else who he voted for. i hope mr. mccabe didn't answer. >> it's not the republicans who created a theory of a secret society, it wasn't republicans that deleted five months of text messages. >> a lot of my colleagues need to take a deep breath and stem back from some of these conspiracy theories. good morning everyone. welcome to your "new day." it's thursday, january 25th, 8:00 in the east. president trump is in davos, switzerland at this hour where he plans to meet with britain's prime minister on the sidelines of the world economic forum. >> how did you not get this assignment? >> i don't know. i am going to wrestle jeff zeleny to the ground next year for that. >> i've seen that before. it ain't pretty. >> no, it's not. the president held an unplanned q&a session with reporters declaring he's looking forward to being questioned under oath. this as cnn learned mueller's team has given the president

possible topics for the interview. we saw a new twist in negotiations over immigration reform. president trump put a pathway to citizenship for some d.r.e.a.m.ers on the table, however it's conditioned, only if he gets billions for his border wall and border security. does this bring lawmakers any closer to striking a deal? we have it all covered for you. let's begin with cnn's jeff zeleny live in davos, switzerland, traveling with the president. i hope you're in shape or you know how to fight. cam rot to is coming for you. >> there's so much snow here it has been an extraordinary couple of days here in the snowy alps. a lot of fondue, a little partying at davos. we're working hard. the president arrived, not exactly his crowd necessarily. he's talked again and again

against globalization, his populist rhetoric of his campaign. people are discussing the comments he made before leaving the white house about the mueller investigation. he finally answered the question, will you talk to robert mueller's team? let's listen. >> are you going to talk to mueller? >> i'm looking forward to it actually. >> you want to? >> there's been no collusion whatsoever. there's no obstruction whatsoever, and i'm looking forward to it. >> you would do it under oath? >> i would do it under oath, yes, absolutely. >> reporter: so the president says he would do it under oath. now, the president's lawyer says not so fast. they issued a statement saying the president was going to davos, the negotiations about how and when and what could be discussed are still being worked out. as the lawyers stay behind and do that, white house chief of staff john kelly stayed behind.

the president is here at this hour. in this hour he's scheduled to meet with british prime minister theresa may. there's been some bad blood between them and tensions between them as well. the president was scheduled to visit the united kingdom. he called that off, always worried about protests. so far here in davos, no signs of protests. there are many questions why is president trump here. i talked to one woman yesterday who had a hat on that said "i miss obama." the fact is obama didn't come to davos. it's been 18 years, since 2000, when bill clinton came to davos during his final year in office. president trump doing it in his first year, the first time he's ever been invited to this elite global gathering. so many new yorkers here, many people he'll recognize. after his bilateral talks this morning, he'll meet with ceos later today and give the big speech here tomorrow morning. chris and alisyn. >> all right, jeff.

i'm watching you. i'm keeping an eye on you there in davos to make sure i don't have to go over there and check on you. >> chilling. makes the ferret hair on the top of my head stand up. >> i don't want to open a can of jersey. let's bring in "new york times" white house correspondent maggie haberman. maggie, let's talk about how the president is very excited to sit down with bob mueller and he's happy to do it under oath, as he said. only one caveat, if his lawyers agree to all of that. >> up to my lawyers, but, yeah. >> of course, that's true of anybody, right? let's take the president at his word. i'm sure he would be happy to talk to bob mueller. how does the rest of the white house feel about this i'm penmp interview? >> i think he does want to do this. i've been hearing from people close to him for weeks that he has said privately he's really excited to do this because he believes he can essentially sell someone on almost any version of what he thinks. he thinks he can convince these

investigators that any suggestion of collusion, as he says repeatedly, is wrong. the rest of the white house is not so thrilled with what he said publicly yesterday. they were already, his lawyers, negotiating how this would take place. would some questions be in written form, which would be a lot easier for him. it's very hard when you are there in person and it's the thing some of his lawyers and advisers are the most concerned about. his comments did not go over great. >> by all accounts, he doesn't have that much discretion. he's not driving this process. he could wind up hauled before a grand jury. we'll see what shape this takes. he said a couple of things, maggie. one goes to the politics of this in his own mind, and the other to the practicality of what might happen in front of a panel of investigators. let's start with the politics. here was the answer the president gave to why he is different when it comes to what he'll do with these

investigators. >> under oath, mr. president? >> you mean like hillary? >> i said it. >> did hillary do it under oath? >> i don't have an eye. i'm not asking that. >> wait, wait. do you not have an idea? do you really not have an idea? i'll give you an idea. she didn't do it under oath. i would do it under oath. you know she didn't do it under oath. >> she did do it under oath. >> 18 usc 1001, if you're sitting with federal aides, you lie to them. it's a crime. >> michael flynn could explain that. >> that's not his point. it's hillary clinton, the person they never mentioned according to my friend kellyanne conway, why is this the way he needs to explain it to people? >> by the way, i think in fairness to kellyanne conway, i think it's true that other people in the white house don't spend quite as much time talking about her as she does, if we can separate trump from staff as we

often do. i don't think this is a political question, although that's certainly part of it. he spent part of the gaggle with us, focusing on andrew mccabe who was the acting director of the fbi when james comey was fired. he said how many people paid attention to my speeches. mccabe was the star of my speeches. that's true. he was very focused that mccabe's wife had run for a state senate seat in virginia and her company received quite a bit of money from terry mcauliffe's super pact. terry mcauliffe is a close friend of the clintons for many years. he says this as inoculating himself, especially with his own supporters who are already concerned about the fbi, already are mistrustful of this investigation and he is stoking that. he talked about the missing texts, although he described them as deleted. it's not clear they were deleted. there was some glitch and they were not there. two fbi agents had been speaking negatively about a variety of politicians including him in

terms that have alarmed republicans. he is trying to flip it to the extent he can. i also think in that moment that you just played he was genuinely aggravated, and it was not just politics. i think it was naturally where his brain goes. >> maggie, there was another moment we want to play for you, because there was reporting that the president had asked andrew mccabe who mccabe voted for in the election and mccabe said he did not vote, but he found that question and that exchange troubling from the president. so yesterday, as you know, he was asked about that. listen to what the president said. >> did you ask mr. mccabe who he voted for? >> i don't think so. i don't think i did. >> you did not? >> i don't know what's the big deal with that, because i would ask you -- who did you vote for? i don't think it's a big deal, but i don't remember that -- i saw that morning. i don't remember asking him that question. >> is it possible you did? >> i don't remember asking him the question. >> you don't remember.

>> i think it's also a very unimportant question, but i don't remember asking him that question. >> our legal experts would beg to differ that it's an unimportant question. but what did you think of that moment from the president? >> it reminded me of trump under oath in depositions where he does a lot of i don't recall, and either way it's not that big a deal. if you read depositions over the years or look at videos, that answer is very much in keeping. white house officials the night before had acknowledged that he did, indeed, ask that question of mccabe, and their whole thing was this is just how he talks, he asks this of everybody. that might be one of the truest things he said in this gaggle is when he said, i'd ask you that. he would absolutely ask a reporter that. the whole window is just how he talks and people should understand he doesn't really mean it. i think that passed a very long time ago. it has been explained to him by white house counsel, by advisers over a very long period of time this is a problematic question. if he continues doing it, it would indicate he doesn't care that's a problem. >> so instructive.

i keep calling it exhibit a. one, as you say, and you, too, alisyn, it is not okay, it is not normal and it is not right. he's not supposed to ask people for a loyalty test. now there's a new problem of what this exhibits. it's one thing to say it to us. he can say things that aren't true to us, and we either catch him or we don't. we can't charge him with a crime because of that. when he sits with these investigators, if he says, yeah, i don't think i said it, i don't think i said it. they can show that, no, you should know that you said it because your white house said you said it. mccabe says you said it. that can trib the lying statute, too. and then, the last part may be the most important part, it's not important, that doesn't matter. that means something different to an investigator. if they ear trying to figure out where their head was and they get a sense from a series of

answers from you, so you don't really care about these things that are obstruction, you don't really care, you think they don't matter. that could be very damaging, and the lawyers may not be able to save him. >> i think that's right. i think this goes to a broader question which is why the trump white house would like it if trump talked less. most staffers there. trump believes he's his own best salesman. he thinks he does a wonderful job explaining himself, that nobody else can do it better. we've seen that time and again over the course of his first year in office. when you're dealing with a legal issue, less is often more, but donald trump is not about less. >> maggie haberman, always great to talk to you. thanks so much for being here. >> thank you. the justice department is warning the house intel chairman that it would be reckless to release a memo alleging surveillance abuses that contains classified information without letting the doj review it. devin nunes, the republican, has said he doesn't want them to.

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good to see you. good to have you on the show. >> good morning, chris. >> this is not an easy conversation to have. do you believe -- of course you do. what do you make of the suggestions that the fbi, the doj cannot be trusted you were infected with just toxic people. >> referring to the memo at the house of representatives, a lot of congress has seen it and a lot have been disturbed by it. if you have evidence of wrongdoing, we need to see that because if there is something going wrong at the department of justice or the fbi, we want to get to the bottom of it and hold people responsible. >> they won't show you because they don't trust you. republicans don't trust the doj which is manned and staffed by republicans. >> in fairness, they also haven't shown the senator the white house. >> they don't trust them either. the white house is different. what does it mean that they

don't think they can show you? >> you see text messages and memos. there are a lot of americans disturbed by what they're seeing. we've shown the committees about a thousand pages of classified material related to this. what we're saying is, if you have evidence of wrongdoing, we absolutely want to see it. we want to get to the bottom of it and hold people responsible if anything was done wrong. >> well, if they're going off what you showed them, you know the conclusions they should arrive at. do you think there are any nefarious practices when it comes to fisa surveillance. >> we haven't seen their memo. we don't know specifically what they're referring to. we've shown them a thousand pages of classified material. we provided witnesses. a lot of other things they've gone through as well. >> do you think you had a problem with the obtaining of fisa warrants? >> at this point i haven't seen any evidence of that. a number, a hundred congressmen have seen this and they're very disturbed by what they've seen.

>> if what you've seen is what you've shown them and they're disturbed and you eyre not, what do you make of it? >> chris, as i said, they've seen over a thousand pieces of material. maybe they've seen something we haven't. that's why we want to see the memo. >> secret society in the fbi. true or false? >> again, you're referring to text messages back in december we released about 375 text messages. this last friday we provided congress with another 400 pages, a few thousand text messages in addition to the 375. again, i think a lot of americans who saw that initial release of text messages were very disturbed by what they saw and understandably so. the inspector general is investigating it, and i look forward to their report at which point we can discuss that further. >> have you seen any proof of a secret or shadow organization that is trying to undermine justice?

>> i'm not a member of any secret society. >> how do we know? >> i suppose that's very true, chris. you don't. the first rule about secret society, you don't talk about secret society. >> they believe irt, sara. you have elected lawmakers going on tv -- >> what they believe is we have a lot of text messages that a lot of americans are disturbed by including americans in congress. i think you should understand why they are. you've seen a lot of them, too. >> you're the keeper of the information. i'm asking if you are disturbed, do you think there's proof of a secret society? >> there's an ongoing inspector general report. i'm not going to jump ahead of that. >> have you seen proof of one. >> the text messages were released. six committees have them, thousands of text messages. the text messages about the secret society, as has been reported now has some -- it's unclear. i think that's why we wait for an inspector general report. let the inspector general do their job. >> do you think there might be

one? >> in this whole back and forth, is it clear i'm saying we're going to wait for the inspector general report who has interviewed people, doing their job for months now? >> but you work there and you interact with these people all the time. has anybody ever mentioned something like this to you? has it ever come up with as a concern? >> i think this is an unproductive line of questioning. the inspector general is investigating this. we'll have a report and six committees of congress have thousands of text messages now. a lot of americans have seen these text messages and understandably disturbed by what they're seeing. the rule of law should be free of bias from -- >> i keep asking because i feel like you're walking a line of not upsetting certain political partisans but also representing the interest of the doj. not an easy line to walk. i think i would ask you if there's a shadow organization within the fbi, you would know if you've seen any proof outside of what the ig --

>> that's fair. you're asking me to characterize a text message between two fbi employees that's currently under investigation by the inspector general. it is my job not to prejudge that investigation and let the inspector general do their job. this isn't about politics. what i'm telling you is why the inspector general is looking into this is because the rule of law, our system of government depends on law enforcement being unbiased, free from all those considerations. that's what the inspector general is looking at. when they have the report, why don't i come back on and we'll talk about it. >> you're always invited. >> what do you make of the suspicion that they don't care what the ig says because they believe the fbi is corrupt and you have had political operatives engineering investigations. you can't be trusted, they won't show you the memo. do you agree with that assessment? do you think there's a chance they are radio snit. >> the inspector general's job is to look into those things. they announced several months ago they were looking at how the investigations were run, whether they were done with political bias, whether they were done

fairly and according to the rules of the department of justice. >> do you have any confidence in the organization outside what you learn from the inspector general? >> of the fbi? >> the fbi and the department of justice. >> there are wonderful agents across the country and this is a serious job. as i think we saw in colorado today, our law enforcement across the country deserves our respect, our support. we had a deputy shot in colorado last night. today is the funeral of a u.s. marshal killed in the line of duty a few days ago. absolutely i have respect for our law enforcement, federal, state, local, tribal and i think most americans do. >> the president of the united states says he's not sure. >> that's not true at all. this president has supported law enforcement more than any president in recent memory. there's a reason police morale is up, line of duty deaths are down. this president has said he's going to tackle violent crime and he has done just that. absolutely, those law enforcement officials across the country support this president because he supports them. >> then why did he say when he

was asked whether or not he trusts the fbi that he doesn't know, he has to see? >> we're talking about fbi leadership, an ongoing investigation that includes some text messages that you've seen and a lot of evidence, interviews, et cetera, that the inspector general has seen that you haven't seen. let's wait for the inspector general to report. we're not talking about the line agents out there doing their jobs every day out in the field. >> aren't those the same people we're talking about. that's what strzok was, right? a regular field guy in a management capacity doing the job and is now under scrutiny for whether or not his politics went in front of his duty? >> i'm not going to talk about individual personnel at the fbi right now. >> that's a safe way to go, sarah flores. i understand why you are. let me ask you something else. the attorney general, we understand, spoke to the special counsel. what can you tell us about the context of their discussions? >> well, we've confirmed that the attorney general spoke with the special counsel's office last week, and other than that we're in the going to talk about anything that was discussed with

the special counsel. but the attorney general, by my count at least, gave about 25 hours of public testimony last year before various congressional committees under oath. i think you have plenty of evidence of what the attorney general said, saw, did, knows. 24 hours is a lot. i know you watched a good chunk of it. >> and i heard a lot of "i don't recall" and "i don't remember" i'm not talking about anything that happened in the special counsel's office that's up to them to do their investigation. i'm not getting in the middle of that. >> did the president ask the attorney general to go to the director of the fbi and remove andrew mccabe? >> this is a story based on, according to sources i'm also not going to talk about what the attorney general says to his fbi director. but i do think the attorney general has made clear that he thinks that the fbi deserves a fresh start and that he has great confidence in chris wray, a man of great integrity to get the job done. >> does he have confidence in

andrew mccabe? >> i'm not going to talk about individual personnel at the fbi. i think any fbi director coming in can bring in their own team with a fresh start. that's exactly what the last fbi director did and the one before that. >> you spoke about christopher wray. >> christopher wray is the director. you know that's different. mccabe is a career fbi employee and so is peter strzok. >> did christopher wray threaten to resign, if they insisted on having him removed? >> you'll have to ask christopher wray that. >> do you have any knowledge of whether that's true. >> i'm not going to talk about conversations that happen between christopher wray and the attorney general. i wasn't on the phone. >> did you hear anything about the conversation? >> chris, the attorney general and the fbi director according to anonymous sources. i'm not going to get into it. i think i made pretty clear that the attorney general believes that the fbi director can and

should bring in his own team for a fresh start. >> you can say i know it didn't happen. if you want to shoot down sources, anonymous sources are often some of the best as you know. >> actually the president has addressed this. i'll refer you to his comments. >> i know. he denies it. he says lot of things that don't always prove out to be true. someone in charge of the administration of justice, we need to know whether or not they'll echo those types of sentiments for the president. >> i think i've answered your question. >> final question, do you think it was right for the president to ask the acting director of the fbi who he voted for in the election? >> i have no idea whether that happened. >> if it did happen, do you think it was appropriate. >> the president said it didn't happen. >> andrew mccabe said it did. >> andrew mccabe is on the record saying that happened? >> that's what we're told. >> according to sources. psychiatrist, you brought me on to comment on anonymous sources. >> the white house says it

happened. >> no, they did not. >> the white house said that happened, that conversation. >> i have not seen that. >> if it did happen, was it appropriate? >> i'm not commenting on hypotheticals that the president as far as i know says it didn't happen. >> i guarantee you'll want to answer this next question. are you ready? in you're weighing in on the berkeley, california, the free speech case about whether or not the first amendment and decisions thereon by that university are even handed when it comes to different political aspects. why? what do you believe is happening there that warrants the doj weighing in? >> this morning we're filing a statement of interest in this case is berkeley. overall what we're seeing is free speech being squashed on campuses. this is the place where free speech should be the most prevalent. we're seeing controversial speakers aren't allowed to come. we're seeing hecklers veto win out. it's a shame. this is where free ideas should exchange. a student was arrested for

trying to hand out copies of the constitution in michigan? this is a problem. if you're a public university, you're bound by the first amendment. you can't pick which debates are controversial and which aren't. you have to let everyone speak. >> what do you want to protect against happening? >> we want to protect against universities, the government if they're a public university, deciding which ideas are too controversial to even allow to be heard on a college campus. >> this is a very important issue: you're right. there are controversies on campus, also controversies at the white house. more than once the president of the united states has threatened to look at libel laws. i know and you know, almost all the relevant laws are state laws. does the department of justice intend to defend the first amendment when it comes to criticism of the government? >> i think this is a very, very

different situation. >> how so? >> on college campus, we're talking about the government telling americans what they can and can't say. that's a violation of the first amendment. you're talking about whether a private citizen can be lied about, whether they have any recourse in law, weather state or federal. the first amendment has some part in that. there's also libel laws as we've said. very apples and oranges, the comparisons you're making. >> i think that's debatable. you characterize the case with the president and being lied about. i w appreciate you taking the opportunity for you coming on. you're are always welcome on this show. >> thanks, chris. >> you be well. i'll speak to you soon. >> you bet. tonight in prime time at 9:00 p.m. eastern, we're going to take a deeper dive -- the mandate of that special series is facts first. what do we know exactly about the facts that are driving the allegations by republicans when

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president trump again undermining the fbi saying this to reporters before he left the white house yesterday. >> do you trust the fbi? do you trust the fbi. >> we're going to see. i am very disturbed, as is the. >> john: as is everybody else that is intelligent -- >> joining us democratic senator macy horano of hawaii. are you very disturbed? >> i'm very disturbed by the president and his minions particularly in the house. apparently there's no institution they won't attack to protect their lying president. the fbi, by the way, is the agency that protects the people of america from home grown terrorists and other bad actors. going after the fbi to protect the president is in my view reckless and unconscionable. >> follow that line.

what is reckless about the president planting the seed that the fbi is not to be trusted. >> because it is that the fbi we all rely on. i sat on the intelligence committee for two years. i serve on the armed services committee. we know the important work the fbi does to keep track of potential home-grown terrorists. by the way, there has been over ten shooting, domestic shootings just this year. so the fbi keeps track of all those kinds of activities. there are terrible things that happen. they are there to protect our country and for the president for his own purposes and the people who support the ppt for their own purposes, to go after an agency that is there to protect the sints of the united states is unconscionable. >> just to clarify something you said, i think it's 11 school shootings. >> yes, school shootings. that's right. that's terrible. there was one just two days ago

in kentucky. it's horrible. >> i know. you are very familiar there are these two fbi employees, a lawyer anand investigator that were exchanging messages that were not fans of president trump. after he was elected they expressed their disappointment. so now, senator ron johnson says that he sees in one of these text messages something very concerning, very ominous, that there might be a secret society in the fbi. let me read to you the text message on which he's hanging his hat? here is the text message. this is the from the fbi lawyer lisa page to fbi agent peter strzok. this is the day after donald trump was elected. are you even going to give out your calenders. seems kind of depressing. maybe it should be the first meeting of the secret society. do you hear that in an ominous way? >> are you asking me, alisyn? >> yeah.

what do you see in that text message? >> nothing much. in an effort to divert everybody's attention of the real threat of russia's continuing interference with our election and they have every intention of continuing that and any conspiracy on the part -- collusion on the part of the trump team to do that. i think more importantly there's an all-out effort to denigrate the mueller investigation, to divert attention from the investigation. so with these kinds of off-the-wall, in my view, kind of allegations by ron johnson. i believe he's already walked it back because there's nothing to this. >> well, a little bit, senator. basically what ron johnson has said is those weren't my words -- in fact, let me play his own words. i won't paraphrase. here is ron johnson. >> i have heard that there was a group of managers within the fbi that were holding meetings off-site. that's all i know.

all i said was when strzok and page describe, as they described it, a secret society, it surprised me because i had i guess corroborating information potentially. just potentially. all i'm saying is there's a lot of smoke out there. >> there's a lot of smoke out there that he's fanning. this is the problem, is that he's saying i've heard these things, these are hearsay. he's saying he has an informant, not explaining more about that. there seemed to be on the republican side major colleagues who are more than fanning these flames. i mean suggesting that something is very amiss at the fbi. >> particularly on the house side, let's face it. on the house side there is a very concerted effort by the house members to go after the fbi -- >> meaning what? you mean the mystery memo? >> whatever it is. there's the mystery memo. if these people have something more substantive than hearsay

and what they heard, let them come forward. in the meantime there is fire where the mueller investigation is leading. that's what we ought to be focused on. do we not care that there's a foreign country that is trying screw with our elections? we care. at least i think most of us care except the president. >> what are you saying there? >> the fact that all our intel agencies say russia tried to interfere with our elections. we know there's all kinds of evidence that the president is trying to enter sphere, obstruct the investigation. i would say the obstruction claims against the president can be substance eighted and we need to let the mueller investigation proceed. >> very quickly, let me ask you about what the president said yesterday. he said that he -- it sounded like he favors a pathway to citizenship for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. were you surprised by that position? >> that's great. that's today. in the meantime i would like the senate to be the senate and do what we need to do. my hope is before february 8th

we'll come to agreement on long-term protections for the d.r.e.a.m.ers and their parents. i realize we need to talk about strengthening border security. i'm open to that. yes, part of a long-term protection of dreamers is to provide a path to citizenship. i'm glad the president -- >> you're glad he's come around to that position. >> that's today. >> if the price tag for citizenship is $25 billion for the border wall, et cetera, are you willing to go there? >> when i was at the meeting at the white house on tuesday, i specifically asked the president, what about the $18 billion you want for a wall. he said we can do it for far less. today he's talking about $23 million or billion or whatever it is. i know that border security is going to be on the table. whether it's a wall or whatever it is, we will talk about border security. at the same time we need to move forward and keep our attention very focused on the urgency of addressing the daca/d.r.e.a.m.er

situation. that's what we ought to be proceeding toward. and i hope we can get it done by february 8th. i hope we're not going to open up the debate to everything else. in an immigration sense, we should have comprehensive immigration reform which on tuesday the president said he would like us to do in phase two. >> i do remember that as well. >> the whole country remembers that because he said that on camera. >> that's right. we do have the luxury of video tape to replay. senator mazie hirona, thank you. we now know the answer to one of the biggest questions in politics. will oprah winfrey run for president? the answer next. [ click, keyboard clacking ]

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reporters. we'll rerack there. >> he says it's good to be here. >> america is doing great. >> and that it's great to be here. might have said something else. but alisyn was talking -- >> he said happy to be here. >> this is going to be a comfort zone for the president. it's also somewhat of a first. we haven't had a u.s. president at the world economic forum in quite some time. he knows a lot of the financial players that are there. he counts some of them as friends. he did not come with his chief of staff. that was a point of controversy. we're told general john kelly stayed behind to work on the immigration deal. >> he'll be meeting with the british prime minister shortly. we'll bring you all the developments from davos. meanwhile, we have major breaking news. oprah winfrey has finally addressed the rumors about his

possible presidential run in 2020. as you all know, there's been a lot of speculation and talk and excitement from oprah followers that the talk show legend would throw her hat into the ring after a rousing and empowering speech at the golden globe awards. >> hyped by a lot of people in the media who believed it was going to happen. >> it would be a fun race with a car for everyone. now there's this new interview with "instyle" magazine and he said, i've always felt very security and confident with myself in knowing what i could do and could not. so it is not something that interests me. i don't have the dna for it. i hear oprah followers, hearts breaking around the world. >> now, camerota and i have an ongoing series of bets about things that are right and not wrong. i have an almost embarrassing

success ratio. few have given me the pleasure that this is. one of the reasons it's such a blessing sitting next to alisyn. i don't view something of great value in life and on tv. no memory of when she's wrong. no memory. and is unaffected by any knowledge that she actually did say. she said we'll run. we have it digitized. you said she will run. i said she will not. our wager was a hena tattoo of the winner on the forehead of the loser. >> no recollection of this. >> you don't think that's what you said? >> if i did, i without on the have been a problem. >> if i come in with a c.c. on my forehead, you know what happened. >> if i'm not here, you know i tried to make that happen and i got jersey. judge throws the book at disgraced former usa gymnastics doctor larry nassar and with all the good reason in the world.

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the fallout from the sexual as salt sentencing of larry nassar was almost immediate. michigan state university's president resigned yesterday over the school's mishandling of the nassar case. more than 150 women gave victim impact statements. the judge punctuated the sentence by telling nassar, i just signed your death warrant. cnn's jean casarez has been live in east lansing, michigan, for this case. jean, what the judge did yesterday was so unusual and just riveting. >> reporter: legal history has been made by the case, no question about it. one thing, in the last week and a half, the survivors as they told their story, they set up a timeline of who they went do, officials and when, saying

exactly what happened to them at the hands of larry nassar and nothing was done. now these survivors are banning together. that want answers. >> this is way bigger than him. this is about the institutions that protected him. everyone in the world should be outraged right now. if you aren't, you should examine why. >> the victims of disgraced former gymnastics doctor larry nassar demanding answers, calling for accountability for the institutions that employed him for decades, despite years of sexual abuse complaints. >> we're not going to heal all the way until we know who knew what when and how they'll fix it. >> reporter: the president of michigan state university where nassar worked for 20 years stepping down wednesday saying in a statement, as tragedies are politicized, blame is inevitable. as president it is only natural that i am the focus of this

anger. simon's resignation coming hours after nassar was sentenced to up to 175 years in prison. >> it is my honor and privilege to sentence you because, sir, you do not deserve to walk outside of a prison ever again. i just signed your death warrant. >> reporter: before the sentencing, nassar apologizing to his victims. >> wour words these past several days, your words, your words, have had a significant emotional effect on myself and have shaken me to my core. >> reporter: judge alkaline nah juks mowsing his words with a letter he recently sent the court accusing the victims of lying. >> they are seeking the media attention and financial reward. you still think somehow you are right, that you are a doctor, that you're entitled, that you don't have to listen, and that

you did treatment. i wouldn't send my dogs to you, sir. >> reporter: the sentencing marking the end of an extraordinary seven days of testimony from more than 150 of nassar's victims that concluded with rachel den hollen der, the first gymnast to publicly accuse nassar of abuse in 2016. >> larry sought out and took pleasure in little girls and women being sexually injured and violated because he liked it. >> you are the bravest person i have ever had in my courtroom. >> thank you. >> thank you. [ applause ] >> reporter: one thing the judge emphasized yesterday that, if not for investigative journalism which broke this case, that nassar would still be practicing. he would still possibly be with

the usag and he would be assaulting young women right here in michigan. alisyn? >> jean, thank you very much. appreciate it. it is good to see the conclusion here. hopefully it means something to all of those victims. joining me now is one of the reporters who broke the story of larry nassar's long history of abuse, mark alicia. he writes for the "indianapolis star." mark, let's just remind people of the nature of the significance of this reporting. take us back to when it started and how hard it was for you and other journalists to get some hooks into this situation, the obstacles you faced and the resistance to it being true. >> well, in 2016 my colleague marissa kwiatkowski received a tip about a court case in southern georgia where usa gymnastics was being sued by a club level gymnast for negligence. she had been molested by a coach

who had been reported years earlier to usa gymnastics in very stark terms. one of the letters said, stop him before he rapes somebody. but they did nothing. as we found in our reporting, they had an official policy not to do anything unless they had a signed complaint from a parent or a signed complaint from an athlete which experts told me is exactly the wrong thing to do. >> because? why is that the wrong thing? why is that an unreasonable expectation? >> because there are any number of other people who might be in a situation to report something that's happening. perhaps a young woman herself doesn't want to come forward. perhaps she doesn't even want to share with her parents. perhaps a friend overheard

something or the gymnast confided in her. it's just an awful policy. >> we've seen this be true in so many different contexts. now it's been blown wide open. i want you to hear and the audience to hear the words that one of the prosecutors shared about what led to justice in this case. >> it shouldn't take investigative journalists to expose predators. it should not take one brave woman put in the unenviable position and choice to go public with her name and be the only public person for months. but thank god we had these journalists and that they exposed this truth and they continued to cover this story. >> she's talking about you, your investigating partner and other journalists who stayed on this. and it's parent to these families, mark, what you did. i know it's one of the things that drives your interest in the

pursuit of journalism and it made a difference in this. we may not have seen this justice without you. so thanks from all of us in the community who are trying to echo the efforts of people like you. >> i appreciate that. >> so do the families. to hear these kids, how so much of their life was stolen from them by this man, and who knows if it would have ever come to light to this extent. the best to you, and i look forward to your reporting in the future. >> thank you. >> mark alesia, a name you ordinarily wouldn't know unless you're in indianapolis and reading the star. he made an impact. hundreds and hundreds of peep's lives affected by his dogged determination and the people he worked with and the other reporters that did this to get it right. >> absolutely. and the judge made so many powerful points yesterday. again, i told jean this, it was riveting tv. she allowed cameras in the courtroom which is also really valuable, to watch how justice plays out. >> a strong point made.

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