the doctor has recommended increasing his statin dose, the cholesterol lowering medication as well as making some lifestyle changes. >> all right. sanjay gupta. thanks. thanks for watching 360. time to hand it over to chris cuomo for "cuomo prime time." >> thank you, anderson. deputy press secretary raj sha is here to make the case for the president on immigration, the hopeor a budget dl, and he will be tested on both. we also hav conessmen fm the left and the right who might hold the keys to a deal. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." as always, we start with facts first. immigrants are dangerous. i'm going to throw them out. i'm going to build a big wall all the way across the border and mexico is going to pay for it. those were the signature promises that helped donald john trump separate himself from a

packed republican field. now, of course at the time, trump may not have thought that he would ever win or have to deliver on any of those promises. and those who did think that they might win knew that much of what trump was saying was crazy talk. and just tonight, finally after almost a year in office, the white house comes clean as the chief of staff, general john kelly, admits that much of trump's talk about immigration was, quote, uninformed. >> he's very definitely changed his attitudes towards the daca issue and even the wall. he has evolved in the way he's looked at things. campaign to governing are two different things, and this president is very, very flexible in terms of what is within the realm of the possible. >> the problem is the president doesn't se to be backing off the wl as a promise, and he is not telling leadership what he wants in a bill other than his

controversial preference for more people from norway and fewer people from africa and other hard-hit places. so it is important to understand where we are right now as a function of how we got here. we're just two days from a potential government shutdown. so first trump had said last week he was all about a bill of love and that he would sign anything that they brought him. >> this group comes back hopefully with an agreement, this group and others from the senate, from the house, comes back with an agreement, i'm signing it. i mean i will be signing it. i'm not going to say, oh, gee, i want this or i want that. i'll be signing it. >> two days later, he said, oh, gee, i want this, and i want that. the love was gone. the president refused to sign a bipartisan bill as promised and created a massive controversy with this generous thought. why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?

now, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is pleading with the president, please, just make up your mind. >> i'm looking for something that president trump supports, and he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign. as soon as we figure out what he is for, then i would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels. >> right? so it helps understand why they are doing exactly that, spinning their wheels. some of the legislators are putting together a deal, but they don't really know whether or not it will be acceptable to the leader because the leader doesn't know exactly what he can deliver to the president and make it okay. now, you could argue, well, that's not how this process works. you have your bills. you debate them. you get the votes, and then you go to the president. but all we know is how it's working right now or not working in this case. so what do you say? let's get after it and get some answers. tonight we're going to go one-on-one with three big

guests. we've got democratic congressman and deputy democratic party chair keith ellison. we have the former chairman of the house freedom caucus, republican congressman jim jordan. but let's start with the good-looking man next to me right now. the principal deputy press secretary raj shah here to make the case that everythin iust said is wrong. raj shah, thank you for being on the show. it's good to see you. >> thanks for having me on, chris. >> you made me nervous for a second, raj. they said you weren't ready. i had to start ad-libbing. it's good to have you, and i appreciate you taking the opportunity. help us understand what i was just outlining for the audience, the truth of the situation. is it true that the president has not given clear direction to mitch mcconnell about what he wants in a bill? >> the president has been pretty clear about what it will take to get us to the next phase by having a daca fix along with border security, ending chain migration, and ending the visa

lottery system. remember, that clip you showed of the president where he said this group, we want something from this group and others, that was a large table of bi-camera, democrats and republicans, they walked away with those four ideas. the plan presented to them on thursday by senators durbin and graham didn't address those four issues. it only addressed daca. it was inadequate border security, not ending chain migration or the visa lottery. it was simply an inadequate bill. so if we address those four issues in a serious way and bring the president a bill he can sign, then, yeah, of course he'll be glad to sign it. >> but that is different. objectively it did deal with all four of the issues. >> not really, chris. >>ut not to the satisfaction of the president. understood, raj. but they were in there, and it was a function of bipartisan cooperation, which is what he had asked for, what he had prescribed. so now that takes us to a why did things change? you've heard the speculation from durbin and from graham, but i want to hear it from you, the

white house directly. they say if it's graham, they say he got some bad advice between when he said he'd sign it and when we came with this bill. from durbin, he was sandbagged by stephen miller and that when they got in there, the president had been told this bill was bad. is that true? >> that's not true at all. look, the president is calling the shots in this white house, and this is an immigration bill that he can't sign. let's just take one of these four issues. on border security, the president and the department of homeland security are asking for $18 billion for a southern border wall. this bill provides $1.6 billion, just a fraction of that, and it places restrictions on that funding. it doesn't provide the additional border patrol agents that we need. it doesn't provide the expedited removal authority that the secretary of homeland security asked for in that meeting. it's frankly just not a serious proposal. if you want to move on and on on the list, on chain migration, this bill does very little to end chain migration. in fact it makes the problem worse by giving legal status to

hundreds of thousands of folks. what our test is as a white house and what this president's test is will this fix the problem with a permanentso ti so that way three to five years fm know, we don't have hundreds of thousands of new illegal immigrnts asking for additional protections. that's a problem we don't want to have, and this bill would not fix it. we'd have a porous border, and we'd still have problems with the legal immigration system that encourage illegal immigration, which is not something the president can support. >> but then why does mitch mcconnell say, i don't know what the president wants? >> well, look, the president has outlined a whole series of immigration reform priorities that go well beyond these four issues that we announced last year. it involves legal immigration reform, h-1b visa reform -- >> i get that you're giving a list there, raj. but mitch mcconnell says he doesn't know what you want. you understand the disconnect here? >> we want to give congress some flexibility on those four issues, but we want a bill that seriously ends the visa lottery,

seriously reforms chain migration, secures the southern border with a daca fix. those four things presented in one bill is something that this president can sign. what lindsey graham and dick durbin presented just wasn't that. >> well, they thought it was, right? and now they have a group of about 10 or 12 senators who agree with them. but i still don't get how if it's this clear coming from you to me, why mitch mcconnell says, i don't know what the president wants. are they not talking? has it not been articulated well? you think mitch mcconnell just doesn't get it? how do you explain it? >> there's been plenty of discuson back andorth and we'd be happy to conta the leader's office another time about this. but the k point here is that i'm laying out and the president has laid out what we need in a daca fix. this is something that both parties did come together on last tuesday. we want them to continue working on this issue. kevin mccarthy has held some meetings. general kelly went to the hill today to continue these discussions. remember, the 2k3wr56graham dur

not the only solution in town. all the folks in that meeting as well as other folks on the hill and this president can support. >> will the president back off on the wall? there's now been some subtle and not too subtle indications that what was promised during the campaign was just that, a campaign promise. mexico is not going to pay for it. the general, john kelly, chief of staff today saying the president was uninformed when it comes to immigration during the campaign. kellyanne conway said since becoming president, he's met with experts, and it turns out that the geography is a little bit more complicated. there's some rivers involved. it's hard to believe, raj. the president's a sophisticated men man. he knows what the map of the country looks like. is he going to relent and say, look, by wall i mean metaphor like every other reasonable person has said. i'm not going to build a big wall because it's a big sticking point for people, raj. >> look, the president's priorities have been pretty clear from the campaign until today. we do want a southern wall, a

physical barrier along the southern border to stop the illegal flow of illegal immigrants and stop the flow of drugs. and to be clear, you know, since coming into office, he's talked with experts like general kelly. remember, general kelly ran southern command before becoming dhs secretary. this man knows what he's talking about. he says we need about 800 miles of new fencing and physical structure along the border, that we need to fix about 600 miles of fencing and border and wall structures. and then in some areas, there already exist very deep rivers and very rough terrain. in some of those areas we wouldn't need to build new structures. but let be clear what we're asking for. the department of homeland security has done the homework on this. they're requesting $18 billion to fund this. and the senators' proposal, graham and durbin, was for $1.6 billion with a lot of restrictions on it. that gets you less than 10% of the way there. >> it was a planning step. they were funding an ameal i don't rememberation, fixing the

conditions in some places and figuring what is actually necessary. but there's a bigger consideration. there are actually two. let's go one by one. raj, is this wall so important that it will overwhelm what the president said he really wants, which was a bill of love? because you've got to make a choice right now. it's pretty clear. if you want to help the d.r.e.a.m.ers and help with that urgent circumstance and not keep seeing stories like we did like jorge garcia torn away from his family and sent to mexico, a place where he hasn't lived since he was 10 years old, you're going to have to act and now. is that more important to the president than the wall? >> well, our priorities are very clear. we cannot get into a situation where we have a temporary stopgap fix and then a few years down the road, we have hundreds of thousands of new illegal immigrants in this country. that is not a fix, and that's inhumane, and that is not a bill of love. that is not one that will provide a permanent solution. what we want is an actual permanent solution, and that starts with securing our southern border. you said is this a sticking

point? it is a sticking point for the chief of staff, for the president, and for the current secretary of state of homeland security. i was in the meeting that tuesday where she was very clear with the members around the tab table. i need a southern border wall. i need that physical barrier. i also need more agents on the southern border. this bill doesn't fund that. i also need expedited removal authority so that when people jump over the border, they can be removed immediately in an expedited fashion rather than be gummed up in the court system for years and years. >> i'm not saying they're not necessary. i've been down there. i've spent time with the border police. i've been with the politicians from there. i get it. i get it. many people ,raj. to be fair, they got it during the caai. it was the president who had a hard-line position on this and said, no, no, no, a brand-new wall all the way across. now he discovered maps and some expert testimony and was admittedly uninformed according to the chief of staff. so he's now where everybody else was. but still you have people who are in need right now.

and shouldn't that come before these other considerations which matter but aren't as urgent? >> we think not. we do think border security is a very urgent situation. say that to the family of kate steinle. say that to other families -- >> say that to the family of jorge garcigarcia, who just wat him get thrown out. >> chris, let's be clear. a daca fix would not help jorge garcia. he's not a daca recipient. >> he missed it by one year. but you could make changes in the law where you consider these kinds of things. >> we could. that is not even addressed by the graham/durbin proposal. let's be clear as a matter of fact checking here -- >> hold on, raj. i'm good with that. but kate steinle, you know -- look, it is such a god-awful situation that that family had to live through. publicized as it was, lose i katie steinle. all understood.

but you guys have a pretty intentional effort to mak them monsters. you put out this report today that fictionalizes the risk of terror that is represented by people who come into this country illegally. we understand that that's against the law. we understand that it has to stop. but why make them all into villains? why inflate statistics and cherry-pick to make americans afraid of these people? why do that? >> we're not trying to say that everybody should be afraid of, you know -- >> then why would you put out a report, raj, that says base tli three out of four of them may be terrorists? that was the point of that report that taxpayers paid for. >> chris, let's be accurate. the report said that three out of four people that have been convicted of federal terrorism charges were foreign nationals who have either come here illegally or through the legal immigration system. so, yeah, should they be afraid? >> where were they radicalized? where did they commit the acts?

you ignore that? why? because you wanted the biggest number you could get. why don't you say these people are incarcerated at lower rates than the rest of the population? why don't you mention that? you're trying to make them look bad. they're either a risk or they're not. >> are you going to answer the question yourself or can i answer it? >> sometimes it provides a better answer because maybe you're ducking them, but go ahead. >> i'm not ducking anything. illegal immigration can pose a public safety and terrorism threat to the united states. that report reinforces that point. three out of four people who have been convicted on federal terrorism charges in the united states, in american courts, are foreign nationals. >> where did they commit the terrorism? where were they radicalized? >> hang on, chris. some of them committed in the united states. most of them. some of them have committed them overseas. some of them were engaged in these actions, were radicalized in the united states. some of them were radicals who came to the united states. the individuals -- hang on. let's just talk about one issue specifically.

in new york, last year in october and then december, you had two individuals, one brought here through the visa lottery system, something we're trying to end, another brought here through chain migration, something we're trying to reform. these are two individuals. one killed eight people in cold blood in a terrorist attack. >> i was there. >> in october. >> i know you were there. >> i had friends who lived in that area. i understand but you're cherry picking cases to create a general rule. if you wanted to do that, the top of your list -- >> we're making a serious point that illegality does not breed safety. i think that's a well understood point. we talked about kate steinle. the person who killed kate steinle, the illegal immigrant who killed kate steinle came to the united states across the southern border six or seven times because we have a porous southern border. >> it was actually worse than that. let me pad your own point. you also had a systemn that state that was eitr inefficient, effective, or intentionally so and allowed some recidivism.

that's all true. but it's also one case. and what you did with this report and what you do with the rhetoric and you try to paint a picture about these people that is inaccurate. >> i think we're both trying to make points, chris. >> there are lots of jorge garcias and there might be more if you don't act. what i'm saying if you were really worried about who's killing people in the name of terror in this country, you'd be focused on white supremacists. that's your biggest threat. ask the intel community. they'll tell you the same thing. but they're not your enemy apparently. your enemy are these people who come in illegally, and you want to make them look as bad as possible. i don't understand how that goes hand in hand with a bit of love, raj. >> i strongly disagree with your premise. the president is trying to fix our whole immigration system, legal and illegal. and the first step is to get a deal on the four points we talked about, daca, ending chain migration, ending the visa lottery and actually securing our southern border. that's where we're going to get results and you and i might actually agree on something. >> we'll agree on a lot. the biggest point is i'm very

happy you took this opportunity and you're welcome to come speak about what matters to the american people whenever works for you. the same nfor sarah sanders and everybody in the white house including the president. one other thing while i have you. >> sure. >> this kerfuffle or controversy about what the president said in that meeting when he expressed that preference for people from norway versus other hard-hit places, when you were reached for comment about it in the immediate aftermath, raj, you did not deny what the president said. you put out a compelling statement about tough language and what they want and what you don't want as policy. you didn't deny what was told to you that he said. why not? >> well, i wasn't in the meeting to be clear. i was told that the president used harsh language. he may not have used the exact words that were there. but the president used tough language because immigration's a tough issue, and we wanted to recite the point that he was making, which is that the president wants to create a merit-based immigration system that is not country-specific,

that is not built on race. >> if he wanted to do that, why did he make a point that was all about naming countries? >> no. the point -- just to bring you into the meeting, the president was given a plan to change the visa lottery system by changing it from one group of select countries that have a -- >> right. >> kind of a reservation of visas to another set of select countries and the point the president was making is why not pick norway, why not pick any other country? why pick these countries? the point he's making is we want merit based reforms that aren't specific to any individual -- or, rather, any country. we want the best and the brightest. we want the folks with the best educational backgrounds. >> that's his choice, and that's a bigger policy consideration. t becauhat he used and this then latent desire to cover it up, you got senators perdue, cotton, and the homeland security secretary looking foolish now because they tried to cover up something that was very -- >> let's be clear. i talked to -- >> who doesn't recall what the most important man in the room

said? who's going to sit in front of a senate panel and say, i don't know the population of norway? come on, raj. you put them in that position. >> chris, to be clear, i talked to secretary nielsen about it before this was reported and she couldn't recall the cement. >> but she understood what -- she understood what senator graham said, which was a direct echo of the president according to gram, but she didn't remember what the president said. >> she remembered a heated conversation and to question her integrity without proof i think is really out of line. the point that the president was making and that we continue to make is that we need merit-based reforms to fix our immigration system. the best and the brightest regardless of race, religion, or national origin. >> raj shah, i appreciate you coming on. as i apologized the other day, i didn't know your last name. i apologize for that, but i'll tell you one thing. i will never forget it. >> chris, thanks for having me on. i appreciate it. >> all right. we'll have you back soon. be well. so the government shutdown could come in 51 hours. i don't want to give you a false

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down the government or are they going to make a deal? right now we're in this odd frenzy where both sides say they're working to get a deal but they're also both threatening that they may not go along with any deal. and both sides say if there is no deal, the other is to blame for a shutdown. and that, friends, is washington in a single dose. so let's get after each side. let's start with the democratic position. we have democratic congressman keith ellison of minnesota. he's also the deputy chair of the democratic party. congressman, thank you for being with us. >> great to be here, chris. >> where are you on a budget vote as of now? >> well, at this point, you know, there are some key elementshat are missing, and at this point i'm not in a position to vot for a continuing resolution. the republicans are the majority. they have, you know -- they have enough votes to pass anything they want. so if they don't want to compromise with us and put some things in there that we need, well, then hopefully they'll be able to pass it all on their own. >> in the house, they may, right? but the senate is the issue. if the democrats trigger the

filibuster, then you need 60 votes. so the democrats are relevant here. it is true the gop is in control of both houses of congress and the white house, but because of that rule, you guys are relevant. so let me ask you, what do the democrats want in the bill in order to make a deal for friday? >> we have to have something in there to fix this d.r.e.a.m. act problem. >> why? >> well, because you have thousands of people nearly every day going out of legal status, and therefore are deportable. and i've talked with many of them. they come to my office. i talk with them on the phone. i meet with them in community meetings, and they are devastated. you know, these folks are losing their ability to have the right to work. they're losing their ability to be able to sleep at night. and we could have fixed -- first of all, sessions and trump never had to rescind daca in the first place. they did. so then we could have done something in october. they didn't. >> they have a different position. their position is you guys created this mess.

it was unconstitutional. the courts were going to overturn it. it always should have been in the purview of congress, so he gave it to you with a time line. did he have to do it? no. they say it was a practicality. but he did it. the other side of the argument is this, though. and you're right. i'm not being hypocritical, but i was arguing that to raj because he'sen right. you're on the left, and there are two sides to the argument here's the other one. you don't have a dead line on friday for daca. as long as they abide by the federal court decision out of california and they keep processing applications for extension, the d.r.e.a.m.ers are okay or held in abeyance. you have a real deadline in march, not friday, so you could do this budget resolution and do daca thereafter, that is, if you trust the republicans to do it with you. >> but every day people are going out of status anyway. there are people who are losing status and are subject to deportation now. i mean for these families, you know, the urgency of the moment couldn't be greater. >> that's true. >> so the fact is, is that

they've also filed, i think, an appeal to the supreme court to expedite that stay you referred to, so who knows how long that's going to be in place. look, the time is now to do something. sessions and trump never needed to rescind it. they did. let's fix that. you probably remember when dianne feinstein at the televised negotiation -- >> sai giv us a clean bill. >> right. give us alean bill. then we'll deal with all that other complicated stuff down the line. he said, okay. he said -- >> no, but then he didn't, right? we just heard from the chief of staff. you know, he suffers from a little bit of an information gap -- the president, we now understand, when it comes to this issue. and that was at play in that meeting. >> he seems clear to me. he seems clear to me. he's -- look, he seems pretty clear. what he needs to do is have the courage of his convictions and say to people who want to pull him into some xenophobic anti-immigrant position that he's going to do daca -- >> i don't know that he has to be pulled into that. but let me ask you, you've got

your own crisis of conviction because if the democrats play this out the way they might on the senate side, then the government gets shut down and theoretically it's on you because those -- >> no, no. >> because those would be the votes that aren't there. >> here's the thing, chris. this city is built on compromise. you have to work it out. you can't say, we're going to take a position that you don't agree with, but we need your votes. therefore, surrender your position, or else we shut down the government. that's what we call hostage-taking. we don't believe in it. we don't do it. we say, we'll go along with something we're not even happy with as long as we get some things we have to have. that is the way washington is supposed to work. that's the way it worked in the past. somehow they're saying, you two it our way or we're going to shut down the government and then blame you for it. that's not going to work, chris and i think the american people see right through it. >> we will see soon enough. literally we're counting down

the hours. congressman, appreciate you making the case. always welcome as you know. be well. >> thank you. >> get something done for the people. that brings us to tonight's great debate. we've got ana navarro and matt schlapp, the former political director for president george w. bush. matt schlapp, i start with you. >> yes, sir. >> the president, according to mitch mcconnell, and according to general john kelly doesn't have a lot of information behind his positions on immigration and hasn't been clear with them about what he wants. is he helping or hurting this process? >> i don't agree on the general kelly front. on the mitch mcconnell front i think the key is donald trump negotiates in a different way. he told them the four issues that he wanted to see resolved and put together in a package. he hasn't said exactly what he wants that final package to look like because, of course, that's premature deal-making. he said to the group, by the way, the group that lindsey graham came back to the oval office to talk about their deal was not that larger group, did not include kevin mccarthy, did not include john cornyn, did not include a lot of other people

who would like to have been part of that package. and he said, look, give me a deal that has daca, wall funding, ending chain and endinghe diversity visa lottery system. not true. >> not to his sufficiency, not to his satisfaction, but they were in there. >> two problems -- >> i read it. >> two problems with the deal that were presented. they went back to this issue of the communities who had temporary protective service, which the president said i'm not going to sign a deal with that in it. and the second thing, the second mistake they made it is lindsey graham came running into the white house and undercut that larger group. the president said it's this group and a larger group. if you guys come back with a package -- they tried to cut the other people out. big process foul. >> ana, how do you see it? >> look, i do think the president has an information gap, but i think that voters knew that, right? he beat 16 other republicans, most of whom were steeped in policy and actually have studied

this issue and other issues for years. he beat a woman in hillary clinton who also has studied policy for years. people voted for donald trump, many of them, because he is a deal maker, not because he knows the policy details. i am not surprised that this is a new piece of information for him that he doesn't need 2,200 square miles of wall, that there are rivers and there are mountains and there's topography, and there's all sorts of issues that make other forms of barriers and border security more effective. that's okay. that he doesn't know that stuff is okay. when you've got a john kelly, a john cornyn, a lindsey graham, a dick durbin, people who know these issues and have been studying them for years, delegate. this is not your thing. what you've got to do is make a deal. in the same way that he did with the tax bill. look at the victory lap he's taking on the tax bill. he actually had an opportunity to stand there during the state of the union and announce that he had been able to accomplish a legislative victory that eluded

barack obama and eluded george w. bush despite them really wanting to do it. >> don't give up hope. >> and he, donald j. trump, was able to do it. now we have been completely derailed. in a week's time, we have gone from love to -- >> to honesty. >> an s-show. >> we're disagreeing with each other. >> let's do it a little differently. please stay. we only heard from half, right? we heard from ellison. now i want to talk to jim jordan on the right. then i want to bring you guys back because then we'll have more information about the state of play. >> listen big here. >> all right. so jim jordan, there he is smiling. always a good sign. he's been huddling with gop leadership this evening. is there hope for a deal? we'll get the word from the congressman right after this. turn up your swagger game with one a day men's. ♪ get ready for the wild life a complete multivitamin with key nutrients, plus b vitamins for heart health. your one a day is showing.

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let me make sure i'm right about this. yes, good, we are. there is still no word o any kind of significant dealo avoid a government shutdown this friday. th members of the conservative house freedom caucus are not onboard for a short-term spending bill that would keep the government running. why? what's the holdup? what do they want?

well, there's a lot of spin, but what is the truth? we know that hard-liners are driving the resistance on the left and the right, including my next guest. let's go one-on-one with republican congressman jim jordan of ohio, who helped found the freedom caucus and was its first chairman. congressman, always a pleasure. >> always good to be with you too, chris. >> so i see that you're faking some kind of malady thinking this will go better for you. >> no, i'm not faking. i got liearyngitis. i sound like some teenager but because it's your show, i said i'm going to come on. >> i know how passionate you are. are you in a position right now to vote yes on what's out there for a budget resolution on friday? >> no. here's what i want. i want us to do what we told the american people we were going to do, what they elected us to do. fund defense, hold the line on non-defense, and do what the election was about on immigration. build the border security law, end the visa lottery, end chain migration. then if the democrats want to

shut down the government because they want to give amnesty to people who came here illegally, then you can have them on your show and they can explain why that's the appropriate thing to do. i don't think it is. that's what this is about and caucus are pushing for.reedom >> where's your heart though, congressman? you know the d.r.e.a.m.ers are in a fix. you know these aren't your typical illegals as you like to call them. you know the story of the man separated from his family in detroit. that's not what we're supposed to be about. you heard the president say he wants a bill of love for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. where's your love? >> we have love for the rule of law so let's do things we campaigned on and the american people elected us to do. let's do those first. then we can deal with the daca situation. but the election wasn't so much about daca, but it was definitely about a border security wall, about chain migration, about the visa lottery, about e verify, about sanctuary cities, all those important issues. those were front and center particularly in pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, and wisconsin, states that put donald trump in the white house. >> but priorities matter here too in terms of timing.

and when it comes to the wall, look, they're trying to do it delicately for this white house. but you had kellyanne say, well, since becoming president, the president has met with experts and understands now that there are geographical restrictions and rivers involved. and john kelly, the general, chief of staff, said he was uninformed. the wall was puffing. i'm going to build a brand-new wall along the border. that was a campaign promise. it wasn't something he thought was practical or he should not have thought was practical. why push for something like that, that is not even what the border agents say will make the biggest difference for them? >> chris, it was -- it was central to the campaign. every time the president talked, he talked about border kurt and a border security wall. advancing that this big wall could be built. >> i don't think so. it certainly wasn't a myth with people who voted for him. >> his own chief of staff said he was uninformed. >> put the wall where it's appropriate to put the wall. get rid of the visa lottery. those are all critical things.

>> the timing is not as critical as it is for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. people are losing their eligibility day by day. >> the court just ruled, chris. there's no hard deadline now for the daca individuals. >> that's to continue processing applications. >> there's time to -- >> you're still getting expirations. that creates anxiety. >> there is time to do what the election is about, do what we all campaigned on. there's a reason the american people put republicans in control of the house, the senate, and a big reason why they made donald trump the president of this great country. so let's focus on those issues, and then we can deal with -- and there's a bill. the labrador good piece of legislation that the president has endorsed. that piece of legislation does everything i just described, and it also deals with these 700,000 daca people, daca individuals across the country. it deals with them as well. so that's the kind of legislation we should pass and pass as quickly as we can in the house of representatives. >> if the government shuts down, it's on you. true or false? >> no, it's on the democrats. >> you control both houses and the white house.

>> we can pass something in the house. if it goes over to the senate and because of this crazy filibuster rule, this crazy 60 vote rule, chuck schumer say amnesty is more important than giving our troops a pay raise. amnesty is more important than funding our military, the maintenance done on our vehicles and ships, if the democrats say it's more important to have amnesty than to deal with our military at the levels we all know it needs to be, frankly, at levels even most democrats have already voted for, then that's on them, and you have to have them on your show and ask them the question why they shut down the government. >> i can guarantee you that. i will. that's what we do. >> good. >> but i don't know that's the fair proposition. first of all, let's not be too heavy handed about where you guys on the right are when it comes to military spending. sequestration was something your brothers and sisters were in favor of too -- >> i didn't vote for it. we're on record in the house

this year. the vast majority of republicans and a majority of democrats supporting the national defense authorization act, which authorizes spending at certain levels. so democrats can't have it both ways. they can't vote for the authorization and then when it comes time to actually fund our say, oh, i'm not going to vote , for i because i think amnesty is more important. really? that's your position. i'm not going to vote for 2 it even know i -- >> that's deceptive calling it amnesty because -- >> did they come here legally? >> can a 10-year-old form criminal intent? >> what i'm saying is did they come here legally? >> can a 10-year-old form criminal intent? >> can a 10-year-old come here illegally through their parents. >> they can be brought here illegally but they can't commit a crime. that's the point. they're innocent in this. >> i understand that and i want to help these individuals. >> not really. you're putting them at the end of this laundry list that everything you want first. >> the labrador bill deals with the doc ca individuals in the

appropriate way. it says while you're doing that and before you do that, secure the border which was fundamentally the focus of the 2016 election. >> but was that done on a good faith basis? you don't think that there was an effort during the election to make people who come in here illegally monsters? this report that just came out -- >> we want to welcome -- >> how do you explain this report? >> we welcome people from everywhere. >> but you make it sound like they have a 50/50 chance to be terrorists. >> they've got to do it legally. what i'm saying is when we're going to deal with these individuals who came here as children, we need to do it in a way that is consistent with the campaign and consistent with securing o border. >> those are promises that are being pulled back by people in the white house themselves. >> we should keep our promise. i think we should keep our word. i think the voters expect that as well, so let's do it and take care of these individuals who came here. but let's do it in that order. >> of all the things we've been discussing here in terms of what people want, nothing pulls

higher, nothing pulls higher than save these people who are the d.r.e.a.m.ers. save these people. they don't deserve to get thrown out. even within your own party, three out of four republicans say do them the right way. >> we're not against that. we're for securing the border first. >> priorities matter. those are the choices. as always, you'll be judged at the polls. but congressman, thank you. i know you're not 100%, but you're always more than i can handle. thank you for being with me on the show. >> you bet, chris. thanks for having me. we've heard from a key democrat. we've heard from a key republican. you get where their heads are in the moment. now we can debate. we'll have back matt sha slap and ana navarro and they will give us the best sense on which side is making the most sense, next. 0% weight. new pantene. foam conditioner.

now we've heard from both sides. now we can have a proper debate. ana and matt are back with me now. just to reset, there is new information, and i think it's very critical, all right? chief of staff general john kelly. this question of did the president really mean that? was trump running on a little bit of a bogus promise just to make himself different, just to pump people up? and everyone said, no, no, no.

listen to what john kelly said today. >> he's very definitely changed his attitudes towards the daca issue and even the wall. he has evolved in the way he's looked at things. campaign to governing are two different things, and this president is very, very flexible in terms of what is within the realm of the possible. >> so what is all of this $18 billion for a new wall all the way down? that's not even what the border people are asking for who patrol and secure it. is kelly right, matt? has he evolved, and so should everybody else, then, on your side. >> well, i mean i might quibble with some of the general's words. i definitely think when somebody who hasn't had any government experience gets into the federal government, there's no question you're taking a crash course in this. let me ask you the question back. if he's quote unquote evolved on the wall and these questions, why are democrats opposing him? democrats like barack obama and

hillary clinton have foetvoted fence funding in previous bills. i don't say them running around saying they don't want that southern border secured. >> you think she knows more bankers >> you think she's made more money than donald trump has? you need to reach back in the quiver and get a different arrow. >> so the point is why don't we just secure the border and let's just get it done? >> it doesn't make any sense. >> it does make sense. >> chris, i'm very confused right now by what trump said last week, by what john kelly said today. i know john kelly, and i know he understands border security. even when he was getting confirmed as dhs secretary, he

was saying we do not need a solid wall. here's what confuses me. last week i heard donald trump say $18 billion, we can do it for much less. i'm a fast builder. i can do it cheaper and i can do it faster. and now a week later we are back at $18 billion. he's been told he now understands he doesn't need all that mile, that it's 700 miles we're talking about. i think the grand bill includes language on -- >> there's no bill. >> the only bill out there is this durbin bill right now. >> there's no bill. >> now, matt, here's your problem, like jim jordan advances let's keep our promises, that's why we got elected. >> i don't think it's a hedge.

we're going to build a wall. >> now i'm informed and i've learned about things called maps and mountains and rivers. >> come on. you're hanging your hat on this idea there's some complication to building a wall. >> it's a possibility. when you build a wall across a river you know what it's called? a dam. >> you're wrong. >> you're going to get a wall. >> okay, so you're going to keep your promises so why doesn't mexico pay for it? >> i don't know what's going to happen with the negotiations? >> that's the second part of the chant. build a wall. who's going to pay for it, mexico. >> nafta renegotiations are going on right now.

they don't want us to pull out of nafta, and i thi is going to be a big boom to the american economy. >> that's a gross supposition. >> hold on, you talk to any corporate ceo like i do, that wants nafta, they're very concerned about this and they know the trump administration is driving a hard bargain. >> that's not how mexico pays the wall. >> i think it's incredible people can look in the cram raw a and say with a straight face mexico is going to pay for the wall. let's not be naive. let's not lie to american people. >> i'm not lying. >> if we're going to build it, american taxpayers are going to build it. if it means that in order to get daca, i think a lot of people

are willing to do it. but let's not pretend mexico is going to pay for it. >> ana, is there a false urgency being suggested here by the democrats? the deadline on d.r.e.a.m.ers is not friday. it's in march. and who knows the president may have to push it if theyp can't get a deal done because it's an artificial deadline. why do they have to have in the resolution right now? >> because the budget resolution creates a vehicle for a showdown, in order to get results. chris, lets remember we've known now for 4 1/2 months this deadline was coming. congress has had six months to act on daca and we are now down to six weeks. so if you're a d.r.e.a.m. act kid and watching the days tick down, i think you don't feel a

false sense of urgency. i can tell you i traveled around the country and the d.r.e.a.m. act kids i've talkin' to, they are feeling distressed. they have feeling worry, concern, fear, everything you can imagine. every negative feeling you can imagine. >> i'm out of time on this. i hear it. i appreciate both sides on this. we're going to need more facts. we're going to get them in the next couple of days so the debate will keep ongoing. as always, thank you. we have more cuomo prime time right after this. take a breather. uh huh! let it go! whoo! get a dollar-for-dollar match at the end of your first year. only from discover.

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signatures and his checkbooks ready taback democrats in 2018. why? what does he really want? we'll test it. that's all for tonight. don't forget i'll be on tomorrow morning, every weekday with allison noon day starting at 6:00 a.m. right now "cnn tonight" with don lemon, the man, starts right now. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. and these are the words we heard today from two people close to president trump. those words are uninformed and unprepared. uninformed and unprepared, it's not me saying that. it's the president's chief of staff and his former campaign manager. chief of staff john kelly told democrats behind closed doors today president trump's border wall promises were his word, uninformed. sources also saying kelly has worked to educa