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what peril he might face in the chair. you need to have people who have done these interrogations and defended against them to get where this is all headed. guess what? we have them for you tonight. let's get after it. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." our breaking news tonight. trump saying he wants to speak to special counsellor mueller about the russia investigation. in fact he says he'd quote love to. and that he would do it under oath. but don't get too excited. he gave himself an escape hatch. >> are you going to talk to mueller? >> i'm looking forward to it, actually. >> you want to? >> there's been no collusion whatsoever. there's no obstruction whatsoever. and i'm looking forward to it. i do worry when i look at all the things that you people don't report about what what's happening. if you look at the five months

worth of missing texts. that's a lot of missing texts. and as i said yesterday that's prime time. so you do look at that and say what's going on. you do look at certain texts where they talk about insurance policies and say the kind of things they're saying. but i would love to do that. i'd like to do it as soon as possible. good luck everybody. here's the story. >> do you have a date set? >> i don't know. two or three weeks. i would love to do it. again. subject to my lawyers and all that. i would love to do that. >> under oath? >> like hilary? you said it. you say a lot. did hilary do it under oath? >> i have no idea. i'm not asking her. >> do you have an idea? >> i don't remember. >> she didn't do it under oath. i would do it. you know she didn't.

if you didn't know about hilary you're not much of a reporter. >> you would do it under oath? >> i would do it under oath. >> all right. this comes amidnews that the special counsel has given trumps lawyers a range of topics to discuss. the good news is there's little chance trump can completely avoid the special counsel. the president should want to take on his questions. specifically questions about the firings of comey and flynn. why? because if he does it, the expression the truth will set you free. when he is in the event ultimately cleared in this investigation and he's sat down and faced the questions, that's what will give the president the opportunity to waive his success and his exoneration in the face of all critics. but there's a big if. because the president said something else today. that's a prime example of what he doesn't want to happen. when bob mueller is sitting

akosz from him. now there's a lot of political spin out there. two sides going after it. that is just political bs. this is about facts, law, and strategy. we have people who have played this game. they know the rules, and the pitfalls. we have seen contributor former obama white house ethics czar. we have cnn counter terrorism analyst phillip mud. and new york university law school professor. and former federal prosecutor. i couldn't ask for better guests. let's talk about the headline. professor, the idea that the president wants to be with mueller. wants to be under oath. if he does an interview is being under oath negotiatable? does it matter because he's with fbi agents. what are the rules? >> the way it would work if you sit down with the fbi and the

prosecutor. which is the normal course. before you would go into a grand jury. there is no oath. it's just it's required that you tell the truth. if you don't you can be charged with the crime. >> you don't need to be under oath? >> if you're in a grand jury you're always under oath. if you do the interview for example michael flynn just did the interview. george papadopoulos did the interview. they have been charged with lying to the fbi. it is a federal crime to sit across from the fbi and a prosecutor and not be truthful. so whether the interview if it's under oath in the grand jury you have the opportunity to charge perjury. if a lie is told. there are reasons why sometimes people will want to put a subject of an investigation into the grand jury. but again in the normal course you would first reach out to a subjects lawyer to donald trumps lawyer to cob and say will you come in for the interview and do the sit down. >> cob walked us back saying he's ready to meet but will be

guided by the advice of personal counsel. of course we saw president clinton before a grand jury. and on tape. that got released. what do you anticipate in this situation. what deals will that make with the lawyers? >> to agree with ann. from the prosecutor perspective. it would be, this is what ken star wanted in the clinton investigation. they were very insistent on it. they wanted it to be under oath and before the grand jury. that was not negotiable. however because of false statements are punishable. it's better for trump if he can do it as a statement. it will be done in the white house. bhuler will be there. mueller probably won't do the questioning. just as ken star didn't do the questioning. the big fight the competitive prosecutor everybody will want to question the president. it will be one of the senior prosecutors on the team.

and mueller will be sitting there watching and studying and gauging. is the president telling the truth or not. if he tells the truth he may walk into an obstruction case. if he lies it's a false statement case. what a terrible dilemma. >> does he get to do it all in writing? or winds up in person with the investigator and mueller. >> he has to be in person with the prosecutors. i agree with the comments made about mullers role. i doubt he'll do the questioning. he's not the expert on every detail in the case. i think the couple of points i would be watching. there's no way, no way that mueller will agree to anything but an inperson interview. you can get factual responses on answer. you have to get into a back and forth if the president gives an answer on for example a time

line of your campaign and engagement with the russians that doesn't agree with what flynn said. you can't do that on paper. we have other information. the one thing people aren't talking about that is fascinating in terms of a negotiation. what's the duration? they can't go for an hour or two. the president can filibuster for an hour or two and talk. it has to be a half day a day long. the challenge you get in if the president allows that much time is with his lack of discipline and facts and answering questions. he will open himself up to saying things that are different than what the team learned elsewhere. that duration of the interrue is important. >> your answer has been shockingly helpful. it tees up the next thing the president said. that i think is highly instructable. called exhibit a of what the risk and the reward is in an interview like this. do we have the sound ready about mccabe? >> i would do it under oath. >> do you trust the fbi?

>> i am very disturbed as is the general. as is everybody else that is intelligence. when you look at five months. this is the -- this is a large scale version. that was 18 minutes. this is five months. they say it's 50,000 texts. and it's prime time. that's disturbing. >> should mccabe go? >> mccabe got more than $500,000 from essentially clinton. and is he investigating clinton? >> should he go? >> did anybody here, many of the speeches i talked about him. he was the star of the speech. i said a man who was more or less in charge of her got the

wife got $500,000. >> do you regret having him as acting fbi director? >> i keep out of it. that's the way it fell. >> he said there i don't think i asked him about whom sloeted for. and they kept asking him about it. i don't think so. i don't know it's such a big deal. it's one thing when he's talking about reporters that don't know any better. let's take a look alt this. that answer -- we know he did ask mccabe. we're in a different setting. it's a subject he doesn't like. and he's sitting with an investigator and his counsel. and ask about one of theeds things did you say this. and he say i don't think i said it. i don't know the big deal. how does that play in the setting? >> as a prosecutor. phil is 100% right. you need a lot of time. i expect this would happen. you will have ever single record of every conversation, every

e-mail. whatever is relevant. to the conversation you're having. and you will then bring it out and go pain stakeingly through prior comments made by the president. prior things that other witnesses have said. and you will go through it. to basically show it could be on this date you said something. why are you saying something different now? it's a rigorous and detail oriented interview. with someone like the president. who does seem to change to say different thij things and not always be detailed and specific. and this is where the prosecutors will pin him down. and want him to be specific. and that's why phil's point is so important. it could take an hour to get one answer. >> what would this mean in the context of this investigation where if this interview i under oath or whatever, hs got to exposure to telling the truth. what would this mccabe answer

mean? >> if he does something like this. a very similar scenario. that mccabe issues are beside the point of the interview that will happen in the white house. that will be focussed on mueller and the firing of comey. focussed on the flynn issues. say he danced like that ant comey firing. we have the comey memos. we have his reputation for telling the truth. we have independent witnesses who comey talked to. if the president distorts the truth or denies it and if he again and again lies, we know he's a liar. 2,000 lies in the first yore in office. i counted 15 and a half lies in his first short snippet. talking about no collusion. >> too much lie counting. the reason i think you beautifully teed up that sound bite. is because lack of discipline you said. rose mary woods. people said who's that. nixons secretary. it's talking about the gap in

the tape. he is constantly trying to play to advantage. that's what he's doing. with mccabe he's out of context about the money his wife got. he never got money. his wife running at a democrat got money from a democratic organization. it happened over a year before he was even in the position. let alone involved with clinton. that's where his head is. i'm worried about the fbi it looks bad. so is the general. how do they tactics introduce risk for him as an interview subject in this type of setting? >> there's no way you can divert this conversation by throwing out chaff on things like mccabe. let me lay out something. i don't think anybody including director mueller my former posz is going to use the word collusion. they won't ask about collusion. they won't give him an opportunity to say there's no collusion. it's a myth. >> i bet he'll say it anyway. >> the questions that we were

talking about will be what happened during the don jr. meeting last year and did you discuss that with any members of the team? there will be a thousand questions like that. behind that will be interviews with people around that conversation with the russian lawyer. and further e-mails, texts. if anybody in the texts or e-mails said i talked to don. donald trump sr. that is the president. and the president says never heard of the meeting. he's in trouble. the questions will be detail and fact based. he can divert saying there's no collusion. the team will not let that happen. the time is so significant. if he rifts for 15 minutes. they'll say that wasn't the question. did anybody discuss with you the meeting with the rush lawyer last june. yes or no. >> who thinks we'll see a transcript or video of the interview. >> i think transcript not video.

>> i would say transcript. no video. >> no show of hand. you can't follow rules. thank you very much. very good. thank you very much. i told you you need people who are experts in these situations. they're different. it's not just about opinion. you have to know the game and the rules. remember all of this came out of a surprise appearance by the president. you know here's my guess i don't know this was a surprise at all. donald trump is master at messaging when it comes to the media. he likes these opportunities. we'll like at why it may have happened. with two reporters in the room where it happened. hamilton reference. now the song is in your head. blame me.

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more now on the breaking news out ot white house. president trump pushing back against reports of tension with chief of staff john kelly. who was expected to travel with the president to switzerland for the world economic forum. but stayed behind tonight for unknown reasons.

now earlier, kelly was meeting with reporters in the white house. when the president drops in. and starts being asked about alleged acrimony with his chief of staff. which the president denied. >> it's been great. he's doing great. fake news yesterday. or two days ago. i rarely put out a tweet praising somebody. only when they get a false story. i don't know if he saw that. i put it out. >> i don't know what he's talking about. the point is the president just comes out of nowhere but was this something that he thought about? was this an opportunity he wanted to take. why do we make the suggestion? he wound up answering so many questions when he's been ducking interviews for 300 days. two reporters in the room with the president join us know. senior white house correspondent pam brown. and associated press white house reporter jill. you love to say i'm wrong, am i wrong on this one?

i don't believe the president just opened the wrong door. or moved the wrong curtain and wound up with you. he wanted to come out and wanted to address kelly and more. what was your sense? >> i can tell you this. the white house aids that were there in the room were taken aback and just as surprised as we were. i didn't ask the president directly did you plan this? it certainly though we were sitting there during this background briefing which is common in the white house. when there's a picy rll out. just a few minutes in the president walked into the room. you would think that he did know that all the reporters were in the meeting with the chief of staff. that sense he knew what he was walking into. and from there, there was ten to 15 minutes of an exchange with the reporters. and it was interesting because a couple times he acted like he was going to walk away. as soon as another reporter lobbed a question he would stay and answer it.

he was clearly enjoying standing there talking to the reporters and answering questions on a range of issues from immigration to his chief of staff. to possible interview with robert mueller. >> what was your take, jill? >> my sense of it was look the president doesn't just barge into the chief of staff office when reporters happen to be fl n there. my sense was he purposefully came into the office to talk up john kelly. and then as he often does he sees reporters and recognizes some people he knows and he just wants to answer questions. also the white house is really kept the president away from reporters for the last couple days. it seemed like the president had things he wanted to get off his chest. >> so back to you. what was most impressive out of the president to you tonight? what were the points he wanted to get out there? >> it was clear to me that he wanted to say i will sit down with robert mueller and do a

face to face interview with him. >> he gave himself an escape hatch. he said i do have to listen to counsel. and cob came out and backed it off. >> exactly. know from talking to sources that his lawyers do not want him to have a face to face interview. it may not happen. so in a sense this could be the president coming out and saying i have nothing to hide. i'll sit down in reality it may never happen. and he very well knows that. to me it seemed like he wanted to make the point that i have nothing to hide. there was no obstruction no collusion. i'll sit down and tell him myself under oath. when a few weeks ago he hedged and wouldn't answer whether or not in fact he would do an interview. today was a different story. he really wanted to send the message. >> what do those around him think the idea he can avoid the russia investigation altogether? it would be improbable for him to not be exposed at all to the

questioning in this probe. >> it's very clear mueller is getting very close. the president said he heard the interview would happen in the next two to three weeks. he's setting a time line is very significant. he's really wrapped his head around the potential of this happening. mueller has been through such a long list of white house and campaign officials. hours with jeff sessions and it seems like he's getting closer. i want to follow up on one point. about this really interesting dynamic you have the president saying things and then folks around him going wait, wait i don't know if you're talking too fast. the exact same thing happened on the topic of immigration. reporter were being briefed on in the room. the president said i'm open to a path way to zits ship. for the dreamers that we have been talking about. and then after the president left the room you had a senior administration official saying

wait, that's something we're considering. it's something maybe out there. but this is not a plan that we have accepted. >> it's interesting what joe mansion said that this morning. senator from west virginia. democrat. he said we're look ago at this and echoed the time frame the president did tonight. i made phone calls to people on the right of the gop. none of them said that was even on the table. imagine their reaction. >> i just thought it was interesting. sarah sanders was asked during the press briefing about the details of this immigration roll out. you'll have to wait until monday and then what hours later the president walks in and tells us some of the finer points of what he wants to the immigration plan. it shows you the dynamic within the white house sfwl it puts the smile on the face of reporters. imagine what it would mean to investigators in the room with

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president trump breaking news tonight. he literally walked in on a room oof white house reporters. and it was no accident. it was unannounced. and started taking questions. he started off by saying

everything is good between his and general john kelly his chief of staff. there's speculation that there's been some distance between them since kelly said the president was uninformed on immigration position. and then he was supposed to go to davos for the world economic forum with the president. that changed. he came out and talked about that. and a lot more. including the fbi. which is increasingly the target of attacks by conservatives angry with the russia investigation. republicans are investigating the investigators. openly suggesting and antitrump secret society within the fbi. they keep pointing to text messages critical of then candidate trump between two top officials. peter strozk and lisa page. who both worked for a time on the mueller investigation. and were also romantically involved. some republicans believe there maybe more damming evidence in an unknown number of missing

texts. between the two. now this also could just be political warfare to distract from the investigation. with the by product of under mining confidence in our democracy. so, let's take this one on one with republican congressman mat gates of florida. a member of the house judiciary committee. congressman, thank you for being here. >> always a pleasure. love cuomo "prime time." >> you're very kind. that won't distract me. make the case. what's your concern? and what basis. >> i wish i could share with you all the basis for my concern. many of them are found in the intelligence memo the democrats are trying to block the american people from seeing. every republican on the intelligence committee voted for more transparency. every democrat voted against it. unfortunately i can't discuss the details around that. the texts between strozk and page are damming. it's not republicaning who created the theory of a secret

society. that was pages text message to her boyfriend peter strozk. it wasn't republicans that deleted five months of text messages. strozk and page were texting each other more than a high school cheer leading squad. there's a five month black hole. you don't find it interesting that the black hole starts right when obama launches the counter intelligence investigation in august and ends the day mueller is appointed? that's a really conspicuous time for that to occur. >> one by one. first the idea of the memo that nunes and his people put together on fisa and their concern. i have something that you should probably know by now. the democrats can't stop you from making it public. i don't know why this has taken so long. the president of the united states has power to classify and declassify. is there a process? yes. does he have to follow it?

no. is he someone who seems suited to ignore that process? yes. and if a motivated member of congress such as someone whose name rimes with i don't know mat gets. wanted to make this public, you could do so because you have immunity for anything you say in speech or debate on the floor of congress. you can go out there and read the memo and you could put anything you want into the congressional record. it ain't the democrats, my friend. you could put this if you wanted to do more than hype it. >> no, the democrats actually voted no. republicans voted yes. there's a few reasons the things you mention wouldn't be beneficial for the national security. first, if we accept that members of congress ought to take top secret documents and read them on the floor of the house. it will damage the sharing of intelligence information. >> you could read parts of the memo. >> it's not going to come to

that. there's another reason why it make take a week or two. that is we don't want to simply release a memo. these are facts but there's intelligence information that the facts. the letter i sent to nunes signed by 65 republicans doesn't merely request the release of the memo. the release of the supporting documenting evidence that illuminates the claims and facts made. >> we can't discuss until we see it. the texts between the two people. you say the secret society comes from lisa page. you have no idea what the context was for that statement. and you have no real proof that any such secret society exists. the question becomes why would you hang something out there that damages the fbi that way when you don't know it's true? >> i know what lisa page texted. again this wasn't a republican idea. it was her text message.

>> you don't know the context. >> okay how about this. walk me through the appropriate context for members of the fbi having a secret society and meeting to discuss the presidential election. throw out the good context for that. >> i reject the premise. i will offer one. because you asked. i'm talking to someone who an intimate of mine. i don't like trump. it's a baa foon. i said to them as she did, that's what we're assuming she's ain't president. she says i guess it's time for the secret society to meet. it could be off the cuff. it would mean a million things. i shouldn't impugn the reputation of the fbi. we need our democratic institutions in tact. they're taking a beating. >> of course we do. you're right. the way that we solve the problem with our democratic institutions degrading before our very eyes is more over

sight, more transparency. we shouldn't have a circumstance where you get an hq special and depart from the normal investigation procedures. but like the notion that a secret society is just off the cuff comment is laughable. i can't believe you make that with a straight face. a secret society gets together in secret. >> existence of something as nefarious. >> they said it. >> you don't know the context. have you picked up the phone and asked? >> ron johnson statements -- >> he backed off. >> there's an informant. >> we have an informer who talked about private meetings off site. we don't know if it's related to the same thing. >> you have a text message talking about secret society. >> i'll tell you. whether it's you or johnson or any of you.

you switch the r and d and context from this discussion about the texts to what we know about russia and collusion and activity. and you sound the same. when it's about russia you don't care what the basis is. you don't believe it. you don't want to investigate it's silly. you have a phrase between loves. you don't know the context but ready to say there's a shadow organization at the fbi. and the irony that the only reason you know about the texts is not because you looked it up. not because republicans figured it out. you didn't have a source on it. this was done internally. by the same fbi you can't trust. >> it was subpoenaed by devin nunes. >> the inspector general had them. the report independent agent. and when mueller was told what happened? when he was told about the texts. he moved on them. he took them off strozk. page was gone. so he couldn't.

you didn't figure it out. nunes didn't. this was in the ig report. independent agent it shows accountability. it shows transparency. and you want to impugn the entire institution. >> that's talk about that. december 13th the ig sent a letter to ron johnson saying he had all the text messages through june. then it turns out there's a five month hole. how do you explain that inconsistency? >> you're ignoring it. >> i want to make this point. how can you say it's consistent to say we have the texts through june. and then only later when congress is demanding answers as we should under over sight authority you say there's a five month black hole. that just happens to coincide with the period where the robert mueller invest was getting launched. he was appointed at the end of the black hole. at the beginning you have the sicking it on the donald trump

team. it's outrageous. >> hold on. i said to you -- >> losing five months of text messages. >> i want the mem row released. politicians have politics in their mind. i do not trust any of you as ultimate ar afact. >> you tell me what i say that's partisan in the interview. i'm banging you on the premise. what are you ignoring about the text. i don't know what it mean. neither do you. >> how about give it the you understand the plain meaning. how about we accept things that are plain meaning. you understand the adverse inference. there's five months -- >> there's no adverse inference doctrine at play.

>> if there was a criminal prosecution. >> there's no basis for criminal prosecution. the reason you know there's an explanation for where the texts went is how huge would this conspiracy have to be that in order to hide these texts between the two people, which were already allowed to be discovered sp moved on by mueller. who is a lifetime republican. all of these other phones maybe one in ten, maybe thousands of fbi field agents and other administrative employees have the same problem with a hole in their texts? how could it be that such a big conspiracy was under taken just to hide what the two people were saying from you? >> you're talking about under mining the president of the united states. of course it's one held of a conspiracy. and people at the top levels of the government were involved in it. that's why this is so treacherous.

we have to find out. you made mention of trump interviewing mueller. that's one heck of a point. >> mueller interviewing trump. i know that's what you're dreaming of. >> no. it was trump interviewing mueller for the fbi position. it's one heck of a note he interviews him for the position. doesn't want to hire him. within 24 hours rosenstein appointed him to. >> it was the president choice. who he relied on for the assessment of comey. now can't trust him for mueller? you celebrated him. he's a decorated veteran. >> not a single american wants to be investigated by -- >> the president who is not shy never said anything about it. one other thing and i have to go. you say this is the biggest coincidence since the e mac lat conception. what are you talking about? >> the notion.

sdp and again this will be illuminated by the memo. notion that this five months that this particular five months is where the black hole is. that's a hell of a coincidence. it's the time someone would be hatching a conspiracy. meeting with the secret society. >> you don't know one exists. >> that was her text flt she said that we need to be able to get together and have our secret society meeting. >> what do you mean by the immaculate conception? >> it's an absurd coincidence. >> what do you think happened? >> it's a religious doctrine. >> i know. where's the analogy. that's what i don't understand. what do you think happened? >> look, did you really bring me onto discuss religious views?

>> you made the analogy. >> how jesus was born. >> it's not how he was born. it was the conception. >> no it wasn't. it was mary's conception. the mothers. without original sin. not the conception of jesus. facts matter. if you'll make an analogy. know what you're talking about. you have to have a by basis. you know what you show. you have the release the memo. before you say there's a shadow organization within the fbi. >> we intend to. absolutely. we intend to fine out what it is and get the answers. >> they are learning a will the of suggestions from you. they need facts. when you get them, you know where you're welcome to come on and make the case. rite here. we appreciate you taking the opportunity. >> thank you. more breaking news.

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breaking news. subject of tonight's great debate. so, president trump free wheeling exchange he came out to defend his relationship with kelly. how he feels about meeting with the special counsel and other stuff. then he talked about what he would want to do with daca and dreamers. and he said he's open to a path to citizen ship. for daca recipients. people brought to the u.s. illegally as children. listen to this. >> do you think you'll get a deal on immigration? >> i think so. >> what will it look like?

>> great border security. we might talk about it chief. i wrote something out. we want great border security. we want to do a great job with daca. it's our issue. it's a better issue for the republicans than democrats. >> do you want citizen ship for dreamers? >> we're going to morph into it. over a period of ten to 12 years. somebody does a great job. they worked hard. it gives incentive to do a great job. they work hard. whether they have company or work or whatever they're doing. if they do a great job, it's a nice thing to have the incentive after a period of years being able to become a citizen. >> how many years? >> ten or 12. >> march 5 will you protect them and tengsd the deadline? >> i might do that. i'm not guaranteeing it. i want to put -- i certainly

have the right to do that. if you want. >> he certainly has the right. had e created the deadline. let's get to the bigger question. about what he's saying about citizen ship. everybody is devices will be hot with the drama going on in the political right. somewhere steve king where ever he is. and jim jordan and the right of the gop are screaming about this. let's get going. cnn political ana navarro and mat schlapp. path to citizen ship. how will that play? >> this is all very dicey. as we know we have been trying to get an immigration bill or a lot of people have been trying to get a reform bill through congress for decades. the fact president trump who ran aggressively against illegal immigration and illegal immigrants being in the country for him to bring up daca and for him to be talking to democrats and republicans about this, you

ought to give him credit. it takes a certain amount of political courage for republicans to talk about this. because you're right, any kind of amnesty to anyone is controversial. with a lot of republicans and with >> amnesty is a dirty word for them, ana, even though i don't know why it applies to kids. amnesty goes to someone's commission of a crime, kids can't commit crimes -- >> most of this population, there aren't kids, though, there are lots of adults -- >> not now, there are a adults. not a lot of adults. >> didn't have the intent, you can't have the intent to break the law when you're 5 years old, 6 years old. they may not be kids now but they came here as minors. >> do you you think the president will stick to this, ana? >> who the hell knows? you think anybody can answer this? twos weeks ago us out here, my heart was going pitter patter

and had optimism and hope after the meeting if the white house where he talked about a bill love love, talked about wanting to do daca and d.r.e.a.m.ers and immigration reform. we can do this, we can get further. then we saw that only 48 hours later, everything had gone to hell in a hand basket, so i think as of the last two weeks, with we realized that donald trump negotiating with donald trump, dealing with donald trump is dealing with dr. jekyll and mr. hyde. one day he's dr. jekyll, one day he's mr. jhyde. if i was a d.r.e.a.m.er, my entire life and future was in limbo, i would only believe this once that -- >> actually, if he were -- >> -- ink were dry on a bill. >> if you were a d.r.e.a.m.er, yoed be happy a republican president is saying i want to find a solution to this, as far as him changing his position, when it came to the shutdown, he actually was the one that stood in one place, and the democrats moved to where he was, which i thought was a great victory for him, and i think when it comes to this question of immigration, he's actually saying the same

thing over and over and over again. we got to find something that will get through the senate on daca, in combination with significant wall funding, in combination with ending chain migration outside the nuclear family then getting rid of this diversity visa lottery system. we keep saying the same things and these democrats and republicans i know, because i have a lot of contacts up there, they're doing these negotiations right now, and i actually think there's a chance they can get something done. i don't think there three weeks. i think there's a chance they can get something done. >> look, i agree with you, i think that the senate can certainly get something done. i don't know how much of it can pass through the house. i do think that we need presidential leadership. and it's been sorely lacking and it's been impossible. >> you're getting it. >> give him some credit, you're getting it on this. >> i gave him credit two weeks ago. two days later he was talking about haiti and -- >> you can do it. >> i was giving him credit two weeks ago. >> the point is this. let's refocus the conversation. >> completely threw it out the

window. >> let's refocus the conversation. ana is making a good point. confidence comes from consistency. he had meeting. bill of love. then it goes away. mick mulvaney is on the show a couple days ago, i don't remember what time it is, let alone what day. he said he'll be on daca as the democrats are to him on security and the other issues. >> right. >> that's not compassion. no such thing as calibrated compassion. now he's saying citizenship, can we take him at his word, matt? >> chris, you've been up all day, working early in the morning, working late at night. let me give you my perspective on this. >> please. >> he did not reject a compromise from that group that was around the table in the cabinet room. as we all know, lindsey graham who's an abled legislator, ran in there with dick durbin for a whole other set of issues. the president made it clear he's not going to go to those other issues. so -- >> they checked every box to him, but not to his satisfaction. >> no, chris. i want to make two points on

that, number one, i qudo not age with you on that. second thing, it's a negotiation. both sides are going to get to say what's acceptable, what's not acceptable. >> i don't disagree with that. >> ana is right, there's a real question with conservatives like myself about what the final package looks like. i think it's a very live wire. this very easily might not happen because they don't strike the right balance. by the way, on immigration, it's almost impossible to find that balance. i give the president create credit. he is trying to reach out. >> this is a moral position, not just a policy one. but your final point, ana. >> we have seen in the last ten days, with a case of jorge rodriguez then the case of the doctor in kalamazoo, neither of whom were d.r.e.a.m.ers but they were very similar situations. who were brought here as children. we've seen the separation of families. we have seen the grief in the community. republicans can't afford to see that scene played out 800,000 times all over the country. >> we'll see what happens. i tell you what, matt schlapp, a

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the mandate for this show is pretty simple. it's to help you all get a better appreciation for the facts. here's our final fact. in politics, perception is reality, but in the law, and in real life, you only know what you can show. the fbi deserves respect. does it have flaws? of course it does. all things with humans in control do. they're real questions and should be investigated. but show the proof. release the facts. let us find the truth, not just make accusations to drive division. let's be honest. there is too much of that already on all fronts. and that is a fact.

don't forget, you can catch me and alison every weekday morning on "new day" starting at 6:00 a.m., but right now, "cnn tonight" with don lemon, the man, starts right now. top of the hour, this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. we have big news on the russia investigation to tell you about. it comes straight from the president's mouth. president trump telling reporters tonight he's looking forward to talking to special counsel robert mueller. his lawyer is responding to that tonight. we're going to tell you what he says. remember this is the president who in the rose garden back in june said he was 100% willing to talk to mueller. then just a few weeks ago he said there might not be an interview. so definitely maybe. the president also spoke about hillary clinton, his chief of staff, john kelly, and deputy fbi director andrew mccabe, and you'llr