cvs has significant sway with 9,700 stores, one of the largest sellers of beauty in the u.s. i think both of those pictures of that woman are beautiful. the left is little more realistic. why not go for realism? >> is that enough sway to convince these companies to have one marketing company? >> it may very well. thanks for joining us. >> "new day" starts right now. see you tomorrow. the threat of a government shutdown becoming more of a reality with each passing day. >> we will not fund the government without a daca deal. >> mr. president closed the deal. it's not going to be done on twitter. >> my biggest concerns that his remarks don't blow up the daca agreement. >> the reaction has been over the top. >> i don't know who said what. it's like a bunch of kids in the back of a mini van. >> host of trump campaign and

white house staffers set to testify this week as part of the russia investigation. >> bannon said that the heart of this case is money laundering, and i think they're going to want to know what does he mean by that? >> real question is whether the intelligence committee is willing to gather the information that we need to protect ourselves. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and allison cam rat toe. >> this is tuesday, january 16th. 6:00 a.m. in the new york. congress returns to a sobering reality. u.s. government may be headed to a shutdown on the one-year anniversary of donald trump presidency. making it less likely that lawmakers will reach a deal on spending and immigration in the next four days. president trump is blaming democratic senator dick durbin for misrepresenting those comments. durbin stands by his story on

the president's profane comments. he also says -- the president also accuses durbin of now trying to blow up this deal to protect hundreds of thousands of these so-called d.r.e.a.m.e.r.s. >> what happened inside this tense and arguably profane meeting between the president and lawmakers where the president certainly expressed a preference for people from norway over people from africa, south and central america. "the washington post" reports chief of staff john kelly convinced the president beforehand that the bipartisan plan was not good for him politically. so much for bring me a deal and i will sign it. also, it is a busy day in the russia investigation today. just hours, the president's former chief strategist steve bannon is going to be interviewed by congressional investigators but behind closed doors, this as former trump campaign officials paul manafort and rick gates are both facing criminal charges, as you know,

and they're both back in federal court today. we have it all covered. let's begin with cnn's abby phillip live at the white house. good to have you. >> good morning, chris. president trump is back in washington and congress is returning to work today with no deal over immigration and the government shutdown looming. making matters worse is the on going controversy over president trump's crude remarks in the oval office when he rejected a bipartisan immigration proposal, effectively sidelining an immigration deal. >> the prospect of a government shutdown growing increasingly likely, as a high-stakes game of chicken plays out on capitol hill over including a deal for d.r.e.a.m.e.r.s. >> we will not fund the government without a daca deal. >> i don't want to shut the government down. i think it would be a mistake if the democrats tried to force us to vote on amnesty, but if they do, i will vote no. >> reporter: republicans now focussing on passing another short-term funding measure to

keep the government open, but it is not clear they have the votes. the chair of the conservative house freedom caucus telling cnn on monday that it will be extremely difficult to convince our caucus members to vote on another short-term funding mechanism. democrats are demanding any spending bill include protection for d.r.e.a.m.e.r.s. >> if it was put on the floor of the house or the senate, it would get a majority vote in either one. >> reporter: weighing the political risks of shutting down the government, especially for democrats running for re-election in states that president trump won in 2016. >> we have to make sure this government runs and operates in a functional way. it takes all of us working as americans. >> reporter: president trump's disparaging comments about immigrants hardened democrats resolve, but a republican source says the president is not bothered by the controversy and continues to think his vulgar remarks could help him politically. still, president trump insists that senator dick durbin, quote,

misrepresented what was said at the oval office meeting when mr. trump reportedly questioned why the u.s. needs more haitians and called some african countries shitholes. >> i know what happened. >> reporter: lindsey graham, not denied durbin's account telling a south carolina newspaper that his memory hasn't evolved. >> the discourse right now is pretty low. we're producing some pretty good policy, but those of us in my business need to up their game is pretty embarrassing when you have to take your children out of the room just to report the news. >> reporter: white house officials focussing on semantics for their defense, saying tom cotton and david perdue heard him say shithouse than shithole. >> i am stunned that this is their defense. >> reporter: homeland security

secretary will testify before the house, the senate judiciary committee in just a few hours. she was in the oval office meeting and says she does not recall the president using that vulgar language. also in the meeting will be senators dick durbin and lindsey gram questioning her. as for a government shutdown, gop leadership is expected to meet with rank and file members to discuss this issue later tonight. >> that will be very interesting to see what comes out of that. thank you very much, abby. great to see both of you guys. >> good morning. >> i hate we're chicken little about government shutdown, oh my gosh, it might shut down. it's going to shut down on friday and always at the 11th hour literally like 11:59 p.m. they avoid it. what will happen this week? >> well, almost always. >> fair enough. >> there is a brink in the government and the government does occasionally go over it and it should be promoted as something as a real possibility

because there aren't thousands of people's livelihood depends on the government actually working. i think it's entirely possible it could happen. when we saw -- we have in some ways the same pieces in place when the last shutdown happened. democrats have a base they have to respond to as well. when republicans in response to their base shut down the government five years ago, well, here we are and democrats going into an election year. they have a very rested base. we'll see a bunch of people out in the streets when the anniversary of the inauguration comes around, they have to respond. people are very, very upset. some of the polling and some in special elections and some in the streets. folks who do not want to a democratic primary in their life this year are going to play hardball on this issue. >> john, this is the best the democrats have had it in terms of leverage since donald trump became president. he has to get 60 votes or there's not a reconciliation window, they won't be 50 plus 1.

daca is universally accepted as something to deal with by the american people. >> yeah. >> except with trump's slim base. they are the people who say they're all villains. they have to go. they're illegal aliens. outside of that, so they have the 60 vote. they have the popular sentiment about this. okay? >> uh-huh. >> and they know the president wants this very much. he does not want the d.r.e.a.m.e.r.s. to be thrown out on his watch. why would they go in quickly to a deal that allows donald trump to be a unifier and to get his wall? why would they do that deal? >> look, i think the prospect of trump being a unifier, that ship has sailed. >> even if they're all at the signing ceremony and shaking hands and he says i'm glad we could all come together to help these people? >> i'm glad we could meet the minimum standards of competence, congratulations, washington. the possibility of a shutdown on the one-year anniversary of president trump's inauguration

would be a perfect metaphor for how things have gone so far. as you point out, democrats have about as much leverage as you can get with unified republicans. >> as a minority part. >> republicans control the keys. will they negotiate in good faith? will the republicans try to push through a short-term spending deal? or will they try to use something like children's health insurance to sweeten the pot for democrats? you're right. no one wants the d.r.e.a.m.e.r.s. to get kicked out. this affects them. but every time we've seen washington when people assure us there's not going be a shutdown it's because that threat is real and they can't stop playing brinksmanship politics with people's lives. >> if the government shuts down, i understand they have a base to placate, who gets the blame this time? >> it will be interesting to see how it works out. there is going to be, i think, no way that trump avoids having this laid at his desk. he takes credit for everything in the world, right? he takes credit for the stock market, the weather, all kinds of good things that happen.

something bad happens on his watch and people step forward as democrats i'm sure would do and say, after what we heard from senator durbin, after those comments in the oval office, there's no way we could vote for this. >> and you hear how the president is already framing it. he's saying dick durbin doesn't want to help the military. the military needs funding. >> nobody will believe it because all the democrats -- >> what does that have to do with anything? >> it is true for the democrat's politics, there's no way i was going to vote for the wall. i'm not voting for the wall. we're not going to give him that victory. we're not going to start wasting taxpayer dollars on this thing. >> that was before that this shape shifter and chief -- look, trump has been successful with this. usually get killed in politics for compromising his principles. he started out with no bedrock principles so he's able to morph whatever way he wants. that wall disappeared into this metaphor conversation in the big meeting but so did his promise. you bring me a bill, i'll sign

it. now this reporting is that john kelly said this is bad for you. so he broke that promise. he said, no, i'm not going to take this proposal and he's not taking the heat. he's blaming durbin and the democrats. >> blaming durbin for a potential government shutdown is outright nuts. the idea that would impact the military -- the vast majority of the military would not be affected. reality check. the administration is pushing back. yes, that contradict's trump's promise. he doesn't have a great record of consistency when it comes to his comments. he has an overarching responsibility. we need to see more senators hold themselves higher standard than the president. right now that's a check on the president's worst instincts. and that's what we really need to start repairing to. >> in that televised meeting that chris is referring to, that was so interesting to watch how the sausage allegedly would be

made. he looked like he was close to comprehensive legislation reform. i think we're extremely close. >> a bill of love. >> a bill of love. >> he did. it always sounds like i'm making it up, but it's actually true. >> that's a great episode of the show. >> oh my gosh. so what now "the washington post" has this new reporting inside the contentious oval office meeting where the profanity about african nations were reportedly uttered. it turns out that dick durbin and lindsey graham called the president before they went over at noon and thought they had a deal. the president was quite recepti receptive. they went over excitedly somehow between the morning phone call and noon, yes, john kelly is the new reporting and stephen miller, one of the top advisers, hardlines conservative got to the president and they're like, you can't do this to your base. then they called over the most hardline on immigration other senators to try to stop it. and that's what was happening.

>> so much of the reporting has been consistent up to and including michael wolff book, the last person in the room with donald trump has the upper hand. he doesn't have a lot of core beliefs so he can be persuaded. you're persuading him in your base, the people who got you elected, they're not going to like this. these swing voters in pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin will not like this. he will listen to his gut, another one of his sort of key advisers himself and he goes in that direction. he almost never strays from that. and it's unfortunate actually because when you've got all of the different pieces that he's got in play here, that's when presidential leadership comes in. that's when it's you in the oval office, you and your bible, you and your conscious, you and your vision. that's when you're supposed to sort of figure things out. not the last person who talked. >> it's a little different this time as a dynamic and as much as ordinarily when the government shuts down, we start doing these stories about these relief checks aren't going out. these disability checks aren't

going out, but there's an understanding that everything will become retroactive. this time if daca goes sideways this story we saw with hjorge garcia, this family in detroit, michigan, this guy got deported in front of his family on mlk day after being here 30 years. he was brought here by his parents at 10 years old. he missed daca protection by one year. he was married as happens with so many of them. they get stuck in the system on the road to deportation, even the marriage couldn't save him. they had gotten extensions. he has two teenage kids. he has a wife. he's a taxpayer. he doesn't have a traffic ticket. he's back in mexico and will be banned for ten years. it's a great story to demonstrate the point but it is a death sentence politically to watch these people being marched out of the country. >> all you need is one in every swing district and there is at

least one story like that in every swing district that could tilt the election in the fall. >> that's the importance of thinking about this beyond the political cost, this is people's lives hanging in the balance as well as american values. there's a greater consequence to this shutdown simply one loss ledger or questions of simple competence. there are real lives hanging in t balance come friday. >> it will be interesting to see if the president jumps on that story and family and uses it as a catalyst to get it done. >> thank you very much. so three former and current trump confidants set to testify in congressional investigations on russia. but, democrats are questioning how serious the republicans are about getting to the truth. remember, they're not meeting with the mueller folks. they're meeting with the house. the truth next. >> announcer: "new day" brought to you by --

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hearings to provide information we didn't have before, going all the way back to my fifth grade class and watching watergate unfold, it was one of the congressional testimonies somebody said in passing there's this whole taping system in the oval office. oh, oh, really? it wasn't the congressional committee that really sort of took it and ran with it. it's the interplay of the media, of the special prosecutor and the congressional committees and public opinion that sort of puts all of the pieces together. so, we might get some pieces here. we may not understand the full importance of those pieces until later, but certainly everybody on the mueller team will be watching this very closely and they are the single most important audience for what happens. >> that's really interesting. it would have to be leaked. >> the key difference is when butterfield lets the white house taping system goes, that's sam irvin, it's a national event, it's barbara jordan. these are closed doors and republican house committee. what information leaks. but if this is a parade of trump

officials, this is not a particularly fun parade. this is high risk. today is steve bannon. now you have an aide who was kicked to the curb, not only fired from the house, cut off by his benefactors, fired from his job. he has a lot of information. then there's hope hicks, does not speak publicly a ton. a lot of access to information and corey lewandowski, bring it on, i have nothing to hide. but bannon is particularly bad stakes. there's a lot of bad blood. >> truth about what? what was he there for? i know that he was there -- >> unpatriotic. >> we don't know he was particularly close to anyone who would have confided to him. >> we know he's not close to jared kushner. >> he had every motivation to talk smack. in terms of knowing things versus having an opinion, that's a meaningful distinction when

you sit with a bunch of fact finders. >> in other words, he doesn't have to understand the full importance of anything that he says as far as a tick-tok, a timeline, a phone call, an e-mail, a mood that was in president of the campaign on any given day. that's for the prosecutors, for the mueller team to sort of figure out what all of it means. here again, you don't want somebody like him sort of talking freely even behind closed doors under oath about what he knows because this stuff could potentially be explosive. >> do we think the house intel committee with chairman devin nunes will do the right thing? >> that's the problem. the congressional committees have been hie jacked by hacks. the mueller investigation is the purest, the most independent. yeah, that will be a question. if they're testifying before the house committee, republican controlled, is it really just an extended flattery session?

>> they'll get up there. they all have the same amount of time. >> but let's see if first of all what information comes out. and how it feeds into the mueller investigation. that's the really key finding. >> okay. it's breakfast time. i wish we had some fruit because i do consider star bursts a fruit group. >> catsup is a vegetable and starbursts are a fruit. so the president apparently loves the pink and red starbursts. >> only. >> only. >> he prefers those to starbursts from central and south america and africa. >> wow. >> so, congressman kevin mccarthy went to the trouble of buying a bunch of starbursts and doing sort of a homemade craft project. >> don't forget your tax dollars at work. >> he got his staff to buy a bunch of starbursts. some poor dude's was to sort through and take out everything except pink and red. >> kevin mccarthy, his staff

went through and took out all those nasty yellow and orange ones. >> you know what, they're really good. the orange, what's wrong with the orange ones? >> this is like spinal tap's writers, only green m&ms. >> he figured out the way to the president's heart, starbursts. and he sent over a jar with his name, his own name, kevin mccarthy, on the side so when the president reaches for one can remember. guess what, it's working. he and kevin mccarthy do seem to have a bromance right now. >> so what it's worth we are told that there are more in this bowl than there were in kevin mccarthy's and we're going to leave them right here for anybody who wants to come on this show and talk about what matters to the american people. there's a full bowl. >> is our bowl bigger than kevin mccarthy's? >> and it works. >> you can wash it down with

diet coke. >> that sounds so good for you. >> seriously, he and kevin mccarthy do seem to have struck up a nice friendship. whether this was the origin of it, the starbursts, they are listening to each other and defending -- >> this is high-level politics. >> yes. they're waiting right here. >> so delicious. >> thank you, gentleman. >> they say nobody gets along in government. this is all you need. just some empty calories. >> be sure to watch tonight we'll do our prime time show about what the state of play is. we have chris collins coming in. the first guy in congress to back him as president. what does he think is going to happen. now to this shocking story. 13 brothers and sisters held captive in their own home. some of them bound with padlocks and chains. the two suspects, the parents, are now in police custody. we have all the details ahead.

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california couple is under arrest, charged with holding their own 13 children captive. officers say they were called to the house by one of the 17-year-old girls who managed to escape and call 911 from a cell phone. police say some of the victims -- well, look at them here on your screen. they range in age from 2 years old to 29 years old. and some were shackled to beds with padlocks. they were kept in dark, filthy conditions. david and louis terpin are facing child endangerment charges and torture. >> they had thing numbers all the way up to the number of kids. any way, see that. that's the picture i was talking about. another story for you, simone biles now adding her name to the list of women who say they were sexually abused by

former usa gymnastics team dr. larry nasser. biles saying she now realizes it wasn't her fault. instead, blaming nasser and usa gymnastics. she has to continually return to the facility where the abuse happened as she trains for tokyo in 2020. biles is one of more than 130 women and the third member of the 2016 final five team to accuse nasser of abuse. we're following breaking news for you on the heels of hawaii's false alarm, japan's national broadcaster nhk is apologizing for a text alert reporting that north korea had launched another missile. the original message read -- north korea likely to have launched missile evacuate inside the building or under ground. this error was cleared up within minutes. right now we do not know what prompted that false alarm. i mean, everyone is in just a state of heightened anxiety

that -- i mean, these alerts are going out. it's not helping. and they're totally believable because of everything that's happening in north korea and we don't know why they're falsely alerti alerting. >> well, the timing is terrible. look, mistakes happen. humans make mistakes. this is a media agency, not a government agency, so it's a different scenario, but the cost of anxiety. did you see what happened in hawaii? can you imagine for 30 minutes -- that's a long time, right? you think a missile is coming and your home, your family may be gone. so you have to get it right. we'll stay on it and figure out what happened. growing international fallout in the wake of president trump's vulgar comments about immigrants, drawing condemnation from leaders around the world. this is now becoming a chore for u.s. diplomats. how are they responding? how are they being told to respond? we have a former u.s. ambassador next. ♪ ) ♪ one is the only number

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the new u.s. embassy in london opening to the public today, just days after president trump cancelled his plans to attend a ribbon cutting at the

unveiling. mr. trump called the embassy move a bad deal by president obama even though that decision was made by president george w. bush in 2008. erin mclaughlin is live in london with more for us. erin, what have you learned? >> reporter: that's right, alisyn. woody johnson was in the awkward position of having to defend this new billion-dollar embassy behind me. he wrote an op-ed in which he said it's bigger and better than the old site, it's more environmentally friendly and more secure. and it didn't cost the u.s. taxpayer a single penny. that the money used to construct the site was pulled from the sale of other london properties. mean while, british politicians, critics of president trump seizing on the opportunity to call him out saying that this wasn't about the deal, that this was, in fact, about his lack of popularity in the uk and the

possibility of mass protests. meanwhile here at the embassy, the doors have opened to the general public with very little fanfare. there is expected to be an official opening ceremony, though the date for that has yet to be set. chris? >> erin, appreciate it. thank you very much. other news, international fallout continues from president trump's use of a vulgar term to describe black and brown immigrants from impoverished countries. joining us now ambassador thomas pickering, former u.s. ambassador to the u.n., russia and india. always good to see you, sir. >> good morning, chris. thank you. >> so, let's make the case here. the white house is saying this isn't a big deal, this was misrepresented as a meeting and people should know that the president of the united states just wants to make sure that merit-based policy is what leads our immigration policy, not just simply what country you're from. is it that much of a no-big deal around the world? >> of course not, chris.

two questions here -- did it happen? and i think if senator durbin and senator lindsey graham agree, from my experience with them it really happened. the white house put out an announcement early on that seemed to the fact, in fact, the terms of the state and the vulgar statement. was that vulgar statement in u.s. interest and has the white house been able to shape the question in a way that has reduced the reaction? quite the contrary. i think if i were there out on the point being asked that question, i would do what every american diplomat does under those circumstances, i would say mr. president, you've just raised this question with me. i'm referring it back to the state department for their official answer. and we'll wait and see, of course, what they have to say. but it is quite clear that there is no explicable reason for why this happened, the notion that one changed the nature of the

statement is not reducing the negative impact. the six countries that complained to the united states are only the spear point. all countries that, in fact, were nonwhite have been affected in a serious way by what is clearly not just a diplomatic gaffe but what looks like a racist studied insult. and in that regard, i think we have a lot to do and a lot to go for. i was ambassador both in nigeria and el salvador. from my personal experience in both of those countries, i can tell you they are outraged. >> and what does that mean in terms of what it can lead to? how big a deal could this be? or is it just hurt feelings and the diplomats have to smooth it over and say the president didn't mean it? >> chris, our vital interests are at stake here. our friends around the world -- there's been no unipoller moment are always important in bringing forth diplomatic solutions and dealing with terror threats and

other kinds of things. nigeria in particular where boko haram has obviously played havoc in the northern part of the country and we are deeply engaged in helping the nigerians with the problem. el salvador, gun violence runs problem is a problem. but beyond that, the whole range of questions that we have to deal with on the international scene are effected by how our president describes our relationships and our attitude toward their countries. he speaks not just for himself but the whole united states. in this regard, hopefully our friends will know and understand that we are not a racist country. that we are struggling with this deep problem. that we haven't got a final, clear, obviously perfect answer to that problem. but that struggle goes on despite what the president has said of an insulting character to developing countries and

countries that are clearly not white dominated. >> the white house differs with your assessment in as much as they say this is strength on display. this is tough talk that he used when he was discussing immigration. and that is what is improving america's standing that is seen around the world as strong, don't mess with the u.s., this president is someone to be respected. >> i've dealt, chris, with diplomacy for almost 60 years. i cannot believe that someone can take something as insulting and as racist as what was said and turn that into a positive factor. it may appeal to some of the base here in america. we understand that. but it certainly cannot and will not in any way at all convince anybody that we have a country here that is going to be a leader in the international community and something that, in fact, will solve problems rather than create them. at the moment, we're in the problem creation mode unfortunately. and that has had a very dill

tears you impact on our international standing and on our capacity the deliver as the leader of the free world. >> how do some of the other major populous movements that we've seen breaking out through europe and eastern europe play into your assessment, ambassador. because you could make the case that donald trump isn't the only one to be looking with a jaundiced eye at immigrants. we see that fanning out, as i said, over a lot of europe and eastern europe. couldn't he find kindred spirits there. >> no country is perfect and he has with le pen in france and the german right wing anti-refugee movements. we've seen it in the turmoil in the eastern european union, but in a sense adding fuel to the flames is not the way to answer a problem that goes to the central question of humanity. we are all people. we are all born equal.

we all have the same outlooks, desires and goals. the notion that we should separate people by race and insult them is not the way in which this country was founded. it's not part of our long traditional heritage. and it's not something that we should use to appeal to other pure yan groups around the world. >> a point that comes and carries even more weight a day after we remember martin luther king and of course his message that the basic truth of humanity is equality. >> chris, that couldn't be more striking and it's an observation that we all noticed yesterday as, in fact, we contrast what had the president read about martin luther king with what clearly he said in the meeting with durbin, graham and the others. >> ambassador, always a pleasure. thank you for your perspective, it matters. >> thank you, chris. another winter storm could make a mess of your commute today. what areas will get hit? jennifer gray has our forecast next.

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snow, sleet, freezing rain will be sweeping through the northeast and south today. dangerous travel conditions even expected as far south as texas. cnn meteorologist jennifer gray has your forecast. explain this anomaly. >> i know. i feel like this is the year of snow in the south. we've had a couple of these winter storms come through that have actually given the southern states a taste of winter. you can see snow in dallas, and shreveport, that doesn't happen very often. then even some freezing rain and sleet as far south as san antonio and houston. so, keep in mind, travel is going to be tough in some of these airports as we go through the day today, but this snow stretches all the way up to new england. you can see that with very, very cold air behind it. i don't think the snow is going to get to new york city and boston until mainly tonight through tomorrow morning, but we could see 3 to 5 inches in new york and 4 to 6 in boston. so this is no joke here, over 100 million people with some

sort of winter advisory. so the future radar pushing it through even northern georgia getting some of that snow as we go through the next 24 hours and even portions of north carolina. so alisyn, yes, everyone is getting a taste of this winter storm. >> we will bundle up, but luckily we never took off our parka. thank you very much for that, jennifer. the u.s. and canada are hosting an international summit in vancouver on the north korean nuclear threat. this is expected to focus on diplomatic efforts to denucle denuclearize. >> sad news in the world of music. we mourning the death of deloris o' riordan. the lead singer of the cranberries. ♪ do you have to let it linger

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♪ former republican nominee mitt romney calls president trump's reported profane comments about mmigrants antithet kal to american values. this comes as "the new york

times" reports that romney recently texted a friend saying he will be running for the open senate seat in utah to replace orrin hatch. good morning, kevin. >> good morning. >> is mitt romney running? >> i think he very much is. i don't have any inside information or anything to break for you. i was not the receiver of that text, but i do think that if a rumor like this got out and mitt romney wanted to stop it, he could have. so since he hasn't, i think he's leaning towards running. >> mitt romney sent a text -- the story goes, to his friend who then showed it or read it, i guess, to the governor of utah and i will quote it directly from romney, it sid i'm running. so that sounds unequivocal. >> that's very close to an official announcement and not the way we used to do it back in romney world. >> let's talk about this.

obviously mitt romney knows the highs and lows of politics. why is he getting back into this racket? >> well, i think he really does believe that he has something to offer to the national debate, particularly with the issues that we're dealing with now days in american politics. >> and those issues -- >> national security. >> is it issues or is this somehow a comment on president trump's leadership? >> well, i think it's both. i think it is the fact that we have national security foreign policy on the front burner that are very important, also the economy and how we transition to a new economy but also the fact that there are a bunch of people out there who do feel like we need a principled leadership and a principled defense of american leadership. one of the differences i expect that governor romney would have with president trump is this idea that you can say anything, do anything and walk it back. and it doesn't send a message to the globe about our position or

who we are. and i think the governor would be somebody who would stand in principled opposition to those that believe that american leadership is about america first and america only. we do have a special role to play in a very complex world. >> i want to ask you about that because if you're saying that he would be running in order to sort of speak truth to power in his own version of standing for his convictions, it doesn't seem to go that well for the lawmakers who are trying that. they retire. and the people who end up getting deals, it seems with the president or at least currying favor with him, seem to last longer. and so, how would you thread that needle? >> well, i think first of all governor romney is not a career politician. he made his life in business and before he became elected official. and i think that one of the things he really -- he would be uninterested in worrying about ree-electi

re-election. he would be more interested in talking about the issues and delivering the messages to the american people about the importance of those issues and the importance of principled leadership. so, i think he would be unencumbered in a very different way than some of those folks who may have decided to retire, he would be unencumbered by some of those political calculations. >> in terms of perhaps having to flatter the president in order to get a deal done, can you imagine governor romney ever saying what senator diane black said during -- after the tax deal, thank you, for allowing us to have you as our president? >> no. you know, having known governor romney long enough, i don't think he's a sup la kant. he is much more interested in speaking truth to power. i do believe there are going to be areas where governor romney may agree with president trump. for example, if you look at the most recent debate that we've

had on tax reform. i expect that would have been a bill because it lowers rates and because it makes america more competitive around the world that he would have voted for. so there will be areas of agreement. it shouldn't be -- we shouldn't simplistically look at it as friend or foe. the governor will talk about issues that he cares about. he'll be a principled leader and he's going to confront i think forces that he thinks are taking the country or even the republican party in the wrong direction. but on areas where he agrees, he'll stand up and do the right thing on issues like those as well. >> very quickly in our final seconds here, yesterday mitt romney seemed to disagree with the president. i'll just read this tweet quickly. the poverty of an aspiring immigrants nation of origin is as irrelevant as their race. sentiment attributed to podus is inconsistent with america's history and antithet kal. my our memory of dr. king buoy our hope for unity, greatness

and charity for all. >> you have to remember how much of an influence governor romney's father had on him and governor romney's father when he was director of the housing and urban development cared very deeply about the martin luther king legacy. in speaking to that, he wanted to elevate that. but also he has a great deal of faith in what he believes is the american experiment. and speaking to all those people around the globe who see america as a shiny beacon of hope, those are principles he believes very strongly and will always speak quickly or forcefully about. >> i'm making you speak quickly. for that i apologize. kevin madden, thanks very much. >> thanks to our international viewers. "new day" continues right now. i don't want want to shut the government down. i think it would be a mistake if the democrats tried to force us to vote on amnesty. >> there are comprom