services like garbage pickup may be delayed if a shutdown drags on. you're live in the cnn newsroom. thank you for being with us. day two of the government shutdown and no deal yet, but we expect senate majority leader mitch mcconnell to update the american people any moment now on the senate floor. that is the big headline from the u.s. senate tonight as it holds a rare sunday session. expected to culmination a critical vote in the wee hours of monday morning, possibly sooner than that. majority leader mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer finally came face to face this afternoon after not speaking all day yesterday. they were even hurling attacks still at each other earlier. >> this shutdown was a political miscalculation of huge

proportion, but it doesn't need to go on any longer. it can stop today. >> it was the republicans' job to govern. it was their job to lead. it was their job to reach out to us and come up with a compromise. they have failed. >> president trump in the heen time largely playing spectator, except for a twooet recommending republicans change the rules to bipass democrats. let's go to capitol hill. what are you hearing? what's the latest? >> reporter: e we just had a chance to talk to senate majority whip john cornyn, who was in a meeting with senator mcconnell moments ago. he came out saying that i'm a little bit more optimistic a deal could be reached tonight. now he did not give details, even though they were asking him for details about what gives you more confidence. cornyn just hours ago was saying he expected the government to be shut down tomorrow. so there's been a change in the

view of the leadership. the question that i also ask cornyn was whether or not he believes they would get 60 votes to overcome a filibuster preventing a three-week continuing resolution to keep the government open until february 8th, whether they get 60 votes. he didn't know yet because of a lot has to do with whether or not democrats are on board with this emerging deal that maybe taking shape. we don't know if there's a deal yet. we know there had been one for hours as mcconnell and chuck schumer, the democratic leader, have been talking behind the scenes. they had a meeting earlier this evening and they are trying to hash out an agreement that would presumably allow the government to stay open until february 8th while allowing for separate discussions to take place over immigration and daca. people who came to the country illegally at a young age and their legal status is expiring in march. whether or not there's a

commitment to move on that issue, that's been a big push for the democrats, a central demand as part of the negotiations. we don't know whether leadership u is yet on that issue. we know a senior white house aid just arrived in the capital for a briefing with senate republicans. there's a discussion happening behind the scenes moving at a quick pace. because we expect a vote could happen tonight and maybe as late as 1:00 a.m. to determine whether or not they have reached that 60-vote threshold. the moment some signs of optimism on the republican side have not heard from the democrats whether they are on board with this idea. we will get a sense if they come to the floor and tells the country bha is going on with these high stake negotiations. >> we do have a camera on the senate floor. we're watching and as soon as he takes the podium, we'll dip into that live. while i have you, you have been there all day trying to get a sense of where things were headed in these negotiations. what is happening there right now? how does it compare in terms of

just the movement and what you're hearing and seeing earlier? >> this was pushed by senators who are trying to get a consensus around the various things they are saying. let's keep the government open until february 8th and we'll negotiate these other matters separately. we won't even talk about these issue others. we need a commitment to see if these issues like daca and disaster relief and we need to make sure there's a commitment that these will become law. not just a vote. not an assurance, but actually could get on president trump's desk. behind the scenes, this group of more centrist members start to negotiate and figure out if there's a compromise and one thing they looked at was having a vote on this immigration issue before this february 8th dead line when the new resolution became law would expire.

but they are not willing to accept that date up until this point. we'll see if they changed their position and see if they backed off demand to insist that a bill be passed before february 8th dead line. we don't know that yet. that's going to be a key question whether there's an agreement on that february 8th dead line about moving on immigration and if they are saying let's reopen the government and have these discussions separately and worry about these issue others over the next few weeks. we don't know where things stand now. but we know there's a feeling among the republican leaders that things are easing up a bit. we'll see if that's the case in just a matter of minutes. >> when we heard from mitch mcconnell earlier today and yesterday, e he kept on reiterating there was a compromise bipartisan deal that democrats rejected that led to this government shutdown that we're now currently in. i'm curious what did republicans

compromise on in that earlier bill? did they concede anything earlier? >> it's not entirely clear there was much of a compromise at all. the one thing they are saying is is they agreed to extend the children's health insurance program that authorization is set to expire and they agree to the six-year extension of the c.h.i.p. program. that's a bipartisan deal. that's something that has been supported on both sides. what you're hearing a lot tr republicans is everything that's in this bill to keep the government open is things that people on both sides already support. when the democrats are concerned about there are all these other issues that have not been dealt with like daca and things like disaster relief and how to deal with domestic spending. they want the to get the same level as defense spending. things that have not been resolved. they see this resolution fight as leverage to enact what they are demanding.

so the republicans have yet to compromise on those issueses because they say they want those done completely separately from the ongoing spending negotiation. s. so if they have reached some sort of middle ground of giving on that and democrats back iing off a little bit. perhaps they get an agreement to reopen the government. we don't know that yet because we don't know what he's going to say. we don't know what chuck shooumer is on this. they have been quiet as they have been trying to negotiate this compromise going back and forth with the white house. one other thing. i asked mark short, the top white house aid whether the president has spoke with chuck schumer. he said i don't believe to so. at least they have not spoken tonight. we'll see their staffs may have shoek spoken. but there's been discussion. we'll see if they have reached a deal at this point. >> they are holding their cards close to the vest so far. keep us posted. thank you. we're continuing to keep an eye on the senate floor. seeing a little hustling and

bustling, but no sign of mitch mcconnell. again, expected to make some remarks to give an update to the american people any minute. we're told the top of the hour was when this was going to happen. we'll keep an eye out and dip in as soon as he steps forward. in the meantime, let's discuss with presidential historian timothy notoli is back. what do you think about this 9:00 p.m. announcement of sorts? >> this could be -- this could auger something really important and unusual in our recent history, which is a bipartisan compromise. the minority party in our system doesn't have a lot of livers. not a lot of power. generally, they don't succeed when they try to change something that the majority party wants. the democrats had this bipartisan coalition on daca. the president supported it and

then the president had the terrible meeting. he said we have a deal. come over to the white house. we don't know which member of his staff whether it was steven miller, but somebody called in hard liners. people whose views don't represent the consensus in this kocountry. they came in and changed the president's mind. by the time that durbin and graham came in, hen wasn't interested and used really rough language. so you can imagine how the bipartisan team must have felt, which is, wait a minute, this process is dead. there are real world consequences to not doing something about daca. march 6th the protections begin to disappear. >> which is what the republicans are arguing. the fact that it's not until march. >> but we're talking about real people. the problem here is there are a lot of real world consequences to the continuing resolution and the daca problem. all of these people deserve our

attention. now if the president and the congressional leadership come back and give real assurances that the daca problem will be looked at and resolved, because everybody agree it is should be resolved. then you can see that the minority party and allies like graham and flake will be able to say let's go forward. but what leverage do they have. the dead line is is an artificial dead line. president trump decided in september to remove the daca protections. then said to the senate and the house you fix it. e he started a six-month clock, which ends in march. so something needs to be done. what's really excite iing is ity be that the partisan coalition may have moved. >> we have to hear from both of them in a moment. by the way, if you're paying

attention to the bottom right of your screen, mitch mcconnell has taken the podium but hasn't started speaking yet. he's waiting for something else to happen. we're continuing to watch that. we won't miss it. but just to get to a point you made. if whatever his remarks are, we don't know if ast an announcement or to say we're still working, but if we have a deal, we're planning to take a vote, what if the daca legislation isn't part of what happens next? >> it would be surprising to e me, two things that could happen. >> we see schumer and mcconnell are talking now, so that's sb s interesting. >> one possibility would be that mitch mcconnell would be engaging in theater and want another vote just to be able to blame the democrats on the fact that tomorrow the members of our

government won't be paid. but it doesn't look given b what we're hearing that's what he's going to do. he could do it. think of all those votes on obamacare that everybody knew we are going to fail but were being done for theater. it looks like there's been movement. now if there's movement, it means the democrats are satisfied, enough of them and their leadership, are satisfyie that the movement reflects the fact that the executive branch and the hard liners in congress are willing to give daca a chance. i don't assume. daca will involve legislation that hasn't been written. there are a lot of things that need to be done. but if there are assurances that the democrats can take home, that might be enough. let me put it another way. if the american people see that the democrats and republican supporters of daca have done their best to raise the profile

of this issue to show that it's very important and they did it without the government shutting down and then the president welches on his promise to look at the issue seriously, donald trump loses. because the fact of the matter is this is a moral issue. and the durbin and their allies wanted to raise it to the public's attention and the president's. they did it by the only way they could do it which was to slow and end the budget process. >> and then they relent because they feel the president is honest with them ask they are going to do something serious. and then trump doesn't do something. this is a terrible thing. >> but if he does something, it sounds like everybody gets some piece of this victory. lelt me bring in senior political analyst and editor for the atlantic ron brownsteen. as we continue to wait the

remarks from mitch mcconnell, what's your take in terms of which party has more pressure on them now that we're in day two of this shutdown? >> it's a bad situation for both sides. you look at the polling right now. more people combined when republicans and trump than blame democrats. that's not a great situation for republicans. on the other end, democrats have living through this. i think they understand that it is really very, very difficult to get a president to do something he doesn't want to do through a government shutdown. the lever doesn't work to compel a president to do something he doesn't want to do. certainly they want to fight as hard as they can in whatever form they can where the daca kids knowing that almost 90% of the country believes they should be allowed to stay, but keeping the government closed as the means of doing that, i think if you look back at '94 with

clinton and also president obama in 2013, it's just very hard to use this. henry kizen engineer said what is nuclear superiority. this is th applies to a government shutdown. >> who is winning the messagiin war right now in terms of whose fault this is? >> i think it's kind b of a muddle. they both have real vulnerabilities. republicans are vulnerable because there's a general perception in the public of a high level of chaos associated with the trump presidency. this compounds that image unfortunately for them right at the one-year an veniversary of taking office. on the other hand, the polling is clear that the country does not support the idea of shutting down the government as a way of doling with the daca situation. and particularly for those ten democratic senators, i'm sure you've been talking about who are in states running in 2018 in states that president trump

carried, this is not something they wanted to see persist either. they have made a point. >> ron, i got to stop you there because mitch mcconnell is speaking. let's listen. >> i want to start by thanking senator graham, senator flake and senator collins and many others who have been working across the aisle to resolve the impass that we find ourselves in. when the democrat filibustered the government funding bill, when it comes to an end, serious participate negotiations that have been going on for months now to resolve our unfinished business. military spending. , disaster relief, health care, immigration and border security will continue. it would be my intention to resolve these issues as quickly as possible so we can move on to other business that's important to our country.

however, should these issues not be resolved by the time the funding bill before us expires on february 8th, 2018, assuming that the government. remains open it would be my attention to proceed to legislation that would address daca, border security and related issues. it is also my intention to take up legislation for increased disaster relief and other important matters. the shutdown should stop today. and we'll soon have a vote that will allow us to do exactly t t that. so let's step back from the brink. let's stop victimizing the american people and get back to

work on their behalf. in that regard, mr. president, i ask unanimous con sent that rule 22, the senate vote at 10:00 p.m. tonight on the motion to invoke closure on the motion to concur with amendment further all time be. considered expired and the senate immediately vote on the motion to concur with further amendment with no intervening action or debate. >> is there objection? >> yes, the majority has the right to object. >> i am happy to continue my discussion with the majority leader about reopening the government. we have had several conversations, talks will continue. but we have yet to reach an agreement on a path forward that would be acceptable for both sides. for that reason, i object. >> objection is heard. >> therefore, mr. president, i ask unanimous consent that rule 22 the senate vote at noon

tomorrow on the motion to invoke closure on the motion to concur with amendment. >> is there objection? >> without objection. >> mr. president? >> senator from arizona. on friday, i voted with many of my colleagues here not to accept the deal that was offered at that time, the cr to go for four weeks. i felt that that was unnecessarily long. and also i voted against it because i felt like a lot of my democratic colleagues and some of my republican colleagues that we need to deal with this situation on immigration. and that we shouldn't wait for the white house to indicate its preference. i felt that we could have an

agreement to move forward. so i voted against the proposal at that time. in the intervening time, we have worked with the majority leader to have a shorter time frame, which has now been offered. that of february 8th. that's longer than i would like, but it's shorter than a four-week cr. also have an agreement that the majority leader has just announced that if an agreement on immigration has not been reached by that time that the majority leader using his discretion and his authority as majority leader will move to immigration and that time we can deal with the daca issue and broader immigration issues generally. that moving to immigration my understanding is and i believe the commitment is not to prejudice one bill over another, but anyone can bring forward

their bill. there are several of us who have been working on a bipartisan bill. we have seven republicans and seven democrats on that effort right now. that legislation certainly will be considered as will other legislation. as it should be. i think the senate should act like the senate. i just want to say that there's been a lot of rhetoric over the last couple days about who shut down this is, who should have the blame. there's enough blame to go around. i hope that we can move away from that and just kind a way to open the government back up and move about our business and let the senate legislate as it should. so i will add my vote for this agreement as the majority leader has outlined that we have the cr that runs through february 8th.

we seek to have an agreement on immigration at that time and the other outstanding issues. if an agreement has not been. reached by february 8th we move to immigration. and that the senate deals with it as the senate should without relying on the white house or other bodies or chamber. s to dictate what we do here. deal with this issue as we have dealt with it in the past by debating. by amending legislation and by moving forward. that i yield the floor. >> we are waiting there to see if anybody else was going to speak up and make any comments.

let me bring back tim. the head line there is mitch mcconnell the majority leader wants to take a vote at 10:00 tonight. e we heard schumer reject that. so it's unclear if that's going to happen. initially, there was a vote scheduled at 1:00 a.m. we'll wait and see what happens. mitch mcconnell laid out some things that appears to present there's some movement in terms of what republicans are willing to do to try to bring democrats to their side to pass this short-term funding bill. that is to make it a shorter funding bill than ishlly had been proposed. so this one would expire on february 8th. here's the rub here for democrats. i'm going to read what he said. assuming the government remains open up to february 8th and they aren't able to resolve some of these other issues like daca before then, that he would then proceed to legislation that would address border security and related issues. why do you think chuck schumer

wasn't on board? >> i don't know. i think i have never run a political cam pain so i'm just responding as someone has read a lot of history. it seems the democrats are in danger of pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory. what's. happened here is they got the senate, they got the majority leader of the senate to say he's going to introduce legislation on daca, which is a promise he hadn't made before. americans, i think, look for people to be reasonable. i think most of us. want people to be reasonable. and what was muddy before was who was being reasonable or unreasonable. right now, senator flake who was somebody who has been down the line -- >> hold on. mu mitch mcconnell is back. let's listen. >> the time for the leaders be

reserved for later in the day and morning business be closed. finally, the senate consideration of the house message to accompany hr-195. >> is there objection? >> without objection. >> no further business come before the senate, stand adjourned on the previous order. >> senate stands adjourned until 10:00 a.m. tomorrow. >> there you have it. doesn't sound like there's going to be a vote tonight. let's check in on capitol hill. are we interpreting that correctly? that no e vote tonight? >> that's right. no vote tonight. government is still shut down. we'll head into day three of this 2018 government shutdown tomorrow. no agreement. they are going to vote at noon tomorrow on a bill to keep the government open for three more weeks to reopen for three weeks and extend that children's health insurance program for six years, delay obamacare taxes. they need 60 votes to overcome a democratic fill bust. er. right now it appears they are

short. they did pick up at least one key vote. jeff flake as well as lindsey graham, those are two members that voted against the last version. so they are a little bit closer, but they are r still not at that key 60-vote threshold because of chuck schumer's objection to mitch mcconnell's proposal tonight. it's interesting to hear what mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer were saying. rae mcconnell is making it clear he want was willing to move on these issues that schumer has been demanding. disaster relief, he's been to daca and domestic and defense spending levels, getting an agreement on all those issues. as quickly as possible, he also said that they would have a vote on the daca issue. particularly daca, a path way to get on the president's desk.

clearly from talks, chuck schumer did not believe there was any commitment for these measures to get on the president's desk. which is why they objected today. so tomorrow expect more negotiations, expect that vote to occur at noon tomorrow. key test vote. we'll see if any democratic minds change overnight. but right now, we're looking at a shutdown that will at least have until tomorrow. we'll see how long it lasts whether those demands are not met and could last for some time. >> thank you for help iing us understand exactly what just happened there. based on what you heard and saw, there's still no deal. but there has been movement on the gop side and how they presented it that they are planning to bring up daca and immigration reform. this is a commitment that we all heard from mitch mcconnell. why not dpood enough for the democrats. >> i don't think he promised to

bring up his own bill. he promised to allow something to be voted on. he's already done that. he did that on the tax bill to get jeff flake's vote. they already promised there could be a daca vote. i think the bigger problem, though, is committing the house. pi think the one point of leverage democrats now have in washington is the ability to block legislation in the senate that requires 60 votes. this is it. and i think whatever happens in the senate, i think democrats are concerned they might pass a bill with bipartisan support and house republicans would refuse to take it off. there was bipartisan reform legislation passed the senate with more than 60 votes and the house republican majority refused to vote on it. so i'm guessing that part of the end game here is some kind of commitment from paul ryan that the house will consider and as i said this afternoon, the ultimate end point of this, it's

hard to imagine that there's a bill that can get 60 votes in the senate if there's something that gets to the president's desk, paul ryan is going to have to violate the rule that says you only bring a bill to the floor if you have the majority. it's hard to see whether there can be a deal that a majority will support. maybe on daca because it's so popular. but there are a lot of house republicans who basically agree with steven miller's view on immigration where they are seeking not only -- this is very important to understand. not only changes in border security as the price for legalizing the daca, but reductions in legal immigration, which is a new position compared to a few years ago for republicans. >> so we have to squeeze in a quick break. thank you so much. here's what we know. the government is is in a shutdown. it's going to stay in a shutdown into tomorrow when government workers would normally be. getting back to work.

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breaking news tonight. mitch mcconnell just announcing there is officially no deal. senate is adjourned until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. meaning the government shutdown continues. now the latest update is is

there will be a procedural vote tomorrow at noon. but it's still not clear whether there are the votes there to reopen the government. here's what mitch mcconnell just said on the senate floor moments ago. >> i wanted to give all of our colleagues an update on where we are. i want to start by thanking senator graham, senator flake and senator collins and many others who have been working across the aisle to help resolve the impass we find ourselves at. when the democrat filibustered the government funding bill, when it comes to an end, the serious bipartisan negotiations that have been going on for months now to resolve our unfinished business, military spending, disaster relief, health care, immigration, and

border security will continue. it would be my intention to e resolve these issues as quickly as possible so that we can move on to other business that's important to our country. however, should these issues not be resolved by the time the funding bill before us expires on february 8th, 2018, assuming that the government remaining open, it would be my intention to proceed to legislation that would address daca, border security and related issues. it is also my intention to take up legislation regarding increased defense spending, disaster relief and other important matters. the shutdown should stop today. and we'll soon have a vote that will allow used to exactly that.

so let's step back from the brink, let's. stop victimizing the american people and e get pack to work on their behalf. >> i want to bring in now cnn's ryan nobles on capitol hill. just moments ago, those remarks, what's happening there right now? >> right now, i think you're having a digestion process ha. especially for democrats here. we're being told by lawmakers as they exit the senate floor what went on here between mitch mcconnell and minority leader chuck schumer. they kind of agreed here that while the senate majority leader's offered an olive branch to say we're going to take seriously your concern, but allow us to pass this bill to get the government open, schumer isn't ready to take the temperature of the caucus and wants to give them the night to think about whether or not they

want to continue this hard line that essentially keep the filibuster in place and not allow the vote to go forward. it's important to keep in mind there are enough votes if there were a simple majority u to get this bill over the finish line. but from the republicans perspective the democrats are putting up the filibuster require the 60 votes. and this really was kind of born out of what we saw. happen all day here on capitol hill. that was had group of 22 different senators both republican and democrat that were huddled behind closed doors for hours trying to find areas of agreement where they could then go to their leadership and say none of us want a government shutdown. how can we work together. even though the words we heard from mitch mcconnell today seemed optimistic and seemed hopeful, they really is have not struck a deal yet. and there's a very good chance that all this tension that we have seen throughout the weekend will bleed into tomorrow

morning. there's going to a lot of federal workers who are going to be very nervous if and when that vote happens at noon tomorrow. >> does it sound like people are just going home? that they are done trying to continue to negotiate. >> it seems that way. i text to see what the status was. the vote wasn't going to. ha. it was time for everyone to go back to their respective camps. as to how they want to move forward. it's important to point out that the 22 senators, republicans and democrats, who met today they. want the to see something done. there are hard liners.

it's going to budge on these issues. even though the government there are still a lot of lawmakers that are willing to take a stand if it means not giving on these issues that they care about. you're going to see a conversation about the practically. no way to put a bill on the floor tomorrow that's going to solve the daca crisis. so what is the next stage. what are democrats willing to accept to get this it bill passed and get the government back open. >> that's a big question. thank you very much. keep us posted should there be any movement. in the meantime, let's turn back to ron. i want to we're getting reaction from some of these senators who are there inside the room and here's what lindsey graham just tweeted. i'm hopeful my colleagues will find a way to e reopen the government to find a solution on immigration, defense spending and many other important issues. we also just heard from john

cornyn, who also is expressing some optimism. he said u schumer wants to give people a chance to chew on it. that's why he didn't want to have a vote tonight. it's better to have a successful vote tomorrow at noon than a failed vote tonight. ron? >> cornyn was one of the most pessimi pessimist, so the shift in tone is noteworthy. you have to be realistic about what you can achieve through it. it is i don't think -- i think the evidence is clear. a shutdown cannot make a president do something he doesn't want to do. it didn't to bill clinton or barack obama. if they are able to get mitch mcconnell to reaffirm the commitment he's already made to jeff flake to get the vote on the tax bill. there will be a vote on daca. that will be a significant achievement. also kind of lost in the sauce here is that equally important. from any democrat has been reauthorizing the children's health insurance program. which has been allowed to twist

in the wind since september even while this massive tax cut was being passed. if you're able to lock that in, give up three weeks of continuing the government and knowing you'll have another bite of the apple on the dreamers, that does not seem to me i think there are going to be democrats that think it's a reasonable deal. there are plenty of hard liners inside who want to kind of have a line in the sand drawn. even if you believe that, this may not be the deal on which. >> you are shaking your head yes. do you agree? >> the democrats score a victory in addition flake and graham. >> how do you say it that way? >> i say it that way because they got mitch mcconnell, who was saying i will not negotiate as long as the government is shutdown. they got him to agree to

something. people may say this is just verbiage because it puts the honous now on republicans and the white house to do something about daca. now the democrats -- >> that's true because it wasn't a back-door deal that was said in private. this is something he put out before the american people. >> i agree with ron. it's just the nature of our government. it's often a winner take all system. the republicans control both houses of congress and the white house. if they don't want to help daca recipients, it's not going to happen. they say they want no and that's why the democrats and flake and graham were right to push this to the brink. >> now you're saying democrats may be overplaying. >> i think what you have now is an opportunity to keep the pressure on while having government function and reminding the american people

that the leadership of at least of the senate and the white house are committed to resolving the daca problem. now it may not happen. what could be the solution is that donald trump could issue an executive order and delay the impending end of the daca program through the election and let the american people in november decide what they want. we're a democracy. let's fight it out the way we should in a democracy. make it part of the election in 2018. but take -- what we have is hanging over the daca people. that's not fair. that should be removed. that's something that both houses of congress could ask of president trump. >> what do you think about that, ron? >> it's an interesting idea. i don't think the president is likely to do it, but it's an interesting idea. there are multiple layers of hostage taking here. the republicans saying democrats

are holding the government funding hostage to resolving daca. there's an argument for that. on the other hand, the president is holding resolving daca hostage not only to board. er security, but to an issue that's very different. reductions in the level of legal immigration. it's important to understand that's the biggest hangup at this point. certainly in the senate on resolving daca because you have had them move significantly toward the president saying they would be willing to put more money into border security and the wall. but the hard liners and this is where graham gets so frustrated, are also demanding reductions in legal immigration. the republican senators have proposed to cut legal immigration in half over the coming decades. so there are lots of different layers to this. and again. i think one big hangup for democrats is this history where -- >> we have jeff flake speaking. let's listen.

>> democrats can move that back. up to 12 hours. i guess we could go to 1:00 p.m. >> is that enough time to get a deal done? are democrats moving in a position they would feel comfortable moving for this? >> i would be surprised if there's anything other than what was introduced tonight, what the majority leader outlined tonight. we go the 8th instead of the 20th or 16th. and with an agreement that if we haven't reached agreement on immigration that e we go it on the floor. >> you think you can come up with an agreement by the 8th? >> i don't know. i hope we can. but i'm doubting it. because that relies on the white house to actually work with us on this. we haven't seen that yet. if we don't reach an agreement, that's what this is about. we have a commitment to move to immigration.

i don't think absent that commitment that e we would have moved to immigration on the senate floor. so the alternative would have been to get all the way to march 5th without a deal and then that would be just some kind of legislative extension of current daca. that's not good for anybody. >> will there be 60 votes? >> there are more votes needed, but if i had to guess, i do. i think that some of the democrats who voted no will vote yes. >> what does that allow? >> i guess the democrats want to meet in caucus before that time. that's all i can assume. i don't know why. i think we should have done it tonight. >> you have been meeting with democrats all day. do they trust mitch mcconnell when it comes to this issue in terms of the promise that immigration will come to the floor. >> there's a lack of trust. that's why i wanted to stand up

afterwards and reiterate and confirm what the leader has kmuted to. i do think given the high profile nature of this whole debate that it will be impossible for us not to move on to immigration. and the democrats still have the spending caps as leverage beyond this time. so i think we'll get there. >> do you think there are ten democrats that would vote for this? >> i don't want to speak for them. i have been speaking to them tonight and will speak to some tomorrow. i know that a few of them have expressed desire to move ahead, but. i don't want to characterize. >> do you call this progress compared to last night? >> last night, i don't know. i don't know if we have made progress since friday, since this is what we were pushing as an agreement friday. we're basically where we were.

democrats would have wanted emotion to proceed prior to the 8th. the problem with that is if you moved to proceed to the immigration bill, we still have to deal with the shutdown on the 8th and extend once again. another cr and more than likely and if we do that, then it boots the immigration bill off the flor in order to get it back. you have to have unanimous consent. >> how do you feel about the fact you're going into day three of the shutdown? >> i don't like it. i don't think anybody should like it. especially going into monday. it means more on a weekday than it does on a weekend. hopefully we can get it solved by noon. >> do you think the president could help if he came out and said he wants a daca bill vote the on before the 8th. would that make democrats think they could trust it? >> i don't think it makes a difference at all.

what we have seen unfortunately so far is the president saying thinking that's passed here i'll never sign this bill or that. i don't think it matters. i think what we saw tonight is an effort to have the senate be the senate again and regardless of where the president is, let's pass legislation and then see what he does with it. >> it seems like the president is entrenched in his position. senator schumer said he offered him full funding for the wall. the president is not going to agree to that, what's he going to agree to? >> on tuesday he had one position. on thursday he had another. some say at 10:00 a.m. he had one position and at noon he had another. so i think that we just have to move ahead. obviously, we'd like to get an agreement before the 8th and bring that to the floor. but if we can't, we have a commitment to move to immigration. everybody heard the majority

leader say that. that's why i stood up afterwards to reiterate to make sure people understand what it is and i'm sure there will be some other people going to the floor tomorrow to reiterate that agreement. >> 10:00. >> thank you, senator . >> that was senator jeff flake, he was a no on the additional spending bill on friday, he's now saying he will vote yes when they take up the bill tomorrow. let me get back to you and let you finish your thought or react if you would like to what we just heard. >> it's very much in point with what senator flake was mentioning. he was optimistic that he would get 70 votes for the daca bill in the senate, not only for tomorrow to reopen the senate, but on daca, we have been here before, in 2013, each time the

house republican majority refused to bring up the bill, even though it probably had 218 votes because it did not have a majority of the majority, the majority of their caucus. i do believe that is the question looming over us at the end of the road, whatever the senate does, will the house republicans vote for dac? in the house, the parties are representing two different americans. for the people that were foreign born, immigrants are below the national average, 60% of the democrats above the national average. they represent the parts of america least touched by this issue, and it's hard to get them on the same page as some of the state wide -- >> cnn political commentator just tuning in here, david, what do you think is the democrats'

next move? >> yeah, good evening, anna, so i'm with ron on this, picture if you're a member of the democratic -- a democratic member of congress and you're looking at what senator mcconnell just laid out there, you've been through 2006 where there was an agreement on comprehensive immigration reform that fell through. you've been through 2013 where the gang of eight bill was passed in the senate and house leadership would not bring it up for a vote even though the votes were there to pass it in the house. you've been through the 2013 shutdown, you've been through senator mcconnell, it's an unrelated issue, not letting president obama not appoint a supreme court justice in 2016. if you're going to agree to a three-week continuing resolution, you're going to come out on the other end with a

clean budget bill and an agreement on daca. i do agree with tim, that democrats risk getting out over their skis, yes, at some point they have to climb down from this position, but just two days into a shutdown with very little being offered by republicans, it seems to me that democrats have to play this out a little bit more. not taking sides on the issues, but just to see how much leverage they actually have. >> guys, let me read you what we're getting now from a top democratic aid who says, this is why schumer rejected the gop proposal tonight because the commitments to pick up the legislative issues in question were not firm enough. he points to the phrase, my intention, that mcconnell used more than once in his floor statement. they believe that was too vague at a time when democrats are insisting on ironclad commitments in return for hoping up the government. >> it's enough according to the

statement, it would be enough for the democrats that the republicans are willing to take it up. so it's the issue now do you believe mitch mcconnell when he says they will take it up. just the fact of taking it up is enough. now if graham and flake could take that back to mcconnell, perhaps we'll see a change in language. this is all very subtle and it's late on a sunday and it seems to me, you know, i don't know how we're supposed to parse this. but i want to get back to something that david and ron have both said. what i want to know is how do you game this out so the democrats have more leverage. let's say this goes on a couple of days, the only way the democrats would gain more leverage is if the american public shifted hard against donald trump and if polling started to show that. that is what you both assume. i think it's a fair bet that the american people will look at this and say, hey, the democrats, they actually moved the needle, why aren't they

being reasonable? i think there's a real, real risk for the democrats that if they don't start to look reasonable in response to movement. we're not naive people here. >> that's the calculus that everyone's trying to make. >> there's only so much you can force mitch mcconnell and paul ryan to do. >> when you bring up paul ryan, we haven't heard from him at all tonight, so regardless of what happens in the senate, when the government does reopen, when it comes to the immigration issue, they need paul ryan to take up the house negotiation because it hasn't worked before. >> this deal on the wall, it's not hard, i mean the wall is offensive and all of that and is probably not going to work, but it's $6 billion. that may sound like -- to me, to you, it's a lot of money. but for the federal government, it's not a lot of money.

it's half the cost of an aircraft carrier. you could throw that to donald trump. here, here's your wall. here's your money. now in return -- >> and he may take that because time is running out. i also think what's important to know, is that we don't know exactly what the president himself is willing to make a deal on. >> yeah. >> and that's something we also heard reiterated from jeff flake in those remarks he just made. thank you all for joining us. big night and it's going to be a busy day tomorrow. we'll see how all this plays out. the senate comes back in session at 7:00 a.m. stay tuned for continuing coverage of this shutdown. the cnn special report, trump's first year, reign of chaos.

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