this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria, coming to you live from new york. we'll begin today's show with the nunes memo. the words that are further dividing official washington. what to make of it. i have a great panel to discuss.

then, royalty. king abdullah ii of jordan on the move of the u.s. embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. his answer to donald trump's concern that islam hates america. >> i think islam hates us. >> for them to feel isolated, that's the danger. >> and the king's hopes for the future of the middle east. but first, here's my take. president trump's state of the union speech mostly ignored the world outside america. he made a few tough statements on things like the iran deal and guantanamo and described, accurately, the evil nature of the north korean regime. but he said very little about his foreign policy. this masks a more dangerous reality. the trump administration has in fact either accidentally or by design laid out aggressive markers in three different parts of the world. three red lines without any

serious strategy as to what happens when they are crossed. the first is with north korea. trump and his top officials have asserted that the area of strategic patience with north korea is over. the president has specifically promised that north korea would never be able to develop a nuclear weapon that could reach the united states. meanwhile, say director mike pompeo told cbs news that pyongyang is a handful of months away from having this capability. so what happens when that red line is crossed in a few months? what would be the american response? victor charles, seasoned expert, who was expected to be the nominee for ambassador to south korea, explained to the administration that there really were no limited military options, not even a small strike that would bloody the nose of the north korean regime. for this frank analysis, he was dropped for consideration for the ambassadorship. trump has announced he will

withdraw from the iran nuclear deal if congress and the european allies don't fix it. the europeans have made clear they don't think it's worth fixing and that it's working well. were trump to unilaterally abrogate the accord, the iranians have several options. they can pull out themselves and ramp up their nuclear program, which means trump would then have to deal with another north korea, this time in the middle east. or iran could sideline the united states, keep adhering to the deal, and do business with the rest of the world. and they could make mischief in the middle east. the third arena where the white house has talked and acted tough without any follow-on strategy is pakistan. the administration has publicly branded that country a terrorist haven and suspended military aid on those grounds. this is entirely understandable. the pakistani military has in fact been supporting terrorists and militants who operate in afghanistan, even against

american troops. and then those terrorists withdraw to their sanctuaries across the border in pakistan. but being right is not the same thing as being smart. most experts predicted that pakistan would respond to the american action in two ways. first, by pursuing closer relations with china, which would easily replace the aid. second, the pakistanis military would rachet up the violence in afghanistan, demonstrating that it has the capacity to destabilize the pro-american government in kabul and throw the country into chaos. that is precisely what has happened. thomas shelling once remarked that two things are very expensive in international affairs. threats when they fail, and promises when they succeed. so, he implied, be very careful about making either one. president trump seemed to understand this when his predecessor made a threat towards syria in 2013, and trump

tweeted, red line statement was a disaster for president obama. well, trump has just drawn three red lines of his own. and each of them is likely to be crossed. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. ♪ on friday, president trump declassified a controversial memo written by the republican side of the house intelligence committee that ended weeks of calls on the right to release the so-called nunes memo. but it didn't end the controversy. democratic california congressman ted lieu told wolf blitzer the memo was worse than a nothing burger. meanwhile the president tweeted this on saturday morning. this memo totally vindicates, quote, trump, unquote, in probe, but the russian witch hunt goes

on and on. this is an american disgrace. let us talk about the memo and the bigger picture with two powerful legal minds. pret johnathan turley is a constitutional law professor at george washington university, and preet bharara from new york university. preet, how did the memo read? >> it didn't have any bombshells. from a legal disappoint, not to disparage overly the drafters of the memo, but it reads like a mediocre criminal defense motion on a narrow point related to something in an affidavit that neither we nor the author of the memo has read. this is the kind of thing that happens all the time in criminal procedure. prosecutors seek information

through search warrants, through affidavits in support of title iii eavesdropping warrants on telephones. in the fisa process, it's a similar sort of process. from time to time, defense lawyers take their shot at trying to say the entire investigation is impugned and should be shut down and arrests arising from it should not have happened and charges should be dismissed because of an argument of a lack of candor with the court. i understand the argument. it happens all the time. with respect to what's happened here, what people don't understand is, we don't know, really, what the full facts are and how much candor there was. the memo itself describes a situation where it says that the fisa court was not advised of some potential political bias on the part of someone who wrote the dossier that was perhaps in some part in support of the eavesdropping warrant. we have now heard other reporting that suggests that in fact there was some candor with

the court in that regard. so i don't know. i think it's important to see what the other side says. it's important ultimately if it's possible and feasible for it to be declassified, the entire affidavit. for right now, for what it's worth, it's not a particularly good document. >> johnathan turley, isn't it fair to say, as preet does, the attempt here is to impugn an investigation on the basis of one fisa warrant for one person in which the claim is that not all the background was provided, the fbi says there was much more context, which is not provided. i mean, that's a pretty thin read to dismiss an entire investigation that must involve hundreds of people and much, much more. >> it indeed might be the motivation. i think both sides in this dispute have overplayed their hand. and i think it's disturbing on its face how the memo was described and what's in the memo. i do not agree that the memo is

some nothing burger. the memo does state, and there hasn't been a disagreement about this, that a dossier that was funded by the clinton campaign and the democratic national committee was used to secure at least in part a fisa application. and that is troubling, particularly when the details of that, i haven't heard denials that the full details were not disclosed. they were not disclosed to the court. that's a problem. we should all be concerned about that. it is possible that president trump could be right on that point, as are the republicans. it is also troubling that the fbi and democratic members from ranking member pelosi to schiff to others, said that this memo contained, you know, very sensitive, you know, national security information. the fbi said there would be grave consequences. and when the memo was released, there was none of that. i've done fisa work for many

years. i've done national security cases since reagan. there's no sources and methods in this. this is a fairly clean memo. in fact people have said it doesn't really contain much. but what should concern people is that classification laws were used to keep this under seal. the fbi has said that they obtained to it being declassified because it was inaccurate by omission. that's not an argument of classification. that's an argument, you don't like how the facts are being portrayed. those of us who have been critics of fisa and the intelligence communities see this document as very important in that respect. we have said for years that the fbi has used classification rules to hide embarrassing and compromising information. i've seen it personally in cases where i've been lead counsel. this is an example of that. and the democrats should be asked to answer for how they described this memo and more importantly, the fbi should be asked to answer about it. >> preet -- i'll just note,

jonathan, the argument you're making was traditionally made on the left and by civil libertarians and is now being used on the right by those who were generally in support of the fisa system. preet, your reaction? >> do we overclassify in this country? yes. do people have an interest in making sure that we're very, very careful about what information we reveal? yes. should we overstate how important the information was in this memo? no. but we shouldn't understate it either. i think people on both sides, career professionals, republicans, democrats, someone has to think for himself or herself, if i decide to cooperate with the american government as an intel source, for political reasons, one committee in congress on a part line vote can choose to out me. that has consequences and that's

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and worrisome. i was a prosecutor for a long time, but i also worked, as you noted, in the senate, on the judiciary committee. 11 years ago we conducted an investigation, oversight by the congress of the executive branch is very important, everybody is right when they say that, and we conducted an investigation into politicization of various things at the justice department. sound familiar? i think it does. i was one of the lead staffers on the democratic side and there was a lead staffer on the republican side. senator schumer and senator specter, republican and democrat, conducted an investigation on a bipartisan basis. every decision we made, the degree to which we would make items public, testimony public, what the order of witnesses would be, was done in a bipartisan way. we uncovered a number of things and people resigned in disgrace from the justice department over our investigation 11 years ago. there was a lot of credibility,

people on both sides had confidence that it was being done in the best interests of justice and democracy and the rule of law. i don't see much of that going on today. >> jonathan turley, when you look at this, what i'm wondering is, isn't it fair to say that the partisanship here has been invoked more on one side, which is to say, i mean, look at the people we're talking about here who are behind this investigation. it's jim comey, robert mueller, rod rosenstein, andrew mccabe, christopher wray. that's five conservative republicans, three of them appointed by president trump. i don't understand how this is a great democratic conspiracy when the five central people are conservative republicans. >> i don't think there is a great conspiracy by these individuals. i think the president has been over the top in his criticism of the fbi. where i agree with, having all

of these members saying that it's horrible that this memo was declassified. it's really chilling for those of us on the civil liberties side. for years, i'm talking about decades, we have argued that the committee should use the rule 11-g to push back on overclassification, for years. many of us, and i've testified in both the intelligence committees, in both classified and unclassified session. i've seen stuff that has been clearly unclassified that they held on through classification rules to keep the public from seeing. and so 11-g is an important rule. what is pricisurprising is not it was used here but this was the first time it was used. look at the memo. this should not have been classified. it should have been released. the democratic memo should be released. the transcript should be released with re-dax dakdaction. what bothers me here is both sides have been lying to the public. certainly somebody is lying to us. we have a right to figure out who. that will only come when we

release more material. the transcript, the democratic memo. we have to hold both sides to account for what they told us not just about the classification of this memo and its content but what was said in the testimony, because someone is lying to us. >> preet, again, you've got about a minute. i want to ask you where this goes next. are you worried that you will now see that this memo paves the way for the firing of rod rosenstein and a cleansing of the justice department? >> yeah, i mean, that's the concern. it seems like a foundation being laid. i think a lot of people have said that. donald trump says something nice about someone -- he loves you on monday, he hates you on wednesday, he fires you on friday, or sometimes he lets you dangle. some people are being left to dangle at the moment. that will be a problem around the country if he acts on the impulses that we know he has.

he wanted to fire mueller months ago, he fired jim comey. the second concern you have is that devin nunes has announced there's going to be a sequel to the memo and the next one might be about the state department. if the next one is as shoddy as this one, i think we have problems. >> thank you both, gentlemen. a fascinating conversation about something that is not going to go away. next on "gps," the memo's affects on the fbi. a former fbi special agent will join me. ♪ ♪ wow! ♪ i'm walking on sunshine ♪ wow! ♪ i'm walking on sunshine ♪ wow! ♪ and don't it feel good ♪ hey! ♪ alright now ♪ and don't it feel good ♪ applebee's handcrafted burgers.

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on friday morning, during the 6:00 a.m. hour, president trump tweeted the following. the top leadership and investigators of the fbi and justice department have politicized the sacred investigative process in favor of democrats and against republicans, something which would have been unthinkable just a short time ago. rank and file are great people. remember, the top leadership of the justice department and the fbi are mostly people trump has put in place, at least at the very top. what effect do statements like

the president's have on federal law enforcement, from leaders to the rank and file of the fbi? joining me now is a former fbi special agent, now a lecturer at yale's jackson institute for global affairs and a cnn national security analyst. let me ask you to respond to the twe tweet. let's leave the rank and file out, but even at the leadership level, is it anti-trump, in your view? >> in my experience, fareed, the fbi was in general a conservative leaning organization. and i say in general because to be honest, on a day-to-day level, agents don't talk about politics. they are there to do their investigations. and your political views don't apply to that. so i didn't remember having any explicit political conversations. but to your point that you

mentioned earlier, at this point, fareed, the top leadership at the fbi consists of trump's own appointees. we have the fbi director christopher wray. we know that he is now appointing his own senior staff. he's appointed his own general counsel. andrew mccabe has stepped down. so it's hard to understand who he's referring to, given that these are his own people. and i also think that trying to distinguish the rank and file from the top leadership is disingenuous because this is one big apparatus that works together. and you can't really pick just one person out of that and lay the blame at their feet. >> do you think that this is going to have an impact on the fbi and on, more importantly, national security, the release of the memo, i mean? >> unfortunately i do. and the question is going to be how long that impact will last.

so there's obviously going to be internally some loss of morale. but i think the fbi is going to persevere. they will still continue doing their investigations. the problem, fareed, is that the bread and butter of the fbi is going out and talking to people and getting people to give them information. this could include tips, it could include interviewing them in the course of an investigation. to do that, they need the public's trust. most importantly, the fbi needs to recruit sources. this is for political investigations, this is for counterterrorism investigations and for counterintelligence investigations. those sources have to trust that the fbi will maintain their confidentiality, protect their identity, be able to protect them. and what this memo has done, as preet bharara i believe mentioned earlier in your program, is let them know that even when the fbi wants to probate th protect them, they may not be

able to if for political reasons congress and even the president wants to have them end up on the front page of "the new york times." and i also think that the memo impacts the fbi's ability to get intelligence from our allies, because of course it did disclose that some of the evidence that was used to get the fisa warrant was given to us by our australian intelligence partners. so all of this has a dramatic impact on national security and the fbi's capabilities in that regard. >> now, do you think that this whole controversy, what might happen next, could this should down robert mueller's investigation? that seems to me kind of the big question here. >> right. for this to go to a point where it shuts down robert mueller's investigation, there has to be several steps. it's going to depend, if the president chooses to take those steps, at what point congress is

going to step in. if he chooses to fire deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, for example, that would mean that mueller's supervisor in this investigation could be replaced with someone who is more compliant with president trump's wishes. mueller still has some flexibility but he could get slow-rolled in his efforts. if trump tries to fire mueller, which he can do through a variety of ways, it would be very public. that would basically put us into a constitution crisis. there could be another special counsel appointed by somebody else in the department of justice. but of course, you know, it opens up a whole new can of worms. but the big picture, fareed, is that this train has left the station. at this point there are multiple cases open within the fbi. some of them have entered the justice system, we've seen with indictments and plea deals, and there may be other grand juries

convening right now. there are thousands of documents that are now in electric filonis within the fbi system. our intelligence partners have picked up evidence, as we know now, but some of this russian interference. so the investigation, if there are attempts to quash it, might be quashed for a short time, but eventually the truth will come out. we now know -- >> i've got to end on that note. but that's fascinating, a two-year investigation, hundreds of sources, multiple countries involved. asha, thank you very much. next up, the main event of the show. the king of jordan everything you can imagine. how do you win at business?

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10 million people including several million refugees. beyond his borders, the king has a crucial role that has become even more so in recent weeks. the king of jordan is the custodian of the muslim holy places in jerusalem. and in december, of course, president trump recognized jerusalem as the capital of israel. many wonder how a newly empowered israel will deal with its muslim population and holy places. i talked to king abdullah about trump's controversial move, about the potential for peace in the middle east, and whether islam hates america as donald trump once said. thank you so much for doing this, your majesty. >> good to see you. >> president trump announced that the united states would move its embassy to jerusalem. how much does that complicate your life? >> it has a complication for jordan. we've had some very good exchanges with the president, with the administration over the past year. and our position was that, look,

we understand that this is something that is important to the president. it was a campaign promise. but the subject of jerusalem has to be part of a comprehensive solution for israelis and for palestinians. the decision was taken, as you all know. it has created a backlash, because it's frustrated the palestinians where they feel that there isn't an honest broker. i would like to reserve judgment, because we're still waiting for the americans to come out with their plan. but tremendous sympathy to where the palestinians are feeling. and jerusalem is such an emotional subject for everybody. and i think we have to look to the future, what we want for jerusalem. is jerusalem a city that ends up dividing us, which i think would be catastrophic for mankind? or is it a city of hope that brings us together? it is important to jews,

christians, and muslims. if you remember his holiness pope francis's message at christmas, hoping jerusalem will be dealt with as part of a negotiated settlement. it's as important to muslims as it is to christians. and all the christian church leaders in jerusalem have asked jordan to plea on their behalf to the united nations and international community. so this is not a one-off for jews and muslims. this is a city that could either create tremendous problems for us in the future, or it is an umbrella that gives us hope on how we propel -- and i've said this before, "strategic" is a greek word. you won't find it in the hebrew or arabic dictionary, and that's one of the problems we're facing. so these decisions are made. what are we thinking of jerusalem looking like down the road? and it could be a tremendous city that brings us together or

it could create aggression and violence that we've never seen before. >> there was some hope that -- among certainly palestinians and arabs that while president trump announced this move, the embassy wouldn't actually move. vice president pence now says the embassy will move next year. would you urge delaying that actual move? >> again, it comes back to how do we look at this. one part of the office of peace has been jerusalem to the israelis. what is the incentive to the palestinians? we are all, and i'm not saying just the middle east, but our european and western colleagues are waiting for the peace proposal to be provided. the hiccup at the moment is, out of tremendous frustration, the palestinians don't feel that the united states is an honest broker. but at the same time, they're reaching out to the europeans. and to me that is a signal that they do want peace.

how do we build the confidence and trust between the palestinian leadership and the american leadership so that we can get americans, israelis, and palestinians at the table? again, we all know, and the europeans i think are looking at this in a very positive light, we cannot have a peace process or a peace solution without the role of the united states. so we have to talk about, in the next month or two, how do we bring everybody together? and what is the plan? we have ideas of what the plan is. some people say it's a tough plan, which we have to be concerned about. but is it a good plan? if the palestinians, because the plan is not good, walk away, where do we go from there? i think that's the problem. >> where do we go? because there are many palestinians who now say bibi netanyahu's government

essentially made clear that the two-state solution is dead and they should maybe start pursuing a one-state solution and simply asking for political rights within israel. >> so going back to the strategic challenges, and this is a question we have debated with our israeli colleagues for a while, where do you see your future? so if it's a one-state solution, is it a one-state solution with equal rights? as we look at the arab-israeli demographics, as we look at palestinians under the occupation, we're basically discussing, and have for a while, is an apartheid system. can we deal with this apartheid system and make it fair for everybody? and it's not just the arab-israelis and the palestinians under occupation. the second class citizens are also the muslims and christians, israelis, all those in the west bank. so in my view, with the demographics, with the

population changes, that's more challenging from the israeli perspective than a two-state solution. >> do you believe that prime minister netanyahu still believes in a two-state solution, or did he ever believe in one? >> what we're seeing today, we have to reserve judgment. i have my skepticism. but until the americans show us the other part of the plan -- and i would imagine that the challenge that the americans have with the israelis is, if this is to make any sense, is to give something pretty good to the palestinians. i think that's the point we'll see whether the israelis will accept. i have a feeling that the two-state solution, the way that we envisage, is not the same two-state solution that they're looking at. >> your placing a lot of hope in this american plan.

do you have any realistic process percent that it will be ambitious and comprehensive? >> well, listen. we've been at this for a while, and looking always at the glass half full. i think we have to give the americans the benefit of the doubt and all work together to make sure that we help the americans, israelis, and palestinians come together. however, in the very near future, if it is not a good plan, and so the discussions a lot of us are having, what is plan "b," i don't think we've got a plan "b" at this stage. or is that a one-stage solution? and how do we do that in a positive way where israel is integrated and part of the future of the neighborhood? >> president trump has said that he has made the last waiver on the iran sanctions that he will make, which means there's a very distinct possibility that the united states will somehow withdraw from the iran nuclear deal. he says that he wants the

europeans to toughen it up. the europeans have already said publicly they have no intention of doing so, they think the deal is a good deal and they believe iran has abided by it. what happens if the united states unilaterally pulls out of the iran nuclear deal? >> i think maybe i'll ask the president tomorrow. the jordanian position is we are fully supportive, and we have been since our existence, of a nuclear-free zone for the middle east. nuclear weapons in our region is a pretty scary thing. we understand the americans' position and i hope we come to a common understanding. when we come back, donald trump told anderson cooper during the campaign that he thinks islam hates america. i'll ask one of the world's most important muslim leaders how he responds. back in a moment.

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do you think islam is at war with the west? >> i think islam hates us. there's something -- there's something there, there's a tremendous hatred there. there's a tremendous hatred. we have to get to the bottom of it. >> that was donald trump before he was president. i wanted to get king abdullah of jordan's take on it. the king's official biography says his lineage is traceable back 42 generations, directly to the prophet mohammed. he is also of course the custodian of the islamic holy sites in jerusalem. the king has met with president trump many times. i wanted his view on the matter. during the campaign for the presidency, donald trump said something on cnn, actually. he said "i think islam hates us," by "us" i think he meant america. in your conversations with president trump, have you tried to persuade him that that was

not the case? >> absolutely to all americans, whether i'm in ashington,in the congress, or with the administration. i think maybe there's a lack of understanding of islam. islam is built on moral virtues that you see in christianity and judaism and other religions. it is not a religion of hate. muslims we believe in the bible and the torah, and i think this is the way we were brought up. i said this before, when we greet each other as muslims and arabs, we say peace be with you. that is probably the most said sentence that people say from the minute he wakes up to the minute he goes to sleep at night. i think that is the basis of islam. we have challenges because there

are fringe groups that have created problems. as i said, we have a fight inside islam. this is a civil war between all of us and those that considered us heretics and should be put to the sort. us working side by side with christians and german in the scourge, this is not going to be something dissolved. as i said, by other means. in the united states, the challenge has to be -- i'm not so worried about the united states terrorists of getting in. what you don't want, and not just in the united states, in my country or in europe, is to have the muslim population feeling victimized and isolated, and that creates a breeding ground of contempt because everybody hates us. i'm more worried that the

narrative creates more internal challenges of security if muslims muslims, at the end of the day we all want a better life for the future of our children and their children. for them to feel isolated, that's the danger. and the rhetoric that moves in that direction is not good. >> but part of that rhetoric emanates from donald trump. every time there is a terror attack in europe, he tweets about it. do you sense in your meetings with him that you have been able to persuade him? has this topic come up? >> we have discussed this, and again, don't forget that in our global fight against international terrorism, the united states is the most active partner in the world, not just with jordan but with europe, the countries in africa and the far east. so they are our allies, and, you know, our relationship with the united states is institutional. i think that, you know, we are all partners in this global

challenge. >> finally, let me ask you, your majesty, when -- at davos this year, there is a reasonable amount of optimism around the world. the united states is growing economically, europe is growing, japan is growing, china, india, latin america. the middle east has always been this one area where there isn't that much optimism. are you optimistic or pessimistic about the middle east? >> again, i think that the middle east went through a very important crossroads several years ago, arab spring. this was started by young people who wanted dynamic change in our region. hijacked, unfortunately, by organized -- religious organizations with an extremist agenda. but it is a crossroads that i think we're still getting through. i've said to my arab colleagues for many years, i said, you know, a lot of the middle east

always looked down on africa. and i used to say, listen, the africans are talking to each other, they have profit trade with each other, they have alliances together, they are combatting terrorism together. as i've seen today, africa has moved beyond where we are in the middle east. is it we're still overcoming the arab spring? but we need to get our act together and start to talk to each other, and i think when you look at africa where all the arab countries are are lookiloo on, they're showing us the right direction. >> abdullah, thank you very much. >> always a pleasure. we choose s like almonds, peanuts and a drizzle of dark chocolate. find your favorite and give kind® a try.

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