statements, and we'll be following your future. kaylee, sterling, thanks so much for being here. >> thank you. senators working together can resolve in positive action. >> there's no way. that i got a bretter deal than expected. >> what we're going to see is wasted time. >> people white-knuckled wondering when the democrats were going to grow up so we can reopen negotiations on what they say they care about, daca. >> he certainly was not there making a deal. >> he's going to be key to any solution going forward. a new report says jeff sessions has been pressuring the head of the fbi to take action against his deputy. >> here you have the current fbi director saying i'm not going to fire the deputy director, i

don't see cause. >> what he's doing is very irresponsible. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning. this is "new day." hundreds of thousands of federal workers are back to work today. democrats surrendering in return for assurances that the senate will take a vote on immigration in the coming weeks. democrats now face backlash from members of their party who are saying they didn't stand up for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> so congress will be back today, but, again, on the brink of another showdown six days from now when the government runs out of money again. plus, there's this bombshell report that reveals the fbi director christopher wray threatened to resign over pressure from the president and the attorney general to fire his deputy andrew mccabe. so we have all of this covered

for you. let's begin with cnn's kaitlan collins. she's live. >> good morning. the government is back in business. there's little to suggest that the underlying dynamics of why we had this shutdown in the first place has change and there could be a showdown between lawmakers in just three weeks. president trump touting the end of the government shutdown is a big win for republicans. in signaling a willingness tweeting, see you at the negotiating table. sources tell cnn that mr. trump is eager to rebut criticism that he did little to help end the shutdown. >> the great deal-making president sat on the sidelines. >> aides say mr. trump's low profile was intentional, the

white house saying the president had an impact but offering little clarity about mr. trump's position about the path forward for d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> does it not matter to the president? >> i think that's part of the negotiation process, but right now, again, we want a permanent solution for that program. >> the chairman of the republican congress telling the chairman mr. trump is key. >> his role will be an important one and i expect that we'll be hearing from him early and often once these discussions get under way. >> sources tell cnn the deal to reopen was due in part to senate majority leader mcconnell to hold a meeting in the coming weeks. >> it was a much more explicit commitment and that's what i think made the difference. >> but minority leader schumer's decision to concede and accept mcconnell's commitment prompting backlash from progressives including the 16 democrats who voted against the short-term

resolution. >> i do not trust him at all. he has promised lindsey graham, susan collins, jeff flake, made promises, commitments that he has not honored. >> distrust in washington is nothing new. it now extends to the fbi giving the public war with the top law enforcement agency. a new report claims that the fbi director christopher wray threatened to resign from attorney general jeff sessions to fire the fbi director's outgoing direct ler andrew mccabe. president trump has repeatedly targeted mccabe over his handling of the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. suggesting mccabe is biased and questioning why sessions has not replaced him. the white house insisting in a statement the president supports director wray but asserting that political leaders have tainted the fbi's reputation. now, chris and alisyn, the president is up this morning. he's on twitter tweeting about

the missing employees' text messages that are at the cross hairs of the justice department investigation and saying in one of the biggest stories in a long time, the fbi now says it is missing five months worth of lovers strzok/page texts, perhaps 50,000 and all in prime time. wow. of course, that's smeg attorney general jeff sessions has promised to get to the bottom of after they've raised questions. >> kaitlan, thank you very much. let's speak with chris cillizza and john avlon. this is his most recent tweet. he took a victory lap this morning saying the dems cave and nice stuff that helped negotiation. but his intentions, john, to go after the fbi tox even go after one of the employees by name, plus/minus? >> minus because he's actually

-- it's self-evidently attraction and distraction, which is what the pretty does. first of all, there's a tsunami warning on the west coast. it would be nice to hear from the president of the u.s. on that. hopefully it comes to nothing. calling this the biggest story in a long time doesn't even begin to comport with reality. the senate just kicked the can three weeks, right? so there's an opportunity for the president to get a big win show. he's the dealer he always promised to be, pull a nixon in china and get something big. he should be focused that, but he can't help himself from distract and reflect. that's what a lot of t the #releasememo is all about. >> why is that? he says it was a loss for democrats. why is the president deflecting today or changing the conversation to the fbi? >> because i think he only really worked on the attack.

he -- i think he sees himself best when he is being aggressive. and when he is the aggrieved party, for all of donald trump's talk, we need to be tougher, we need to make america tough, we're bad in negotiations, he is someone who has a victim complex. everything sort of -- this is to john's point about being presidential and what after an earthquake off alas contact last time i checked is one of 50 states and a tsunami threat on the west coast, what you do, do you watch television and tweet about it or do you do that? you know? again, i this i this is part -- particularly as it relates to the fbi, it's part of a much broader pattern. obviously he fired the fbi director in jim comey. he has pressured jeff sessions, the head of the justice department. he's made fun of him publicly. he's beleaguered, says he doesn't stand up for him enough. donald trump thinks everyone

works for him. he's still working off that trump organization model, that everyone is his employee and is doing his bidding up to and including law enforcement which has traditionally had sort of its own carveout with the government. >> just to insert a fact, it was said they're trying to get sessions in next week. this could be a pretty tough interview for him about if this happened, why did it happen, why would you get involved with this guy when you're supposed to be recuse. that could be one thing. politically, isn't this a no-brainer? this lines up like the hillary e-mails. where did they go? it plays to every one of the themes he likes to hammer. >> it's catnip for the trump base, there's no question about it. they get to muddy the rhetoric. this is all against the backdrop of the russian investigation and

the backdrop of the republicans increasingly figuring out if they're going to be the patsy attacking the law enforcement. that's a serious thing for those who always have law enforcement's back because that's going to be coming to a head. if folks are doing things at the president's behest that's not in the best interest of the nation, that's a problem. of course, the conservative base is going to try to pump it up. how much are russian bots trying to pump its up? >> a lot apparently. >> absolutely. >> can i make a quick point on that comparison, just echoing john? donald trump was a candidate for president at that point, okay? he is now the president of the united states, and the fbi falls within his purview. we have never seen -- again, there's such a tendency and it's so difficult to not point out every single thing that he is doing that is different, but

this is wildly different. he has insinuated the cia, the fbi, the justice department, all these organizations, at one point or other, he's suggested are corrupt from the inside out and are aiming to get him in some shape or form. he's the president. he's not a candidate. he's the person representing all of the federal government to the american people and he is essentially pushing and flowm t flowmentinflowmen flowmenting ideas. >> how does all of this playing? democrats sometimes can get distracted by the president's tweets and try to figure out what he means or get bogged down in it. but they're supposed to get back to the order of business. this promise is about immigration. what's going to happen on capitol hill? >> if focus is going to be they've got a three-week sprint to do something for the american people and d.r.e.a.m.ers.

both sides have to givet a the end of the day, if the system is working, the folks on the far right won't be happy. they need to get something done for the d.r.e.a.m.ers and do something to satisfy the president. that's why i think the strength of the center was hopeful, but the clock is ticking as of now. we know the dates certain this needs to be done. get to work. are they going to release the memos to attack the mueller investigation? yes. but for the senate, don't lose window and sight, we've got to do something for the american people. >> how do you get them to support the bill? >> steve scalise, the house majority whip, third ranking -- >> left the hospital just to come vote. we wish him well. >> we gave an interview. i was looking at it before i

came on. he said, we feel -- i'm pair a fragz. we feel no need to take up what the senate promised. you know, we're doing our own thing. and i think all indications are they may well try to pass a more aggress i aggressive legal immigration bill to stake their ground. think that's the fundamental flaw in the deal that chuck schumer cut, which is this assumption that just becauselet he's good to his word. you have house republicans who are considerably more conservative than their senate republican colleagues. so i just think even if it gets through the senate, this face as very uncertain future. circle february 8th because we're going to be back where we were. >> does paul ryan want

deportation of d.r.e.a.m.ers on his watch? >> fair point. >> you can come short of that and still not have the d.r.e.a.m.ers as american citizen, not have them feel the security they want and democrats want to fight for. we'll see. >> john avlon and chris sill lizza, thank you. commonsense caucus. will they be able to make another deal on funding and immigration in 16 days? senators angus king and mike rounds join us next. so, you can watch all your netflix favorites on your new samsung phones. join the un-carrier and get a samsung galaxy s8 free. all on america's best unlimited network. you feel better. introducing tommie copper's all new shoulder centric

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all is well. the government back open for business today and at least for 16 more days, but the showdown over funding, government, the battle over d.r.e.a.m.ers, security, appropriations, it all has to happen in the next two weeks. are we going to ba b back down here or be on the brinksmanship once again. >> joining us, both men were involved in bipartisan

negotiations to reopen the government and voted yes. gentlemen, good to see you both. >> good to see you. >> angus, what can you get done in the next two weeks? >> first i want to say the one single factor that probably pushed us over yesterday is you wore your lobster tie and that gave us the mojo. >> thank you for the tie. i wore it in the spirit of bipartisansh bipartisanship. >> it worked. where do we go from here. i think it was important to have this group of 20, 25 senators that basically were pushing on the leaders in both directions to try and find a solution. now as you say, we've got three weeks to put up or shut up and it's going to be hard. i've had two meetings yesterday afternoon on border security. got another one scheduled this afternoon. we're serious about trying to make this happen. it's not going to be easy. we've got people on both sides, both caucuses that are suspicious of what's come out. then we have to deal with the house and the president.

frankly i think our best bet is to get a really good by partisan bill, 60 votes out of the senate and then they have to sit up and say, hey, there's a solution, let's take it. >> pretty good disconnect with between the senate and house especially when it comes to the d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> there could be, but we think if we do a good job of combining that with border security, toss in perhaps h2 bs, they would come up with a president and if the senate endorses it, it would make it difficult for your the house to ignore it. we recognize as republicans and democrats the d.r.e.a.m.ers is not going to go away and we have to address it not because it's the right thing do but because politically it's the right thing do as well. >> are you looking at one big omnibus bill door you think you'll break it into parts, angus? >> i think it's important to be clear. on the budget part, i think what we're looking at is agreement on

breaking the caps, setting what they call the top line number, how much will be appropriated. at that point, nobody will be surpris surprised. there will have to be another continuing resolution of three weeks for the appropriation committees to actually write the details on the budget. a lot of that work has been done. but that's what we're talking about is an overall number and then the allocations between defense and the faa and the department of agriculture. a lot of that work can be done and can be done by in general february 8th and the final paperwork will be done in the next two weeks. if we can do that, and we're talking two-year numbers, that will be a big break through in terms of getting our work done and finally starting to at least think about doing budgets as they ought to do. both mike and i are very upset. one of the reasons i voted no on this bill the other night was i'm sick and tired of continuing resolutions and not making

decisions when we're supposed to. >> well, you were a governor. you don't get to shut down on the state level the way you do on a federal level. usually it's not allowed. in terms of -- i hear you on all the bujd tair stuff. that's one. it sounds like this immigration will be a separate negotiation, the president will loom large here. i just want to remind people where he has been and left on this issue. >> we're working on a plan for daca. people want to see that happen. you have 800,000 young people brought here. >> this should be a bipartisan bill. it should be a bill of love. truly it should be a bill of love and we should do it. >> i will immediately terminate president obama's illegal executive order on immigration immediately. >> we're always talking about d.r.e.a.m.ers for other people.

i want the children growing up in the united states to be d.r.e.a.m.ers also. >> we don't know where he is. he basically just put out an ad saying people who come in here illegally are all bound to be terrorists. what do you think? will you have to break off? there's plenty there, and this will be a second bill? >> no. i think what you have to so is in good faith work through the issues of immigration, and that includes border security. and if you can make headway on that and i think if the dems recognize that there's a serious attempt here and we honor our commitment to move foorksd then they have to honor their side of it, which is to keep the government open. that's the condition. at the same time, i think the president has given himself plenty of leeway in which to negotiate. that's a good thing. at the same time, he wants a win as well on the border security side. a lot of republicans, americans, want to make sure when we do this, we do it in such a fashion that we actually secure the borders. but even more important than that, we provide evidence that we can actually reduce the

illegal immigrants coming into the country long-term. that's not just border security. it's also talking about what our laws look like with regard to how they're interpreted with the border. it's a lot of folks from a lot of different countries who come into the country. we've got to have some consistency across the board with how we deal with those individuals. >> there's one other important point i think that's largely missed that mitch mcconnell said. all last week and the last several weeks, he said, we're waiting for the president. he said if we don't know what the president signs, we're just spinning our wheels. as of yesterday, he said we're going to talk this bill up on february 8th if it's not resolved then. that was it. they're going to come to a conclusion and hope the president joins. now, if the president wants to join in good faith ultimately politically, i don't think

there's much doubt that whoever's going to get through the house has to have the president's blessing, and i think that's going to be part of the sort of second stage. my hope, frankly, is that he steps back, let us work on it here, let us come up with a proposal, again, involving daca and border security, and i think we can come up with something pretty good that he can endorse and we can get it done. >> which is what happened over the weekend where the president basically stepped back, allowed negotiations to go on and we were getting to a conclusion, at least on a temporary basis. >> right. we'll see what happens. maybe it's a talking stick away. maybe bring that susan collins talking stick. are you going to tell me? who threw the stick? who threw the stick and broke susan collins' elephant. was it you? >> i wasn't in the room. i have nothing to say. >> here we go. senator rounds, were you there? >> i was there. >> who threw the stick?

>> we'll leak it for -- >> let me say in subsequent meetings, we used to nerf ball. it was a lot safer. it did break the ice, i've got to admit that. it broke a few things but it did break the ice as well. >> there's nothing like a good stick it to the head to make people focus more clearly. before i let you go, senators, give me your take on the all right out of axios that the president was pressuring sessions to pressure wray to get rid of mccabe, one of the senior agents there at the fbi who is on his way out. angus, what do you make of that report and what does it mean to you if true. >> there's this sorts of unwritten rule. the justice department and fbi do work for the president, but there have been a lot of unwritten rules and written rules, like the term of the fbi director is ten years. clearly overlaps the president.

that's designed to protect the independence of the fbi. so it's unsettling, frankly, if you have the executive leaning on law enforcement because they don't like somebody or they're afraid. and as one of your come men tarots earlier this morning said, fbi are people, they vote, they have preferences, and it's impossible. they're not automatons. i think leaving the fbi alone is probably the best policy and it doesn't help in this situation. >> senator rounds, are you on the same page? >> you know, similar except for one thing. it does remind us that even though we're all human and we've all got our own points of view, when it comes to the justice department, it's got to be even handed. that means you can't play favorites either way. >> sure. you've got snow proof of the unfairness. senators, i appreciate the insight. i don't believe, angus, that you don't know who threw the stick.

senator cain, nothing but respect for you, but i want you to know, i don't buy it. be well, gentlemen, and please check back with us when you're starting to make progress and you see what the pitfalls are. let's have some transparency for the american people. >> thank you. >> all right. what is next is the big question. where are the lines? what is the chance for progress? what will be the setbacks? we'll take it all on for you tonight in prime-time at 9:00 p.m. eastern. >> meantime some democrats did not vote for the short-term fix to reopen the government. how do they feel today? senator blumenthal joins us live.

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senate democrats are plotting their path forward. they voted to reopen the government on assurances from republicans that d.r.e.a.m.ers will not be forgotten. so do democrats believe their republican colleagues? let's bring in democratic senator richard blumenthal. he voted against it. good morning, senator. >> good morning, alisyn. >> why did you not want to

reopen the government? >> i voted against this resolution because it's another stopgap three-week patch that, in effect, kicks the can down the road, undercots our national defense, opioid treatment, national defense and fails to protect the d.r.e.a.m.ers and i am skeptical about the promises made on the floor of the senate by the majority leader. i'm hoping that my democratic colleagues who voted to favor this continuing resolution are actually right, but we'll see in the next three weeks. >> but help us understand what went on behind the scenes. why did the democrats who voted for this trust the republicans and mitch mcconnell on monday, yesterday, when they didn't on friday. >> to have this promise made on the floor of the senate, even though i'm skeptical about it, they're more optimistic, i think is a very public commitment. it fails to guarantee that there will be passage and protection

of the d.r.e.a.m.ers, which i fault it for. it fails to guarantee a vote in the house or approval by the white house. and i lived through the 2013 comprehensive immigration reform. in fact, i helped to draft and champion it. it passed overwhelmingly in the senate by 68 votes. and then the house never even voted on it. so that's part of my reservations, but, again, i will be holding the speaker -- the majority leader accountable. we're all going to be negotiating on a bipartisan basis and hoping that we not only provide protection for the d.r.e.a.m.ers and a packth to citizenship but also funding the military and nonmilitary needs, and that's very, very important. >> do you think senator chuck schumer caved? >> senator schumer took the best course and a responsible one

that he could, and i'm more interested in who's hurt than who's blamed. i'm more skeptical about the majority leader's promise, but we're united in the goals that we have, and senator schumer has been very admirable and responsible in leading our caucus. >> i know you don't want to play the blame game. i get it. but the only reason i ask this question is we're going to be back here three weeks from now unless something changes and we've learned a lesson. so is it fair to say the shutdown -- the government shutdown for democrats backfired? >> again, who's hurt is more important than who's to blame. the promise by the majority leader is very important. and the principle that was established that we believe that the d.r.e.a.m.ers deserve this protection, i think, highlighted it for the whole nation. the nation now, a vast majority, is in favor of providing the

d.r.e.a.m.ers with a path to citizenship. they're aware of the plight of these young children here brought through no choice of their own. >> they didn't think shutting the government down was worth it. at the end of the day, that's what the country thought, that we didn't think the gambit worked. >> let's get one thing. there's no such thing as a good shutdown. nobody wanted it except maybe the president called it a good shutdown. opening the government was a common goal, and we have common goals now of going forward and holding the majority leader accountable. he must keep his promise that was made on the floor of the senate in everybody's view several times, and that provides a by sasis for going forward. >> yeah, listen. i'm sure he'll keep his promise but the devil's in the details.

are you going to have to give president trump his funding for his border wall in order to get a deal? >> a border wall is a waste of money, squandering millions of dollars on an ineffective border security solution is really rep hencibl reprehensible. there are ways we can strengthen the fencing that exists and maybe extend it. if the mexicans are not going to pay for the border wall as donald trump promised, we won't support it in the way he has proposed. >> are you calling it border security and he's calling it a border wall and it's going to be the same at $18 billion? >> you know, as part of the agreement in principle that the president reached with schumer, he was willing to put the border wall on the table, call it a border wall, provide the funding

for it, and donald trump initially agreed to it and then backed away, was pulled away by his right wing. we're willing to compromise and be reasonable because the paramount goal is protecting those d.r.e.a.m.ers. these young people are in fear. they live in anxiety and anguish. they're afraid to go to police when they're victims of domestic abuse. they're afraid to use health clinics. this kind of situation for 800,000 young people in this country is a violation of the promise we made to them. great nations keep their promises. >> very quickly, senator, i want to ask you about the axios reporting that the president and attorney general jeff sessions have been pressuring the fbi director christopher wray to get rid of the deputy director andrew mccabe. is this appropriate? and why is jeff sessions involved? hadn't he recused himself from these sorts of things? >> highly inappropriate for the

president to be interfering with law enforcement and telling the direct ore f the fbi even through his attorney general what to do about staffing the fbi. both of these individuals are professionals, they're dedicated to public service, and jeff sessions ought to be recused from this kind of interference with potential ramifications for the special counsel. so it is highly inappropriate. my hope is that attorney general sessions will, in fact, back off as the reports indicated that he has done. >> senator richard blumenthal, thank you very much for giving us your perspective on "new day." >> thank you, alisyn. coming up we talk with mick mulvaney and two senators. chris. >> he's been in the senate since 1979. brought to this country by his parents.

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we're following breaking news. a massive earthquake off the coast of alaska triggered tsunami watches and warnings up and down the west coast.

cnn's dan simon is in san francisco with the latest. dan. >> reporter: good morning, chris. this definitely had folks on their toes this morning when you had this major earthquake off the coast of alaska. you had much of the entire western united states, at least the coast of the united states that was under a tsunami watch. we're here along ocean beach in san francisco. you have this three-mile beach with ocean behind me. we've been looking at the ocean to see if there's been any sort of activity. at this point, chris, we can tell you that the watch here in washington and the entire region has been canceled. as for what is happening in atlantic, they're now under a tsunami advisory. obviously you had folks evacuate. things are said to be calm now because of this watch or advisory has now been issued. but certainly folks were anxious. but for now, just watch your local news. if you live in alaska.

and we'll keep you updated as furtherer developments warrant it. >> thank you so much for that. now to a cnn exclusive. president trump is expected to invite french president imemmanl macr macron. what have you learned? >> he's hosted world leaders at the white house and mar-a-lago but he's the first pretty in many, many decades in his first year who has not pulled out all of the stops for an exclusive glittering state dinner. sources say that's all about to change. the plans have changed and the lucky winner is france. this has not been made official. it could be in the spring. this has been announced while the president is traveling in davos. but they have had a strange relationship punctuated by a couple of extremely long and

very grippy handshakes. early on macron seemed to relish trolli trolling trump on twitter. and he started his own campaign "make the planet great again." all of that changed. trump complimented macron's wife's figure and he told macron he's like to see something in american military might down pennsylvania avenue that hasn't happened yet and maybe never will. they have a very direct relationship and sources tell us trump sees macron being similar to him in some ways despite all of their differences. he sees him as a disrupter and somebody who's not afraid to speak out bluntly. back to you guys. >> michelle kosinski, that will

be interesting to watch. when it comes to immigration, people are saying, look, nobody's getting thrown out, everybody's fine. you heard about jorge garcia who was brought here at 10, he was torn from his family and taken to mexico city. that was real. now to another story. a respected doctor who has lived in the united states for over 40 years, he's being detained by deportation officers. he had a temporary green card. he later became a lawful permanent resident. his wife and sister are asking why him. they're fighting to keep him from being sent back to poland, a country he does not know and where they have no family. >> he's an excellent physician, he's loving, he's caring, he's an honorable husband and he's always helping others.

>> he's the person i call when anything never goes wrong or right and now i can't. this breaks me up. >> what is this about? he was convicted of misdemeanor theft 25 years ago. he agreed to a state plea deal for first-time offenders to keep his criminal record clean. that deal is not recognized by federal authorities. so according to a federal notice, crimes involving, quote, moral turpitude, do make him eligible for deportation. >> how does this make any sense? when the administration sid they were going after the hardened criminal, violent criminals, how does moral turpitude from 25 years ago make any sense for a practicing working doctor? it doesn't make any sense. why is he being targeted? because he broke the law. they say your invitation is only

as good as the law you respect and he broke the law. the degree of the offense and the disruption that it will cause does not seem to be fair under the law. >> he's a lawful permanent resident. >> anybody short of a zichbt is vulnerable when it comes to the law and infractions based on its rules. that's why the debate matters so much. >> feel free to weigh in on our cnn page. did the president's personal lawyer break the law by reportedly paying a porn star to keep quiet about her alleged affair with president trump? we have a debate on that next. jake!

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cnn political commentator ana navarro and matt schlapp. good to see both of you. matt, here's their thinking. they say these funds were paid, and this is what the non-profit group says, for the purpose of influencing the 2016 election and they were considered a campaign expense and they were not reported. your thoughts? >> i don't have many thoughts on this. i don't even know what we know. they're basing this on a publication like tmz, a gossip publication. >> there's been other reporting "the wall street journal," which is not tmz. but wall street journal has -- >> hold on. >> do you read "intouch "qwe." >> i don't read "in touch." >> they have determined that there was this llc, this sort of shell account that michael

cohen, the president's daughter funneled through to stormy daniels, to her lawyer. do you think "the wall street journal" is legit? >> with all due respect with everything going on in the country, i thought we were going to talk about immigration reform, and i thought we were going to talk about the shutdown and fund the government in two weeks. >> and on an article on "in touch" magazine. >> conservatives don't care anymore about extra marital affairs? >> we especially care about it when people use the government which the clintons did, to use their government power to try to silence women. >> okay. but you don't -- matt, hold on, let me get a word in. >> you want to delve into the sex lives of everyone in politics. i do not. >> you don't care. you don't care if a candidate used campaign funds? >> allison.

i care about a lot of things. >> yeah. >> i just think with everything going on in this country, all of the issues we have to face, i listen and watch your show. i respect you. we really going to talk about an article from "in touch" magazine, a magazine i don't even look at. >> we are talking about "the wall street journal." we can spend this time in a more effective way and we can be scrutinizing of trump, but really, this? >> matt, so you don't care anymore about a candidate's extra marital affairs and you don't want to talk about it anymore. how convenient. >> i didn't say i don't care, i said with all of the public policy questions. >> yeah. >> backburner this one. >> ana? >> oh, sweetheart, can you get me a vat of popcorn and i'd like to sit here this morning and watch the entertainment going on. the bottom line is it's true. people don't care. christian conservatives don't care. ink it's part of what the donald trump effect has been.

there was this great skit on "saturday night live" over the weekend. does it even matter anymore? >> it should matter -- if a candidate paid $130,000 to a porn star, let's use it hypothetically for an affair and didn't disclose it, were those campaign funds? should those be considered campaign funds?3 should the fec look into it? >> i think there is the issue that needs to be answered about in-kind donation, but the political question is do people care, and the answer is there is a scandal du jour. there used to be soup du jour, with this president there is a scandal du jour. it's like going to the butcher shop, you have to take a number and a lot of us care more about russia and his racist comments and fixing immigration rather than if he got spanked on the butt with a "forbes" magazine. what i want to know is who was

on the cover? we are on the level where it doesn't matter anymore because there is so much. >> are we -- >> we are at this point, that these things are -- this is all very up fortunate. >> look, allison. what is your magazine of choice, matt? >> to get spanked on the butt, ana? >> i would want your picture on it, is that a deal? >> oh, my goodness gracious! >> i think this is an outrageous waste of time. >> did you think it was an outrageous time for john edwards when there were reports about john edwards. >> he did use campaign money, allison. >> and aren't we trying to find out whether donald trump did the same? >> i watch your show. it's not like you don't have enough material to talk about on the public policy question. >> so why don't you want to talk about this one, matt? >> no matter who commits wrongdoing in the country, i think law enforcement should go after it. >> they're looking into it which is why this non-profit group wants to look into it. >> but allison, don't try to box us into this idea that we're

hypocrites just because -- >> why not? >> because we want to focus on the issues of the day. >> and you said the issue of the day was john edwards you were happy to talk about it, but not now. that's all i'm pointing out. >> i wasn't invited on your show to talk about it. >> after a year of everything that we see at the fbi and all of this question and special counsel on. >> can i tell you? >> when you -- [ indiscernible ] >> you don't want to talk about it. >> you've wasted four minutes. >> can we imagine in 50 years when children are studying history of the trump administration, can you make this up? stormy daniel, you know? him getting butt spanked with the cover of a magazine. >> you don't believe it? >> just to get you on the record. i don't believe it, matt? >> i don't believe when people tell me "in touch" magazine has a scoop i'm dubious. do you think that's unwise of me to be dubious about "in touch"

magazine? do you believe "the wall street journal" scoop. >> people write stories on other stories. go back to the original story. >> they have the reporting about llc and michael cohen paying $130,000. that is "the wall street journal's" reporting, matt. >> my point is this, allison, if there is campaign violations, if there are campaign violations, the fec will look at it. in the meantime -- >> i want to come to donald trump. >> when it comes to donald trump what we saw during the campaign and we continue seeing during his presidency is he get measured by a differestick. we knew donald trump the brand as the brash, billionaire campaign guy. frankly, if we'd found out that mike pence had paid a stripper $130 to spank him we would be scandalized, but when people voted for donald trump they knew they were voting for a guy who has this kind of character.

they knew they were voting for a guy that had these kinds of issues. for example god's sake we heard it in his own voice on tape so this is not a surprise to anybody. i think the reason that you're not seeing the outrage and level of interest, is because there's not much shock value to this and people knew what they were getting. >> that's not what the vice president said. the vice president said he's not going to comment on the latest baseless -- >> he ain't stupid. would you comment about your boss' -- >> i do think the line here that gets crossed by politicians is when they use their office. >> yeah. >> to cover up their moral terpitude, and when they use our taxpayers' money to take care of those things i think that's a line that everybody cares about. i do care about what politicians do in their personal life. >> but not that much. >> that's what we all do. >> very good. ana navarro and matt schlapp, thanks for the debate. good morning to your new day. it's tuesday,