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welcome, i'm john king. to our viewers in the united states and around the world, thank you for sharing your sunday. president trump's visceral anger at the russia investigation now front and center. now rants about his own deputy attorney general because he supervises the investigation. >> there would be a fire storm if the president fires robert mueller, but the whole purpose of the legislation is to avoid that constitutional conflict. we already have enough dysfunction. we don't need this kind of confrontation. >> plus, don't call it a meeting of the minds but perhaps a better understanding the america first president brings a charm to the ultimate gathering of globalists. >> i'm here to deliver a simple message. there has never been a better time to hire, to build and to invest and grow in the united
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states. america is open for business and we are competitive once again. >> and here in washington, new immigration whiplash, a generous offer to democrats angers big parts of the president's base while the tough restrictions the white house is demanding in return have the left up in arms. >> it's a plan that says over 50% of the current legal immigration will be cut back. that many people will be sent out of the country. if you read through it you're thinking, do they not understand that immigration has been the constant reinvig ration of america. >> with this this sunday to share their insights. president trump delivers his state of the union address tuesday night a giant opportunity to promote his first year in office and to outline his agenda with the second.
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republicans even those with little patience for the president understand their power depends overwhelmingly if he can with stand his political standing. well, the russia special counsel robert mueller now ready to interview the president with a heavy focus on the possible obstruction of justice. the president says he's eager and his lawyers not so much. and were the president trump tried tofire mueller last june. the white house counsel we are told refused threatening to resign. those accounts are well sourced beginning with the initial new york times report but listen to the president. he calls it fiction. >> did you seek to fire robert mueller? >> fake news, folks. fake news.
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typical new york times fake stories. >> did you try to fire robert mueller? >> again, the president's lawyers are instructive here. the president says fake news. the lawyers say no comment. and so here we are at the moment of truth. the moment of truth in the sense that we could know by the end of the week. will the president keep his word and sit down? what will the ground rules be and as this plays out people in congress saying we have to do things to protect bob mueller to keep him in. normally we would start about the state of the union speech. this has to be rattling the west wing. >> if there's one line that even republicans in washington believe was the dividing line it would be firing the special counsel here. the white house says no, that didn't happen but their krebltd is up in the air if you will. we don't know if he's talked about this. this is something that he broods on his own. it's not being discussed in a
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west wing staff meeting with the chief of staff, is he going to fire bob mueller or not but this was the president's mind set in june. the question is now does he want to testify? he very much wants to sit down and testify. he's been through a lot of depositions. this would be entirely different so that's why john dowd, one of his lawyers said no i will make the decision. we'll see about that. the client here seems to want to speak. he went out there and said i absolutely want to do this so now if he doesn't it certainly looks bad but it's very much an open question. >> it's fascinating the public versus the private president trump. when he's asked publicly he says i'll do it under oath but to your point we hear privately when he's on the phone with friends he rants about the special counsel investigation. cnn has done some fabulous reporting. rod rosen stein who's in charge of bob mueller and who has repeatedly said he thinks
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mueller is doing a good job so the anger from the president and a lot of the people saying please fire them all and the president saying i'll do it. >> they don't know when he's going to be angry about what. but to jeff's point, the deposition being like any other, it's one thing to lie about real estate deals and to come back and say we got you 30 times in one deposition, this time, legal consequences for this, he would advise trump not to lie and that is the concern that his truthful hyperbole might be part of the deal. >> now we find out months later that he was trying to fire bob mueller. it's disappointing that what we're seeing as being the president of a company and the president of the united states. i think it shows a sign of tone
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deafness that he doesn't know what's going on in his own company he doesn't have the checks and balances that are there. you got -- there are checks and balances when you're president. >> and if you listen to people -- the attorneys or people who have had time with the special counsel's team they are struck, everyone comes out amazed. they know what you had for breakfast. they know what time things happened. so the president, if he's going to do this, he has to be very careful. there is this effort to protect bob mueller to add language to one of the new spending bills or pass separate legislation saying the president can't do this. i want you to listen to the former defense secretary. very respected here in washington. he knows bob mueller and he's the perfect guy to do this. number two though, he's skeptical that congress can protect him. >> i don't know how you -- how you -- how the congress extends an umbrella of protection
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legally through legislation, the one thing that can be done is to try and figure out how to make it clear the magnitude of the political cost that would be incurred should he be fired. >> is that the main democratic goal in saying we can protect but they're trying to raise the political bar? >> i think at this point it is incumbent on republicans to take a step forward. and democrats are trying to raise the political bar. some democrats will tell you the fact this is even on the table at least raises the stakes and puts a warning sign up in front of the president if he were thinking about trying to order the special firing of the special counsel. but back in the summer it was not just democrats who were looking at the headlines, who were looking at rumors will he fire sessions. either of which can lead to the ousting of the special counsel. lindsay graham and tom tillis
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has in this from the beginning and now what you see is a grinding to a halt of the negotiation process. there has not been significant process made on actually resolving what gates is talking about, which is it's the president's authority to hire and fire people at will. so if congress says well, you can't do it without a three judge panel reviewing your decision before it goes into effect. they've been trying to thread that needle by saying okay, maybe a middle ground is that the president can issue an order that is delayed by x number of days that would give that fired counsel time, but they're trying to resolve this constitutional issue. >> but can you imagine, let's assume say hillary clinton had won the election and she had a special counsel. and she was thinking about firing the special counsel. the silence of the republican leadership is striking here. they're in a an election year and in part because the republican echo chamber says so
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what? >> donald trump wanted to fire the special counsel for conflict. does he not have the right to raise those questions? >> all right. the president says that's fake news. that happened last june. it's something we have to tell you about because a headline on the new york times. >> the story is trump didn't. at the end of everything, trump did not fire mueller. what are we going to do? are we going to invoke the 25th amendment on a guy because of what he wanted to do? >> in the age of trump's planning we live in, it is remarkable that they say he has a good staff. >> i guess it is that, but the question is did he try and fire him after june and is he still thinking about it. that's the question here, but a couple things. before the president either sits down or does not sit down, steve bannon is going to sit down with the special counsel's
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investigators before the end of this month we're told, so that will piece together things. he talked openly about this being a money laundering investigation so that is something that is in play here, but obstruction of justice, there has to be a corrupt motive here, so there is a high burden for the president for there to be obstruction of justice. >> you don't even have to obstruct justice in order to be in trouble. >> it must be a corrupt motive here, so this is very much an ongoing open question here, but the president, i'm told he wants to speak and clear his name here. it's a high stakes high risk situation. that's why his lawyers hope he is quiet, and they wish he wouldn't have walked in john kelly's office and said those things. >> he calls it fighting back. the question is can the special counsel when you look at the asking for james comey and firing james comey. pressuring jeff sessions to go back too reconsider his decision
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and recuse himself. you look at this long list of things and it's easy for a critic to say at every step of the way he's trying to throw a roadblock in and disband the investigation. if you're trump you say i'm just fighting back. >> i was in the room when trump, you know, came into kelly's office and one of the things he said was look, would hillary have done this? would she have sat there and been under oath? he said i don't think so but i will. i think there's a sense that you've got to take him at his word. at the same time his lawyers also know so many members of his staff have voluntarily spoke to the counsel already. imagine owl the things they have already told the special counsel. what has trump pauked about about this situation? when he has talk about this in the past? >> that's no comment about the attorneys. they know the white house counsel has already been interviewed. they know what the special counsel knows which is they know a lot more than we do which is
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way they do something that might be a little off, they know something we don't. an interesting moment. the global elites of davos might not think much of president trump but they love his tax cuts. the return of george w. bush to the oval office, sort of. >> i know what you're thinking, o, what the heck is this handsome devil doing back in the oval office. the truth is this is just a set. i had it built in my basement in texas so i could pretend to still be president sometimes. according to a new poll, my approval rating is at an all-time high. that's right. donnie q. trump came in and i'm looking pretty sweet by comparison. at this rate i might even end up on mount rush more right next to washington, lincoln and i want to say kensington.
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second look from those that treat him with scorn. >> i believe in america. as president of the united states, i will always put america first just like the leaders of other countries should put their country first also. but america first does not mean america alone. when the united states grows, so does the world. >> president may not think so but look at the time cover here. that captures the mood that greeted the president that says america is alone. after his big speech where, complaints from some that he bragged too much or he played it safe, but also a fair amount of what the new york times describe this way, mr. trump's reception here appeared to signal a normalizing phase of his presidency among the business elite. many of those who absorbed his
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speech. it was striking. a lot of people don't like him personally. they're worried he's not committed to international alliances but there are a lot saying this is better. >> he was essentially being the chamber of commerce president of america. he was essentially over there, you know, as a cheer leader saying come invest in america. he seemed to relish in that role actually. the question was he was reading the speech off a teleprompter so it was that type of president. his policies are exactly the same. so i think going forward here, he's not going to change his view, you know, that have been sort of controversial, but in that moment he liked being -- he likes the applause. he likes the praise. that's why some of his advisors who went along, they want the president to see hums in this environment. they want to have him hear that applause and be liked like that.
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the reality though, at the end of the day, things are moving without the u.s. and the time magazine cover, you know, is perhaps an overstatement but things are moving on. people are not waiting for this president to suddenly reengage, so i think that yes, he gave a good speech which is always good. there weren't any protests which they were worried about, but at the end of the day, will his policies change? and by moving on, china, india, others stepping in. >> regional trade agreements. saying we'll go back to tpp without the united states if we have to so the rest of the world saying this is the way we're going to do it. the president was well received. the speech was. there were little boos during the speech part. speech on teleprompter, q and a unscripted here. >> had the opposing party to me won, some of whom you backed, some of the people in the room, instead of being up almost 50% i
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believe the stock market from that level, the initial level would have been down close to 50%. it wasn't until i became a politician that i realized how nasty, how mean, how vicious and how fake the press can be. >> he can't help himself. >> yeah, and interesting when he veers off the economic message and starts to get into the political fistfighting ring that it comes. it was the right message for the right crowd. showing their strength in the economic sphere but the united states has a very large economy that is fairly open in terms of how much control you can have as a business person coming in without having to worry about a totalitarian government or leaning more towards that way government, but it's davos. i mean, it's the economic message versus the political message maybe in the rest of the world. there's a lot of really big
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political and economic players that go there but are they the world? are they the political calculus of how they're receiving the president? the audience isn't like oh, everything is solved. >> it's know your audience but the question of if he gives a good speech can he stick with it in the sense that one big goal was to get the u.s./britain relationship back on track. they have a meeting although the prime minister was very muted but they have a meeting to try to get things back on track. but look at this interview where he says well, i like teresa may but she did a lousy job negotiating her exit from the european union. >> would it be the way i negotiate? no, but i have a lot of respect for your prime minister and i think they're doing a good job. i think i would have negotiated
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it differently. i would have had a different attitude. >> what would you have done? >> i think i would have said that the european union is not cracked up to what it's supposed to be and i would have taken a tougher stand in getting out. >> so he insults the entire european union. is that so much the olive branch? the bigger question is did the leader say that's the president of the united states, not the guy reading a tell prompter. >> do you have the teleprompter, it provided some hope and some reality kind of swept in. i think the idea that -- obviously you need to be veriful about putting too much weight on any tweet and conversation speech and this is the perfect example about the comments about hillary and the fake news. >> but he has a spectacular move
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for stepping on his accolades. we saw that as you said with the not state of the union, whatever we were calling it last year and i'm sure his advisors are imparting this to him. >> he had just finished meeting with the prime minister moments before doing this interview. say that i had any discussion of us having a bad interview is false. the reality here is this u.s. president still has not visited. there are tensions there so this interview with pierce morgan was i think more of a window into to who the president really is. >> they're going to work on getting that visit back on track. up next, conservatives are white hot over the president's immigration plan. the left calls it too cold. team trump says that means it's just right. directv has been rated number one in customer satisfaction over cable for 17 years running. but some people still like cable. just like some people like pre-shaken sodas. having their seat kicked on an airplane.
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i use herpecin l.re, it penetrates deep to treat. it soothes, moisturizes, and creates an spf 30 barrier, to protect against flare-ups caused by the sun. herpecin l. should be a bill of love, truly, should be a bill of love. >> any solution has to include the wall. >> we're going to take care of daca. nobody wants to take care of daca more than myself and the republican party. we need a little more time we'll take a little more time. i want to get the problem solved correctly. >> there's been some very understandable confusion of late over what the president would accept and would not accept as part of any plan to protect the so called d.r.e.a.m.ers. so the white house released a frame work it says should clear up the confusion.
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in ex- chanchangexchange, $25 be border wall and family based immigration and the visa lottery program. with that clarity as the white house put it came a loud bipartisan controversy including fury at the scope of what much of the trump base calls amnesty. >> you started with 1.8 million for amnesty. wh why would you start with people who never applied for daca. it's going to be spun that this is absolute genius. no it's not. >> this absolutely pathetic. >> this is exactly opposite what trump said he would do. if he goes on the wayside by this, trump is the one guy standing in the way of this. there aren't enough republicans who oppose this. >> the initial focus will be on what they do in the senate. can they get a bipartisan bill in the senate, but when you hear
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that, others like that, when you look at conservative house members, help me. is there a reasonable path to the house of representatives, the republican house of representatives passing a bill that includes that 1.8 million? >> yes, the reasonable path is if president trump stumps for it. that is the only reasonable path that they're going to put anything that comes out of the senate on the floor. the senate has passed a immigration before. it's probably arguably maybe broader than this is going to end up being and it never got pulled up in the house because that's where more of the pushback is and they don't like to do anything where they can't get a majority of their own members. >> a fascinating piece in the washington post, you go to those town halls and conservative house members are getting it from their voters. >> and that's the thing, they have pushback against the president before. remember mark meadows during the health care debate was saying no. i'm actually not going to go along with you and if they're
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going back home and they're hearing that from their voters that have absolute reason to say no to the president and their voters will back them. >> the president said i'll take the heat. i think the sign is he is going to take the heat or not but what is speaker ryan going to do. would he bring the bill forward without the majority. he's not said he will run for re-election for his house seat. would he risk his speakership or would he put everything on the line to put a bill on the floor? would it pass if he did? but the radio interviews are definitely a sign of what the grass roots is saying? but if the president does not get behind it it is not going to. >> nancy pelosi says it's make america white again. the left says those are draconian. yes, thank you for the 1.8 million but everything you're asking is draconian. the right says amnesty dawn says
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clearly we hit the sweet spot. is that a fair argument or they just crumble everything? >> i think maybe he pissed everybody off. there's a red line for citizenship for the conservatives, the left is just going crazy about the idea of such a dramatic change to the family immigration system. this would really be just changing an overhaul of the tenants of what the immigration has stood for for so many years. it could impact 40, 50% of legal immigration. that is a tremendous change. >> and so as they go forward, a broken record for me. it's an election year which makes it hard on everybody especially for the conservative base, we campaigned against this and the flip side is the democrats just were -- they brokered the government shutdown, wasn't a big deal, but
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now they're mad at chuck schumer. so to do something with it, listen, he went on msnbc in prime time to tell the democratic base, don't be mad at me. >> the public does not like shutdowns and we'd lose support for d.r.e.a.m.ers too. so we cut the best deal that we could. we're doing everything we can, but what people have to understand is, we don't have a magic wand. >> well, does the base understand that? we're doing everything we can, but we don't have a magic wand or do they think, you know, leader schumm eer, what are you doing dude? >> he went through wound run. he's going to get another chance to prove himself around february 8th because there doesn't seem like there's a magic solution for everything in the works. the leadership is not happy with either side.
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and but the other question is you know, how -- there's come to come some sort of deadline between now and the election about what to do about these dreamer kids and can you still live to stump on the, you know, the campaign trail if you have images and stories about people getting deported because they've lost their status. if you don't keep having extensions of the stay of the order, eventually this is going to hit a point of reckoning right? >> and eight in ten americans do actually support something like this here, but i think the democrats are going to get -- or have to get something else next time. they didn't get anything this time. a shutdown is not the answer. everyone loses in a shutdown here, but senator schumer is feeling a lot of fire from his base. it's difficult for democrats too in this. >> and to the point, will the president work on who he needs to work on most which is house conservatives from his public comments. you don't see that commitment yet.
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he's more often piling on chuck schumer and poking chuck schumer. he tweeted daca has been made increasingly difficult that crying chuck schumer took a beating over the shutdown and again, he didn't say i need my party to make some concessions here. he went after chuck schumer. >> i don't want to say schumer got badly beaten. i'm negotiating. i'm not going to say he got bodily beaten but you look at what happened. the people want security. they want -- and they want daca taken care of. >> he's not going to say schumer got badly beaten but he just said it twice. >> what's fascinating is that democrats are going -- wrestling right now with this point of how far are they willing to go. the enemy of the perfection. it's like they have to -- are they going to recognize that trump won the presidency using this as his signature issue? are they willing to allow some type of border security?
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what was interesting though is trump didn't push that envelope. he pushed the legal immigration envelope and gave democrats a good opportunity to say no way. buzz what if he were just to do the wall because democrats were willing to offer that. if he had stuck to that narrow script it would have worked. >> that's the thing in days ahead. here's our plan, we need these immigration restrictions. now that the president's back, will he say let's negotiate. the president as hi prepares his state of the union address. next time, i want you on my bowling team.
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a little bit of a history lesson. the president's approval rating, he's at 40%. his most recent predecessors in much better standing when they delivered their state of the union. you see the numbers there. 59 for president obama. that's instructive. but by the midterm election that had fallen to 46%. still well above where president trump is now. look what happened to the democrats. they lors 63 seats in the house and they lost control of the house, so the challenge for the president, try to move his number up, not down. we did get some flavor last year, the new president of the united states speaking to congress called this a state of the union warmup. >> i'm here tonight to deliver a message of unity and strength and it is a message deeply delivered from my heart.
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a new chapter of american greatness is now beginning. a new national pride is sweeping across our nation. and a new surge of optimism is placing impossible dreams firmly within our grasp. >> it's a giant moment for the president. it is of enormous consequence to his party and he thinks we might possibly lose the senate as well. the president has to slowly try to get that number up. 42, 44, move it that way. throughout the hour we've been talking about the president's focus. can he stay focused? fox and friends ran a segment taking a highlight from the show an interview with jay z who's not a fan of the president of the united states. is the president tweeting about his state of the union address? but six minutes after that segment, somebody please inform
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jay z black unemployment has been reported to be the lowest rate ever recorded. should he be promoting his 2018 agenda or picking fights with jay z? >> on the upside is -- >> paul ryan disagree. >> it is going to be teleprompter trump. he's going to be giving the speech that is in front of him. he's not going to be reacting at least we don't think in real time on what's on fox and friends. a senior officials says forwards, strong economy, safe america. that is what the president is going to focus on again and again in this speech. they do believe it's an opportunity for him to, you know, give an optimistic sunny side up argument. those independent voters who voted for him who have been disgusted by some of the other things but the focus is on that. so again, i think the expectations, you know, it's a lobar, it actually should be a higher bar.
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he can give a big speech in a setting like that. he has done it again and again and again but it's what happens after the speech. >> out in nevada last week and you know, some of the things i was hearing from folks i was talking to was some of the other things that you mentioned that are driving them nuts. even if they like the president, because he of these other things, the chaos, the tweets, they really want to root for him and yet he keeps undermining himself and we'll see if his advisors can impart that to him saying listen, this tax reform it's getting great press. people in davos love it. can he keep it focused on that. >> it's a great point because we're in a midterm election year and the president some of the things he's asking for divide his party. let's get the daca deal done. house conservatives don't want to touch that. they've pearared it down, but h
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asking for republicans to walk into issues that for them are mine fields. >> thand this is not a rally. when trump is giving his best most arousing speeches, this is for the gop. let's see if he gets applause from any democrats but he's going to have to address all these points an he can't veer that far off skrupcript. if he can get his number approval rating up a few points it protects a few more and the question is does it stick. president obama got a big one and his went up 8 points. george b. bush, went up. can donald trump help repair his personal brand which is the biggest problem of his presidency? >> he's very likely to get a bounce especially if he gives a
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speech like he did in davos which was a more moderate, a presidential type speech that you're expecting. but really i mean, so much of the things about trump are baked in. you got the two camps. on the left you have those who think he's really unstable and he could blow at any moment. on the right they say look it's about a his policy, not his personality and i think those two areas i think -- >> the question is for a guy who nobody thought could win the presidency can he somehow disrupt again and change that brand. that's the biggest challenge. up next, the possible declassification of that controversial memo. frds 7 days ago, karen wasn't thinking about joining her daughter's yo. she was thinking about her joints. but now that she's taking osteo bi-flex, she's noticing a real difference in her joint comfort. with continued use, it supports increased flexibility over time. karen: "she's single." it also supports wonderfully high levels
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to share something out of their notebooks. >> this week i'm going to be on memo watch. the release the memo that is going to get into whether the fbi was looking at good information or bad information from cyst fear steehristopher s. tomorrow is the first day in which the house intelligence committee could vote to make that public. it would then trigger a five-day window for the president to decide whether or not he's going to let it bedeclassified and that would kind of rock politically rock the boat quite a bit in congress especially as we're discussing how the president's going to be talking to mueller. we had this revelation about plans to potentially fire the special counsel. this is going to be another element that is really going to put the parties against each other and there's going to be some developments in the next few days. >> the justice department is very against this but not the president. >> as we've been talking about
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the state of the union i'm told that president trump is not planning on taking the state of the union show on the road. very unusual for a president. most recent presidents at least have gone out into america to sell their message locally. it's a great bay way to get goo media attention. i'm told the president says no, he wants to stay here in washington. one add vie svisor told me thisf it's not a big rally he's not interesting. he bypasses the media through social media. so the question is if he wants to reach a broader audience through the state of the union why not travel across the country? he's not scheduled except for the gop conference on thursday in virginia but that's hardly a big audience. >> keep an eye out for a very interesting new proposal to pay for the border wall. bipartisan group of members of
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congress are working on this plan where foreign tech workers would actually raise the money to way the pawall. they would gladly pay 2,000, 2,500, even 5,000 on extra green card fees to raise that kind of money to pay for the wall. >> interesting proposal there. it's not mexico but it would be money. >> increasingly over the last couple of years member of congress have used the guests to send a political message. at least 22 house democrats have invited daca recipients to sit and watch the president's speech in an effort to put a human face on an issue that has become an increasingly a political football. >> be interesting to watch that. political organizations aren't what they used to be but this is big week for the republican national committee. steve wynn spared the group one
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big controversy by resigning as chairman saturday after detailing numerous allegations of sexual harassment. but other things to watch too, there are discussions for example about the 2020 primary rules. something of great interest to the president and to those thinking of challenging the president in the 2020 primaries. amid some serious rumbles many cities now having big worries about the protests, security and image costs playing host to a trump renominating convention would bring to them. keep an you an that as well. that's it for inside politics. jake tapper sits down with susan collins from maine next on state of the union. have a great day. what's with him? he's happy. your family's finally eating vegetables thanks to our birds eye voila skillet meals.
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