hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. wherever you're watching around the world, thank you very much. sources tell cnn the president is not backing away from his vulgar meeting despite the anger and outrage erupting around the country, indeed around the world. in just minutes the democrat who first accused him speaks out here on cnn. also as the government gets closer and closer to potentially shutting down with no d.r.e.a.m.er deal in sight, both sides try not to blink first in

this high stakes game of chicken. words of subpoena for his former chief strategist. mueller calling bannon's name after bannon's explosive comments in the book "fire and fury." let's start with no apologies from the president or the white house over the president's rather salty language from his oval office meeting on immigration. we did hear another insider's account of what was said when the homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen was drilled in a senate hearing. senator dick durbin was also in the oval office meeting with the president. >> how did he characterize those countries in africa? >> i don't specifically remember a categorization of countries in africa. >> you said on fox news that the president used strong language. what was that strong language? >> let's see, strong language, there was -- apologies.

i don't remember a specific word. what i was struck with, frankly, as i'm sure you were as well, was just the general profanity that was used in the room by almost everyone. >> did you hear me use profanity? >> no, sir. neither did i. >> did you hear senator graham use profanity? >> i did hear tough language from senator graham, yes, sir. >> the president ran hot. i think i know why. something happened between tuesday and thursday, and we'll get to the bottom of that. and quite frankly, i got pretty passionate and i ran a little hot, too. somebody needs to fix this problem. obama couldn't do it, bush couldn't do it, and both of them, to their great credit, tried. do you think president trump can do this? >> i think he wants to do it, yes, sir. >> our chief white house correspondent jim acosta is over at the white house. jim, we've heard conflicting

stories. denial, denial, denial. where does this stand now? >> the president was meeting with the president of kaz aakhsn in the last hour or so. they were exchanging words, as you so often see with the president and a head of state here at the white house. and at the end of their remarks, at the conclusion of their remarks, we tried to ask the president about this controversy over his describing countries from africa and haiti as shithole countries, and we also asked the president about a remark that was relayed to reporters that he said he wanted more people to come in from place like norway. i asked the question about that, and here's what the president had to say in response to that. >> mr. president, did you say you want more people to come in from norway? did you say that you wanted more people to come in from norway? is that true, mr. president? >> i want them to come in from everywhere. everywhere. thank you so much, everybody. >> caucasian or white countries, sir, or do you want people to

come in from other parts of the world where there are people of color? >> jim, thank you. >> i'm not sure if you can hear the end of that there, wolf, but as i tried to ask whether he wanted more people to come in just from white or caucasian countries, he said, out. he pointed to me and said, out, as in get out of the oval office. after that we went into the r e roosevelt room inside the white house where he and president kazakhstan made some remarks between the two countries, and at the conclusion of those remarks, we attempted to ask the president more questions about this controversy, and it was at that point, wolf, i have to under li underline i've never encountered anything like this at the white house, the deputy press secretary hogan giggly got right up in my face and started shouting so loudly that it was impossible for the president to hear our questions or even see that we were trying to ask

questions. it was that kind of a display. it reminded me of something you might see in less democratic countries when people at the white house or officials of a foreign government attempt to get in the way of the press in doing their jobs. but essentially that is what just happened a few moments ago here. they were so determined to block us from asking questions that they got right up in our face and started shouting, no questions, no questions so the president could make an exit from the roosevelt room without taking any questions, wolf. >> we definitely heard what you tried to do with that follow-up question with the president. we definitely heard the follow-up question and we then heard the president look at you and point and said, out, as if get out of the oval office. you're a member of the press pool. that's your job to go in there, listen to what the president has to say, listen to what the visiting president of kazakhstan has to say. i was a white house reporter for seven years. reporters always follow up with

questions. that's our job. they don't want to answer the questions, they don't have to answer the questions. our job is to ask the questions, but clearly the president was once again irritated at you, jim acosta. thanks very much for standing by for the white house press briefing later this afternoon. meanwhile, the illinois senator dick durbin has come under fire over his recollection of the meeting specifics. the senator sat down with our own jake tapper to talk about what exactly happened during that very, very tense oval office meeting. >> senator durbin, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> happy to be here. >> there was much back and forth over exactly what was said? can you clear it for us? what did the president say? what did you hear him say? >> he said many things. it went on for probably half an hour. the most outrageous comment, obviously, is in reference to countries overseas that might send immigrants to the united states and the president used the vulgar term which has been repeated over and over again. but it was a long, far-ranging

meeting about immigration in general. negative things were said about haitians coming to the united states. the president was talking -- i think this is a tell, if you will. we need more people from norway, he said. norway? they don't even take refugees in norway, he said. i just met with a norwegian prime minister. we need more europeans. it was pretty clear to me what the president's message was in that meeting. >> just to clear it up, when he said, s-hole countries, he's referring to africa? >> yes. >> now, senators cotton and perdue have challenged the notion that he said s-hole. and i believe there is some reporting out there that white house officials say that perdue and cotton think he said s-house countries as opposed to s-hole countries. >> let me say they're wrong. i could tell you explicitly they're wrong. and let me also say, is that their defense? that s-house is acceptable, s-hole he would never say?

come on. to think that the president of the united states would refer to any country on earth as an s-house country, for goodness sakes, what does that say? >> so those senators have had some things to say about you and your memory. i just want to read them to you and give you an opportunity to respond. pe rerks erk perdue said, i'm telling you he did not say those words and that is a gross misrepresentation. cotton said, senator durbin has a history of misrepresenting what happens in white house meetings so perhaps we shouldn't be surprised by that. i was sitting farther away than dick durbin was and i know those comments are incorrect. >> policies aren't beanbag. i expect harsh critics on both sides. it's fine. it's expected with the territory. i stand by every word i said.

senator wer -- perdue should remember a word like that when it comes from the president of the united states. >> what do you think about them leaning on the fact they heard him say s-house rather than s-hole? >> this is the defense? instead of s-hole, it was s-house? that's the best they can come up with? it really tells a story. this was a horrible moment in the history of our country and in the history of the oval office and the white house. and they should, i think, honor that responsibility they have as public officials to tell the truth. >> now, there were other people in the room that day and they have either not commented, such as congressman diaz ballard and some others, or they have said they don't recall, like secretary nielsen of the home land department of security. lindsey graham was there, and in my understanding of the

reporting, he was upset as well. he said in a statement, without going into what he heard the president say, i said my piece to the president after his comment. did he say something to president trump? >> it was an extraordinary moment. after the president made these outrageous statements with these vulgarities, i was sitting to the left of lindsey. lindsey was sitting closer to the president than we're sitting. he turned to him and addressed that directly. directly in what i thought was one of the best statements about immigration policy in america i've ever heard. he explicitly repeated that vulgarity so it was clear why he was exercised and why he was making that statement. i've told him since and i want to say this publicly. i respect him so much for speaking out. i think it had added importance that a member of the president's own party would be that explicit standing up for what i think a value most americans have to share. >> what did he say? >> he basically went through it. he said, let me tell you, mr.

president, america is not about where you came from. it's an ideal and people come here aspiring to be part of america's future. and he said, my family was from one of those s-hole countries. he used the word himself. he said, they came here with limited training, limited experience. they made a life. they started a business, and they gave me a chance. that's what america is all about. it was really an extraordinary moment, and i was so heartened that a president's -- a member of the president's own political party would be that explicit in his face right there at that moment. >> you know, you and i have talked before, and i know that the memory of when the irish and irish catholics were considered lesser that that's something that you feel in your bones when you think about modern immigrants. >> i certainly do, and i'll add my mother is an immigrant. she passed away now when i was first elected to the senate. she was brought to the united states from lithuania at the age

of two. i don't know if she would have fit the president's european category because she was a white girl being brought to the united states, but for goodness sakes, we came here with nothing. our family had nothing. my grandmother didn't speak english. and they came to this country and struggled to make a life. here i sit today, the son of an immigrant in those circumstances as senator from the state of illinois. that's my story, that's my family's story, but that's america's story. >> so president trump has had a lot to say in response. he said he didn't make the comment, he isn't a racist. but i wonder, based on what the president said in that oval office meeting and based on other things he has said about judge curiel not being able to do his job because of his heritage. he called him a mexican. i pointed out he's from indiana but he called him a mexican. based on his assertion that there are very fine people on both sides of the rallies in

charlottesville, do you think the president is a racist? >> i'm not going to say that. i will tell you comments he made when i was in the white house were vile, racial-filled and hatred in tone. you can't talk about s-hole countries in africa and why don't we get more norwegians and europeans in the united states without the inescapable conclusion that the president is raising race as an issue for immigration. >> we'll have more of jake's interview with senator durbin, that's coming up. why some lawmakers are saying a federal shutdown here is growing more and more likely. plus, breaking news. the "new york times" reports that special counsel robert mueller is issuing a subpoena for steve bannon, the first known grand jury subpoena for a member, or at least a former member, of the president's inner circle. we'll be right back. do you want $4.95 commissions for stocks, $0.50 options contracts? $1.50 futures contracts?

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said, wii doe've done it. we met your criteria. we have a bill, and then to be called in to say we've been sandbagged. general kelly and steve miller, as i understand it, invited five other members of congress who are not in favor of immigration reform, or are are in a very harsh sense, and we were there to refute any assertions we made that this was a good policy. so you ask me where we are today, i'll tell you where we are. we're finding more republicans are willing to step up now, distancing themselves from those outrageous comments by the president. and really, i hope join us in a bipartisan effort to solve this problem. >> what do you think of the nickname dicky durbin? >> i guess it's something i should wear with honor. he's said a lot of negative things about a lot of people, and like i said earlier, this is not an easy business. it's not beanbagged, it's a tough business, and if the president wants to rants at me,

his business. >> what do you think of the argument that you violated the trust of those in the room that day and that there can be no trust if people in the room then go out and talk publicly about what was said in the room? >> i didn't take an oath of secrecy when i walked into the white house at all. no one did. and there came a moment when the president denied the next morning that he said these things that i felt duty bound to speak. what the president said was outrageous. i don't believe it represents the views of america, i don't believe it represents the views of either political party. the american people have a right to know. the president made a campaign promise, he made all sorts of things about immigration, always based on the security of the united states, losing american jobs. let me tell you, neither of those topics came up in that white house meeting. we talked about the color of the skin of the people coming to the united states. >> when the president called you and invited you to the oval

office to talk about the meeting, you and senator graham, did you think you were going to cut a deal? >> i hoped so. i called him at the end of our meeting on tuesday. he turned to me and said, call me. i thought, really? so came thursday when we had an agreement, 10:00 in the morning, i called him. and he called back immediately. i was kind of surprised. and he said, good, good, let's get going. i'm not going to let them slow-walk this. so lindsey is coming down to explain it. yes, i understand. so within a few minutes, i was invited to join lindsey. by 12:00, the same morning, we were there to make that explanation and in came five critics of immigration reform invited by the white house staff. >> do you think your compromised bill, the gang of six, you, senator graham, two democrats, two republicans, do you think it could pass the senate? >> yes. >> do you think it could get a sizeable republican vote? >> enough. if we're talking about 60 votes, i think we can reach that goal. and let me add, it's the only

proposal. the only bipartisan proposal. we've been working at this for four months, seriously working at it. give and take. there are parts of it i hate, but that's the nature of a compromise. and we've done it. we put it together. six of us have signed off. there is real interest on the republican side and on the democratic side. and if senator mcconnell wants to solve this problem, i hope that he does, he'll give us a vote this week. >> the parts that you hate, what are they? >> well, i can tell you that i think that when it comes to family unification, there are some painful suggestions. >> reducing the number of immigrants that come here for family unification, so-called chain migration, and improving the decisions that are based on skills. >> this is a nation of families. to think that some of these immigrants would at some future date like to bring in a critical member of their family, whether it's a parent or if it's an adult child, to me that is

making that family stronger and giving them a better chance to succeed in america. we restrict that. i wish we didn't, but we do. in deference to republicans who have their own political concerns. we're trying to find enough balance here to move forward. >> there is a government funding bill this week. will democrats vote for it if it does not include some sort of solution for daca or the d.r.e.a.m.ers? >> i can tell you i'm going to work every single day until friday, which is the deadline, to get this done on a bipartisan basis. and we can do it. we can do it. but senator mcconnell has to cooperate and help us. he is in charge, he decides the agenda. i hope that he doesn't put us in a position where members say, i can't vote for this. he, mcconnell, can lead us into a bipartisan conclusion that will be the best thing for this country. >> can a deal be done with the president who has said what he said and with whom you had this very public back and forth? >> yes. if enough republicans will step up and say, we do not subscribe

to these views as expressed last week, we see a different america and we're willing to show it with our votes, yes, we can do it. >> you've seen a lot of misrepresentations of fact come from the white house about any number of issues. but here's one that you were actually a witness to. what is your feeling about the support for truth and the willingness of your colleagues to step up and acknowledge truth given your firsthand witnessing to what the president said? >> you know, i said afterwards, i wonder if in the history of the oval office there's ever been anything said like that, the statement made by president trump last week. someone took me to task in the "new york times" over the weekend and went through jefferson owning slaves -- >> 12 presidents had slaves. >> and liberia to send

african-americans to nations, on and on. but i will tell you this. i believe that we can salvage from this something positive. despite the president's denunciation of me and despite the fact he said he didn't utter these words, those of us in the room know better. i think we have to speak out on behalf of this country in what our values are and what we want them to be for future generations. >> what is the path forward for daca, for deferred action for childhood arrivals? >> we can meet the president's challenge of last september 5th more than four months ago. he said congress can pass a law. we can do it. we have a bipartisan measure that moves in the right direction and protects those eligible for daca. that to me is the right thing to do. i've been at this for 17 years. 17 years the first time i introduced the d.r.e.a.m. act

that long ago. there are hundreds of thousands of lives hanging in the balance. it shouldn't be a matter of political pride or hubris that stops us from doing the right thing for these people and their families. that's why i believe enough republicans can join us to make this a reality. >> have you heard from anybody from haiti or from africa about what the president said? >> it's interesting, chicago is a big city. a lot of people and a lot of immigrants. and it's interesting how many have come up to me. they usually say hey, durbin, how you doing? that's the most they usually get. but they stop me now and put a hand on my shoulder and say, do the right thing. they know what's at stake now. the future of america and the future of their families, they're good people, they're hard-working people. they're doing the best they can for their families and this country. i want to be there for them. >> very powerful words from senator durbin. joining us now are cnn politics senior writer wanda summers, senior public editor chris

cillizza and senior analyst. this has been a strange day, the discussion he had with the secretary of homeland security, lindsey graham's exchange with her, very powerful. we're learning a lot more about this extraordinary meeting that occurred at the white house. >> what we seem to be learning from both senator graham and senator durbin is that they thought things were going along swimmingly, and then they get to the white house for this meeting and it's clear that they feel that there was some kind of a setup there, and then suddenly anti-immigration reform the way they wanted folks were rushed in at the last minute of a white house meeting. as graham said to journalists, i want to know what the difference was between the tuesday trump and the thursday trump. and they clearly believe that the white house chief of staff, general kelly, and that perhaps

steven miller, a white house aide who has been very vocal about immigration reform, didn't like the compromise they were coming up with and kind of wanted to stop it in its tracks. and you saw today how upset lindsey graham was and how upset dick durbin is because these are people who have been working on this issue for more than a decade, and they felt that the president, after the meeting earlier in the week, said, look, i'll take the heat. i'm going to get this done. and lindsey graham said to him, you have to close the deal, mr. president. they were heading to the white house to close a deal. a deal that just didn't happen. >> and all of a sudden when they got to the white house, they were stunned to see some really hardliners, anti-comprehensive immigration reform types, including senator perdue. i'm looking at the list, senator cotton, they hated this

bipartisan deal that senator lindsey graham had worked out with dick durbin and others. >> they clearly won in the last minute there and they kiboshed this at the last minute. i think the reason they're still upset is because for a president they struggled with, sometimes struggled to get along with, it looked like this was going to happen. dick durbin called him after talking to the president thursday morning and said, this is the best conversation i had with the president, let's go up there and get it done. you mentioned senators cotton and perdue. i kind of feel like we need to hear a little bit more from them, because their story at this point is the one that doesn't jibe. they were both in the room. they both first put out a joint statement saying, we don't recall exactly what term was used. okay. that's sort of where kirstjen nielsen is. but on the sunday talk shows, they both went further. i believe perdue said it was a gross characterization or

misrepresentation, what dick durbin was saying about what donald trump said. okay, well, so one of these two groups is not telling the truth. either he said it like dick durbin and lindsey graham acknowledge, or he didn't say it like sort of the president acknowledges what tom cotton and david perdue said. you heard dick durbin talk about trust with the president, and lindsey graham talked about it. we need certainty. i don't know how you get it when the very root of the story remains in dispute. >> both lindsey graham and senator durbin, they both made the point that earlier in the week in that meeting that the president had with bipartisan members, 55 minutes of which were seen on television, that the president specifically said bring me a compromise, bring me a bipartisan deal. i will support it, i will take the heat, don't worry about it, just bring me the deal. so that's what they did, they brought him the deal and he rejected it, he wasn't willing,

apparently, to take the heat from some of these republicans who showed up at that meeting hating that compromise. >> absolutely, and i think this whole flap that we're seeing right now, wolf, over the comments that the president made during that meeting is certainly going to make this finding compromise even harder both on daca and so many of these other issues. so many congressional democrats have said, you know, we're not willing to sign for anything that doesn't do something for these 700,000 young people who came to this country as young people illegally, that they're not willing to sign anything else. the comments the president made in the last seven hours will make those congressmen dig their heels and make it more likely we'll see a government shutdown on friday night. >> so much was about trust, whether it was trust between the two parties, chambers and congress and the white house, that if you said something was going to happen, generally it

would get done. i just don't know how that preserves in an era of donald trump. >> hold on, just one quick thought. make your quick thought. >> i want to say it's all these people trying to manipulate the president, which is what's so interesting. didn't the president know what was in the graham/durbin deal? and did people in the white house try to explain to him how bad it was vis-a-vis what he actually believes or campaigns on and try to pull him back from the precipice, or is this a president that has his own beliefs? that's really the question here because there is a tug-of-war for his heart and mind, and we don't know what's really in his heart and mind on this. >> clearly lindsey graham and senator durbin, both senators feel be tratrayed by the presids remarks early in the week as opposed to what happened in the subsequent week in the oval office. i will say this, based on what

we heard from senator graham and dick durbin today, both of them believe that something can be done to daca to protect those d.r.e.a.m.ers. don't go away. there is a new fiery sound of senator cory booker going off on the homeland security secretary, plus the breaking news we're following. robert mueller and his counsel issuing a subpoena for steve bannon in the wake of the "fire and fury" book. what does this mean for the russia investigation? that and a lot more coming up. >> tech: at safelite autoglass

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i hurt. when dick durbin called me, i had tears of rage when i heard about his experience in that meeting, and for you not to feel that hurt and that pain and to dismiss some of the questions of my colleagues saying i've already answered that line of questions with tens of millions

of americans who are hurting right now because of what they're worried about what happened in the white house. that's unacceptable to me. there are threats in this country. people plotting. i receive enough death threats to know the reality. comla receives enough death threats to know the reality. mazie receives enough death threats to know the reality. and i have a president of the united states whose office i respect who talks about the country's origins of my fellow citizens in the most despicable manner. you don't remember. you can't remember the words of your commander in chief. i find that unacceptable. >> cory booker, the democratic senator from new jersey, really going after kirstjen nielsen, the secretary of homeland security, after that committee hearing earlier today. it's not every day you hear a senator berate a member of the cabinet along the lines he just did because she doesn't recall

those very ugly words that the president uttered during that oval office meeting. >> if i thought this was a really remarkable moment during a hearing that was full of very intense moments for these lawmakers, it really gets to what is tearing at so many people about the comments the president made during this meeting where, again, for not the first time during this administration and not the first time since president trump became a political figure, having to ask as journalists and americans the question, is the president racist? are are t are the things he's raising in policy racist? i think that's why you hear senator booker get so emotional because it is a big question. i think this is really scary and deeply unsettling to a lot of people that have come down the line to say, yes, these things are racist and his policies are. >> cory booker did not mince any words at all. amidst all of this, there is another political news we're following. the former presidential nominee mitt romney, he's thinking very, very seriously of running for

the u.s. senate from utah. but listen how he sort of dodge dodgedodged the question moments ago. >> it was a great speech. people who give great speeches would look good in the u.s. senate. have you ever thought about that? >> i have nothing for you on that topic, millie. >> i guess he was dodging it. no one thinks he's not going to be running. >> i don't know why he's holding off. everybody knows he wants to run. there have been reports that he's telling people who can fund a campaign that he wants to run. and that if he runs, he would clearly be elected in the state of utah. orrin hatch wants him to run. i don't know what this -- >> the seat that orrin hatch is giving up. >> exactly. i just don't know what the game is with that. >> i'm with gloria. the only thing i could think of, because he's running, he wants to do some big floor announcement with every public

official with him, with a lot of money donated. but to gloria's point, it's hard to see in a world in which steve bannon is significantly reduced as sort of a factor in republican primaries how jason chafitz is not running his campaign. he is a seriously detailed guy, and yes, he's running for senate and he's an overwhelming favorite barring some unforeseen circumstance to come. i'm sort of more interested in what role he plays once he gets here. the governor of utah, who is a republican, said he envisioned mitt romney eventually becoming senate majority leader and working with his ticket mate paul ryan which is fascinating. mitt romney is not likely to remain a back bencher for long. >> my question is whether mitt romney will run for president, period, in 2020.

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there's breaking news of the "new york times" now reporting that special counsel robert mueller has issued a grand jury subpoena to chief strategist steve bannon. he was working behind closed doors with the intelligence community behind closed doors

over the russia investigation. let's bring in our justice correspondent, evan perez. the subpoena to steve bannon follows rather startling comments in that new book "fire and fury" in which he says the trump tower meeting in june of 2016 with russians was treasonous and unpatriotic. he also goes one step further suggesting that the russia probe, in his words in the book, all about money laundering. >> right. i think those are all comments that are going to be brought up by the special counsel when he does go in for this interview for this testimony. and it's also unusual that they're using a subpoena to compel this testimony, wolf. previously in almost every instance when it comes to somebody close to the president, the special counsel has negotiated a voluntary interview. in this case they're doing a compelled testimony in front of the grand jury. that suggests that it is not a willing testimony, that it is a bit of a hostile witness who is

coming in, perhaps. and it's also interesting to us that bannon, of course, didn't join the campaign until august of 2016. that's after the now infamous trump tower meeting in which donald trump jr. had asked for or was supposed to be getting dirt on hillary clinton from russians that he was meeting. so there is a lot i think he doesn't know, but there is a lot he does know. obviously he was there for the first six months of the presidency of donald trump, so i think he's a very, very important witness. >> i always suspected, laura, when he talks about money laundering being at the heart, we know that mueller has been investigating collusion, obstruction of justice. money laundering adds a whole new component. >> it does, but the idea of following the money is very important. the entire premise of if collusion did occur, what was it that made somebody vulnerable and receptive to any interest in trying to collude? look at the money, look at the finances, figure out why they might be malleable in some form.

a big indictment is about money laundering. it's about vulnerability and a prosecutor is going to capitalize on just that. if what bannon has to say is true, of course mueller would look into it. >> what does it say to you, carrie, that a grand jury subpoena was issued instead of simply inviting him in for questioning from the fbi and special counsel staff? >> i'm curious about whether or not the subpoena was some kind of surprise to steve bannon and his lawyer or whether this actually was part of a negotiation where steve bannon actually preferred to be subpoenaed, in other words, preferred to be compelled by the special counsel's office to say you must appear in front of the grand jury. but i think it will play stresso stressors. right now steve bannon signed up to the same legal counsel has two other individuals, the current white house counsel and is reince priebus, the former chief of staff. him having to go in front of the grand jury without the presence of his lawyer there i think might start to put a little bit of stress on that joint

representation arrangement. >> for all of those individuals who have been called up for questioning to share the same lawyer, is that common? >> it does happen in white collar types of cases. i personally have been a little bit surprised in this particular circumstance given how highly sensitive, high stakes this is and how different persons can have different perspectives on what happened, different stories. >> we did get a statement from the lawyer that's representing him. >> steve bannon? >> bannon and he made clear he is only representing him with regard to this house intelligence meeting, not with anything related to mueller. >> and if they were co-defendants they would not all have the same lawyer. they would then have competing interests and you want to get a deal with one maybe to the advantage of another. you want someone like a current

adviser for priebus or mcgann that already knows what's happening. none of them are having the experience that bannon is having with mueller. >> federal court in washington went for an hour and a half to nearly two hours. associate rick gates, paul manafort, they appeared. what happened? >> we're looking at a trial in perhaps september, maybe pushed into october of this year. the government had earlier contemplated perhaps a trial in may. we're talking about a trial that is going to be pushed into the time when we're talking about the 2018 midterm elections. all of this trial stuff will be going on right in the thick of the election, wolf. >> both been charged but pleading not guilty, at least so far. >> pleading not guilty and also they have launched a challenge to the special counsel's regulation to begin with, challenging that the special counsel is even able to bring this indictment and sort of

challenging whether the special counsel has exceeded the scope of his original mandate. so, the judge needs to wrestle with how that is going to impact their criminal case. >> you have a final thought on that? >> likely, this is not a criminal challenge they've given. he has given the judge many options to do. talking about the challenge and scope of mueller's investigation, you're right, very different than whether you committed the counts in the 12-page indictment. they're separate. >> a lot to assess. thank you very much. the quote, spasm of a lunatic. north korea firing right back at president trump's nuclear button rhetoric, calling him a psyc psychopath. it comes on a critically important day. plus a short time from now, the president's physician from the walter reed medical center here in washington will appear before reporters to unveil the results of the president's physical that he took last friday. stand by. we'll, of course, have live coverage. julie is living with metastatic breast cancer which is breast

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it took a while but north korea is now responding to north korea's threat calling trump's button tweet a spasm of a lunatic. and a loser in a detrimental state. meeting with foreign minister, 19 countries on the korean peninsula. in vancouver for us, michelle, is this tough talk continuing

out there? >> reporter: that language that you just heard from north korea was definitely not matched by any of the countries here they don't want toin flame tensions. they don't want to mess up the fact that north korea and south korea are remarkably talking, even though for now it is just about the olympics. what they want this to be is this unified message that none of these countries, including, by the way, russia and china, who are not represented here, will accept north korea as a nuclear state. they also want to move things forward. they're using this as an assessment of how the pressure campaign is going on north korea. looking for additional ways to put on pressure if north korea continues to be provocative. i guess what stood out from secretary of state tillerson's remarks, though, was at one point he show this had chart of all the air traffic in the vicinity of north korea on a recent day to emphasize the point that when north korea fires off a missile, it puts civilian aircraft at risk.

and he used a number of more than 100,000 people on these planes that could be at risk. that's a threat we don't often hear him address. i think the toughest talk today, the most blunt statement came from the japanese foreign minister who said that he thought north korea is just buying time by having these talks and if the talks don't go north korea's way, they're likely to just blame other people for t he said don't be naive or blinded by north korea's charm offensive. i guess if you can call it a charm offensive. >> russia and china did not participate in these talks in vancouver, right? >> reporter: yeah. i mean, these are countries -- the way the state department is framing it, and they organized this with canada, is that these are just the countries that contributed to the u.n. force during the korean war. so, even though it's strange that russia and china, who bear the most influence over north korea, aren't here, they say this is just the smaller group and china and russia are

absolutely going to be, you know, copied on all the information and developments that could come out of here, wolf. >> michelle kosinsk ireporting for us. for our viewers in north america "newsroom with brooke baldwin" starts right now. >> all right. here we go. top of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me here n three days the government will shut down if republicans and democrats can't cut a deal on the spending bill. and the president report ed -- o much so that lindsey graham said this moments ago on capitol hill. >> this has turned into an s-show. and we need to get back to being a great country. dr. king said something pretty poignant about us. he