those kinds of words have consequences. the president of the united states doesn't speak for me when he refers to those countries with that word or make a blatantly racist remark in fact, the most insidious remark masquerading this immigration policy, i think that she and the president should acknowledge what was said and apologize to the american people. >> i want to ask you about steve bannon being subpoenaed now by robert mueller and his investigation. i read that you saw that as a solid sign that mueller is considering additional criminal charges. connect the dots. how is it just by them subpoenaing steve bannon, who is a top adviser, that they are going to get any charges out of that. >> we can't say for certain that there are going to be charges but subpoenaing steve bannon,

who has knowledge of what was happening in the white house during those first months as well as what happened during the transition, especially the meeting in trump towers, the firing of comey, the drafting of a statement on air force one, which clearly obstructed truth, those facts linking together before the grand jury indicates that the special counsel is moving toward additional criminal charges. i think that this claim of executive privilege is unfounded and unprecedented. it's simply unatenable. only the united states can invoke white house privilege. not steve bannon. >> but the white house did. the white house requested that executive privilege. >> well, the white house imposed, in effect, a gag order. not a legal kind of instruction. it has no basis. and by the way, alisyn, we've

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plus first shipping. life hurts, feel better. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle reacting this morning to a new proposal from house republicans to prevent a government shutdown in just three daysle what's going to happen? let's bring in editor at large chris cillizza and a.b. stoddard. i've got nothing on this, a.b. it seems like everybody we interview tells us something different. the republicans are saying, yeah, i think we may be able to get there but then the more hardliners they are, the less they seem to be on board. they don't want to have daca on it. some do. on the democrats' side, it's the mirror image. what does that tell us? >> i think the republicans want to blame democrats and say we didn't get nine.

it was talked a lot about during the campaign and why that needs to be a yes vote. if you have house freedom caucus members baulking and making it a republican on republican violence story, that's bad for everybody. i don't think anyone wants a shutdown. i've covered these long enough to know that miracles do happen at the 11th hour and people fold. i don't think it would be a daca give but i bet it would be more military certainty and more military spending to bring the freedom caucus members on board so all of the pressure is on senator manchin and heitkamp and don nolly and those up for re-election in the states that trump won. >> that's interesting. we just had on senator richard blumenthal on. he's a "no." and the only way they say they are getting on board is with the deal for the d.r.e.a.m.ers that they think is still alive, though president trump, you

know, has killed it. they still think it's a bipartisan bill that they can revive. >> it's not going to happen by friday. number two, both of those people are from my home state of connecticut and not from democrats in west virginia or indiana, to a.b.'s points. the politics are a little different. easy for blumenthal to be against it. that said, for even the sweeteners that house republicans unveiled last night, c.h.i.p. and some of these other things to get more folks on board with a bill to extend the budget funding, i'm skeptical that republicans would not be blamed 100% for this. pat leahy, senator from vermont said it yesterday and this is how it goes. republicans control the white house, the white house and the senate. we've seen congress get blamed for past shutdowns when there was split control. '95, '96, republicans got the

blame. newt gingrich got the blame. 2013, john boehner and house republicans took the blame even with boem in the -- with barack obama in the whougs. >> is there a case to be made that putting daca/the d.r.e.a.m.ers into this cr is a mistake? there's too much to it. you're not going to get just that, whether a wall component and/or security, chain migration, the lottery, do you think there's just too much to fit it in in two days? >> no comprehensive immigration reform is enough to plesh by friday, but the terms of the graham/durbin bill, which i saw on paper, included 1.6 billion for construction of something that president trump would call a wall and the democrats would call virtual fencing or whatever

would make them comfortable. but these concessions on chain migration should make conservatives very happy and i think liberal democrats. they are upset about it. this is interesting, he got a last-minute blowback from immigration talks, including his aide, stephen miller, that is now playing the steven bannon role as well as senator cotton who is pushing for restrictions on legal immigration. look, that was, i thought, a conservative compromise. it solved the dreamer thing but also gave a lot on legal immigration, new restrictions, new reforms that democrats on the way left are not going to be happy with, even steny said it was a friendly compromise. >> go ahead, chris. >> what's amazing here, let's assume -- let's assume -- i'm somewhat skeptical, but let's assume they get something to avert a government shutdown. amy and i are going to be here

in a -- a.b. and i will be here in a month's time. the dynamic remains the same. at some point democrat also have to decide if they can't cut a deal on daca, are they willing to withhold enough votes to keep too close to the government and that republicans can't get enough from the house freedom caucus? but the dynamic isn't changing. dick blumenthal was just on with you guys. this is the fourth -- if it passes, it's the fourth short-term continuing resolution to keep the government open in six months. this governing sort of lurching from crisis to crisis or deadline to deadline and then finding a door over here that is somehow unlocked and then you go through and you're in another locked area, that's sort of what this is. this is not really governing even if they don't shut down the government on friday. >> you're making it sound --

exactly. well, we'll just replay the tape in a month so you don't have to come in. >> good. don't have to get up early. >> chris cillizza, a.b. stoddard, thank you. the former chair of the house freedom caucus is ohio congressman jim jordan. you have him and then on the other side you have democratic congressman keith ellison and he represents a very hardline when it comes to the democratic party. we're going to have them both on tonight and test where they are, what it will take to get things done tonight at 9:00 p.m. interesting. >> that will be very interesting. president trump getting a thumbs up from the white house doctor. dr. sanjay gupta joans us with what he saw in the test results, next. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. which helps provide for win's family. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. green mountain coffee roasters.

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president trump getting a clean bill of health. the white house physician said the president is overweight and does not exercise enough. but overall, he says his health is excellent. so let's discuss with cnn's chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta and also vice president biden's physician.

it's great to have you here because you see different findings and conclusions in the data and in the results that the -- the exam results that you saw. sanjay, let me start with you. here is president trump's official body mass index. he is reportedly yesterday, 6'3" though that is different from previous official exams where he is 6'2". somehow he's grown while in the white house. his weight is 239 so his body mass index is 29.9. what do you see here? >> yeah, this is based on the numbers and body mass index is not a perfect ratio, by any means, but it's a good sort of indicator and 30, just to give you a con tech, means someone is

obese. >> so he's at .1 away from being in the obese category? >> that's right. so borderline obese is how many doctors would describe that. >> dr. o'connor, what do you see in the results? >> as far as results, potato/potato. >> don't you think it's significant if he were in the obese category? >> it would be a significant word. nobody wants to hear that word. nobody wants to see that on their chart. how you would treat it, no, that's not a huge difference. >> dr. o'connor, do you think that the president's clean bill of health, that he did pass with flying colors that the white house doctor was saying or did you see any warning signs? >> i didn't see anything distressing and by all of the

information, it seems to be reassuring. there are certainly colors to paint it with. there's room to grow and i want him to be much more fit. sleeping better, that would be a good thing for him. it sounds like dr. jackson's plan seems to be addressing that and now it's a matter of compliance. >> when you look at the data, there's a thing called the calcium score. if you have high cholesterol, your doctor looks to see if the plaque is building up in your arteries. in 2009, it was 34. before he was president in 2013, it was 98. today it's 133. a score of over 100 means a high risk of heart attack or heart disease within three to five years. what do you make of these findings? >> well, i mean, that's concerning. i agree with dr. o'connor on this point that you want to take

patients at this point in time and i think what dr. jackson was saying yesterday in the white house was we've assessed the function of president trump's heart. they did an echo cardio graph. they did a stress test and there was not cause for concern there. when you look at the findings that you just put up there, alisyn, there is a score that cardiologists use to try and be predictive and proactive. if the number gets up over 100, that is concerning to a lot of doctors. it's concerning because you can start to say, well, if you do nothing different, if things don't change, you can start to predict the likelihood of having a heart event, cardiac event, heart attack or something like that within a certain number of years. you've seen the trajectory of president trump's numbers. jackson alluded to this, because of his diet and lack of exercise, that would be part of the reason those numbers have likely gone up. and they have continued to go up

despite the fact that he's been on medications. so the president has heart disease. those numbers qualify him for having heart disease and it clearly needs a plan to prevent a heart problem down the road. >> dr. o'connor, does the calcium score concern you? >> it concerns me. it's evidence that, yes, it's not the coronary vessels that he was born with but the function of his heart was better addressed by the stress echo and they were reassuring numbers. i look for actionable information and we know his cholesterol is suboptimal. he's on an anti-cholesterol medication. he's on a baby aspirin a day which is appropriate. you look at microscopic application to see if they are going off or going down range. it sounds like the things that can be reasonably done for a man with this situation are being done. the other way is to look at risk

are some models that are age-old, the framingham study, it gives a scale. if you plug in the numbers we received yesterday into that, it puts him around 11%, which would be a high/low or low/intermediate risk, which is about right. >> i want to ask about his cognitive state. questions have been raised about that. the president slurred his speech. let me play that moment to remind people. >> i asked the leaders of the region political and religious, israeli and palestinian, jewish and christian and muslim to join us in the noble quest for lasting peace. thank you, god bless you, god bless israel, god bless the palestinians and god bless the united states. >> so people wanted an

explanation. obviously after that, what was that? it was so different than his normal way of speaking. yesterday for the first time, the white house doctor explained that he had given the president sudafed and that causes dry mouth and that that's what happened that day. that was helpful. but sanjay, tell us also what the doctor revealed about any cognitive tests that he gave the president. >> well, what dr. jackson basically said is at the president's request, he administered a cognitive test. i've got to point out, i've never heard of a president getting a cognitive test in the 16 years i've been reporting on this. so this was a bit unusual. >> maybe it was to put to bed those questions. maybe president trump wanted to put to bed those questions so he specifically asked for it. >> yeah. i think that that certainly could be the reason but it was the president's request for this test and, you know, to give you a little bit of framework, it's

a pretty simple test. it's a ten-minute test. they ask you to identify certain animals on the screen, count backwards from 100 by seven and cite as many words as you can with the letter "f," things that most people are able to do. and the president scored a perfect score. 30 out of 30, according to dr. jackson. this is a screening test. if you don't score a perfect score, it may give the doctors an inclination to probe a little more deeply. but as you point out, alisyn, from what we've heard from dr. jackson yesterday, he didn't want to get the test in the first place. it's not likely there will be follow-up tests based on this. >> i understand. dr. sanjay gupta and dr. o'connor, thank you for your professional expertise on this. police are sharing new details about what led them to find 13 kids captive, malnourished and some chained to

beds in california. what was going on in that house? a live report, next.

all right. so police are pointing to a teenage girl's heroism. she broke out of a window and made the call that led officers to discover her and 12 siblings being held captive in her home. stephanie elam is live in perris, california. i covered jaycee duggard and i've never heard about this number being held in a home, have you? >> reporter: no, chris. the more i learn about this story, the more questions that we have. it keeps unfolding with more confusing parts of this story. what i can tell you is that authorities said that they had never been called to this home behind me about this family until sunday. and that was because of the courage of the 17-year-old daughter who took the chance of grabbing that deactivated cell phone and escaping through the window. shortly before sunrise on

sunday, a 17-year-old girl escaped through a window from this house in southern california. using a deactivated cell phone, the girl then called 911 to report that her 12 siblings were being held captive by their parents inside. >> we need to acknowledge the courage of the young girl who escaped from that residence. >> she showed them pictures that convinced officers that her claim was accurate. once inside the house, authorities found three children they say were chained to furniture. all of the kids that are over the age of 18 were malnourished and living in filthy conditions. >> if you can imagine being 17 years old and appearing to be a 10-year-old, being chained to a bed, being malnourished and injuries associated with that, i would call that torture. >> reporter: authorities say the children's mother louise turpin was perplexed when police arrived at her home.

this new surveillance video shows louise and the children's father being taken into custody. cuple is now facing charges of torture and child endangerment. louise's sister is speaking out saying she had no idea that her nieces and nephews were being abused. >> what they went through, i just want to hug them. >> i'm very angry with them but then feel bad for the kids. >> reporter: the officiant in vegas also in shock. >> they seemed to care about each other, they cared about the kids. >> reporter: neighbors say they thought the children were much younger, noting that they were very pale and skinny. >> the kids never came outside. i thought they were homeschooled. i thought they were isolated. no friends came over, no family came over. >> and when you take a look at what they're saying about these children and the fact that they are so malnourished that they looked much younger than their

actual ages, one of the medical professionals there was saying what they are hearing about is in line with abuse that you would see for kids who have been in this situation for a very long time, a prolonged time. while we don't know, alisyn, how long they were living like this, they were saying it was probably for a good amount of time. >> it's all just so sickening to hear about. stephanie, thank you for the insight. back to the efforts to avoid a government shutdown, will republicans stop-gap funding bill go through? we have the bottom line, next. - [narrator] imagine a shirt that actually makes

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can republicans win over democrats with their spending bill and avoid a government shutdown? let's get the bottom line with one woman who knows the answer chief political correspondent dana bash. >> i just got off the phone with sources in both parties who say they don't know the answer. there is no clear deal.

one democratic source said the chances are not zero but would not say how high they are. as you've been reporting all morning, the key reason at this point is the republicans in the house thought that they came up with a clever plan to add the c.h. c.h.i.p. funding and then many said, no, we're not doing that, the freedom caucus. so unclear if that's going to go bye-bye. and, if so, then what? and there's a lot of frustration among democrats, as you can imagine, that they felt that they had a bipartisan plan and the president blew it. >> it doesn't seem that there's a great indication -- look, we're all in favor of more progress. it doesn't look like they'll be able to get daca or the dreamer aspect of it done by from.

so for all of the talk about love, i don't think the left gets anything on the dreamers if there's no security in there and at least one of the big ticket items, whether it's migration or the lottery. >> no question, because for the d.r.e.a.m.ers, the deadline isn't friday. it's not until march. but let's go back to the notion of the government funding. i've covered congress for a long time. everybody talks about the new normal and how things are different now. this is not normal, the idea of doing short-term spending bill and having this shutdown deadline every month or so. it used to be -- i'm old enough to remember when congress did its job and the fundamental job of congress is to fund the government and you pass all of your appropriations bills, spending bills, send them to the president one by one, and he signs it. it used to actually function when the parties could come together and when it wasn't used, you know, as political

footballs. i mean, it just is absurd and this is one of the many reasons why people out in the real world look at washington and say, seriously, if i didn't do any homework, i would get an "f." if i didn't do what i need to do at my company, i would lose it. why do they keep kicking the can and not doing their work? >> we use this as a government catch phrase. we don't often dive in to say the amount of lives and jobs is going to be a ripple effect. i mean, real daily pain that it would cause people who would see paychecks dry up, et cetera, et cetera. >> right. >> and the president flirts with the idea that it would actually hurt democrats politically if the government shut down even

though republicans are complete control of washington. i'm genuinely not so sure. he obviously has very good political instincts. i'm not so sure he's right about this one. but at the end of the day, i think the point that you're making -- and i'm totally with you, alisyn, if the president's whole m.o. about coming to washington was doing things differently and blowing things up, this is exactly the way business has worked for years and years and years and has fueled some of the real frustration at washington. it's working the exact same way, meaning it's not working. >> well, fair point if anybody studies president trump's business history, this is exactly the way he does business. he has no problem putting companies into bankruptcy. he has no problem going to the brink. brinksmanship is important to him. vendors complain how much you get paid when you work on a trump project. i could see him being okay with the fatalism with it.

what does this speak to in terms of the prospect going forward. if there is a government shutdown, even though the deadline in daca is in march, assuming the president doesn't move it because it's his deadline, what is the chance that you have to work on it in a real way? >> that's a question. and it's an open question. people like dick durbin who have been working on a bipartisan deal insist that the democrats will have even more leverage as you get closer to the deadline. but people who are close to the president and even some democrats privately tell me they're not so sure. >> dana bash, great to have you in the studio. >> nice to see you both. >> you, too. time for poppy harlow and john berman after this break.

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