not uncommon for a man his age to have signs of heart disease. >> in this country most men typically 40e6r. 80% have some degree of heart disease. some hardening of the artery some plaque. it does steadily increase. president trump based on again the results they released to us and the when he put that together dwrou find he is squarely in the middle in terms of risk. for a man of his age. so there's things that can be done. the doctor has recommended increasing his dose. the cholesterol lowering medication as well as making lifestyle changes. >> all right. sanjay gupta appreciate it. thanks for watching. time to turn it over to chris cuomo. >> deputy press secretary is here to make the case for the president on immigration. the hope for a budget deal. and he will be tested on both.

we have congressman from the left and right who might hold the keys to a deal. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." as always we start with facts first. immigrants are dangerous. i'm going to throw them out. i'm going to build a big wall all the way across the border. and mexico. is going to pay for it. those were the signature promises that helped donald john trump separate himself from a packed republican field. now, of course at the time trump may not have thought he would ever win or have to deliver on any of those promises and those who did any that they might win knew that much of what he was saying was crazy talk. and just tonight finally after almost a year in office, the white house comes clean. as the chief of staff general

john kelly admits that much of trumps talk about immigration was quote uninformed. >> he's a very definitely changed his attitude towards the daca issue. and even the wall. he has evolved in the way he looks at things. campaign to governing is two different things. he's flexible in the realm of what's possible. >> the president doesn't seem to be backing off the wall. as a prols. and he is not telling leadership what he wants in a bill other than his controversial preference for more people from norway is fewer people from africa and hard hit places. it is important to understand where we are now as a function of how we got here. we're just two days from a potential government shut down. first, trump said last week he was all about a bill of love and he would sign anything that they brought him.

>> this group comes back hopefully with a an agreement. this group and others from the senate from the house. comes back with an agreement. i'm signing it. i will be signing it. i'm not going to see i want this or that. i'll sign it. >> two days later, he said oh gee, i want this and i want that. the love was gone. the president refused to sign a by partisan bill as promised. and created a massive controversy with this generous thought. why are we having all the people from "shithole" countries come here? now senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is pleading with the president please just make up your mind. >> i'm looking for something that president trump supports. and he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign. as soon as we feg figure out what he's for then i would be convinced we were not spinning wheels. >> right?

it helps understand why they are doing that spinning their wheels chl some of the legislators are putting together a deal. they don't really know whether or not it will be acceptable to the leader because the leader doesn't know exactly what he can deliver to the president and make it okay. you can argue that's not how the process works. you have your bill, you debate them. you get the vote and go to the president. but all we know is how it's working now. or not working this this case. let's get after it. and get some answers. tonight we're going to go one on one with three big guests. we have democratic congressman and deputy democratic party chair keith ellieson. the former chairman of the house freedom caucus. let's start with the good looking man next to me. right now. the principle deputy press secretary. raj shau. to make the case everything i just said is wrong. thank you for being on the show. it's good to see you. >> thanks for having me on,

chris. >> you made me nervous. they said you weren't ready. hi to ad libbing. i'm good you showed up. i appreciate you taking the opportunity. help us understand what i was out lining. the truth of the situation. is it true that the president has not given clear direction to mitch mcconnell about what he wants in a bill? >> the president habz clear about what it will take to get us to the next phase by having a daca fix along with border security, ending chain migration, and ending the visa lottery system. remember that clip you showed he said this group we want something from this fwrup and others that was a large table of by partisan meeting. democrats and republicans. they walked away with the four ideas. the plan that was presented to him on thursday by senators durbin and gram didn't address those four issues. it addressed daca. it was inadequate border security. not ending chain migration and

the visa lottery. it was an inadequate bill. if we address the issues in a serious way and bring the president a bill he can sign he would be glad to sign it. >> that is different. objectively it did deal with all four of the issues. >> not really, chris. >> not to the satisfaction of the president. they were in there. and it was a function of by partisan cooperation. which is what he asked for. what he prescribed. so now that takes us to why did things change. you have heard this speculation from durbin and graham. i want to hear it from you. they say if it's graham they say he got bad advice. between when he said he would sign it and when we came with the bill. durbin was sandbagged by steven miller. and the president had been told the bill was bad. is that true? >> that's not true. the president is calling the shots. this is a bill that he can't sign. let's take one of the four

issues. border security. the president and the department of homeland security are asking for $18 billion for a southern border wall. this bill provides 1.6 billion. just a fraction of that. and places restrictions on the funding. it doesn't provide the additional border propatrol agents. it doesn't provide the expedited. it's not a serious proposal. if you want to move on on the list. chain migration. this does little to end chain migration. it makes it worse to giving legal status to hundreds of thousand of folks. what this test is will this fix the problem with a permanent solution so three to five years from now we don't have hundreds of thousands of new illegal immigrants asking for additional protection. that a problem we don't want to have. this bill would not fix it. we would have a poor border skb problems with the immigration system that encourages illegal

immigration. >> why does mitch mcconnell say i don't know what the president wants? >> he out lined a whole series of immigration reform priorities well beyond the four issues that we announced hast year. it involves legal immigration reform. visa reform. extreme vetting issues. >> mitch says he doesn't know what you want. do you understand the disconnect? >> we want to give congress flexibility on the four issues. seriously reform chain migration. secures the southern border with a daca fix. those four things presented in one bill is something that this president can sign. what lindsey graham and durbin presented wasn't that. >> they thought it was. and now they have a group of ten or 12 senators who agree. i don't get how if it's this clear coming from you to me, why mitch mcconnell says i don't know what the president wants.

are they not talking? is it not articulated well? >> there's been discussion back and forth. we would be happy to contact the leaders office about this. the key point is i'm laying out and the president laid out what we need in a daca fix. this is something that both parties did come together on last tuesday. we want them to continue working on this issue. kevin mccarthy held meetings. remember the gram durbin legislation is not the only show in town. we're trying to get to a solution that democrats and republicans all the folks in the meeting as well as other folks and this president can support. >> will the president back off on the wall? there's been some subtle and not too subtle indications that what was promised during the campaign was a campaign promise. mexico is not paying for it. the general john kelly chief of staff today saying the president was uninformed. when it comes to immigration during the campaign.

kellyanne conway says he's met with experts and turns out that the geography is more complicated. there's rivers involved. it's hard to believe. >> the president is a sophisticated man. he knows what the map of the country looks like. is he going to relent and say by wall i mean metaphor. like every other reasonable person said. i'm not building a big wall. it's a big sticking point. >> the president's priorities have been clear from the campaign. until today. we do want a southern wall a physical barrier along the southern border. to stop the illegal flow of illegal immigrants and stop the flow of drugs. and to be clear, since coming into office he's talked with experts. general kelly ran southern command. this man knows what he's talking about. we need about 800 miles of new fencing and physical structure. that we need to fix about 6 hub

miles of fencing and border and wall. and in some areas there already exist very deep rivers and rough terrain. some areas we wobt need to build new structure. the department of homeland security has done the home work on this. they're requesting $18 billion to fund this. and the senators proposal graham and durbin was for $1.6 billion with restrictions on it. they get you less than 10% of the way there. >> it was planning step. they were funding was an fixing the conditions in some places and figuring what is actually necessary. there's a bigger consideration. one by one. is this wall so important that it will overwhelm what the president said he wanted which was a bill of love? because you have to make a choice. right now. it's clear. if you want to help the dreamers, and help with that urgent circumstance and not keep seeing stories like we did like

gar gar. you'll have to act and now. is that more important to the president than the wall? >> our priorities are clear. we cannot get into a situation where we have a temporary stock gap fix and a few years down the road we have hundreds of thousands of new ill loel immigrants in the country. that's not a fix. that's inhumane and not a bill of love. that is not one that will provide a permanent solution. what we want is an actual permanent solution. that starts with securing the southern border. it is a sticking point for the chief of staff for the president and for the current secretary of homeland security. i was in the meeting that tuesday where she was very clear with the members around the table. i need a southern border wall. i need the physical barrier. i need more agents on the southern border. this bill doesn't fund that. i need expedited removal authority so when people jump over the border they can be removed immediately.

rather than be gummed up in the court system for years. >> doesn't that equal urgency. i have spent time with the border police and the politicians. i get it. i get it. many people do. to be fair, they got it during the campaign. it was president who had a hard line position on this and said no a brand new wall all the way across. now he discoffered maps and expert testimony and was uninformed. so he's now where everybody else was. still, you have people who are in need right now. and shouldn't that come before these other considerations which matter but aren't as urgent? >> we think not. we do think border security is a very urgent situation. say that to the family of kate. other families. >> say that to the family of garcis who watched him get

thrown out. not a parking ticket on his record. >> he's above the age. >> he missed it by one year. you could make changes in the law and consider these. >> we could. that is not even addressed by the durbin proposal. let's be clear. as a matter of fact checking. >> hold on. katesteinly. that family had to live through. politicized as it was. losing katy. all understood. you have a pretty intentional effort to make legal immigrants as you call them, monsters. you put out this report today that fictionalizes the risk of terror. that is represented by people who come into the country illegally. we understand that's against the law. we understand it has to stop. why make them into villains. why inflate statistics and cherry pick to make americans afraid of these people?

why do that? >> we're not trying to say that everybody should be afraid of -- >> why put out a report that says basically three out of four maybe terrorists? what was the point of the report? >> chris, let's be accurate. it said three out of four people that have been convicted on federal terrorism charges were foreign nationals who come here illegally or legally. should they be afraid? >> where were they radicalized? where did they commit the crime? say people are incarcerated at lower rates than the rest of the population. mention that. because you're trying to make them look bad. they're a risk or not. >> are you going to answer the question yourself? >> sometimes it provides a better answer. make you're ducking them. >> i'm not ducking anything. illegal immigration can pose a

public safety and terrorism threat to the united states. that report reenforces that point. three out of four people convicted on federal terrorism charges in the united states in american courts are foreign nationals. >> where did they commit the terrorism? radicalized? >> some committed them in the united states. most of them did. some committed them over seas. some were engaged were radicals who came to the united states. the individuals. in new york last year in october and then december. you had two individuals one brought here through the visa lottery system. another brought here through chain migration. something we're trying to reform. these are two individuals one killed eight people in cold blood. in a terrorist attack in october. >> i was there. i have friends in the area. i understand. you're creating a general rule. if you want to do that. >> we're making a serious point

that illegality doesn't breed safety. it's a well understood point. we talk about kate the person who killed kate the illegal immigrant, came to the united states across the southern border. six or seven times. i'm not sure the exact number. we have a poor southern border. >> true. it was worse than that. let me pad your point. you had a system in that state that was either inefficient, ineffective and allowed. that's all true. it's also one case. what you did with the report and what you do with the rhetoric and try to paint a picture about the people that is inaccurate. >> we're both trying to make points. >> there might be more if you don't act. what i'm saying is if you were really worried about who's killing people in the name of terror in the country. you would be focussed on white

supremacist. that's your biggest threat. they're not your enemy apparently. your enemy is the people who come in illegally and you want to make them look bad. >> i strongly disagree with the premise. the president is trying to fix our whole immigration system. legal and ill loel. and the first step is get a deal on the four points we talk. daca, ending chin migration ending the visa lottery. and securing the border. >> we'll agree on a lot. the biggest point is i'm happy you took the opportunity. and you're welcome to spoke about what matters to the american people when ever works for you. same for sarah sanders and everybody in the white house. including the president. this controversy about what the president said in the meeting when he prexzed the preference from norway versus hard hit

places. when you were reached ffr for comment, you did not deny what the president said. you put out a compelling statement about tough language and what they want and don't want as policy. you didn't deny what was told to you that he said. why not? >> i was i wasn't in the meeting. i was told the president used harsh language. the president used tough language because immigration is a tough issue. we want to resite the point he was making. president wants to create a merit based immigration system that's not country specific. that is not built on race. >> if you want to do that why did he make a point that was about naming countries? >> just to bring you into the meeting the president was given a plan to change the visa lottery system changing it from one group of select countries that have a reservation of visa. to another set of select countries. the point the president was making is why not pick norway or

any other country. why pick these countries? and the point he's making is we want merit based reform that aren't specific to individual or rather any country. we want the best and brightest. the best educational background. >> that's his choice. that's a bigger policy consideration. because of the language and this desire to cover it up. you have senators purdue, cotton and homeland security secretary looking foolish because they tried to cover it up. who doesn't recall what the most important man in the room said? who will sit in front of a senate panel and say i don't know the population of norway. you put them in the position. >> chris, to be clear, i talked to secretary kneelson about it. before it was reported and she couldn't recall the comment. >> she understood what graham said. a direct echo of the president. but she didn't remember what the president said. >> she remembered a conversation. to question her integrity without proof is really out of

line. the point that the president was making and that we continue to make is we need merit based reform to fix the immigration system the best and brightest regardless of race, religion or national origin. >> i appreciate you coming on. i didn't know your last name. i apologize. i will never forget it. >> chris, thanks for having me on. i appreciate it. >> we'll have you back soon. be well chl the government shut down could come in hours. 51 hours. the hope is they figure out a deal that's good for you and for this government. so, both sides are pointing the finger at the other. they're already casting blame and we don't know what's going to happen yet. it's the hard liners that are making a difference on the left and right. we'll go one on one with members from each side. we'll start with the democrat. how is the president prepared to

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deal, the other is to blame for a shut down. that friends is washington in a single dose. so, let get after each side. let's start with the democratic position. we have democratic congressman keith ellie southern of minnesota. the deputy chair of the democratic party. congressman thank you for being with us. >> great to be here. >> where are you on a budget vote as of now? >> at this point there are some key elements that are missing. and at this point i'm not in a position to vote for a continuing resolution. the republicans are the majority they have enough votes to pass anything they want. so if they don't want to compromise with us and put things in there that we need, i hope they'll be able to pass it on their own. >> in the house? but the senate is the issue. if the democrats trigger the filibuster you need 60 votes. so democrats are relevant here. it is true the gop is in control of both houses of congress. and the white house. because of the rule you are

relevant. let me ask you, what do the democrats want in the bill in order to make a deal for friday? >> we have to have something in there to fix this dream act problem. >> why? >> because you have thousands of people nearly every day going out of legal status. and therefore are deportable. and i have talked with many of them they come to my office i talk with them on the phone, i meet with them. they are devastated. these folks are losing their ability to have the right to work. losing their ability to be able to sleep at night. and we could have fixed it -- first of all sessions and trump never had to rescind daca in the first place. they did. we could have done something in october. they didn't. >> they have a different position. their position is you created this mess it was unconstitutional. courts were going to over turn it. it should have been in the per view of congress. he gave it to you with a time line. did he are to do it?

no. it was a practicality. the other side of the argument is this -- you're right. but i was arguing that because he's on the right. you're on the left. there are two sides to the argument. you don't have a deadline on friday for daca. as long as they abide by the federal court decision out of california and keep processing applications for extension, the dreamers are okay or held in a advance. you have a real deadline in march not friday, you can do this budget resolution and do daca after. that is if you trust the republicans to do it with you. >> but every day people are going out of status anyway. people are losing status and subject to deportation now. for these families, the urgency of the moment couldn't be greater. >> that's true. >> so the fact is is that they have also filed i think an appeal to the supreme court to expedite the stay. who knows how long that will be in place. the time is now to do something.

sessions and trump never needed to rescind it. they did. let's fix that. you probably remember when die yan finestein. >> give us a clean bill. >> we'll deal with that complicated down the line. he said okay. he said. >> he didn't right? we heard from the chief of staff. he suffers from a bit of an information gap, the president we understand. when it comes to this issue. that was at play in the meeting. >> it seems clear to me. look he seems pretty cloer. what he needs to do is have the courage in his convictions and say to people who want to pull him into some antiimmigrant position that he's going to do daca. >> he sits along the lines himself. you have your own price of conviction. if the democrats play this out the way they might, on the senate side. and the government gets shut down, and theoretically it's on you. because those would be the votes

that aren't there. >> i wouldn't agree. here's the thing. this city is built on compromise. you have to work it out. you can't say we're going to take a position that you don't agree with but we need your vote. therefore sur rend r your position or else we hit down the government. that's what we call hostage taking. we don't believe in it. we don't do it. we say we'll go along with something we're not happy with as long as we get things we have to have. that is the way washington is supposed to work. that's the way it worked in the past. somehow they're saying do it our way or we'll shut down the government and blame you for it. that won't work. i think the american people see right through it. >> we will see soon enough. literally we're counting down the hours. congressman, appreciate you making the case. always welcome. be well. get something done for the people. that brings us to the great

debate. we have the former political director for president george w. bush. i start with you. the president according to to mitch mccon nel doesn't have information and hasn't been clear about what he wants. is helping or hurting the process? >> i don't agree on the general kelly front. the key is this, donald trump negotiates in a different way. he told them the four issues he wanted resolved and put together a package. he hasn't said what he want ts the final package to look like. that premature deal making. the group graham came back to talk about their deal was not that larger group. didn't include mccarthy. didn't include other people who would have liked to be part of that package. and said give me a deal that has daca, wall funding, ending chain migration, and ending the visa

lottery system. he added. >> not to his sufficiency. not to his satisfaction. they were in there. >> two problems with the deal that were presented. they went back to the issue of the communities who had temporary protective service. which the president said i won't sign a deal with that in it. the second thing the second mistake they made is lindsey graham came running into the white house and under cut the large group. the president said it's this group and l.arger group. big process foul. >> how do you see it? >> i do think the president has an information gap. i think that voters knew that. he beat 16 other republicans. most of whom were seeped in policy and actually have studied this issue and other issues for years. he beat a woman in clinton who also has studied policy for years chl people voted for trump many of them because he is a deal maker. not because he knows policy

details. i'm not surprised that this is a new piece of information for him that he doesn't need 2,200 square miles of wall. that there are rivers and mountains and all sorts of issues that make other forms of barriers and border security more effective. that's okay ta he doesn't know that stuff okay. when you have a john kelly and lindsey graham. a durbin. people who know the issues and have been studying them for years delegate. this is not your thing. what you have to do is make a deal. in the same way with the tax bill. look at the victory lap he's taking on the tax bill. he had an opportunity to stand there during the state of the union and announce he had been able to accomplish a legislative victory that eluded obama and george w. bush despite them wanting to do it. he was able to do it. >> don't give up hope. >> now we have been completely derailed in a weeks time.

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let me make sure i'm right about this. there is still no word of any kind of significant deal to avoid a government shut down this friday. the member of the conservative house freedom caucus are not on board for a short term spending bill that would keep the government running. why? what's the hold up? what do they want? there's spin. what's the truth? we know that hard liners are driving the resistance on the left and right. including my next guest. let's go one on one with republican congressman jim jor

tan of ohio. who helped found the freedom caucus and was the first chairman. congressman, always a pleasure. >> always good to be with you. >> i see you're faking some kind of thinking this will go better for you. it will not work. >> i'm not faking. because it's your show i said i'm coming on. >> i appreciate it. i'm sure you stripped your throat arguing for what you want in the bill. i know how passionate you are. are you in a position to vote yet on what's out there for a budget resolution on friday? >> no. here's what i want. i want us to do what we told the american people we were going to do. what they elect us to do. fund defsz hold the line on non-defense and do what the lebs was about on immigration. build the wall, visa lottery and chain migration. if the democrats want to shut down the government to give amnesty to people who came here illegal. they can explain why that's the appropriate thing to do. i don't think it is.

that's what we're pushing for. >> where's your heart? you know the dreamers are in a fix. these aren't your typical illegals as you like to call them. you know the story of the man separated from his family in detroit. that's not what we're supposed to be about. you heard the president say he wants a bill of love. where's your love? >> we have love for the rule of law. let's do thins we campaign on and american people elected us to do. let's do those first and then deal with the daca situation. the election was about a border security wall. chain migration. board those were front and center. particularly in pennsylvania, ohio, michigan and wisconsin. states that put trump in white house. >> priorities matter here too. in terms of timing. when it comes to the wall, they're trying tooed it delicately for the white house. you had kelly ann say the president has met with experts

and understands that the geographical restrictions and rivering involved. and general chief of staff said he was uninformed. the wall was puffing. i'll build a brand new wall. that was a campaign promise. it wasn't something he thought was practical. or shouldn't have. why push for something like that that's not what the border agents say would be the biggest difference? >> it was central to the campaign. every time the president talked he talked about border security. >> it was a myth. that he was advancing. this big wall could be built. >> i don't think so. it wasn't a mayth with people wo voted. put the wall, deal with the sanctuary city. get rid of the visa lottery. >> the timing is not as critical as it is for the dreamers. people are losing eligibility day by day. >> the court ruled there's no hard dead lean for the daca

individuals. >> that's to continue processing applications. you get expirations that is creates anxiety uncertainty. >> there's time to do what the election is about. do what we campaigned on. there's a reason the american people put republicans in the control of the house and made president trump the president of the country. there's a bill the piece of legislation that the president endorsed. that piece of legislation does everything i just droibed and it also deals with the 700,000 daca individuals across the country. it deals with them. that's the legislation we should pass and pass as quickly as we can in the house of representatives. >> if the government shuts down, it's on you. true or false? >> it's on the democrats. >> you control both houses in the white house. >> we can pass something in the house. if it goes to the senate and because it is crazy filibuster rule this 60 vote rule, chuck and democrats say ak necessity is more important than getting

troops a pay raise. amnesty is more important than funding the military. getting the weapons systems upgraded the maintenance done on the vehicles and ships. if the democrats say it's more important to have amnesty than deal with our military at the levels we know it needs to be. frankly at levels even most democrats have already voted for. that's on them. you have to have them on your show and ask them the question. >> i will. that's what we do. but i know that's the fair proposition. first of all, let's not be too heavy handed about where you are on the right when it comes to military spending. se que sequestration. >> yeah, but i didn't vote for it. we're on record in the house this year. the vast majority of republicans and a major tu of democrats support the national defense authorizization act. democrats can't have it both

ways. they can't vote for the authorization and pay for the troops and fund the million tear say i'm not going to vote for it. really that's your position? >> that's deceptive. calling it amnesty. because. >> did they come here legally? >> can a ten year-old form criminal intent? >> did they -- >> can a ten year-od form criminal intent? >> can they come legally through their parents? >> their innocence in this. >> childhood arrivals. we want to help the individuals. >> not really. you're putting them in the end of the laundry list. everything else you want first. >> the good labrador bill deals with that. before you do that secure the border which was at the focus of the 2016 election. >> was that done on a good faith

basis? you don't think there was an effort during the lekts to make paem who come in here illegally monsters? this report that came out. explain this report. that just came out. >> we welcome people from everywhere. >> you're making it sound like they have a 5050 chance to be terrorists. >> we need to do in way that's consistent with the campaign. and consistent with securing the border. >> those are campaign promises that are being pulled back by people in the white house themselves. maybe with good reason. >> keep our promise. we should keep our word. voters expect that as well. let's do it. and take care of the individuals who came here. let's do it in that order. >> of all the things we have been discussing in terms of what people want. nothing pulls higher, nothing polls higher than save these people who are the dreamers. save the people they don't deserve to be thrown out. three out of four republicans say do them the right way.

>> we're for securing the border first. >> priorities matter. those are the choices. and you'll be judged at the polls. congressman, thank you. you're always more than i can handle. >> thanks for having me. >> we heard from a democrat. we heard from a republican. you get where their heads are in the moment. now we can debate. we'll have back mat and anna. and give us the best sense on which side is making the most sense. next. with trailer coverage. it's brainiac smart. not only does it watch your f-150's blind spots, it's got your trailer covered too. one less thing to spoil the weekend. no, it can't make the fish bite but maybe they'll work on that. this is the new 2018 ford f-150 it doesn't just raise the bar, pal. it is the bar.

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now we have heard from both sides. now we can have a proper debate. anna and mat are back. just to reset. there is new information. i think it's critical. chief of staff general john kelly. this question of the did the president really mean that was trump running on a little bit of a bogus promise to make himself different and pump people up? everyone said no. listen to what john kelly said today. >> he's a very definitely changed his attitude towards the daca issue. and even the wall.

he has evolved in the way he looks at things. campaign to governing are two different things. this president is flexible in terms of what's within realm of the possible. >> what is all this $18 billion for a new wall all the way down? that's not what the border people are asking for. who patrol and secure it. is kelly right? has he evolved and so should everybody else on your side. >> i quibble with the words. i think that when somebody who hasn't had any federal government experience gets into the federal government, there's no question you're taking your crash course. but let me ask you the question back, if he's a quote on quote evolved on the wall sdp the questions, why are democrats a opposing him? fence funding in previous appropriations bills. i don't see any democrats running around anyway except clinton talking to bankers

saying they don't want the southern border security. this all. >> you think she knows more bankers than donald trump? >> she got paid more. >> she's made for money than donl trump has? reach back and get a >> so the point is why don't we just secure the border and let's just get it done? >> it doesn't make any sense. >> it does make sense. >> chris, i'm very confused right now by what trump said last week, by what john kelly said today. i know john kelly, and i know he understands border security. ask i know he's been saying even when he was getting confirmed as d dhs secretary he was saying we do not need a solid wall across the border. here's what confuses me.

last week i heard donald trump say $18 billion, we can do it for much less. i'm a fast builder. i can do it cheaper and i can do it faster. and now a week later we are back at $18 billion. we've been told he now understands he doesn't need all of that wall, that it's 700 miles we're talking about. i think the grand durbin bill includes language on -- >> there's no bill. >> the only bill out there is this durbin bill right now. >> there's no bill. >> put them all on the floor and vote. >> now, matt, here's your problem, like jim jordan advances let's keep our promises, that's why we got elected. and you got the hedge position from kelly. >> i don't think it's a hedge. we're going to build a wall. >> he said we're going to bring a big wall all the way across or now i'm informed and i've learned about things called maps

and mountains and rivers. >> come on. you're hanging your hat on this idea there's some complication to building a wall. >> it's a possibility. when you build a wall across a river you know what it's called? a dam. it was never going to wrong, but it worked well during the campaign. >> you're wrong. you're going to get a wall. >> okay, so you're going to keep your promises so why doesn't mexico pay for it? >> i don't know what's going to happen with the negotiations. >> that's the second part of the chant. build a wall. who's going to pay for it, mexico. >> nafta renegotiations are going on right now. there's no question both canada and mexico are going to give america much more favorable terms because they don't want us to pull out of nafta, and i think that's going to be big boom to the american economy.

>> that's a gross supposition. >> hold on, you talk to any corporate ceo like i do, that wants nafta, they're very concerned about this and they know the trump administration is driving a hard bargain. i'd like to see how that deal comes out before -- >> that's not how mexico pays the wall. >> i think it's incredible people can look in the cram raw and say with a straight face mexico is going to pay for the wall. if you think that's going to happen, go invest with burny madoff, give him a call. get him to invest your money. let's not be naive. let's not lie to american people. >> i'm not lying. >> if we're going to build it, american taxpayers are going to build it. if it means that in order to get daca, i think a lot of people are willing to do it. but let's not pretend mexico is going to pay for it. >> all right, so here's another issue, then, on the other side that shouldn't be portended about and should be truthful. ana, is there a false urgency

being suggested here by the democrats? the deadline on d.r.e.a.m.ers is not friday. it's in march. and who knows the president may have to push it if they can't get a deal done because it's an artificial deadline. why do they have to have in the budget resolution right now? >> because the budget resolution creates a vehicle for a showdown, in order to get results. part of the reason, chris, let's remember that we've known now for what, four and a half months that this deadline was coming. congress and the white house have had six months to act on daca, and we are now down to sik siksix weeks. so if you're a d.r.e.a.m. act kid and watching the days tick down, i think you don't feel a false sense of urgency. i can tell you i traveled around the country and the d.r.e.a.m.

act kids i've been talking to, they are feeling distressed. they are feeling worry, concern, fear, everything you can imagine. every negative feeling you can >> i'm out of time on this. i hear it. i appreciate both sides on this. we're going to need more facts. we're going to get them in the next couple of days so the debate will keep ongoing. as always, thank you. we have more cuomo prime time right after this. take a breather. ancestrydna makes over 10 million new family connections, every day. that's more ways to discover new relatives. people who share your dna. and maybe a whole lot more. order your kit at ancestrydna.com

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don't forget i'll be on tomorrow morning, every weekday with allison on new day starting at 6:00 a.m. right now "cnn tonight" with don lemon, the man, starts right now. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. and these are the words we heard today from two people close to president trump. those words are uninformed and unprepared. uninformed and unprepared, it's not me saying that. it's the president's chief of staff and his former campaign manager. chief of staff john kelly told democrats behind closed doors candidate trump's border wall promises, were his word, uninformed. a source also saying kelly has worked to educate the president and move him away from those campaign promises. promises the president's base expects him to keep. and then there's the russia investigation to tell you about. adam schiff saying former cagn