let's just be real quiet because there is a lot of wind today. >> probably get a big one. >> are you ready to shoot a big one? >> yeah. >> well, we're going try. >> looks like there's deer out there. >> yeah, there is deer everywhere. pretty good one. >> do you think i can shoot that one? >> you have to be able to age him. you have to be able to tell how old he is before we make that decision. >> she is going to walk up through. she is curious. two bucks right there. >> yeah, a good one.

okay. just get comfortable and get ready. take your time. and aim just to the right leg of the feeder, okay? you can wait if you want, but that's a shelter shot right there. >> you put him down, son. what's that spike? >> oh, he is getting up, dad? >> he's not going anywhere, don't worry. >> you shot the doe. >> okay, let's go. >> yes. >> see your hands shaking? all right. let's go. good job, buddy.

look at the horns on this guy. hoo, look at that. that's a textbook shot, jasper. hold this gun like this. how's that? >> that's good. >> head up like this, okay? >> because if it's young, it doesn't look right. >> let's try that. oh, that's what we want. right there. smile. first trophy buck. go like this. smile. we're done. okay. as they say, that's history. no more doe and spike culling for you. you're on to the big trophies.

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deep breaths. >> breathing is good. level. >> the brush. >> yeah. >> little run. >> the operation goes very quickly. it's painless. probably less danger than a

human being having its wisdom tooth out. he will be back with his friends within minutes. it will take about two years before he goes through the same procedure again, and we know that the poachers prefer rhinos with long hornsnd pointed horns. every two years to save his life, i think if he had opinion to give to you, he would say i'm very happy to sacrifice my horn in order to save my life. there he is, already walking normally. he looks fine. ♪

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the big one. >> pull it to the side. scott, scott, scott. [ speaking foreign language ] >> keep it on the grass. [ growling ]

>> you are closing his nose. he must breathe. you can't put your hand there. let me close your nose also. okay, thank you, guys. there is a big industry in our country, not just the crocodiles. the lion, the saber, the buffalo. everything is breed for purpose at the end of the day. so sure, some of them will be hunted. we are as humans going to eat it. we're going to use the skins. and that's the cycle of life. john, john! john.

hello? yes. yes. [ speaking foreign language ] >> slowly, slowly, slowly. they are still wild animals even if they're kept in captivity like this. they will kill you in an instant and eat you up. once it's closed up, you load it on and he is ready for transport to his next destination.

♪ ♪ >> if you don't come to vegas, i think your business eventually won't make it. this is the place to come. and everyone tries to be better than the next person. that's breeding lions or buffalo or sable. it's their passion to have wild game and be able to breed them and make sure you get the quality and genetics and all that. you're actually proud of it.

>> the international show is the largest hunting convention in the planet. we have 2,000 booths that are out there on the floor. we'll probably run 20,000 different folks through here from all over the world. you'll be able to see anything you want in terms of hunting, hunting support and conservation. >> big cats. >> i know that a lot of people are confused, how hunting and conservation go together. >> hunt south africa on a ten-day hunt. >> about two hours ago there was an auction item that was an elephant hunt. >> 22,5, let's go. come on, blow them out of the water.

>> and that elephant hunt sold for about $50,000. and that money will all go back into conservation. >> not exchangeable nor included. $29,000. >> i don't why, my little granddaughter says. i don't know why my grandma wants to shoot a zebra. i'm losing face with my 3-year-old granddaughter because i'm going to go shoot a zebra. and crocodiles are really mean. so i don't feel bad about shooting one of those. besides, i want a pair of boots, and a purse and a wallet and a belt. >> you can not only pick the species you want, but you can pick the actual animal you want. so you can see if you want a male or a female, older, younger, color, type of fur. you can just pick whatever animal you want from the menu that they offer you. see the price and book the kill.

>> the safari club convention is the ultimate meat market for exotic species. and one of the prime attraction is to get a big five grand slam. and so you shoot one of each of the following species. buffalo, which would cost you about $8,000, $9,000. leopards for about $20,000. elephants for $45,000. lions for $50,000. and the most expensive because its rarest, the rhino for $350,000. there is all this sort of stuff that encourages this collecting, this obsessiveness for more and more and more. and the status is applied to the individual hunter who achieves those ends. >> i happened to be at safari club and they were discussing fish and wildlife and all the bans they kept instituting. there was a rumor they wanted to put lions on the threatened list

and further regulate their take. i decided at the moment if the big five was my goal, i had to step my plans up drastically. ready. [ gunshot ] >> wait, wait, wait. take em. i love it. >> it's exciting to see people get here. they're going on a big hunt, so they're excited. they've worked hard to earn the money to pay for this hunt. they come here with anticipation. they come here with a lot of nervousness because in africa, it is dangerous. >> right on the edge of a herd of elephants. you hit him, hit him again until he's down. sound good? >> sounds good. >> follow me up here.

>> if you go back 1,000 years, the balance of nature was pretty stable. unfortunately, man has kind of screwed this up. we have encroached on so much natural land that species -- all the species now have to be managed. too many elephants in botswana. >> hit him again. down, it's down. of course, we can't do this with live animals. kind of gets you pumped up, what you're going to feel on the real deal. >> hunter's remorse. it's not been something i've experienced recently. but as a child, i certainly remember it. >> thank you for flying. >> when i was little boy, i remember i had a bb gun. i can vividly remember my mother

telling me, you can go shoot birds, but don't shoot a red bird. what did i do? i went and shot a red bird. and i can still remember holding that bird in my hands and looking at its beak and seeing how beautiful it was and how it was made. right there in that moment, i realized that there is no way i could have loved that bird any more, even though it was dead. and i think a lot of us as trophy hunters feel the same way. we just -- we just want that experience to go and hunt that animal one time. we really just want one.

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>> oh. now what? >> it's a day -- >> an adult rhino? >> yeah. >> has she got a calf, johnny? >> yeah, she's got a big 2-year-old calf. >> 2-year-old calf. >> yeah. >> it never stops, does it? >> yeah. heartbreaking. poor calf. doesn't know what to do with itself.

>> the goal of this farm and myself is to breed 200 rhinos a year. i have lost quite a few of my breeding stock. disease will always be a factor. unfortunately, so will poaching. the odds are stacked against them. and i'm always for the underdog. but more to the point i got to know them. and they are the last animal in the world that deserves the persecution. they don't deserve it.

they are the nicest, most user friendly animal that wants to stay this side of extinction. >> they definitely are the most magical creatures. i can sit and watch them for hours and hours and hours. and they're ancient. they don't look like they belong in today's life. yet they're still here. i'm hoping that people get a whiff of cases like this, what we're trying to do here, that more of them will start opening their own breeding operations so hopefully together we can revive the numbers. before we destroy another species because of mankind.

>> almost every other wild animal has to be killed to get what people want. whether that is horn, skin, meat, rhino is the only exception. and that's why i concentrate on rhinos. because you don't have to hunt them. you don't have to kill them. in fact, you shouldn't. because they're growing gold for you. the rhino horn belief has been around for millions of years. unfortunately, more people believe in rhino horns than there are christians on this earth. so it's very difficult to tell 600 million christians or whatever that god doesn't exist. by the same token, you're not going to tell people rhino horn doesn't work. >> this one weighs about 4 kilos. in vietnam on the black market, the retail value of this one would be about a quarter

million. it's more expensive than gold or heroin by weight. >> the illogical part of it is i have four ton of rhino horn in expensive security. which very conservatively i could get $60 million. but we're not allowed to sell it. when i started this project, it was legal to sell rhino horn in south africa. in 2009, our government put a moratorium on the trade in rhino horn. but since the ban, poaching has skyrocketed.

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maybe somebody is watching for crocs. i hope. a little hole right there. it's all good.

>> this is one of the last destinations in probably africa where there are no fences. it's absolutely open. you have to work for your trophy. we believe here that if you want to hunt, it's all in the food. it's walk and stalk. it's giving also the animal a chance. so for us, the three things is if he hears you, he smells you, or if he sees you, it's game over. >> the buildup to pulling that trigger in my case started 18

months ago. so it's a long buildup to that point. preparation, planning, buying plane tickets, paying a deposit on safari. talking with your ph about the plans, how are we going to hunt them? all this stalking, planning. and then finding that the animal is coming. and that animal is there. and then you pull the trigger. and then boom, you got him. and then all of that anticipation changes into a different emotion of joy and relief and excitement and anticipation. because you want to go over to him and see how -- what does he look like? what does he feel like? what does he -- where did he fall?

>> look at this one. no, no, no. that's a young bull. let's go back. let's go. let's go, let's go.

>> i think it's too dangerous. too many. and too close. >> all the ones i saw had big tusks. >> but the female. it's all female. we're looking for an old, old animal that we can harvest for meat. >> keep going. >> for the better part of two centuries now, you've had this hunting culture, first in britain and now in america that it's somehow rugged and exciting to be out in the wilderness and

hunting. and teddy roosevelt bought into that when he hunted thousands of animals, something like 5,000 mammals and started to record all these kills. the hunters' accounts of what they're doing makes me sick to my stomach sometimes about finding this amazing bull elephant and putting a bullet in the animals head. and that gives them a rush of excitement. now they cak that in money, conservation, helping people. so yeah, roosevelt is declaring all these parks national parks and protecting wilderness. but he is also killing thousands of animals at the same time because he wanted to be able to do that hunting. he wanted to be able to consume those wild animals. the hunting industry is trying to convince people that the way it was in roosevelt's time is the way it still is today. >> a hunter was somebody who was willing to go out and spend three weeks walking around on foot, tracking an elephant,

tracking a lion to shoot it and take home the trophy. there was a challenge. there was a sense of sport. but what has happened in the last 10 or 15 years has been a growing segment of the hunting demographic which we refer to as the shooters. and the shooters may have to spend as much money as it takes to get a three-week permit. but if they can kill everything in the first two days, they'll do it and fly home. it's that mentality that really fed the birth of the canned hunting industry. basically, you go shopping at some import/export place, and you've got your rug. you've got your mantle piece. but it's not sport. it's just killing. [ gunshot ]

[ gunshot ] >> shit, i'm out of bullets. >> piece of shit. easy now. >> that is one big ass [ bleep ] crocodile. >> i tell you, worth every penny of it as long as we can fetch it out. >> something is coming out there. >> oh, look. >> that's -- oh, my gosh. that's not yours. that yours? >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> no. but i want to shoot it right now. i want to have two. >> that can't be yours swimming like that. that's impossible. >> i don't know what that is. it keeps turning. >> i'm not sure. >> is that the one?

>> i'll shoot it with this one. put my beer down and not drop it. >> here. >> what's this? >> their blood. >> blood? >> oh, the last crocodile. >> it's just waiting for us to get close. oh, it's moving its eye. >> just shoot in the brain. [ gunshot ] >> god. >> oh, yeah, mother. [ laughter ] >> now it's destroyed. >> they'll fix it. they'll fix it.

that's what taxidermists do. >> that's why you pay them. >> now we're done for the day. it's party time, boy. >> how much for that sucker? >> that's a big lion. >> $35,000? >> how much was cecil? >> cecil was expensive, like $50,000. >> make sure there's no mistake on the trophies, okay? put it in so we know tomorrow what they start with.

i was in the cattle industry for like 10, 12 years. and because we had a lot of game in the area, i had some other outfitters those years which always contact me and say, please, can i bring a client over who would like to come and hunt? and i say fine, meet the clients. and then i start meeting overseas clients. and it looked to me like it can become a good business. so what we offer our clients is there is a lodge. there is a jacuzzi and a hunting area. you can drive around, try and spot the animals. you get off and you try to get the client up to a point where he can have a clear, good shot at the animal. [ gunshot ] >> good shot. >> good shot, buddy. >> normally in the middle of the day, when it's really hot, we bring the clients in to the blind area where they can sit down for the rest of the afternoon. so it's making really comfortable.

the client can stand straight up and be able to shoot through that slot over there. it's maybe like 25 yards. we will put some feeders out as well so the animals can only come into certain areas where there is water for drinking. then we clear out around all these water points where the blinds are. because you would like to see the animals when they come in. and that makes it exciting hunt. and it makes it a natural environment, which is very important. but if you kill, you're just wasting petrol. no photo safari here. you should get a guide who kills things. sorry. just keep in mind, we don't feed no americans if they don't shoot something. >> i would love to have a giraffe. i probably would shoot it myself too. he says it's too expensive and we don't have room for it in our house. i will find room for it in our house.

even if i probably would have to build on to the trophy room, which i don't want to. >> a beautiful animal. i got one of those last year. i still have a warthog and a baboon and a bush buck, a bush pig, a caracal. the list is still pretty big. we have the rest of this day and two more days to hunt. so we'll try to do our best to get the most on the list. but it's not as easy. it seems like once we're going for them, they're real skittish. >> get all this grass out of the way. wash all the blood off.

>> animals get the feeling and get used the experience that allowed them to go after the big five. >> the most expensive one. >> damn, that was a good shot. >> beautiful photo. >> yes. >> now i'm happy she got a second one. and oil's up $2. >> oil's up. >> oil's up $2. let's add another one to the list. let's add that bitch to the list. r $5.99? yes. and yes. yessss! introducing the deal you want on the pizza you crave. two medium pizzas just $5.99 each. no one outpizzas the hut.

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the breeding is very important because that's where the money is. the money is in the breeding. >> we've had buffalo go for between $4 and $5 million u.s. dollars and sable bulls go for $4 or $5 million u.s. dollars. it's good for the three and a big demand on the market for it. >> you have the capitalist system, the profit motive making money off wildlife. so it's a remarkable development, but in south africa, they went through an incredible period of removing nature from their countryside in the 1800s. and they literally removed everything. it's only been in the last 20 to 25 years that there has been

this recognition that they could take private land and private owners themselves could profit by restoring these areas. now, until recently, this land was mostly used to livestock, but a lot of people decided, well, we could get more revenue if we do game ranching. you'd actually get much more money than raising cows. in this model, they're filling the market by first growing rarer species like sable that are still attractive for hunters and you can start breeding your buffalos so they have abnormally huge horns. then as the market sat rates people are thinking, uhe, well, you know, i've if got all this land and we can bring back biggive for. now you've actually got a restored ecosystem. and so this has been a success story. there are far more lions in

south africa now than there were 100 years ago. there is far more predators in general in south africa than there were a few years ago. initially it may have been because this would have involved the slaughter of some animals, but you could go towards a more naturallistic thing that could not have happened otherwise. if we're only going to restrict what we view as doe midwest catersed animals to those speeches who have been d-- i think that there are a few species like rhino that there should be rhino farms. and one needs to recognize that what they've achieved in south africa should not be lost.

>> this was a breeding buffalo bull. this buffalo bull was bought for millions and eventually he was done breeding. and we had to put him out there for hunting. so we got the canadian client came over and he was very happy to harvest such a beautiful trophy. so nothing goes for waste. nothing. even that animal. and we hope will we have like maybe there are 50 or 70 babies of his running around, but eventually one day he's going to be honored to put him up in the trophy room where someone can walk in and say, you know what, that was a top breeder and still be honored today as you look at him and see it was a great trophy. he makes a real great trophy. >> do you ever get attached to a lion that it is hard to release it for a hunt? is there some animal like that, this one, i --

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okay. [ gunshots ] >> yeah! >> through the hip. did you see that? congratulations. [ laughter ] >> got him running away. >> oh, mercy.

>> he's done. >> maybe if you come to the side. >> where? >> to the chest. >> straight through there. >> yeah.

>> let's turn a little bit back. he's finished. >> cigarette?

>> is he an old one, phillip? >> no. just a bull. >> trophy quality of a big elephant, he will never grow big. so, yeah.

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>> the elephant is an elephant that we have to hunt for the community as part of the quota. they get some animals that they can harvest for meat. 15 years ago, people poached animals because they want meat and there was no value to the animal for them. now they know they must protect the wildlife. it's not only the meat, there is actually money going back to their pockets. ♪

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>> these are reoccurring problems and can't carry on like this. somebody's going to get eaten. it's just a matter of time. maybe it's better cry about a dead lion and we don't croix

about a dead person. better that way. >> we go to extreme lengths to keep animals from being shot in the problem animal control program. probably 95% of the time we can get the animals out of the communities and get them back to where they're belong and try to keep the two separated because they don't mix well, and people are killed every year by elephant and hippo and crocodile and lion. that's part of life. part of life here, anyway, certainly. lions come in, just absolutely destroy a guy's livelihood and he doesn't have a way to support himself in the future. at the eptd of the day, we're

fighting a poaching war. >> we try to recruit people. we do campaigns trying to teach people and explain to them the importance of animals. the problem is people, they are suffering. so they are forced now to get into the bush, to make a living. -- to get into poaching to make a living. >> stay. stay. stay. be a good boy. be good, boy. stay, honey. stay. >> no, david, you don't. let me tell you, you definitely don't. that one or there was only 14 months old.

i think two of them were pregnant and then another cow with a young calf was also wounded. she still has a bullet in her brisket. whether that will prove fatal or not, we don't know. [ bleep ] sick. they can give you ten, 12 even 13 calves if their life. that is all wiped out. in one moment. . >> the bodies were actually m e mutilated. that means there are definitely locals involved.

>> i'm suspicious about the camp monster because i know him and he knows how to go and stand in the middle of them quietly and then maybe, you know, two guys, one banging that side and one banging this side. that's how i pictured it in my nightmare. >> so where does that leave me? >> what i was saying we're going to have a harder thing convincing the pro-trades. >> you mean the anti-trades? convincing the anti-trades, you meanier. >> i know that better than any of you. i'm there. i'm in the fight all day and

every day so i know that. >> i am not perro and i'm not anti-. both of those approaches have met inases and not mit. because the motives behind the commercial acts are very seldom conservation-based. they are profit-based and they sell it to the public on the basis of -- >> it pays, it stays. >> just be for the rhinos, not for my cause. that's all i [ bleep ] want. be for the rhinos. try to keep them alive. that's all i'm [ bleep ] asking everybody. >> you and i can sit and have a discussion. >> let me tell you something, if you an anti-trade then you are anti-legal trade. there are two things i want you to think about. firstly, you are keeping the money away from me which i need to protect my rhino. secondly, if you're anti-legal

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>> the husband had been going into the bush and shooting elephants. that network over the years, probably over the last ten years would have accounted for a couple thousand elephant, at least. so, yeah, they're bad guys. done a lot of bad things. >> tell this [ bleep ] lady now we are tired of this. we are going to -- >> quickly. quickly!

>> they're going to grow up to be in the same system.

>> there is no future there. otherwise you can die leaving your family behind or to be jailed and you are young guys with plenty of future at your side. i know if we stay like this, we will end up -- that's not going forward. >> we're fighting the war for the community. this community. and another community further away want these elephants' teeth, worth a lot of money and they will go to all length to get what they want. so, yeah, we need to look in the mirror of it. i make a point of it. every single morning i look in the mirror because we've got to make sure that we don't cross the bounds. that we can't lose our humanity for humanity. i think that's really important.

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friends -- who are the friends of your rhino? you feel you can't trust anybody. >> i won't be able to guarantee zero losses on this property, but i can say to you that most of those incidents are a direct result of having the wrong people on site with not the right equipment, not the right training, not being highly motivated. >> so we will now change the policy completely to have elite reaction unit. i don't necessarily want them in a body bag, but i would like to upset them. for them to say, no, no, no, you don't want to go to that place. >> we have a chase of shots being fired. >> while a lot of the politicians are praying for peace, we are praying for war.

more conflict is probably needed in this arena to sort out the problem. >> quite frankly, i feel poor because they're all very expensive. radar seems to something between 10 and 20 million. this chopper here is costing me nearly 1 million a month. then there is the underground man and the bloody information man and -- derek, would that have come through as an alarm if you tapped it on the top of the fence? i mean, why did they come in here? they walked from that bottom row. all the way up here into this camp to come poach these. why? just because they're [ bleep ] with my head or why?

you feel very helpless, you know. good morning, darlings. let me scratch you. this one is 4 months old. >> i don't think anybody ever thought any private person would have 1,300 rhinos. and next year we're going to have 200 more, maybe. but i suppose it's an addiction, i would think. >> and where do you think it's going to stop? >> when he kicks the bucket, i guess. then hopefully one of his sons will carry on. he won't stop before he's 6 foot

under. >> my dream is to carry on what my dad's doing, to carry on with the rhino breeding. unfortunately, i wouldn't breed rhino because it's too expensive and it's very high-risk. i mean, we've had death threats here at the house. if i see what he's gone through in sort of the last 15 years, his financial position has got gradually worse and worst the more rhino he's acquired, you know? >> i have invested $50 million in this project. with virtually no return. >> this project will come to an end unless it is making money.

i can go on selling my assets, but it is not sustainable in the long run. i used to have six resorts. i used to have over 3,000 beds. all the resorts have been, and this is the last one that will be sold on auction. >> at $24 million for the first time, for the second time at $24 million. thank you, ma'am. it's yours. [ applause ] >> after taking various advice,

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sure. >> we believe that the approachers would have shot an elephant today and we hope to meet them on the ride. and explain to them that this no longer happens in this area. it was a sting operation in the district south of us where a lot of our own poachers come from and what had transpired was a guy whipped out a knife, tried to stab the police officer. he was shot. he died. shortly after that. yeah, i don't know. it was a bit strange because the next day i had to go in and

shoot an elephant on behalf of the council. but walking up to that elephant, which is an incredibly dangerous thing to do, and you have this huge adrenaline rush as you're walking up to it, it's -- your hearts going, your head's going, you need to cleanly shoot this animal. and as it falls -- it falls to the floor after your shot, there is just this huge drop of emotion, for me, anyway. and it's -- to me, really sad. it turns from this beautiful animal into this floppy mess of gray skin. to me, shooting an elephant is

hard. i understand it's got to be done and i have to do it sometimes, but it's a tough call, eh. yeah, it's an emotional thing, killing an animal. think that's part of the hunting. people have this huge build-up and then this emotional switch. i get that. so i understand maybe if others get it and maybe it becomes a passionate addiction. i don't know. ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ happy birthday dear phillip ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ and many more ♪ >> cheers. your hair's all wild. you just spilled it. what are you, some kind of wild

animal. >> mom, dad, y'all watch. phillip's opening his gift. >> oh, i remember what these are. [ laughter ] >> birthday cheers on your quest for the big 5. something merlot. and some kind of chocolates. is that what that is? >> happy birthday. >> thank you. >> well, unfortunately, this is my birthday present, i guess. they've listed the lions as threatened and all lions as threatened and then another species as endangered. so effectively, lion hunting is over. when this all goes into effect, i don't know. we're just a few months out so maybe we're okay, maybe we're not. maybe we have to go to a different country. maybe the whole trip is ruined. i don't know. so i think the thing that makes me the maddest is this service director dan ash says that, and

i quote, that it's a privilege not a right for us to bring back these trophies from other countries. you know, i don't think he was elected by anybody. i think he's an appointed bureaucrat and he has no right to tell me what my rights are and what a privilege of being a u.s. citizen is. i'm going to be the first hunter in there for the hunting season, and we planned it that way. so i'm going as early as i can in this coming year, but it might not be early enough. >> there are about 150 farms in south africa that have permits to keep and breed lions. about 70% of all hunters are coming from the u.s. and canada. and right now, the importation of lion trophies will be much more difficult and that will give my industry a severe blow. if we can't get hunters to hunt

our lions, we slaughter the lions and sell their bones. >> what other alternative is there? if you cannot look after your animals and there is no value to your animals, how will you look after them? where will you find the money to feed them if you take away the value of it. i have to get rid of it. there is no other option from me. walk away from my place, let people shoot them, euthanize them. what else? what can you expect me to do? i can't just let them open the camps and let them run out free and kill people. >> just once in awhile an individual animal can capture the public imagination and

change public attitudes. >> worldwide outrage over the death of cecil the lion. >> cecil's death created a public groundswell of opinion that's been translated into real action. >> i eat hamburgers. that was not a hunt. that was a murder. >> this guy must move quite a collection of animal heads. here he is posing next to a bear he shot. he killed half of noah's arc. >> killing a lion for sport, we'll always be together, right? >> no, we won't. >> [ bleep ], you hunted cecil the lion. >> y'all stop talking about it

because i am going to get really hungry. >> you are being hunted. >> in wake of public outrage over the killing of cecil the lion, bans are being issued of carrying for trophies. >> the scope and the outdoor gear and it makes the big corporate players in this. think carefully about how closely they wish to be associated with certain practices. i think that will change and it will change fast and people will say i don't want to be apart of this. >> we'll shame those people and

ostricize these people. >> these are not just lions. >> he cannot no longer afford to pay all that. are we going to say enough is enough. we were not allowed that to happen. welcome. >> i am here tonight to moderate a debate between two very prompt innocent conservationists. the trevor born free foundation and mr. john hughes. >> in ruling the public, don't l forget that. he rules the public. that's why he is so good at it.

[ applause ] >> i am a retired developer and now custodian to 143 lions. >> i cannot see what is wrong with that when my rhinos are happy alive, come and see them where they are. i have the recipe that it takes a lot of money and i have a way to raise the money without going begging all over the world. all it need is for it to be leave. >> i don't think there is any legitimate case for you having these animals in private areas where you can harvest and profit from them and put them in the international market where we can lead to more destruction. >> excuse me, sir, i don't think

you understand africa. you don't understand africa. >> how many consumers do you supply? >> i am from my own every two years. i can produce with my current supplier. >> oh, rhino, what about the risk of the population? they must do the same. that's why i want to give them to community and i want to teach the community. >> once you flood your market? >> you want me to live up and let my rhino dies? >> what about global rhino? >> let them do the same thing. >> you have to speak for all rhinos and not just yours. >> the if it pays, it stays principle. elephants will stay, lions will stay if the wealthy elites can shoot them.

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going into the international trade. >>. [ inaudible ] >> the department and none of its reports of the way of dealing with et. >> the department accepts that that the way to deal to poaching. >> no, the report does not accept it. it is one of those contributing factors. it does not define that it is the only one. >> if we do not do that now, the escalation of poaching continues. >> no, my lord. the reasons why there is continued poaching are complicated. that's the department's version. >> what do you say this is?

i have been breeding rhinos for a very long time. >> they prefer not to allow hunting and that's a choice not to export it in a particular way. if you hunt, you can sell to tourist and the tourists can peck and go. the event, we have brought 2,000 rhinos, say, for example, mr. yem is down by one. where is the percereservation oe

rhinos. >> considered the moment, it is on the brink of extinction, what is to say, you can gone to some income. oh. it is actually quite sad that the environmental and the results and allegation in the midst of all people trying to preserve the species. you can have it killed. >> if there were only ten left in the world, yeah, it is the same argument. then we'll be down to one and we'll put it to the museum. >> oh my gosh. [ laughter ] >> i got this one. >> you got this one?

>> we are coming back. >> you bet. they like to talk about the number and conservation and the fact that they enjoy killing. that's psychopathic here. we are seeing a lot of progress for animals and the change is coming. we are going to put an end to this. >> i am actually a conservation and i am conscious of what we do of hunting. >> i am all hunting. >> no matter the results. >> i am all for hunting. >> the money that comes in from hunting in those areas of those is twhat keeps them there.

>> do you think your money is going anywhere. >> you are breathing corruption. >> if you want to boot schools, whyo you have to shoot an animal. >> that's apart of an industry. >> murder is murder. >> did you murder a chicken that you had for lunch. >> i don't eat meat, sweetheart. i am vegan. >> okay, okay. >> i have regards for all species and all living and breathing things. >> shame on you. >> coward! >> it is human nature to be empathetic to the individuals. the animal rights organization, that's their thinking is the individual. as if that's somehow going to protect the entire area and the whole ecosystem. they think in terms of bambi or

symbol. we know fifi and we send out photographs to our donors then, that's great. okay? >> fifi maybe in the middle place and you are ignoring every one else and all people are cutting away and they are filling for us and bringing livestock right next to fifi and it is all ghost. they're ignoring the fact that local people are being killed by l lions and losing their crops that they do not share their value system. if you cannot empathize with the local people then you are not at all successful protecting in the long-term. on the other hand, you have the hunters who convinced where they operate, they're the last support to protect these areas but to an an mall welfare

organization, no. no animal must die. >> the reality of hunting is yes, there are a few places of hunting does make a difference. in many areas, the economic don't adds up. they don't generate a lot of money and the land is being losslos lossloss and corrupt country that we see, everything is fine. no, it is not fine, things are declining. >> what we do is run the camp and manage the area and we get a daily rate when farmers come to hunt here which subsidizes the money that i have to run my purchase. >> you can imagine all that dusts and dirt and rain and

firearms taking a bit. all the ak's y, you cannot real run with it. we are fighting to safe this for the community while people kill it. [ laughter ] >> it is sounds really weird. we are fighting to safe it so somebody can kill it. it comes back to control ethic, morals, sustainability. you can assimilate the two and commercial hunters. the differences is they shoot anything from at. literally anything and they'll

shoot every last one that there is because there is a commercial driven desire for their teeth. hunting side, if it is done correctly when it is carefully measured off take, i can live with that. killing every last animal, i cannot li wive with that, that' just wrong. this is jim.

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you are loaded up. >> load up point i . you know we are going the leave base. how much am i paying for the hippo? >> how much for the buffalo? 5-5. >> okay. >> okay. [ gunshot ]

>> this is one of 17 that we put up so far, hippo and zebra. they're acting up very quick. hopefully, we'll catch it the next two days while it is still fresh and give us a little bit of luck. >> the bible says he gave man to overall animals and so i think it is a big part of it. it is a big part of appreciating god's creation. some people think how can you go out and shoot god's creation. that's a totally false statement

and false point of view. we have diminions. it is a very powerful statementn he bible. [ gunshots i think it does make it special for me as a believer to go out there to pursue these animals knowing that god placed them. when i put my hands on that line, i can promise you evolution is a complete fool. i cannot understand how people can understand that god breed animals into existence.

>> there it is. it is a big lion. >> a thought came to mind as i was coming here and began to feel the emotions and the anticipation of this big hunt. you know i have been a hunter my whole life. they say i fell out of the hunting vehicle when i was two or three-year-old and landed on

my head, maybe that's what's wro wrong with me. i lost my dad a few years ago and he was a hunter. he would do funny things to me to make me learn how to hunt. we have been a pick up and whether there is a rabbit or a dear, summer or winter, he would be driving along and he would say some gains. i would have to find the animal and get out of the vehicle and go take a shot. [ laughter ] >> my damad challenged me in my ways. that was just one way. >> i think he would be tickled to tell the people back at home at the coffee shop. when i say that, i mean the dairy queen. his son was out hunting the lion. i think if he was around, he would get a big kick out of it.

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but the whole pattern is really important. i never kept a piece of work, ever. one day i will end up buying skin from the zoo that's expired and creating my own little private museum. even if it is private, it is still something and i will p preserve it. people, killing animals for the wrong reasons. we'll be yousing them for completely and illogical reasons. it does not work. it is a fantasy and besides that, the display of their national habitat, there is nowhere else to go. i think coming into conflict

with people. they always come second. we'll end up one day behind cages like we had but on a scale just all fantasy and we'll talk about it and one day these animals. this may do justice to them at least. something to show the world what they looked like. there you go. >> ♪

>> i really feel if they know that they're in danger. they know that they are not equipped avoid distinction. it is humans that messed up their lives. we are to blame. >> it makes me understand that i cannot give up.

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>> those teeth are just absolutely magnificent. >> look at that red and black on his ears. green eyes. and he's an old, old male. really is one of a kind. i made the decision several months ago that i was coming to

hunt lion and this is my trophy and there is not any bureaucrat that can take it away from me. >> okay, martin, can we set him up to take some pictures?

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