shutdown. who everybody else in america has a budget except the united states government. it's embarrassing. >> we want to do everything we can to avoid a shutdown. it will fall on the republicans's backs. >> what happens, i think you only have one place to look and that's to the democrats. >> he very definitely changed his attitude toward the daca and even the wall. >> as soon as we figure out what he is for i would be convinced we are not just spinning our wheels. >> to have no collusion, it seems unlikely you would even have an interview. >> ty cobb saying he is very eager to speak to robert mueller. >> i am really frustrated when witnesses talk to the media but they can't talk to members of congress. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day", thursday,

january 18th, 6:00 in new york. here's our starting line. house republican leaders with a big test today as they vote on a short-term spending bill to fund the government. lawmakers have less than 48 hours. republicans do not appear to have the votes. with the clock ticking, republicans and democrats still struggling to find common ground. another problem is a serious failure to communicate. mitch mcconnell says he does not know what the president wants in an immigration deal. maybe that's because the president doesn't know what he wants. sources tell cnn this disconnect coincides with an admission from chief of staff. he said some of his positions on the border wall were, quote,

uninformed. meantime, they are insisting once again that the president is very eager to talk to special counsel bob mueller. that needs to be reported because it can't tkeubgts a week ago. >> we are one day away from the government shut isdown. they do support a short-term bill. but there is still one big question, will it pass. the house gop is expected to vote on that bill today. already with all the uncertainty surrounding that vote, both sides are playing the blame game. house republicans scramble to go secure support for a short-term budget resolution ahead of tomorrow's government shutdown deadline. a member of the house gop whip telling cnn they are confident.

but as of now, cnn's count show they do not have the votes. the key concern, roughly 30 conserve who oppose a short-term fix. >> are you in a position right now to vote yes on what's out there for a budget resolution on friday? >> no. here's what i want. i want us to do what we told the american people told us we were going to do, fund defense, hold the line on nondefense. >> and do what we said on immigration. >> it faces more uncertainty in the senate. lindsey graham announcing wednesday he will not support the short-term bill because it deprives the military of long term funding assurance. >> i'm not going to vote for it. the democrats seem to be willing to increase military spending. many republicans are willing to have a daca fix. and those who don't want to combine the two are very naive.

>> we should be able to work to keep the government operating the way we're supposed to do. >> reporter: with senator john mccain absent, if all others vote yes, they need 10 more votes from democrats. >> the revulsion was strong. >> reporter: leaving little room for additional no votes. senator graham continue to go push for a bill he cosponsored but president trump rejected but has been garnering growing support in the senate. majority leader mitch mccobble giving this blunt response for the gang of six bill to the floor. >> i'm looking for something that president trump supports. and he's yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign.

as soon as we figure out what he is for, then i would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels. >> reporter: the white house pushing back. >> now the president has been pretty clear. there's been plenty of discussion back and forth. we would be happen to contact the leaders office another time. >> reporter: chief of staff john kelly further muddying the waters saying mr. trump was uninformed when he repeatedly made this signature campaign promise. >> we will build the wall. mexico is going to pay for the wall. >> he's very definitely changed his issues on the daca and the wall. campaign and governing are two different things. >> reporter: here's what we can expect from the white house today. president trump is headed to the pentagon to talk about military

strategy. he will be doing a little bit of politics. he will be joined by the republican at that rally and republicans hoping to hold on to one more special election seat in pennsylvania and where he they believe it is is trump country. chris and alisyn. >> all right. let's bring in cnn political analyst david drucker and political commentator errol lewis. so you have sources as good as any, e. lewis. what are you hearing in terms of where it is headed for this friday? >> it is headed for a disaster. >> with a smile on on your face. >> it's interesting because we've spent a year and a half talking about how trump is going to do anything to satisfy his base. and we often forget across the aisle is a democratic party with a base. that base is energized. it will be in the streets in numbers like you just can't belive perhaps this weekend as the shutdown is happening. >> women's march. >> the women's march.

when you see chuck schumer, he knows how to count votes. he is saying my hands are tied. i'm not in a position to strong arm this conference into doing something they don't want to do. especially in a year where democrats are supposed to do well. we have been here before. anything can happen in 42 hours. >> it can. both sides are trying to figure out what their pressure points are and what they can get away with. the republicans don't want a shutdown. they are very nervous. even though they hold the presidency and they have a bully pulpit they are nervous it's not

going to work out for them and they will get blamed anyway. they controlled congress and the white house. do they want to determine they think it is working out very well from them. we have seen polling come back from the bill. they have seen good news in terms of corporations giving bonuses and announcing businesses in the u.s. this is all about bargaining. both sides will claim there should be a clean bill or shouldn't be a clean bill. it is just about who has the political upper hand. >> all right. the bargaining is the key word.

it requires an inside knows what it wants. one of them has to do with the democrats and which want daca and which don't. we can get to that. but mitch mcconnell, who is driving the bus, does not have the foot on the gas the way he should. there is a reason for that. let's bring this disconnect between mcconnell and the white house. >> i'm looking for something that president trump supports. he has not indicating what measure he is to sign. as soon as we figure out what he is for i would be convinced we are not just spinning our wheels. >> the president has been pretty clear about what it will take to get us on the next phase by having a daca fix, along with border security, ending chain migration, and ending the visa is sa lottery system. >> so a clear disconnect, errol lewis. why would he lie and say he doesn't know if he did know

exactly what the president wanted? there are four priorities out there. the four pillars aren't enough to architect a piece of legislation. >> i think mitch mcconnell has learned the hard way you don't just sort of assume you know what the white house is going to do because some of those deals have changed. we saw in the last few days you go into the white house assuming that the president is going to be true to his word saying bring a bipartisan bill and i will sign it. they bring it, his chief of staff blows the whole thing up. so mitch mcconnell is not going to put his members's necks out on the line if it's subject to change at the last minute. hey, let's end chain migration. it goes back to 1965. you don't just do that in the closing hours of negotiation as a swaoeutenner here and there. >> they came up with the report

yesterday that points everybody as a potential terrorist. that chain migration chain, errol, may matter more than we thought. >> it is critical. it is existential for republicans. as ann coulters of the world have told people for a long, long time. the family unification and the visa lottery, you will guarantee a long term problem for republicans depending on where these families cluster because they tend to vote democratic. that will be a larger problem. here again, when you mix and match. to deal with this 20, 30 year problem we have we're going to shut down the government or not shut down the government on friday, that is a tough place to be. that tends to lean towards some of the shutdowns we have seen in the past. >> not only that the president switches his position as lindsey graham found out the hard way. he wondered if he would get

tuesday trump or thursday trump because so much had change in terms of his position. but the chief of stove staff john kelly admitted to the caucus that the president's campaign promises, particularly about the wall, were uninformed. and i guess that's a euphemism for a hollow promise. he was making a promise that at the time a lot of people pointed out it is not realistic. but the chief of staff knits a wall is not going to stretch from ocean to ocean. >> we always knew those things were untrue. and we have been waiting for the administration to simply embrace the fact. the problem, alisyn, is that the president, his style is chaotic and uneven. he likes to pull the rug out from under people after they have made a deal because he

thinks it serves his purposes. i interviewed mitch mcconnell. he said daca was one of the things they would address. he made clear to me, as he made clear this week, they will only do what the president will sign. why? because immigration is so politically charged. rinse are running in primaries in the next few months. they need to make sure they don't waste a vote but they need his cover on something like immigration in republican primaries. this is a very delicate issue. if the president really wants a deal what he has to do is make sure republicans and democrats on the hill understand his broad parameters. where will he not go and where is there wiggle room? if he doesn't do that, it will be hard to get anything done in fact on anything because they remember on the health care bill, the house stuck their neck out, house republicans, passed

the bill. they had a big celebration in the rose garden. and then president trump called it a mean bill, completely undercutting the whole process. >> it is interesting to say his style of negotiating. like the new york jets style of play is fumble the ball, throw interceptions at the end of the game and lose all the time. when you're president it's a style. for anything else, it's bad technique. on the democratic side of the ball, he though, errol, whether or not daca in this budget bill tomorrow is make or break, that is a big decision for them as well. yes, people fall into a state of anxiety as d.r.e.a.m.ers. but that deadline is in march, not tomorrow. how big a play is that to say, no, it has to be in there or i'm out? >> they put that front and center, but other issues are right behind that. >> true. >> those who want domestic spending. an increase in military spending. the chip program, children's

health insurance. that is very important to a lot of democrats in particular. they are putting daca out there. they are putting the d.r.e.a.m.ers out there because it is appealing to their base. but if that's not the only thing going on and you start adding domestic priorities, children's health insurance, it is something they think for substantively, they will go to the wall over and compel a shutdown. >> anything can happen during our program. we will keep everybody posted. >> all right. when it comes to the russia investigation, according to his attorney the president is "very eager" to speak to special counsel. why do we quote that kind of language? because the president said something different just last week. part of his style. oh! my wallet! un momento. card lock from capital one. instantly lock your card. in case your card goes... arrivederci. mona! that smile.

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all right. the reason we keep bringing up the wall is because there is certainly confusion about it. yes, we thought we had a breakthrough moment with general john kelly saying he was informed, donald trump was, during the campaign when it came to immigration positions like the wall. but this morning, just now, while we were talking about it, the president tweeted this. the wall is the wall. it has never changed or evolved from the first day i conceived of it. parts will be, of necessity, see through and it was never

intended to be built in areas where there is natural protection such as mountains, wastelands or tough rivers or water. and he's still thinking. that's what the ellipses means. errol, i will challenge anyone to a free "new day" hat if they can show me language from the campaign where donald trump said anything like what he is tweeting right now. which is wall to wall, except where there is rivers or topography. >> that's right. it was not qualified at all. and many of his republican opponents in the primaries pointed out that the wall, you know, rivers change, right? rivers change their course. you end up with oupb side or the other side depending what side we're talking about. it gets swept to the or side. is and then having mexico pay for it.

american consumers pay a taeufr so we're actually paying for it. the president is trying to salvage his prize. he is trying to get the bare minimum. he said, please, just say that. you sort of agree that you might pay for it. he's caught out there. this is not something that is going to happen. mexico is not going to pay for it. it is not going to be a great southern barrier a country to the great wall of china. >> here is how chief john kelly described how it will be paid for, which is quite difference. listen to this. >> we have some ideas on how things like visa fees, renegotiation of nafta and what

that would mean to our economy. in one way or another it is is possible we could get the revenue from mexico but not necessarily their government. >> errol, just to finish on that point, that was an empty promise. does it matter now? he was tough talk, talking about immigration, going to keep mexicans out, rapists out. so did they really care it is not going to be a brick and mortar coast to coast wall? will anything trip him up? will anything hold him responsible? >> politically i suspect his base will -- you know, if he just sort of keeps evolving in the direction he's going and saying, you know what, you're going to pay for the wall. people in elements of his base who will glad my pay for the wall. they want to see this happen. it is a metaphor for a change in immigration policy.

give a few drones, a couple pieces of concrete and charge them for it, are there elements of the trump base who would pay for it? i suspect there would be. >> it is who he has always been. if i can't, he will not apologize for it. it is not who he is. that is not an excuse is. it is an explanation. michael zell den, that plays into our next topic. the president says to the entire world, 100% i'll talk to mueller. i'll tell him what i just told you under oath. then we get the vacillation from him last week. i don't think one is necessarily. we will have to see. now ty cobb says he is willing, ready and going to talk to mueller. how do you see it? >> well, he has no choice in the end. behalf ty cobb believes or the

president wants is irrelevant. we believe that mueller will interview the president. he has no reason not to in order to wrap up his investigation. so it will occur. it's just a matter of when and where. >> last week, here's what the president said, just to remind everyone. >> we'll see what happens. i mean, certainly i'll see what happens. but when they have no collusion and nobody has found any collusion at any level, it seems unlikely that you would even have an interview. >> well, that's a little different, errol. he is saying he wouldn't even be asked. robert mueller wouldn't even ask because there's been no collusion. you can flip it and say if there's no collusion, why not be immediately available to talk. >> and why tell your people not to say anything. the president either genuinely or his attorney keeps telling him, it truly is a witch-hunt, a hoax, it is going to go away in

a few weeks. that is what he has been saying and legal advisers have been telling them. the reality is really different. >> when you say, michael, it doesn't matter. trump is not just some other witness or even a potential target of an investigation. there's going to have to be negotiation here. mueller has to be concerned about how he treats the president if for no other reason that it is the cloudiest ground for him in terms of what actually he is able to take against the president of the united states. >> well, there is a lot of precedent for interviewing press dents in inspect counsel investigations. the most recent one being that of ken starr and bill clinton and what they did in that investigation is ken starr and his team came over to the map room at the white house and they recorded the interview. and they gave it on of to the grand jury after nine and a half hours, and they were done. so it if it was good enough for bill clinton, it should be good

enough for donald trump. >> i think that the white house counsel is going to let donald trump be in front of a grand jury? >> well, if you asked me the same question 20 years ago, do you think bill clinton's counsel would let him be in front of a grand jury -- >> i think there are different levels of confidence in terms of how the person would comport themselves. >> right. i understand that. but what i'm saying, chris, is in the end mueller has the authority to require an interview. so the issue is not if it will happen -- >> but how. >> if mueller wants it to happen, it will happen. it will just be where and when. they want to make sure they are respectful of the office of the president and they do it in terms that people feel comfortable with watching it. what i'm suggesting to you is the easiest way to do that is replicate that which handled

most recently, which was the clinton starr investigation. >> thank you both very much for all the insight. all right. we will be covering this continuing saga in primetime stoepbt. we have a little bit of a flourish on it. we will have tom steyer. what did he want and why? we'll talk to him tonight >> the white house is disputing reports that the president has some signs of heart disease. it says his health is is excellent but his calcium score tells a different story.

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has weighed in on this matter that has actually examined the president. and so i think the doctor that has spent the amount of time with the president, as dr. jackson has, is not only the most qualified but the only credible source when it comes to diagnosing any health concerns. >> our dr. sanjay gupta said he questioned the white house doctor about the coronary calcium score. what is that? it's a specialty x-ray that takes high quality pictures of the heart looking for plaque or other things building up in the blood vessels leading to the heart. the president has a score of 133. >> now anything over 100 is considered heart disease, according to the american journal of cardiology. the mayo clinic said that score puts someone at risk for a heart attack in three to five years. dr. gupta says this is not

unusual. most american men over the age of 40 have some sort of heart disease. dr. gupta? what are we calling him that. i'll call him sanjay. sanjay's full explanation can be found at cnn.com for those of you interested. >> look, i get the concern that someone could be saying that the president is very sick. that's not what sanjay was saying. common sense tells you you eat fast food diet all the time at his weight and his age, you better check yourself. >> you don't need to rely on common sense. there's the data. 133. that's the number. and you see the number that the american heart association and the mayo clinic say. so just look at the raw numbers. >> there's no reason for this to be a fight. another story. at least 10 people killed in a winter storm that slammed is the southeast. ice, snow blanketing roads,

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long time republican and former speech writer for george w. bush is sounding the alarm on why he believes the trump presidency a threat to american democracy. david frum writes the thing to fear from the trump presidency is not the bold overthrow of the constitution, but the seattly paralysis of governors, not the open defiance of law but the diversion of norms. not the deployment of state tower to intimidate dissidents but the in tiesment to radicalize supporters. david, this is troubling stuff. it is like you're the canary in the coal mine or trying to play

that part and you're trying to shake all of us into awareness of all the troubling signs you see. >> yes. >> why do you think it is so much worse than other people think? >> when people think about what to fear they imagine an anti democratic heart attack. a democratic event, the body keels over. the one woman the country was free, and the next there are police in the streets. that gives you time to be a hero. because until police are in the streets, there is nothing you need to do. this is not like a heart attack. it is like gum disease. it is a slow rot that can spread through the bottom and ultimately kill you. because it happens step by step, people at the -- do not act in time when they could. >> aren't you giving president trump a lot of credit. he's only one man. isn't democracy stronger than that. >> awe democracy is stronger than that. if he were just the one man there would be no danger at all. the story of the book is now trump is enabled, given permission and supported by

people who make deals with them. many republican are members of congress are as alarmed as anybody else. but they want his signature, they want him to look the other way. he wants protection. they want them not to investigate his wrongdoing. right now the president of the united states is receiving unknown millions of dollars in payments from foreign business partners in turkey, in india. >> if he didn't divest from the trump organization. >> how much is he receiving from the foreign people writing his checks. >> how do we get the answer to that? >> the person in the philippines who signs his checks is now the philippino ambassador to the united states. in this case the ambassador has authority over him. >> you write in the book, until the u.s. presidential election of 2016 the global decline of democracy seemed a concern for other peoples in other lands, a

matter for u.s. policy, yes, but not for america's internal affairs. the complacent optimism has been upended by the political rise of donald trump. the crisis is upon americans, here and now. again, ominous warning. but he is only mid 30s in the approval numbers. so why do you think that most americans are going to fall to this? >> he's in the 30s in the approval numbers. two weeks ago, the senate judiciary committee, the senate judiciary committee, the committee that confirms judges and prosecutors filed a criminal referral against a witness against donald trump, chris officer steele, the author of the famous dossier. he has done nothing wrong but it is is he who is to be punished. they have started up prosecutions against donald trump's political opponents, hillary clinton most recently even as investigations against donald trump are silenced, shut

down, intimidated, the weight of public opinion brought to bear. he governs with a plurality of plurality. he has most people inside the stronger of the two political parties. he can leverage that into real power. >> so what you are saying about republicans, i want to touch on that. it seems as though republicans in congress are happy they are getting their long awaited tax reform done. something is going to happen with immigration. they're rolling back regulations. if donald trump is the vessel, so be it. that's the deal that they are making. but you think it is is more dangerous? >> that is the deal they're making. the price goes up and up and up. not just that you look away when the president makes wild remarks. he is demanding that the public be his partners in shutting down investigations into, for example, the intervention of russia in american politics against which the united states is still defenseless. donald trump, in order to conceal his own wrongdoing, has

failed his responsibility to protect the country. >> what is the solution from where you sit? >> the solution, and i'm beginning to see signs of it already. as anxious as i am in the book, i see signs of it, is civic engagement. donald trump was a judgment on the country for not being good enough citizens. we have to be better citizens, be better engaged. everyone has seen how more intensely viewers and readers care about what they are hearing and seeing. we have to elect members on of congress who will hold the president to account. but above all, we have to develop a spirit of responsibility for institutions. it wasn't that long ago that a lot of people who an more donald trump made a hero out of edward snowden. the national defense that we were relying on to protect ourselves against donald trump, they are the villains. i think a lot of people now know better. they are precisely the ones that protect the country. >> there is a women's march.

>> that is important. >> thanks so much for talking about your book. >> relations between the united states and russia are very strained. president trump is now accusing the kremlin of helping north korea evade international sanctions. what is russia doing? it's fighting back. we have details and implications next. (vo) pro plan bright mind adult 7+ promotes alertness and mental sharpness in dogs 7 and older. (ray) the difference has been incredible. she is much more aware. she wants to learn things. (vo) purina pro plan bright mind. nutrition that performs. this is frank. sup! this is frank's favorite record. this is frank's dog.

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in a new interview with reuters, president trump is accusing russia of helping north korea evade sanctions. this comes as president trump heads to the pentagon today to discuss america's defense strategy. barbara starr live from the pentagon with more. what do we expect? >> reporter: good morning, chris. the president arrives at 11:00, heads-up the stairs, makes a quick left right into the tank, the secure conference room. they will be discussing the impact on the military if there is a government shutdown. the troops stay on duty. they will be paid if there is a shutdown after it ends. topping the list, the nuclear posture review. that report that the president ordered all important, laying out the framework for the future for him and the other presidents about the use of nuclear weapons is and what nuclear weapons are needed. according to officials we are talking to, the draft includes a

discussion of potentially developing new smaller nuclear weapons with less lethal power. that, critics say, could lower the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons in the future, make it easier for mr. trump or future presidents to decide to use nuclear weapons. and of course facing north korea, russia, china right now, that is an all sensitive matter. so the question is when the president is presented with the basic outline to the report today at 11:00, will he approve it? will he send it back for more work? what decisions will be made inside the tank today at the pentagon that will lay the framework for a future president to potentially use nuclear weapons. >> fascinating. thank you so much for the reporting. so the justice department is releasing new statistics linking immigrants to terrorism.

but there are big problems with their data.

all right. it is no coincidence that in the heat of this immigration struggle the trump administration comes out with a new report with statistics released by the department of justice and homeland security linking immigrants to terrorism. closer scrutiny of that report reveals this seems to have been done to project a very particular image, and it is that immigrants are dangerous. all right. so let's get the facts with cnn counterterrorism analyst and former cia counterterrorism official phil mudd. phil, always a pleasure. let me read you one quick part. a new analysis claims 73% of those convicted of international terrorism related charges in u.s. federal courts following the attacks on september 11th, 2001 were foreign born.

there you go. you've got to keep them out. keep them all out, fill. they're dangerous. three out of four could be terrorists. >> look, let's frame the question very simply. because as the teachers told me in grade school, you can do anything with numbers. i think the question we're facing is if you're an american citizen, is there something you can do about immigration to stop terrorism in this country you? let me give you a few statements that strip away the numbers because you can play with numbers and cut to the chase. number one, and these are statements within the past 12 months made by the u.s. government. number one, most terrorist attacks in this country, islamic related terrorist attacks, are committed by people who were born people or radicalized here. these are not terrorists who came to the united states prepared to conduct an attack. number two, again, a statement made by the u.s. government, country of origin is not a good indicator to try to determine who coming into the united

states is going to be a terrorist. so if you think there is a silver bullet saying we do something about immigration, we can stop terrorism, i will use u.s. government statements against them. it's not true. it's not what i saw at the fbi and the cia. >> what did you see in terms of the locust of the terrorist threat? who were you focused on? >> predictive measures. things like age, income, what country came from were not good indicators. you had to look at intelligence. who is talking to an isis member, who is following isis members on itter. who is traveling overseas from the united states, a u.s. citizen, for example, where back in 2014 they might be radicalized in syria. just looking at large pools of people. somebody from saudi arabia, somalia, syria. are they between the ages of 18 and 35. we tried to do that and, boy, chris, it just didn't work. >> when you talk about who is

doing the killing, another statistic that came out recently is that last year you had more murders, homicides committed by white supremacists than you did by any other group that was exacting terror on the united states. you think that is an anomaly or is that something that tends to be more true or not? >> i wouldn't look at last year in isolation. that is a sample size that is too small. if you you look at islamic terrorism in this country, i would say in general, it is higher in this country because they kill more people. if you look at the breadth of radicalization there is more white supremacists in this count country. there is a lot of activity in counties across america that don't see islamic extremismques.

this is a question of what americans want. if you look at the incidence of terrorism in the united states, typically fewer than 100 people will be kild in this country every year as a result of terrorism. you could get five, ten, 12 going back 10, 15 years. killed in violent crime. that is typically as a result of drugs, gangs. so like it or not, we cover terrorism on tv. but the incidence of terrorism in the united states is relatively low. if you want to stop immigrants, that's a policy issue not a security issue. >> so is you're saying if we were to keep everybody out, it is not necessarily going to make us safer? >> i agree with that, yeah. people are born here or radicalized here. somebody is still going to read isis literature online.

i want to become radicalized and conduct terror in new york city. i don't care what the white house says. they're wrong. >> phillip mudd appreciate your perspective as always. >> thank you. >> to our international viewers, we appreciate you watching. for you cnn "newsroom" is next. for our u.s. viewers, "new day" continues right now. let's get after it. >> he has evolved in the way he's looked at things. >> let's do things that the american people elected us to do. then we can deal with the daca situation. >> you can't say sur is render your position or else we shut down the government. that's that we call hostage taking. >> to punish # 00,000 people is just punishing. >> we need to do a budget. >> it doesn't make a lot of sense that he would be willing to talk to bob mueller but not answer any of your questions. >> no one's definition of

executive privilege. >> lewandowsky said he was unprepared. >> we should have subpoenaed him today. >> it just doesn't wash. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day". 41 hours and counting until a government shutdown. house republican leaders facing a major test today. we'll see if they can move forward with a vote to keep the federal government funded. it is not clear if they have the support within their own party to pass it. republicans and democrats are struggle to go find common ground.