tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 17, 2018 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
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midterm elections not only here in california but across the country. >> thank you. thanks to all of you for joining us. ac 360 starts right now with anderson. good evening. tonight keeping him honest on immigration, the border wall and how the white house was directing how steve bannon did or did not do in front of congress. president trump's own chief of staff speaks out on central campaign policy to build a wall. candidate trump's pledge on the wall was uninformed. joined by one of lawmakers who were in the room when kelly said that. more reporting on something steve bannon let slip to the
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intelligence committee. we begin with immigration and a possible government shutdown. >> mr. president, if the government shut down whose fault would it be? >> we're working on it. >> leaven an award ceremony, saying we are working on it. earlier today his press secretary seemed to be working on something else. who gets the blame. >> the president doesn't want to shut it down. but if it happens, you have one place to look and that is to the democrats who are holding our military and national security hostage that are trying to push through other policies that have nothing to do with the budget. >> the policy she is talking about is the one for so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers. try to pass legislation, minus any language on daca or anything
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else funding the government. shifting blame begins to become unglued. i quote either elect more republican senators or change the rules now. our country needs a good shut down in september to fix mess. that is the president in may. and here is sarah sanders being confronted with that. >> tweeted that a shut down would be a good thing. >> he said it would be good politics. it has never been a preference of the administration. it wasn't then and it isn't now. and again, if that happens, the blame, the fault will lie at one place because we would like to see a budget deal happen. >> saying what the president meant back then is the shut down
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would be good politics. and now according to sanders that is not what he meant at all. >> that's never been a preference of the administration. it wasn't there. and it isn't now. and again, if that does happen, the blame, fault would lie on one place because we would like a budget deal happen. >> those two positions at odds at one another. the president is either not clear or not made clear what he wants in the way of a deal on immigration. last week he told a bipartisan group of lawmakers that he -- bipartisan compromise and somehow allows lawmakers to talk him out of the compromise. whether it should span the
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entire border or not, whether mexico would pay for it or not. and later today, calling him out on it. >> i am looking for something that president trump supports. and he has not indicated. as soon as we figure out what he is for, then instead of spinning our wheels, then actually dealing with a bill that would be law. >> i will take all the heat you want to give me. and i will take the heat both off the democrats and the republicans. may whole life has been heat. i like heat in some way.
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you are more traditional politicians. now i am a politician. and you people have been doing it, many of you all your lives. i will take all the heat away. but you are not that far from comprehensive immigration reform. >> now, they are already out of the kitchen. joining us is phil mattingly on the blame game. uninformed about the wall and overpromised to build as a candidate. what is the reaction on capitol hill about this? >> reporter: i think it is important to consider the context as much as the content. where the meeting was taking place and who it was taking place. chief of staff john kelly has not had had a great relation -- heated meetings, heated discussions. and the wall, the congressional hispanic caucus finds this one
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of the most divisive if not the divisive he has talked about. talk about a wall that spanned bord border to border was an admission that the caucus found interesting. what the president wants in any potential daca resolution, or any potential daca deal is up for a debate. how big does the wall have to be, is it a wall system, is it barriers. what he wants on family migration or visa lotteries. all of these positions up in the air and complicated everything on capitol hill. >> and how close are they to making the deal. >> not close. the gang of six -- bipartisan
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proposal on the house. not picked up a lot of steam. a lot of leaders are wondering if perhaps could come up to the forefront. so long as the president doesn't get behind something, the republicans are not going to get behind. no question, the pathway forward for a daca resolution as it stands is nonexistent. >> remarks on the wall were joined by democratic congressmen louis gutierrez. did you use the word uninformed. >> here is how i remember it, he was talking, he said the president promised the wall, 50 feet high from sea to shining
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sea, that's not going to happen. he stopped talking about wall and started calling it barrier. in some places the barrier would be, the fact that it is so inhospitable, that no one would come through. some places it would be a drone, some places border security. think of it as barrier. and here is the most telling thing is, he shared with us that, he said the president made promises during the campaign about the wall and those promises were not informed promises. and he, the chief of staff, the former head of dhs has educated the president and informed the president and his position now have evolved because he says, look, i told the president, i talked to governors and congress people and mayors and we just cannot build this concrete wall and that was just clear.
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that was in response to a question that we asked, could you please tell us what you mean by a wall, because intuitively, we thought it was something that was not exactly clear. >> it has been reported that kelly said he was optimistic about congress getting a daca deal done. did you get a timeline? open to resolution in a spending bill? >> here is what he said. he said the d.r.e.a.m.ers can stay. that's done. permanent residency, citizenship, they are not going anywhere. and he repeated that three times. in inequivocal terms. he said we need a wall. billions of dollars for a wall. end what he calls chain migration which everybody in the room felt very offended by the term.
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which is family based visas. that is where you unite. i show up and i say you know what, i would really like my dad because that would be a good thing to have, my brothers, my wife and children to build a family. i shared that i found it extraordinary that the president would say that since he inherited the business from his dad. and he has the abobusiness and children are going to inherit. family based decisions on their business. that is what immigrants want. we come, and bring our parents and create businesses and opportunities. i thought for a moment he said i believe in merit-based businesses. does he understand that all of those that are here are here,
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because parents have come here. that is the way that america is truly built. >> is there any way you can vote yes that doesn't have a permanent solution for daca. >> no. every day, and i am happy that you asked that question, because a lot of times we get into the how would i say, the making of the bill, and we forgot who we are fighting for. here is one of the things that secretary kelly told us, i'm sorry, chief of staff told us. that graham and distuurbin work together, that is not bipartisan, i need you to work with cotton and purdue. that is like saying luis why don't you fight for repoukttive
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rights and fight with the republicans and come back with a compromise. what you are going to get is nothing and stalemate. so i think it speaks to the knee e -- naive tai and you uninformed kelly is. if people believe the immigration and people to be -- you are never going it reach a solution. so i would hope that chief of staff kelly would see that that was a genuine proposal. that is democrats and republicans putting ahead of party. >> appreciate your time. thank you. next, our political team. and all the breaking news on steve bannon and what he told the house intelligence committee.
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is the president hasn't shifted all that much. so does that mean that he still holds uninformed approximations in general kelly's eyes? >> apparently in general kelly's eyes and he would no best. it is sort of news from nowhere. the american people, through the electoral college through the help of mr. putin and mr. comey, selected this man. and so i think it is understandable in a sense that he doesn't know. he has been in here a year, he should know now. this is his signature promise, build a wall and make mechanxicy for it. this is, i think it is why he is down to 38%. 46% when he won the election and
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now 38%. trump voters who stood with him have quit on him now. maybe one of the reasons is they don't like being lied to. >> jack, you spoke with the president, he told you he liked your defense on the network when supposed he never watches. what do you make of this, his vision on the wall. >> well, i think paul will recall there are a lot of presidents that make promises that they can't deliver on. president obama closing guantanamo bay. but he got credits for trying. if you talked to base republicans, the dip in his popularity has nothing to do
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with the wall not being built. that is not the direct issue right now. i think the president is trying, you can tell, how difficult it is when you just saw luis gutierrez saying graham and durbin is bipartisan but working with cotton and purdue is not. >> making a great point, cuomo said we govern -- this is the central promise of his campaign. by the way, it is not all that popular. it is with the trump base, and we love the trump base, but you know what is even more popular with the trump base,
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regularizing the status of the d.r.e.a.m.ers. just finished a pole, and he surveyed battleground states. 68% of trump voters. so mr. president, just cut the deal with the democrats. let's these americans stay and live the american dream. >> but paul, i asked that question somewhat in a vacuum, do you want to legalize a small child who came here through no fault of his own, nine face to
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face -- 95% of people want to do that. 15% are skilled base and 60 simply because of family. what do you want to do about that. 50,000 random people who won a lottery who because of chain migration account for another 165,000 a year. and when you start looking at the job displacement of america and driving the wage rate down, the competition for entry level jobs there is a lot more to that than the poll would reveal. >> i will let you respond quickly. >> he said issue because he doesn't know what the hell he is doing. the president could help almost 700,000 people who deserve to stay here but he can't get out
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questions. bannon has agreed to be interviewed by special counsel robert mueller. and we are going to talk to eric swalwell in just a minute. what did you find out what went on during this hearing yesterday? >> reporter: can you imagine the committee finely gets steve bannon and called donald trump meeting treasonous. they want to ask him about what happened during the transition and during his time inside the white house and instead, they are met with i can't answer this question, i would like to answer this question, i really can't answer this question and what they find is that his lawyer during breaks is conferring with the white house counsel office to figure out whether answers to some of these questions would be
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in violation of potential executive privilege. and so it got pretty heated. >> the white house says it is cooperating with all of these investigations. so why are they trying to limit what former staffers are saying to congress. >> from the white house interview, they are following a precedent. that in anybody is going to decide what is privilege or not privilege it is the president of the united states and it is not congress or a former staffer. and what they have determined is that all post election, activities that includes transition and inside the white house should be off limits right now. and the democrats say this is ridiculous, you are trying to muzzle people and keep us from getting to the truth and even trey gouty a republican.
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>> steve bannon slipped up and admitted. >> so he did flip up, talk about a meeting and according to axios members were saying if you talked about that meeting, why can't you talk about other meetings. and they were upset about it. when he talked to the specia counsel, he is going to have to talk about these meetings because it is criminal investigation. gloria, thank you. perfect person to ask is congressman swalwell. >> stone walling your committee. did you get explanation as to why he will talk freely to mueller but not to your committee? >> no, anderson, and it doesn't make a lot of sense and it doesn't flow legally that he
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would be willing to talk to bob mueller but under subpoena to congress that he would not answer any of our questions. also, the white house has been quite inconsistent that they are asserting the privilege for, not only steve bannon's time at the white house, but any time after the campaign during the transition as well as even when he left the white house. so it appears that there is something that they don't want steve bannon to tell us. >> you have no doubt this is being orchestrated by the white house. steve bannon, his attorneys are consulting with the white house. >> we were told by steve bannon's attorneys that they were on the phone in the meeting with the white house. instructions from the white house mr. bannon could not talk about anything of the transition or recent conversations he has had with the president. >> sarah sanders also confirmed that steve bannon's lawyer was
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conveying with the white house. is that the same proces that is typically followed. >> i hope he was not doing that because that would be an effort to read into the white house a committee's sensitive investigation. the white house has a right to put parameters in place for any time that steve bannon was at the white house but they cannot, they should not know what we are asking mr. bannon with respect to the campaign. >> sanders citing executive privilege that goes back decades. >> no. to my knowledge that has never happened in history. and it is happening right now with mr. bannon and also not supported by any case law or any statute. we believe this is the white house in most aggressive way
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yet, trying -- i hope when he does come back that and we are hoping that is soon that is correct -- the white house will clear the way. they should allow him to testify without any parameters on his testimony. but that has to be sorted out sooner rather than later and that is a decision by the white house. otherwise he should be held in c contempt. >> did either of them invoke executive privilege in the same way bannon did? >> a senior level executive branch member testified today and was asked questions about the campaign, the transition and told us that he was under no instructions to invoke executive privilege which shows the white house is selectively picking who
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can tell us what. now cory lewandowski is continuing to answer questions by the campaign won't go into anything that was said after he left the campaign. >> appreciate it. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> one quick correction. introducing gloria -- the committee chairman he is in fact a member of the republican governor nunez chairs the committ committee. our panel weighing in ahead.
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white house chief of staff john kelly told fox news the white house never told steve bannon to invoke executive privilege before congress. >> didn't answer a lot of questions, refuse to answer some, debate the white house tell him to invoke executive privilege? >> no. steve has had very, very little contact with the white house since he left. i know steve little bit, not very well. he left the white house in his
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head, and certainly never returned to the white house exception with a few phone calls and very little contact with the white house. >> white house press secretary sara sanders is taking an opposite task. >> following the same practice that many white houses before us have that have gone back decades that there is a process you go through, the congress should consult with the white house prior prior to obtaining confidential material. executive privilege is something that goes back decades because something that needs to be protected. >> seems like mixed messages. joining me tonight is cnn
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contributor john dean. and cnn political analyst, maggie halverman. is kelly parsing words? >> to be clear, what we have had coming out both of the white house and reports about what actually happened and what was relayed during this committee meeting has been muddled. but sarah sanders' words most views. topic to be clear through the white house that steve bannon's lawyer is open question. bannon's lawyer represents two other people who are witnesses in this probe. one is reince priebus and one is don mcgahn. certain there is an appearance
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issue that a lot of people have raised a question with. >> do you think kelly does not know they are in contact with bannon. >> i think kelly knows and i suspect that he is parsing his language to make it steve bannon specific. >> john, this is reporting the bannon slip up. i'm wondering how significant you think that might be? >> well it could be considered one thing, a waiver of the privilege. you can't partially invoke executive privilege. more importantly he doesn't have a privilege to invoke at all. >> he doesn't? >> the president can't enforce him -- no he doesn't. i assure you nixon didn't want me testifying.
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i was going to testify. there is no injunction to stop a witness from testifying that i have ever heard of. so bannon could testify and he is obviously just doesn't want to testify or is playing to the white house with this to try to hint that he has something that they want to consider him saying or not saying. >> i completely agree. and i think the ladder strategy is a piece of this. it is an important point that bannon is not constrained by the privilege that he appears to have been citing and certainly with that slip up with a different set of questions what exactly it is applying it. i think steve bannon is trying to send the white house a signal. that he is being quote-unquote loyal. i think this is some sort of virtue signaling towards the
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trump administration. >> i am wondering what advice you would give to bannon tonight. >> tell the truth is the first thing. and second thing, he could be forced to testify. so that can take a long time particularly when the department of justice is controlled by the same part of the witness. it is going to be a different ball game in front of a grand jury if he gets there or informal discussions with mueller. >> we talked to congressman swalwell and somebody else testified and it does seems it is being done selectively. >> that is a legitimate assumption. steve bannon, there are certain people who they were concerned about and certain people they were not.
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small group of people who knew about a number of decisions were reince priebus, steve bannon, jared kushner, ivanka trump, hope hicks. a number of key aspects of the mueller probe most notably the firing of james comey. and when that decision was made, he was not in the room for it, as i understand it. and the statement about the don jr. meeting. bannon does not have direct knowledge of either of those issues, but does have direct knowledge about other things and the reason the slip is so important that he made according to axios about talking to people who were involved about the drafting of the statement or more directly involved. that he could among other things provide additional information. he could contradict people who
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have spoken with mueller who did have direct knowledge. so it becomes key. >> i appreciate it. coming up is more on the president's health. and conan o brian taking his show to haiti. that is next. you may be new parents. but tonight, you're determined to feel like your old selves again. cell phone rings baby crying with blue apron, any night is a chance to see what cooking can do.
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. the president's recent comments about the people of haiti and the continent of africa, i spoke about this on the program about the strength i have seen in the people of haiti over the decades i have worked there. con j conan o brian taking his show on the road. >> i loved what you said on the air on thursday so i called you. and it took a while to get through.
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let's get clear about that. you have a conan filter. you took the call. you got right back to me and you helped us out a lot. >> i mean, a lot of places you have gone. you were by the west bank in israel, cuba, mexico. >> we went to south korea and we went to the border between north korea and south korea. >> these are difficult areas to go to. and haiti is a difficult place to travel just to get around, traffic and stuff. it is a complex place. >> the goal of any trip like this is to make friends. that is, if you want to reduce this to as simple as i can make it and it can seem, obviously there is a political element to reacting to something president trump says, but more it is to go and make friends with paeople ad find out who are piece people,
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let's find who they are. i want this to be a chance for americans, i understand the haitian are very funny. >> do you speak french? no. i am very good in spanish and that has helped me a lot. french is rough and apparently the dialect isn't french, it is creole french. >> when they say it to you. [ speaking french ] >> the only man in america whiter than me is teaching me. this is fantastic. two white walkers from "the game of thrones" has invaded.
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i will learn what i can. >> it is so fresh. you are going at a time when three weeks ago, four weeks ago it was reported that president trump was in a meeting with white house staffers that all -- the shit house and shit hole comments. >> let's watch the language. >> does it make of course it makes no difference whatsoever. it's the attitude behind it. at the end of the day, people debating what did he exactly say, of course, you know, some people in the meeting are saying, well, he did say it. they're saying, well, i think he said that, but it was tough language, but he didn't say exactly that. they're missing the point. it's the attitude behind it, which is to dismiss giant swaths of the globe that we all live on
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as being either unimportant or not worth our time or people that we shouldn't know, people that shouldn't come to our country. that's -- that's the cancerous attitude right now. so whatever word he said is completely irrelevant to me. it's more about, all right, i'm going to go. i'm going to spend as much time as i can in the limited time i have to meet as many haitian people as i can. the show won't all be funny. i don't want to turn a blind eye to all the problems there are in haiti. but let's try and make something. let's try and make something positive. and as has happened with every other show i've done, i then spend -- i can't go anywhere without mexican people coming out of stores and saying, oh, conan. they speak to me in spanish. thank you for going to mexico city. i have korean -- south korean
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people coming up to me all the time. north koreans didn't get the word about my show. don't know what happened there. i have a publicist in north korea. but really wherever i go, if i've been to a country, people from that country, armenian people, they come out of the woodwork and they want to talk to me and thank me for going. and we have these great chats about their country. and i'm hoping that will happen now with haiti. this is just a desperate ploy for me to make friends around the globe. >> i'm glad you're going. >> i'm really thrilled to go. and thank you for -- you did respond immediately. i couldn't believe i put up a pathetic bat signal, and this man responded immediately and got us a lot of help. >> i was thrilled that you're going. i think it's going to be great for you and great for haiti. >> i hope so. >> thank you. coming up, dr. sanjay gupta on skepticism in the wake of yesterday's clean bill of presidential health.
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tough questions and from the information he got he said it's clear the president has a form of heart disease. today sarah sanders was asked if the white house stands by dr. jackson's report. >> dr. jackson has been a white house physician for the last 12 years, trusted by presidents bush, president obama, and now president trump. he is the only doctor that has weighed in on this matter that has actually examined the president, and so i think a doctor that has spent the amount of time with the president as dr. jackson has is not only the most qualified but the only credible source when it comes to diagnosing any health concerns. >> there's also been skepticism about the president's height and weight, which puts him just shy of obese. dr. jackson reported his height as 6'3". his draft card and driver's license have it as 6'2". sanjay gupta joins us now. explain what you said. does the president have heart disease just based on the
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information his doctor presented yesterday? >> yeah. i mean that's the bottom line. i mean he had a lot of tests done, understandably so. 3 1/2 hours of exams at walter reed medical center. and a big focus is his heart health as is understandable for a gentleman of that age, 71 years old. that's what you worry about the most in anybody is their heart health. he had several tests done. we know that his cholesterol and his low density cholesterol, the low density lie poe protein have gone up despite being on medication. we know he has borderline obesity and we know based on that one test known as a calcium scan, coronary calcium scan, that he has a score of 133. a lot of people may not be familiar with this type of testing -- >> i think -- i actually just had this. this is the thing that tests the calcium inside the artery, is that it? >> that's right. it's testing the calcium inside the plaques, which are located in the coronary vessels, which are the blood vessels that supply the heart. yeah, you and i actually both
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had a test like this done many years ago, and it's basically designed to figure out if you have heart disease and trying to be predictive of what your likelihood of having some sort of heart problem is down the road. that's why the test is done. anything above 100 is considered heart disease, and they can make predictions if nothing else changes what the likelihood of having some sort of heart problem is. he can do things about it, but that's the whole point of the test. >> you point out also, though, that it's not uncommon for a man his age to have signs of heart disease. >> look, in this country, anderson, most men over the age of 40, about 80% or so, have some degree of heart disease, some hardening of the arteries, some plaque in those blood vessels, and it dud steadily increase. based on the results they released to us, when you put all that together, you find that he's sort of squarely in the middle in terms of risk. he's basically in the middle for a man of his age.
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>> yeah. >> so there's things that can be done about it. the doctor has recommended increasing his statin dose, the cholesterol lowering medication as well as making some lifestyle changes. >> all right. sanjay gupta. thanks. thanks for watching 360. time to hand it over to chris cuomo for "cuomo prime time." >> thank you, anderson. deputy press secretary raj sha is here to make the case for the president on immigration, the hope for a budget deal, and he will be tested on both. we also have congressmen from the left and the right who might hold the keys to a deal. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." as always, we start with facts first. immigrants are dangerous. i'm going to throw them out. i'm going to build a big wall all the way across the border and mexico is going to pay f
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