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david. it is still happening. >> they never left. release the memo hashtag has been back. they will be back in 2018 and 2020. "new day" has poppy and chris. brian stelter recapping very political grammys. we'll see you tomorrow. the president has never in in way had the desire to fire bob mueller. >> i have legislation protecting mr. mueller. and i'll be glad to pass it tomorrow. >> i don't think there is a need to protect mueller. right now there is not an issue. >> to those who would dare try to silence us, we offer you two words, time's up. >> any immigrant who seeks refuge. >> this country was built by d.r.e.a.m.ers, for
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d.r.e.a.m.ers, chasing the american dream. >> he had a long-time fear of being poisoned. one reason he liked to eat at mcdonald's. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> surprise, surprise, there at the grammys. we will talk about those. welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. this is your "new day". as you can see, alisyn is off. poppy harlow joins me. always nice because i get you twice. there is two of you. it is amazing how you are working and doing everything perfectly. >> glad you see it that way, my friend. >> i don't want to have to jump in any different mode this morning. take it easy. president trump looks to reset his presidency in his first state of the union address tomorrow night. the president faces a tough task. he is expected to call for unity, but he has been so intent on division. so how will he do that?
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somewhat of a mystery. much more easy to understand is what the policy side of this will be. the president is expected to tout his business tax cuts and a strong u.s. economy while pitching the american people on his controversial immigration plan. a big question there, is he going to come out tonight and say something he doesn't have to? boy, will it be helpful to lawmakers. key announce he will not try to remove or fire in any way special counsel? lawmakers are divided over the need for legislation to protect bob mueller and his investigators after reports that president trump tried to fire him last june. the gop's house majority leader insists there is no need for that legislation right now. >> the president's frustration with the russian investigation may have rob rosenstein. the president once again at odds
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with his own justice department over releasing? controversial memo or not. did you see it last night? the music industry's biggest night got political. hillary clinton t hillary clinton trolls trump at the grammys, reading from the book, "fire askand fury" >> reporter: the president spent his weekend at the white house preparing for his first state of the union address, a speech aides say will focus on building a stronger and better america. aides say tomorrow night we can expect the president to set aside his typically combative tone and instead seek to strike one of compromise and bipartisan ship as he lays out his agenda for his second year here in office. poppy, the question on everyone's mind is will the president's moment in the sun be
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overshadowed by the russia investigation? president trump gearing up for his first state of the union address where he is expected to tout the economic progress of his first year in office while rallying support behind key initiatives like infrastructure and immigration. >> i think the president talked about how america is back. >> reporter: the plan unveiled by the white house last week would provide a pathway to citizenship for nearly two million undocumented immigrants in exchange for $25 billion to fund the president's border wall. the plan would also make major changes to legal immigration, a key sticking point that democrats have called dead on arrival. >> that plan is a campaign to make america white again. >> with don't need that type of rhetoric on either side. the president has laid out what he wants. that's a good starting point. >> reporter: the president's high-profile speech coming amid controversy over mr. trump answer reported attempt to fire special counsel robert mueller
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last june. >> the president has never intimated in any way wanting to fire robert mueller. >> everybody knows at the white house it will be the end of president trump's presidency if he fired mr. mueller. >> reporter: two bipartisan bills would protect special counsel. >> it certainly wouldn't hurt to put that extra safeguard in place given the latest stories. but, again, i have faith in the deputy attorney general. >> i don't think there's a need for legislation. right now there is not an issue. why create one when there isn't a place for it. >> reporter: the majority of democrats are hearing democrats must take action in there is a case of obstruction of justice against the president of the united states. >> reporter: mr. trump has been complaining about wanting to fire rod rosenstein as well. the "new york times" reports that the controversial memo spearheaded by house chair devin
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nunes sa nunes indicated that republicans may be moving to seize on rosenstein's role as they seek to undermine special counsel. now, chris, the president, all of these developments in the russia investigation come as the president faces a major deadline to use the russia sanctions power that congress overwhelmingly voted to good enough him last fall. chris? >> all right. kaitlan, everybody should be prepared. the "new day" team is coming to washington, d.c. we'll be live from the capitol tomorrow ahead of president trump's first state of the union address. cnn's primetime coverage begins at 5:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. all right. if there are so many concerns about whether the president will try to have special counsel fired, why won't some lawmakers take action in case to protect bob mueller? we'll discuss that next. ♪ taking care of business with print services done right. on time.
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so we do know that lawmakers on capitol hill are debating legislation to protect special counsel robert mueller following reports that president trump tried to fire mueller last june. so, how real is this? what's going to happen? let's bring in on our political analyst david gregory and john avlon. good to see you both, gentlemen. david gregory, what is your take on whether this will happen? is there any chance the president dispenses with it tomorrow thaoeut at the state of
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the union and says i'm not moving on special counsel, let the investigation play out? let's move on? >> yeah, i don't see him doing that. he is too intent and undisciplined frank lu to let this go. and won't even leave it to other people to make the case against the special counsel, the deputy general. he has to lead that fire. i also think congress is a bit too divided to pursue this legislation. even lindsey graham who said it would be a good idea who thinks it may not be necessary to read between the lines because everybody knows it would be the end of his presidency if he were to fire mueller. i'm not sure the president believes that. but you see a lot more division on the house side. kevin mccarthy representing not just leadership but the rank and file. >> the reluctance to back legislation that they backed before in the wake of what with we now know president trump
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called for the firing is just gutless. it is denial. it is sticking your head in the sand because it is uncomfortable if you're a republican to take on this president. but in the separation of powers structure, it is self evident that we need this law. if we don't, it is baiting the president. it's pathetic that folks who back this legislation in the past are trying to duck. >> they don't need to be afraid of the president, though. we know one of the few things parties agree on, they didn't like the old special prosecutor law. >> yeah. >> both parties had a chance to read up on it. but also their logic doesn't work here, david. kevin mccarthy is saying we don't have a crisis so why do we need a law like this? if the president moves on robert mueller, it's too late to have a law. so the logic doesn't work. it doesn't seem like it is is going to happen. what does that ultimately mean here? >> we have to look at what the
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playing field looks like in a moment. if the president were to make this kind of move, remember his attorney general is still conflicted out of this investigation by his own decision. so rod rosenstein, assigned a special prosecutor, i'm sure would resign. the question is, who do you put in that place? there are folks who work within the justice department all over the country who are not political appointees who will not be used in the way rosenstein was careful not to be used in a political fashion who would come in and presumably do the right thing. but there's no question this would create a crisis. >> john avlon, just moving on to this very controversial four-page memo written by devin nunes about what he alleges are violations of fisa surveillance laws. all tried to trump. interesting news from the "new
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york times" over the weekend. they say rod rosenstein went further in terms of approving surveillance of carter page while the president was in office. the president wants this released. he wants it out there. the justice department said it would be reckless to do that without us seeing it and what's classified. devin none else says you can't see it because it's about you guys. where does this go. >> this is fascinating. just first, the white house and his allies in congress are in direct conflict with president trump's justice department on this. they're being told, look, it is about us. we are being denied the ability to see it. it would be reckless to release it, yet the president is encouraging its release. senate intel not being able to see this. >> exactly. the republican chairman. this is setting up a larger conflict. it appears this memo is basic lu a christmas tree of trump critics being attacked via the memo. so far it has not shown any evidence of being is something more serious and substantive is
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an attack on nunes. people are going to lather about this. if if there are not the normal developments, that is truly troubling and clearly designed to distract and deflect. >> do you think the memo is more helpful if it is released or isn't released? the type around it seems to be far outpacing what you will get if you read it. >> well, that's probably right. if there is enough that could be argued even if it's selective, we see it with the release of the text messages among the fbi agents who were working on the investigation. it's enough for trump allies to seize on, to argue that the investigation itself is not on the level, that it is somehow corrupt. i see the white house hammering away at this to undermine the investigation. >> all right, guys, appreciate it.
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president trump has denied it a lot, him getting rid of bob mueller. in the face of this "new york times" report, the report we matched and others, the denials not so compelling. ken starr, independent counsel who investigated president bill clinton, of course, said mueller must look into whether president trump lied to the american people when he said that he had not thought of firing mueller. take a listen to this. >> i think lying to the american people is a serious issue that has to be explored. i take lying to the american people very, very seriously. so absolutely. i think what dan was talking about was this effort to get rid of the investigation. you're now talking about something called lying to the
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american people. and i think that is something that bob mueller should look at. >> of course, remember, ken starr hung his hat on this concept when he went after president clinton. but that was perjury. he was in front of a grand jury. that was different. what are the impacts? let's talk to ken cuccinelli and mike zeldin. what ken starr says matters. what does it mean in the context of an actual investigation? >> so i think that the context with which judge starr was talking about this was lies that further interfere with the ongoing investigation. in clinton's case, his lies to the american people, according to the ken starr report to congress, were lies that were intended to delay or impede in some way the investigation that he was under taking. and i think it's a fair standard
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to look at. it's not a crime, per se, to lie to the american people. but if your lies there are endeavors to distract independent counsel or involve themselves in an effort to delay the prosecution, then it's worthy. if it's worthy of consideration, the bigger lies here is whether he was going to fire mueller or not was the lies about the meeting on june 9th on air force one. i think that takes front and center stage because it is is a written document which was proven to be a lie. and whether or not it's a lie that he never asked, according to him, he never asked comey to back off the flynn investigation, nor did he ever ask comey for a loyalty test. those lies are more profound than whether he asked mcgann to ask rosenstein to fire mueller.
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>> they certainly would be if he said them to the american people, i don't know what that is going to attach in terms of the prosecutor. let's start with the general question. do you see a case or obstruction here? we know they're looking at it. do you think anything comes of it? >> well, i certainly think that mueller is probably at the tail end of his investigation. they have to go over every option, every possibility. and this is one of the possibilities. so i think just as a matter of professionalism they'll consider it. i tend to agree with michael that the discussion about firing mueller is really not part of that consideration. first of all, it didn't happen. second of all, there are other issues that really are morree relevant. you played clips earlier of the president saying is, no, i'm not thinking of firing mueller. at the time he appeared to have said those, they appeared to be true. it is not a relevant lie from an
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obstruction standpoint. >> hold on, ken. when you say it appears to have been true -- ken -- >> let me just finish. >> i just want to get that one statement. >> it tends to mislead. >> i just want to get that one context statement true. you're saying when the president said i'm not thinking about getting rid of the prosecutor, he was talking about special counsel, he was talking about right then. but he was asked repeatedly, have you ever thought of it. he said, no, i have not. >> right. >> but, again, back to michael's point, let's say that's a lie even then. it's not relevant. it doesn't do anything to up bead the investigation. it can't possibly intelligently impede the investigation. i find ken starr's commentary a little peculiar. the president, i did not have sex with that woman, that was directly related to the subject matter, the lies of relevance in
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that case were the ones told under oath to a grand jury. we haven't had that situation here. >> right. >> and ken starr, in fact, didn't use that as the basis to proceed against the president. so i find his comments inconsistent with his own actions back in the '90s. >> michael, the idea of -- tman in your guys's world of federal prosecutions say but it may be the best look they've had yet at the president forming corrupt intent. that his entire to order the firing at that time when it had just come out that mueller was looking at obstruction is maybe the clearest look where his head is on why he wanted to take action. what's your take? >> that's what i believe as well, chris. i think that that view into his
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intention will be for mueller and what he did in that order to mcgann. i think it is a window that the prosecutor will use in evaluating whether or not these other acts were acts that were intended to interfere with the investigation. so i think it's important in that respect for sure. >> all right. let's leave it there. gentlemen, i appreciate your thoughts they are helpful, even on a monday morning. be well, both of you. poppy? with another government shutdown looming, how will the president sell his immigration plan tomorrow night during the state of the union address? we'll take a closer look next. ♪ upbeat music you wouldn't feel good not knowing the price here. don't let it happen when you buy your diabetes test strips.
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address tomorrow night. of course he will focus on the immigration plan. the pwalgts over d.r.e.a.m.ers will be a focus. david gregory, to you, just looking back at how sean spicer previewed the inaugural, he said it would be optimistic. then we got american carnage. tomorrow night, what will we get? >> well, i tend to think we're going to get a little bit more from what we saw of president trump in davos, which is an opportunity for him to use the platform to go big, to talk about his accomplishments. and the country's accomplishments. this whole theme of american being back and the prowess of the economy and the stock market and winning. this is what trump wants to be his signature for leadership, for reelection and everything. i think he has an opportunity to say, look, we have had divisive fights over some of these issues, but we have real opportunities whether it's on
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infrastructure and up tkpwraeugz. i think for all the controversy, even for the government shutdown, there are republicans who are negotiating who are still optimistic about the prospect of getting a big immigration bill passed. so i think that's the most generous view, that he will seize it for those purposes. >> no question about it. first of all, let's not forget tell troplter trump is a different creature entirely. putting forward an outlin of an immigration plan last weeks seeks to purpose. it is in its outline serious. it is constructive. it is a concession. taking some heat from conservatives on it. if he proceeds in that fashion, reaching beyond his base, pulling out serious policy proposals, particularly, as david said, on immigration and
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infrastructure, that would be a strong move heading into a second year. >> just to be fair, no one has ever accused on the president of being thrilling in a state of the union address. i don't think you will see any -- >> there will be some drama. truman, clinton. >> you talked in your book about washington. not usual lip a big moment for politics. so let's talk about something else that is a big moment right now. when harvey weinstein, the accusations came out, he has given so much money to democratic donors, the rnc said you better give your money back. literally put your money where your mouth is when it comes to this culture change for women. now you have steve wynn, the big vegas is hotel mogul. he actually had a title with the rnc. he has stepped down. but still, they have been really quiet, david gregory, on the gop side. what needs to happen?
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>> well, they're going to have to get more vocal. you heard it of the weekend. those who received donations from the pac and those who didn't saying they will have to redirect that money. and i expect they will continue to do so. steve wynn, despite him being a mogul, we're still learning more about it. his political connections, i don't think, are as big as harvey weinstein's were. but it is certainly big enough, be damaging enough, that the gop will have to reckon with this. >> this is damning to the extent that republicans rightly made a lot of hay out of harvey weinstein and said you're honor bound to give the money back. lindsey graham said we have to do the same thing in this case. he has stepped down from his position. >> harvey weinstein ties us back to hillary clinton. he was a big supporter. gave a lot of money to her campaign.
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look, now we know, because the "new york times" broke this story, guys, that her faith adviser in the 2008 campaign, was sexually harassing this younger subordinate, this woman. two of the top folks on the campaign said to clinton, get rid of him. she said no. so that now comes to light. this guy goes on to go on. does it again. gets fired because of it. hillary clinton puts out over the weekend and not only did she not fire him. she said i took her concerns seriously. i called her today to tell her how proud i am of her and to make sure she knows what all women should, we deserve to be heard. really? this guy gets fired for the same thing and you still can't say it? >> that's the look. 20/20 hindsight. this is hillary clinton clearly based on the reporting defending
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a guy who had been accused who then ultimately did it again and got fired. the tweet was not sufficient. it was not an apology. it is not an affirmation that i heard you. i defended someone and i apologize. those words are difficult for politicians to say. >> i think they're difficult. this was initially a clash between the idea that having some kind of due process for having a process when someone is accused is an appropriate thing. but then the story changes from there and it happened again. i don't think this is a good look for hillary clinton and we're not going to hear the last of it. >> it raises two things. we went hard on this friday night on the primetime show. this is who hillary clinton is. she wouldn't jump on the e-mail story early either and own what was true and apologize and put it there. the second thing will say it was 2008. whatever.
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you had two people, including your campaign manager, come to you and said this person has to go. anyway, gentlemen, thank you very much. appreciate it. actually, right after the show we will hustle down to d.c. and do the primetime show 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight from there. and we're going to get deeper into some of the big issues we will talk about and give you the facts first. ahead of that, there is another deadly attack we have to tell you about in afghanistan. this time it was targeting a military base in kabul. details next. - [narrator] imagine a shirt that actually makes you feel better. introducing tommie copper's all new shoulder centric posture shirt. they're biggest breakthrough yet. advanced engineering promotes healthy posture and relief for achy shoulders and back. visit tommiecopper.com to see the entire line of wearable wellness compression. they have you covered from head to toe. go to tommiecopper.com right now
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breaking news. isis claiming responsibility for a brazen attack at an afghan military base. this is the string on in the latest of deadly attacks the last week. nick paton walsh is live in london with breaking details. what do we know, nick? >> reporter: this is an absolutely devastating week or ten days. they are supposed to be safe inside the ring of steel that protects us. this latest attack at the military seemed to have used a suicide bomber to get through. eleven military lives claimed. this is one of the most devastating attacks kabul has seen in a lengthy period of
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time. isis claimed responsibility. the taliban said they were behind an ambulance being used as a suicide car bomb to penetrate one of the most secure parts of kabul. that car bomb went off, killed over 100 people. some milling around the checkpoint in what was supposed to be an area of secure diplomatic missions. a week before that, we had an attack by isis against a children's charity in the east. and an attack against a key hotel. you see a pattern? isis, the taliban, isis, the taliban. they are in a contest to see who can be the most extreme. the president says he will win in this area, as the u.s. classifies some of the key information the taxpayer needs to have to know if they're winning or not. as more praops are on their way. a real mess potentially.
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back to you. super bowl week is here. the eagles have landed in indianapolis, as hard as that is for me to say. good morning, my friend. >> reporter: good morning, poppy. as a vikings fan, you wish the home team was playing. >> whenever i fill in on this show, i always have to read this stuff. >> we do it on purpose, poppy. just kidding. anyway, the eagles and the patriots will meet with the media tonight during super bowl opening night, formerly known as media day. the aoeg on else arrived in minneapolis yesterday. they got off the plane in thang. the game is forecast to be a high of 7 degrees. patriots will arrive later this
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afternoon. former ufc champion ronda rousey back in the ring. it wasn't the object began. she made a surprise appearance at the royal rumble. she is in a deal to be a full time wreus eller with wwe. rousey telling espn that wwe is her life now. she said she could have done a lot of other things and made more money. but getting back in the ring and wrestling is something she is really going to enjoy. >> good for her. if you are going to step away, step away clean. i was surprised she didn't want to come back and fight one more time. >> yeah. back-to-back losses. >> grammy night. did you watch? it was dominated by politics. there were emotional moments from the artists. and then this happened. what was hillary clinton doing at the grammys? i'll give you a hint. she wasn't singing. ♪
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♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ all right. it's not a big surprise that politics played a role at the grammys. >> right. >> but just how much? >> huge. >> and how was it surprising? celebrity the take something jabs at president trump. but then hillary clinton made a surprise cameo. we have cnn's brian stelter here with the highlights. thank you very much for getting us the details. part of it we expected. part of it we did not. >> the show got more interesting as the show went on. bruno mars a big winner. maybe hillary clinton too. watch. >> he had a long-time fear of being poisoned. one reason why he liked to eat at mcdonald's. >> that's it.
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that's the one. >> you think so? >> in the bag. >> hillary clinton making a surprise appearance in a grammy award skit of celebrities doing dramatic readings from the tell-all book ""fire and fury". >> he started to get angry and hurt. the stars were determined to embarrass him. i definitely wasn't there. >> his 6:30 bender with steve bannon, he was in bed by that time with a cheeseburger. why am i reading this [ bleep ]. >> the skit prompting backlash from mr. trump's allies. nikki haley tweeting the skit ruined the awards show. and the president's son going after clinton calling the opportunity to read an excerpt from the book a prize for losing the presidentcy.
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>>. >> blessed are the s-hole countries who gave us the american dream. >> camilla paid tribute to d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> tonight in this room full of music's he d.r.e.a.m.ers, we remember that this country was built by d.r.e.a.m.ers, for d.r.e.a.m.ers, chasing the american dream. >> a number of artists also honoring the me too movement, wearing white roses in solidarity. >> we come in peace, but we mean business. >> and to those who would dare try and silence us, we offer you two words. time's up. >> singer ke$ha, who has been tied up in a legal battle with her producer over alleged sexual
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abuse with the moment of the night, giving an emotional performance of her hit song "pray." ♪ i hope you find your peace, falling on your knees ♪ >> what stood out to you? >> the golden globes mostly ignored president trump, didn't talk politics. the grammys went a different direction. this was music's biggest night. the number of stars, rap and hip-hop artists, country music stars wanted to be on the record about where they stood. and there was a tribute of the victims of the las vegas shooting. but certainly on the political front, these pro immigration messages, pro d.r.e.a.m.ers messages were notable. the word shitholes was bleeped a couple times. they're on broadcast. they have different regulations
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to worry about. however, the artists wanted to show where they stood. >> u2 filming by the statue of liberty says everything without having to say the words. of course they put out the tweets blessed are the s-hole countries, for they gave us the american dream. >> he is there at the statue of liberty with an american flag bull horn. some of the criticism they saw from donald trump jr., these shows are over the top, too obvious liberal. nikki haley said i like my music without politics. >> she has a reason not to like this book. >> that's an important note. nikki haley came out condemning michael wolff's book. there was an illusion in his book that may or may not have implied she was having an affair with president trump. michael wolff was out talking about this. she is denied it. no wonder she was critical. >> more than just denied it.
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the way wolff tried to explain it, there seemed to be nothing to it. it was unfortunate she had to come out and address it at all. hopefully people put that to bed. thank you very much. thanks, brian. tomorrow night, a big night for the president, delivering his first state of the union address. during his inaugural address, we heard a darker tone, american carnage. that was then. followed by a more uplifting message before a joint session of congress. what will tomorrow night bring? first, remember this moment. >> the crime and the gangs and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential. this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. we want harmony and stability, not war and conflict. we want peace wherever peace can be found.
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hopefully the 250th year for america will see a world that is more peaceful, more just, and more free. >> joining us senior editor of "the atlantic." and historian tim nuttelly. when he wrote the 2002 address, axis of evil. if you wrote this, what would you coin? >> well, i don't think i would take that job. >> putting that aside. >> president trump doesn't have to come one a memorable phrase. if he gets through an hour without putting a fork in somebody's eye, he will be praised as the most presidential president since the most presidential president. >> just for stick to go prompter. >> just for not doing something hideo hideous. there is a special trump scale where he is graded differently from new other president.
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if he just behaves like a functioning human being for an hour. >> there was nothing really exciting about that. it was very much to script. he went after the media for a second. we can deal with that. that's fine. bannon is out. unless he is calling out at the white house, i don't know if they're good friends right now. this will be bannon light, if there is bannon at all. the speech writer will have a big impact on this. what do you think will be different? >> the president's approval ratings are sticking below 40%. we saw a change in his receipt reubgz regarding immigration, the proposal that they floated a little over a week ago. if that's a harbinger of a new tone on immigration, that's going to suggest a post bannon rhetoric. >> a path to swrup. >> which some would call
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amnesty. not just 700,000 people, but 1.3 million people. he's going beyond what his hard-core base would expect of him. is this the new trump administration? or is this just some is kind of balloon he floated? the state of the union in this case could be a rhetorical shift in this administration, which would make it a more consequential state of the union than address. >> do you think, david frum, we will see the president realizing 36%, 38% approval is not enough to get me over the finish line? we saw him go further with parts of this immigration plan than president obama in terms of a path to citizenship. yes, there are other parts many democrats can't stomach. but do you think this is that shift perhaps we are seeing from the president? >> i expect trump's numbers to
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approve in 2018, lifted by the strength of the economy and the rising wages. we do see at last the growth of the economy has gone out for seven years is affecting the labor market. that should give him a boost. i think the conventional view on what is a popular immigration platform may differ from what is actually a popular immigration platform. more and more liberal is not the most popular approach on immigration. >> tim, you say this is an opportunity to see the real donald trump. you don't think we have seen that yet? >> no, no. i have suggested i don't know who the real donald trump is. he seems more opportunistic than anything else. let's see what donald trump he presents to the people of the united states. the question i have is whether he wants to just be president of the red counties. does he actually want to enlarge the base and be presidential for everyone? is he capable of it. this is an opportunity for him to stop talking to the sectarian
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group in our society but lay out things with much larger appeal. >> david, you say the bar is so low. >> i don't have any questions left about donald trump. he has answered every question i have. and i think we all know who he is. we all know who he is, why he's president, and what got him into that job. i think the question for all of us is how do we protect the country during the remainder of the presidency. there are no serious questions left about what kind of person he is. >> there's nothing you're looking for to stand out in this? is the donald trump you're talking about the one you expected to propose a path to citizenship, not just for d.r.e.a.m.ers but would-be d.r.e.a.m.ers? >> you can train a seal to sit on the side of the pool for an hour and behave itself. that doesn't make it no longer a seal. if donald trump can get beyond app hour of good behavior, he
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has done that before. but that doesn't tell you what will happen at an hour and five minutes. >> followed by the president's remarks will be the democratic response and then twitter, right? what do we see on twitter from this president afterwards? >> well, this is the point that david is partly making, which there is an erratic sense to this man you can predict. he's had so many opportunities to behave, to actually focus his message and to, you know, repeat his message. but he is the one who upsets its all the time, and steps on his own applause line. we can anticipate personal fights, distraction. the state of the union might suggest, however, a broader theme than american carnage and i'm here and i'm going to fix everything. david is absolutely right that he has shown us he is a man who doesn't believe that the office
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is bigger than him. the most -- our presidents generally come into the oval office and they think this job is bigger than i am. he has been making the job as small as he is. this state of the union might be an opportunity to do better. that's all. he's going to be president at least another three years. we can't afford for him to be dragging us down. this is an opportunity to move us forward and upward. >> tim and david, we appreciate it so much. our special coverage begins 5:00 tomorrow night. thanks to our international viewers for watching. if you cnn "newsroom" is next. for our viewers in the united states, stay right here. "new day" continues right now. >> it is pretty clear to me everybody in the white house knows the end of the presidency if he fired mr. mueller. >> people in new york have a different way of talking. we blew off about some things. we can act right now and put in legislation that would require oversight. >> i think the president would be best served by never
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