you book now. during the celebrity cruises sail beyond event. president trump continues to deny he is a racist. the record says other things. starting with citizen trump was president of his father's empire. more on that from our randie kaye. >> reporter: the department of justice took notice in 1973. and slammed donald trump and his father fred trump with a lawsuit. trump managem was charged with discriminating against african-americans and breaking federal law. trump then 27 was president of the company. the department of justice accused the trump of violating

the fair housing act. who tipped them off? local activist, so-called testers. posing as potential renters. >> elise gold weber was a lawyer for the doj's fair housing at the time. >> they may have been shown apartments but were told nothing was available. whereas when the white testers came, yes, there were things that were available. that would be the norm. >> and if the trumps did rent to a black person, gold webber recalls there would do so in one building. reserving the other building for white tenants. >> the people of color would live in flat bush. >> and according to the justice department, they even had a secret coding department to do it. a racial code. here is how. >> some of the application where

is marked with a c which we learned meant colored. so the perspective tenant who is had come in, were noted to be colored. >> yes, you heard her right. the department of justice -- such as c for colored to indicate a black person was looking to rent. in true trump fashion, donald trump hit back calling the government's accusations absolutely ridiculous. and telling the court i have never nor anyone in my organization to my knowledge discriminated or shown bias. failed to give names addresses or specific incidents of discrimination. claiming the lawsuit. seeking $100 million in damages.

that counter suit was tossed out by the judge. even so the trump family maintained they never discriminated based on color. two years later, in 1975, trump and his father settled the case agreeing not to discriminate against anyone. they also promised to advertise in publications aimed at minorities. formalized themselves with the details of the fair housing acts. the department of justice claimed victory, but the trumps never admitted wrongdoing. reportedly it was no admission. >> jack o'donald is a former chief operator of the trump casino. also the author of trumped!

. i spoke to him earlier. >> in your book, you write about a conversation between you and donald trump who was then a citizen where he complained to you about an african american >> sure. it was really a dialogue that we had over a couple of years, anderson. but one particular iran stance where he referred to who was our chief financial officer, by the way, not just an employee. the top financial officer in the organization. and he complained to me that he didn't really like having a black guy counting his money. he went on to say what i want counting my money is short guys with yarmulkes on their head. so it was a pretty shocking conversation. >> was this out of the ordinary for him to say? >> well, no. he had complained several times that he wasn't happy with this particular employee.

but it was really the first time that he really honed in on the fact that he didn't like him simply because he was black because he went on to say in this conversation that he perceived this guy as being lazy. and then he said, but that's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. so he made it very clear that this was a black issue. >> he actually -- >> he did not want -- >> he actually spelled it out in exactly those words? >> he spelled it out in exactly those words. >> what did you -- how do you respond to something like this from a guy who is obviously your boss? >> well, yeah. well, anderson, first off i was shocked. but i actually took the approach that -- i said, donald, you know, first off you can't be talking this way. this is wrong. you don't want people to know you think this way or you would

say things like this. and i tried to back him down from that perspective. but it was very clear that he wanted this individual removed from his job simply because he was black. >> when you hear the president now say that he's not a racist and that is, quote, the least racist person, knowing him, having worked with him, do you believe that? >> well, i don't. and i do believe he's a racist. and further to the point, anderson, i believe anybody that has spent a substantial amount of time around him in a casual atmosphere, whether it's business or at dinner or at lunch, i believe it would be very difficult that he wouldn't express these feelings to them over time. i just find it very hard to believe that there aren't more people who know him that don't believe exactly what i believe, but for one reason for another, they're not willing to say it publicly, that he is a racist.

>> do you think he realizes he's a racist? do you think he knows it? >> well, listen, i think he's delusional, and so i think deep down in his mind, he wants to believe that he's not. but i believe that there is a pattern of conversation throughout his entire life where he has -- he has talked in racial stereotypes. i think he's also been denigrating toward women, and i think this is the way he believes deep down inside of himself. so, you know, does he believe it? i think at some level he has to know exactly what he is because he continues to present this image of himself. >> jack o'donnell, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. an important footnote. when the book first came out, he called him a disgruntled employee. then in a 1997 interview, he said o'donnell's recollections were, quote, probably true. two years later he denied it all. late last week after word got out about the president's racist

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last thursday, the day the president said what he said about haiti, i told you about the haiti that i know, the haiti i visited many times over the past 25 years, the place i've phamm fallen in love with, the place that's poor economically but rch in many other ways. i told you briefly about a little boy named monley that we reported on after the earthquake. monley lived for more than seven days buried under the collapsed house that killed his parents, surviving only on rain water. we happened to be at the hospital in port-au-prince when he was brought in, stunned but alive. here's part of our report that aired that week when we first saw monley. >> reporter: monley was brought to general hospital by his uncle, who says he found him in the rubble alive after nearly eight days. monley was covered in dust, weak, and limp. a doctor and a nurse quickly

gave him an iv. >> what's he saying? >> you want to drink some juice? you want to drink some juice? >> you can tell he's very dehydrated by his skin. >> because his skin doesn't bounce back? >> something called starvation ketosis so you have to be very careful. i'm sure he'd love some food right now but we can't give it to him. >> that was monley in 2010. this, i'm happy to say, is monley today. he's 13 now and not just surviving, but he's thriving with the help of the organization worldwide orphans and dr. jane erinson, he has been well cared for. as i said, his parents died, but he's living with relatives and two brkts, moises and kristofer. his favorite subjects in school are english and french, and he says he wants to be a doctor like the doctors who helped bring him back to life. monley and his brothers, his whole family, their strength, their humor, their determination, they are the haiti i know. the president is wrong about

haiti. the way this president described haiti and previously described haitians according to a report three weeks ago in "the new york times" is ignorant for a man who claims to be like really smart. it was not just racist. his comments were really dumb. what the president has said doesn't reflect poorly on haiti. it reflects poorly on him, on his intellect, on his experience or lack of it, and on what is in his heart. thanks very much for watching. time to hand it over to chris cuomo for "cuomo prime time." >> well said. appreciate it. we have a lot to get after tonight. mart nt luther king the iii has a message. congressman cedric richmond is on. we're going to ask whether he plans to boycott the state of the union. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." it has been 50 years since martin luther king jr. was assassinated, but his legacy, challe