clinch a deal has created the government shutdown. >> you can't blame donald trump for the senate democrats shutting down the government. >> regardless of where the president is, let's pass legislation and then see what he does with it. >> it seems to me we are trying to use our children as a political pawn. >> everybody wants to fund the military. nobody wants our soldiers not to be paid. >> both sides do it. i think the american people see through it. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> all right. good morning. welcome to your "new day". alisyn is off. the one and only poppy harlow here. thank you very much. >> good to be here. >> two for the price of one. we are in day three of the federal government shutdown. in just hours, the senate will have a procedural vote on a plan to reopen the government and fund it for three weeks. we got trouble, my friends. there are deep divisions over the fate of d.r.e.a.m.ers, failing to produce any compromise or really any details. what are the sticking points?

what do the sides not agree on? senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says he is willing to start debating immigration if there is no agreement by february 8th. why the delay? why the resistance of putting this in the spending bill. senate minority leader chuck schumer wants a firmer commitment. but he too has not been vocal about what the sticking points are. >> where has the chief been? very much on the sidelines during these heated negotiations. he is calling on mcconnell to trigger the nuclear option if the stalemate continues. that is not going to happen. the blame game on full display. both parties accusing the other of politicizing the other. live to suzanne malveaux on capitol hill. 7:01. anything yet >> reporter: nothing yet, poppy.

700,000 are told not to come to work. their paycheck deferred. lawmakers will return to work later. over the weekend, a group of bipartisan senators were trying to come up with a short-term deal to restart the government. a 1:00 a.m. vote was scheduled but scrapped when they realized they did not have the votes. >> well, let's step back from the brink. let's start victimizing the american people and get back to work on their behalf. >> reporter: the government shutdown entering day three, after senate minority leader chuck schumer rejected a proposal that would fund the government for three weeks in exchange for a commitment from the gop leadership to take up a separate future vote on immigration and the d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> we had several conversations, talks will continue but yet to reach an agreement acceptable to both sides. >> reporter: a top democratic aide tells cnn they did not give

a firm enough commitment to bring a vote. point to go mcconnell's vague language. >> it would be my intention to resolve these issues as quickly as possible. it would be my intention to proceed to legislation that would address daca, border security, and related issues. >> reporter: majority whip john cornyn says he's optimistic the senate will vote today to break the impasse. adding that schumer sought to push back the vote to give his caucus a chance to chew on the gop proposal. but a top democratic leadership aide disputes this claim, telling cnn they expect monday's vote will fall short of the 60 votes needed to reopen the government. >> there's enough blame to be around. i hope we can move from that and find a way to open the government up. >> reporter: both flake and graham announced they will now vote in favor of the three-week proposal, meaning seven more senators are needed to get on

board. one gop aide said republican leaders think they have a shot of picking off enough democrats to move forward. five red state democrats voted against shutting down the government friday joined with a bipartisan group of moderate lawmakers who worked furiously over the weekend negotiating the compromised deal. >> we recognize that ultimately it is the decision of mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer as to how to proceed. and we're not trying to preempt that but we are trying to be helpful in showing them that there is a path forward. >> reporter: senator graham pointing fingers at the white house over the impasse. >> the white house staff has been pretty unreliable. as long as stephen miller is in charge of negotiating immigration, we're going nowhere. he's been an outlier for years. >> reporter: deputy white house press secretary answering that

charge, saying as long as graham is on the side of those in the country illegally instead of u.s. citizens, they are going nowhere in terms of negotiations. in three hours they will gavel back to session and they will huddle to see if they can make any progress before the noon vote. chris? part of the problem is, suzanne, we don't know what the sticking points are. thank you for the reporting. trump is playing politics here. they are refusing to discuss a d.r.e.a.m.ers deal until democrats agree to end the shutdown. you see how pointless that is. they are holding firm because they want to negotiate the d.r.e.a.m.er deal. the president is urging senators to pull the trigger on the nuclear option to get a spending bill passed. kaitlan collins live at the white house. controversial enough that even the republicans don't like the idea. >> reporter: that's right, chris. it has been rejected by republican leadership. the main question today is where has the president been in all of

this? as you know, during the campaign, he fashioned himself as this deal maker in chief. but he has been largely absent and keeping a low profile over the weekend as these negotiations between democrats and republicans over on capitol hill were ongoing. but his aides were out in full force over the weekend blaming this shutdown, squarely putting the blame on the shoulders of democrats. and that blame trickled down to the white house comment line. and this is the message that people were getting when they phoned in. >> thank you for calling the white house. unfortunately, we cannot answer your call today because congressional democrats are holding government funding, including funding for our troops and other national security priorities, hostage to an unrelated immigration debate. due to this obstruction, the government is shut down. >> reporter: now there's that message. the question is what has the president been doing to break up the stalemate between democrats and republicans? chris and poppy, he has not

appeared in public since the government shutdown. he's only tweeted -- his main message on twitter has been to call to an end to that filibuster, something roundly rejected by republican leadership. and he has not made any republican remarks. the only thing on his schedule is intelligence briefing be lined closed doors. many are wondering if the president will spend his third day of the shutdown much like he did on the weekend, making calls, watching television, and tweeting. >> in the last 10 hours, the only thing he tweeted about is thanking people for saying he has done a great job. it is unusual for the party in power when they have their president in the white house, party wise, they are happy with less involvement. let's discuss. we have john avlon and david gregory. one thing seems to be clear to me, but check your own sourcing and reporting. this is not a negotiation about what the bill of love will look like, david. when they're talking about the

d.r.e.a.m.ers, it seems pretty clear based on the republicans and democrats i've spoken to, the republicans are resistant to any notion that d.r.e.a.m.ers become citizens is. they're haggling over, can they pay into social security? do they even get it if they do pay it? should there ever be a path to citizenship? are they permanent workers? this suspect bill of love, make them americans in some way. that is something people should know. >> right. and we should also remember our recent history in the immigration fight in washington. that a path to citizenship is often where the deals have been derailed. it's not just that. it is not the only sticking point. there is a wall. this issue of the lottery, of chain migration. they are all wrapped together. and the president has hard line staff who is not there. or maybe he likes that as a buffer to hold all of this up. but the pressure points here,

you have polling that indicates that while majority of americans want the dreamers to stay in the u.s., they want the governent to reopen. and that's more important, according to our polling. so democrats who think they are holding firm and holding onto the base, you have to look at the red state democrats who don't want to shut the government down and want to decouple these issues. you've got to look for later this morning to see whether there is something to the fact that mcconnell is saying we're going to get to this issue. just open the government back up. and this is important too, will he say, look, we in congress can debate this and legislate it. we can find our own compromise on the issue of the d.r.e.a.m.ers and immigration regardless of where the white house is. i'm not going to wait to find out what the white house will support. we'll just move forward. that's something democrats might be able to accept. >> this is a concession for mcconnell. the wall funding, schumer agreeing to 20 billion for the wall on that side.

john avlon, the question becomes, as david gregory brings up, is trust. do y do enough democrats trust mitch mcconnell when he said it is my intention that we will figure out this daca issue? >> the word intention is legal language. mcconnell is a man who prides himself on being a man of his word but in her chosen carefully. intention is washington weasel words. it is not an intention to do it. they have to move further with assurance. when was the last gang of eight deal done under the late obama presidency. the house blocked immigration reform. how does that work in all of this. the devil is in the details. we all get that. in principal, there has been an agreement to fund security and the border wall. the principal of dealing with the d.r.e.a.m.ers and dhaka. make some adjustment to family

reunification. maybe siblings aren't included. does the president want to make a deal, does he want to live up to his promise? does he want to pull a nixon in china or is he consent staying on at home and tweet on tv? there's only one president. he has to follow through and get everyone in a room or congress needs to say this guy is unreliable and we're going to do it ourselves. >> he that's the issue, right. because he had people in a room. it looked like he was in control. talked about a bill of love. and i'll take the heat. now all of a sudden he's shrinking off to tkaf on owdavo. does he have the juice within the white house to make a deal. he prides himself on being the big deal maker. i think the idea, and the more stories that are out there about him being held at arms length by his staff has to be driving him

nuts. that's where i would look for a breakthrough as well. >> forget about all the politics of personality and how he comports himself. there are a couple reasons why the republicans would be keeping him on the outside. one is he had been suggested, david and john, that he was open to the d.r.e.a.m.ers becoming citizens. >> very much so. >> and that seems to be a hard line in the negotiation right now. yeah, they can stay but they're not going to be americans. they are never going to be american citizens. that is a big bickering point. and he can hurt you in these places where his base is strong. they're worried about that. they're worried about him attacking them for what they are able to achieve. i don't get why he is allowing himself to be boxed out. what's your take on that? >> yeah. i mean, i'm surprised by that too. because i think that he wanted to get back up to the front of the line here. either he doesn't understand the issue well enough, he has serious enough disagreement. i think the role of john kelly

as chief of staff is important here. they are saying, look, mr. president, you have to remember, you care about x, y, and z. you can't forget all of that together. let's hold out. the more we hold out -- by the way, the more there is a split between the president and his hardline staff, maybe he gets a better deal in the end. democrats are already moving on this idea of giving more wall funding in order to take care of the d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> what are the optics of the president giving the state of the union address s. assume this doesn't get sorted. with the government potentially still shut down. a president four years ago said during the 2013 shutdown, obama has to get on this. it's all up to him. >> the president has been everywhere on every issue and there is a trump tweet for everything. what he said during 2013, what everyone in the current negotiations said is all being

exposed to situational ethic. god forbid the last one goes to the state of the union. that would be hanging the lantern on the incompetence of washington in the absence of leadership right now. >> what he would do most likely is crush the democrats for it, which would harden their resolve on on this issue where they believe they're right. however, we do have this recent polling saying people are sympathetic to d.r.e.a.m.ers. but look at this number. people don't see these as conjoined issues. keep it open and do daca. there's been a lot of focus on the process, not enough on the actual positions being taken in these meetings. we'll push for that today. gentlemen is, thank you very much. count skwroudown to a criti vote. will they vote today at noon to reopen the government. will more democrats support the gop plan to make that happen?

can they do that and maintain leverage to help the d.r.e.a.m.ers? tough questions. we have someone to answer them next.

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all right. we're less than five hours away to reopen the government and fund it three more weeks. it certainly isn't ideal, but it is all that's on the table right now. we have two democratic sources telling cnn they expect the vote to fall short. they are not confident mcconnell will follow on his pledge to debate immigration legislation. let's talk to a player in this situation. democratic senator ben card in of maryland. senator, thank you. >> it's good to be with you. thank you. >> do we have it right? does it look like this vote will not get democratic support today? >> well, i'm sure there are some discussions taking place between leader mcconnell and leader schumer. we will see how those discussions go. a lot of bipartisan discussions are taking place. leader mcconnell and speaker ryan delegated this to the

president. can the president get the yes? we will see if he can. we want a fair budget for our country. we take up issues that are critically important and have a pathway to get them resolved. i am hopeful we can see an agreement. democrats want to keep government open. we have tried. we have had unanimous consent requests rejected by the republicans. we want to make sure everyone gets paid. we have tried that also. we want to keep government open. we have to have a budget. four months into the fiscal year, it is time for a budget. >> so the democrats say, like you, that you want to keep it open. but you are the reason it has not been kept open because you hold the votes needed to keep it open. >> well, of course, you do play it any way you want to. for democrats and republicans, democrats want government to stay open. we have had unanimous consent requests. the government will remain open. it is critical important that we have a budget. you have to draw a line at some

point. you can't operate with continuing resolutions. we have heard that from the department of defense and other agencies. four weeks kicking this down can down the road. it's not helping anyone. >> i understand that. >> both republicans and democrats are saying that. >> the difference is why it hasn't been kept open and what the sticking points are. we are only hearing general ralts. i want to drill down on that. give me one quick insight. why did the republicans not accept the provision to vote on keeping the military getting paid during any shutdown? >> i can't answer that. you have to ask them that question. >> what are they saying about why that is not acceptable? >> this don't want to deal with piecemeal issues. quite frankly, the military and the nonmilitary shouldn't be

pawns in this fight. i offer unanimous consent is they all get paid. >> if everyone gets paid you don't really have a shutdown. 56% in the latest poll say these two situations, daca, the d.r.e.a.m.ers shouldn't be. you should do both but keep the government open. so what are the specific sticking points, senator? tell me, when you guys talk about the d.r.e.a.m.ers, what do the democrats want that the republicans don't want specifically? >> we want a pathway to get this resolved. d.r.e.a.m.ers need protection. president trump established this problem last september when he put a six-month deadline last november. >> help me understand. what does that mean you want a

path forward protection. what does that mean? are you asking to make d.r.e.a.m.ers citizens? >> we have a bipartisan agreement that has been reached by senator graham and durbin with enough support to pass the united states senate. we believe also the house of representatives. it does provide protection for d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> pathway to citizenship. what else, senator? >> well, we believe republicans will support that. what they want is something in exchange for that. the real hangup has been border security. over the last week we were able to make progress on the border security issue. we have an agreement on border security. we also have an agreement dealing with those in temporary protective status. there is a bipartisan agreement that would end this crisis. and would do it in a way that would protect the dreamers, protect those with tps status,

deal with concerns on chain immigration. that has been agreed to. we need it put on the floor and we believe it will pass. >> why hasn't it been put on the floor? >> the reason quite frankly is that they are insisting the issues not be brought up at this time. they want further concessions on other immigration issues that will make it impossible for us to get this done by march. the main issue is the budget. that is how much are we going to spend on defense and nondefense. that's the main issue. that is the negotiations that are taking place now the last four months. that needs to be resolved so we can get a budget. we can't operate on continuing resolutions. that's the the main issue. yes, we need to resolve the d.r.e.a.m.ers. yes, we need to deal with health

care beyond the chip program, children's health insurance program, we have therapy caps, there are other things that need resolved in health care. >> do you think you will get any of those more extenuating issues dealt with in a three-week c.r.? >> yes. each of these areas, there's been discussions taking place for over four months. wbl that we're in a good place to resolve all of these issues. what i've asked for quite frankly, keep government open. keep us in town. and let's get this issue resolved in the next week or two. i think we can get it done in the next week or two. can we pass all budgets by then? no. at least we know what the top line numbers are going to be. we can deal with the dreamers. we can get it done in the next two weeks. >> tell me as of right now where are ow a vote to reopen the government. and has the president been helpful in this process?

>> first, the president has not been helpful. every opportunity he has where you think you are moving forward, he changes his mind after he talks to someone else on his staff. so the president has not exercised the leadership we need from the president of the united states. that's why many of us believe when you start casting blame, president trump should have been much more engaged and could have avoided the shutdown. so we think it is his shutdown. where i vote is depending on how the caucus goes today. i think our caucus today will get an update from senator schumer. >> all right. make sure to remind senator schumer. obviously the minority leader is welcome on the show. we keep inviting him. 2013 he called what's happening right now madness, that it shouldn't be allowed to happen. remind him of that.

senator cardin, please let us know how it goes. you're always welcome welcome back to discuss these important matters. >> thank you. you will keep hearing from the left and the right that the white house is essential here. why suspect there more influence being exerted? why isn't the president more involved? we will get this as close to the seat is of power as we can. in primetime tonight, the man at the center of the shutdown, the budget director is the one who controls shutdown activities. mick mulvaney will join us at 9:00 p.m. eastern. vice president mike pence is in israel. he's about to address lawmakers there. what will his message be? this of course as the u.s. prepares to move its embassy to jerusalem. a live report ahead. ♪ upbeat music

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reopened. at least 21 people were killed, hundreds of homes destroyed or damaged in the mudslides that followed the deadly wildfires. house speaker paul ryan removing republican congressman patrick meehan from the ethics committee and ordering he be investigated after saying is he used money to settle a sexual assault complaint. she eventually left her job. meehan denies the allegations. right now vice president mike pence is in jerusalem about to address israeli lawmakers. the trump administration is of course preparing amid all of this moves towards jerusalem. live in jerusalem with more. what are we expecting to hear from the vice president? >> well, this will very much be the victory lap for vice president mike pence after a swing through jordan and a swing through egypt. here he was greeted as the man of the hour.

we don't expect anything out of the ordinary. what we expect is reaffirmation between the bond between israel and the united states, between benjamin netanyahu and president trump. we expect pence to talk about moving the embassy. that is expected to happen sometime in the next year or so. and then we expect pence to say trump is committed to a two-state solution and a peace process. that is something pence talked about in jordan and egypt. even though it seems to have sent plans off the rails. something else pence talked about while visiting american troops along the syrian border, he said blame the shutdown on democrats and said democrats are holding the military troops hostage in the shutdown. pence very much getting political here in his visit through the middle east. of again, this will be the victory lap. he has been greeted as the man of the hour. it's worth pointing out there are essentially two kinds of protests. first, arab members of knesset

and mahmoud abbas refused to meet pence is in brussels meeting with the eu pushing an entirely different vision. >> thank you for giving us the lay of the land. we know back here bipartisan senators are working to find a solution to reopen the government. one of those senators is chris kuhns. where do things stand? does he have any hope for progress? the vote today, next.

in just a few hours, the senate will hold a procedural vote to try to reopen the government and fund it for just three weeks. the crux of their job. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell promises to address protections for d.r.e.a.m.ers and says it is his intention to do so. democrats saying i don't know if i buy that. joining me is chris kuhns of delaware. part of this group of 20 senators working throughout the weekend with a few breaks for football here and there, trying toened the shutdown. we appreciate you being here. congratulations to your eagles. >> thank you, poppy. it was a great win. the vikings had an amazing season. >> it was rough for us, but congrats to us. a few basics today. do you think the government will reopen at any point today? >> i hope that it will. we should end this government

shutdown. what brought us in to this was the chaos of trying to negotiate with president trump over a number of important issues. as you well know, poppy, we have undone homework in the senate. we haven't resolved for months. funding disaster relief for hurricanes and wildfires, reauthorizes community health centers and the children's health insurance program, addressing daca and border security, and coming one an agreement -- >> but you could do that. >> we could do that. >> you could do that with the government open again. >> well. >> if you and some fellow democrats would get on board. as you know, five red state democrats have through february 8th. continuing resolution. you just talked to chuck schumer three minutes ago. so? >> i'll remind you what happened friday night that brought us in to this. we had an offer of a -- >> well, i'm asking you what he said this morning. we're all interested in what his position is at this point in time. that's the question. >> we are going to have a caucus

meeting where we will consider what is the final offer on the table from the republicans. i am hopeful we can move forward. but we need to have a commitment we can in fact, move forward on all of these things. it is progress that majority leader mcconnell said daca and border security are important, and we will proceed to them. what does that mean? if you're negotiating to buy a car, it is good enough to agree on the price. but at some point you have to look at the details. >> i will vote to reopen the government if -- what's the sticking point? >> if i can trust we will in fact, in the next three weeks resolve, and we're very close to having it resolved, children's health insurance program. we can do that today. community health centers, we can do that today. that there will be a vote on a strong bipartisan deal on daca and border security. and we can deal with investment in defense and domestic priorities. i'll remind you on friday the

department of defense said no more short-term c.r.s. we need to move forward with funding the department of defense. >> you sit on the tporpbs realizes committee. let's play part of what james mattis said also amid his concern in all of this. roll it. >> we do a lot of intelligence operations around the world. and they cost money. those obviously would stop. >> let's talk about your concern about funding defense, funding our military. he is saying, look, these are stopping right now because the government shut down. >> and i'll remind you we democrats offered a three-day c.r. so we could stay here all weekend, hammer out the details, reopen monday. that was rejected. and senator mccaskill offered an amendment that would ensure our armed forces got paid during any shutdown, there wouldn't be interruption for them. that was rejected.

there is not a lot of trust here. president trump very famously in a vulgar exchange more than ten days ago now rejected a strong bipartisan deal that would have moved us forward. if the president is not going to be constructive, we need him to stay out and let the senate be the senate and resolve it. >> he seems to be staying out of it. >> and republicans can rebuild some of that trust. >> we haven't seen him in three days. he has been tweeting to use a nuclear option. that's not going to happen if you talk to republicans. do you trust mitch mccouple when he said it is my intention to proceed on legislation that would address daca? he is saying keep the government open february 8th and past and i'll buy this. >> one of the challenges we have as a body, several members who are part of this negotiating group who famously had promises from leader mcconnell that certain things would happen.

>> like susan collins on health care. >> and the promises weren't kept. >> just yes or no, do you believe him when he says my intention is to address daca. >> i'm seeking reassurances from republicans in his caucus that they will also insist on this process on moving forward. i think we can get there today. i will continue working on it. but i've got to have trust that we are committed to solving all of these problems, which we can. >> do the numbers in the new cnn poll, which i know you have looked at, do those concern you at all? yes, overall 84% of americans want something done, a deal to protect d.r.e.a.m.ers. there is a difference in the bill when you talk about just renewing work visas or a path to citizenship. that's where you are stuck on this. it said many more americans say keeping the government open is more important to them than finding a deal for d.r.e.a.m.ers right now. that's at 34%. you look at those numbers, as you know, senator, it is across

young people, women, minorities. they say keep it number one priority. is that a risk for democrats? >> poppy, i think if you also ask the question, what is your highest priority, making sure we invest more in our department of defense while conducting combat operations around the world and investing more in domestic priorities like access to higher education. that would be even higher. >> do they show a risky path ahead? >> absolutely. >> do the numbers show a risky path ahead for democrats to not vote yes at least for a three-week c.r.? >> i think democrats need to show that we are willing to work hard across the aisle to move forward but that we are going to get these things resolved. we are months overdue in a republican-controlled congress in addressing things that affect tense of millions, hundreds of millions of americans from opioid, disaster relief,

community health centers, children's health insurance programs. we spent months, while republicans tried unsuccessfully to repeal the affordable care act to, pass a $1.5 trillion tax cut bill. that's what they have been doing, and they have left these important pieces of homework up done. i believe in the goodwill of the republicans. i've been negotiating with this weekend that we can get all of these done in the short-term. let's hope we can move forward today. >> let's hope you're right. let's hope it is today. you should stick around. someone from the white house is joining the program in just minutes. maybe you guys can talk on commercial break. we are going to have white house director of legislative affairs mark short. give us an update on what the president is doing right now and where his mind is in all of this, chris. >> right. now, we had said earlier in the show we couldn't get anyone on from the white house. that was true. since we said that, the white house has offered up mr. short, and we are happy to have him. it's never an empty promise. if people from the administration want to come on,

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tell my story. the victim impact statements are emotional and it is so obvious how lives were changed forever. >> reporter: from calm and control. >> without my knowledge or consent, i'd engaged in my first sexual experience by kindergarten. >> reporter: to anger unleashed. >> i feel dirty even after scrubbing my skin raw. by the way, i hope you enjoy the cold ones in prison. >> reporter: victims, parents. >> inmate nassar, inmate nassar, that is what your name is and don't you forget that. >> reporter: and even coaches. >> i've probably sent well over 100 kids to him over the years, so the guilt i feel for that is hard to -- hard to fathom. >> reporter: are being allowed to have their voices heard. >> we cannot undo -- >> reporter: because of one woman the sentencing judge,

circuit court judge rosemarie aqua lina. she's allowing those impacted by larry nassar's crimes to speak for as long as they'd like. >> you're nothing more than a disgusting monster. >> reporter: and have encouraged dozens of survivors to come forward including olympic medalists from around the country. >> i thought that training for the olympics would be the hardest thing i would ever have to do but, in fact, the hardest thing i've ever had to do is process that i'm a victim larry nassar. >> treatments with you were mandatory. you took advantage of that. you even told on us if we didn't want to be treated by you. >> you manipulated me into thinking you were the good guy in helping me while sexually abusing me over and over and over for your own twisted sexual pleasure. >> reporter: the judge addressed a six page handwritten letter by the defendant saying he didn't think he can could mentally handle the sentencing hearing and that she was biassed from

the beginning. >> your letter states now i'm having a four day sentencing media circus. i don't need any cameras. you certainly are free not to take my picture. i didn't orchestrate this you did by your actions and plea of guilty. >> reporter: speaking publicly about the abuse has been difficult for many of the survivors but for some it's part of beginning the healing process. >> i'm also here to tell you to your face larry that you have not taking gymnastics away from me. i love the sport and that love is stronger than the evil that resides in you. >> reporter: the hearing continues tomorrow and it is believed that on tuesday begins in about an hour, on tuesday, larry nassar will actually be sentenced and be able to speak to the court directly himself. poppy? >> reporter: thank you.

i am so glad you are here and continue to bring the stories to us. the women you saw are just a few of the more than 100 victims who told their story and stared him down. joining us now two women who have stood there, given their victim impact statements aloud in court. lindsey and kyle stevens who nassar started sexually abusing when she was 6 years old. i know it's so hard to be here. what you did in court is something i think -- it blew me away and i think any one would be hard pressed to find your courage. thank you for doing that. kyle, let me begin with you. watching you as you directly addressed nassar and you talked about all that he did to you but all that he has not taken away from you, where did you find that courage? >> oh, i've always had that courage. i mean, just to have the

opportunity to look your abuser in the face and tell him what he did to your life put that you're moving on and you're going to be stronger from it is one of the most empowering things i'vehad the opportunity to do. >> for people not familiar with what happened to you, the abuse you endured for years and years you were 6 years old and he was a family friend and he would come over to your house and in the basement of your home he would do this to you over and over and over again and you went to your parents and you went to other people and no one believed you. >> that's correct. just a quick correction. it was in the basement of his house with his family in the home as well, but yeah, no one believed me. i didn't divulge all the details of the abuse, obviously as you can see from everyone who has pokeen out, those details were uncomfortable and being a -- sorry -- i was not -- when i disclosed i was in 6th grade so i was 12 years old but being that young and your body is changing and everything, you're

pretty uncomfortable talking to your parents about those parts of your body. >> yeah, of course. >> lindsey, for you also went to people and you told them over and over again this is happening, this is happening and you pointed a lot of your angry not only at your abuser but also at michigan state university, at the president of the university calling her out saying where were you? >> yes. i just think the most frustrating thing was i went to my head coach at the time and i didn't go into detail about the treatments, i didn't think that was necessary at the time and she responded back to me and she said, well, before you go and give your statement to the police you need to make sure that you need exactly what was happening to you and i needed to do my research. and to me that was just unbelievable because she sat there and said to me, you know, this is a medical treatment. so she knew it was happening but she still defended larry and, you know, this is part of the

reason why we're in this situation that we're in is because these people instead of just listening and believing these kids that are telling them things, they just assumed that -- they questioned us to make us think that we don't know what we're talking about to protect him. >> kyle, you filed charges. you went over and over again raising your hand, your voice saying help me, help me essentially. why do you think no one was listening, not only to you to more than 100 women? >> i think they wanted their golden boy. he was their golden boy. he was their poster child for look what michigan state health can do and look how great we are and they wanted to protect him. >> so the blame, a lot of it, lindsey you put it on michigan state. what should happen to these folks? larry got a 60 year sentence. he'll get a much tougher sentence on top of that. what should happen to the folks in power at michigan state

university and usa gymnastics? >> i think they should clean house. i don't think that, you know, the way that luanna simon has acted toward the situation she's never going to recover if she's still here to try to say that. i can fix my reputation and i can gain these peoples' trust back it's never going to happen. the only way that -- the right way to go about it would have been for her back when she very first knew about it to take action and she didn't and that goes the same for kathy and all the other people who are being held accountable or should be held accountable i should say and they aren't. they would rather cover up their reputation than try to help us. it hurts and it's really sad for us. >> kyle, let's talk about what accountability means now. are there other people you think should go to jail? >> kroni don't know. i'm not a prosecutor. there's people that need to be held accountable for their actions whether that's a civil lawsuit or criminal court.

something needs to happen. that's cathy clagus. we're talking about who's larry that is sar's boss? we don't even know who that is. where is the transparency. in 2014, he was supposed to have restrictions and those never got enforced. it doesn't take very long to figure out where that broke down but we've never heard of it and it's been a year and a half. >> and one of the things that kyle has said, lindsey, is that these entities, these powerful organizations, michigan state university, usa gymnastics are holding all of these women back from healing. as people are watching this morning, that could have been my daughter, that could be my daughter at the hands of something else -- someone else, what can happen now in your opinion, lindsey? what can happen now? you can't right what happened, but how can history change moving forward?

>> i think the way that history needs to change is just that we need to change the way that people respond to children when they cry for help and, you know, people take advantage of little kids because they think that we're not smart enough to understand what's happening and we must be mistaken it needs to change. when a child comes to you and they need help, just help them. they're not trying to get attention, they're not trying to be mean to somebody else. they know that somethings wrong. these organizations like usa g when you see these children that are working so hard to reach their goals and they're willing to do anything and you're willing to put them through anything to do it and that's not fair to them and it's the same way where, you know, larissa said she felt honored to have cathy as a coach and when someone looks up to you like that and you betray them, that wrecks somebody and it goes to show that this happened to some people 20 plus years ago and you hear in court today, you can still hear how angry they are and feel the mood in the room.