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wolf. >> we'll watch the vice president moves in south korea. a lot of questions about if there will be any contact at all with north koreans while there. thank you very much. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. erin burnett outfront starts right now. next, breaking news. the house intelligence committee voting to release the democrats memo. the rebuttal to the nunes memo. will president trump allow you to see it? the dow plunges. it's the single biggest one day drop in american history. why? it doesn't have anything to do with trump. a member of trump's own cabinet calling the president an empty vessel. who had the nerve? let's go out front.
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good evening. >> as a result we see a tactic we have seen in criminal cases where when the facts are increasingly incriminating of the defendant, there's an effort to put the government on trial. >> that was the ranking member, adam schiff. the author speaking out after that unanimous vote. at this moment only president trump can make the ultimate decision. does he approve be memo's release as he did with the nunes memo or block it. the president will have five days to make a formal decision and he's playing games with it. >>. >> thank you.
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>> thank you. >> are you going to release the memo? >> uncharacteristically silent. that's coming as the president bragged about the nunes memo saying it totally vindicates trump, putting his own name in quotes. never mind the memo admitted it began months before the fisa application. the president of the united states is seizing on anything to slam the russia probe itself. here he is today giving a speech. it was about the economy and he made a reference to the republican's memos claims of wrong doing at the fbi. >> did we catch them in the act or what? oh, did we catch them in the act? they are very embarrassed.
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they never thought they were going to get caught. we caught them. it's so much fun. we're like great sleuths. >> a great sleuth doesn't accept one side of the story. a great sleuth collects all sides before making a decision. the president doesn't have a choice here. listen to trump's own aides arguing for release of the nunes memo. the buzz word wasn't the gop side, tfit was openness, transparency. >> we want it to be a deliberative process. >> we have seen all along from day one that we want full transparency in this process. >> okay. there's only one decision the president can make that supports transparency. in light of a unanimous vote in the committee that along party lines refuse to release the democratic memo before the weekend. he's got to approve the release. the big question is whether he will release it in full or
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remove key parts of it to neuter its impact. >> we want to make sure that the white house does not redact our memo for political purposes and that's a deep concern. >> pamela brown is out front at the white house. we have all sides of this covered. the breaking vote from the house intelligence committee, the big news where you are. what happened in that room? >> republicans joined with democrats in voting to release this memo. this after the republicans last week voted to block the democratic memo's release saying they just gotten a copy of it and only agree to allow the full house to review it in a classify setting. today change of course. the yun nan mouse vote in the committee to send this to the president's desk giving him five days to decide. behind closed doors, there were questions for devin nunes.
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whether or not the white house work with him in any way to draft the memo. according to adam schiff who briefed reporters afterward said nunes gave a lawyerly response saying no one in the white house drafted the memo. according to schiff's take away, he did not explain any preparation. working with the nunes staff and putting together the memo the president has heralded as a vinds indication. he does not believer the white house was involved in any way of putting together this memo but still a lot of back and forth in this committee despite the you nn mouse vote and a big question about what the republicans will do if the president does block its release, whether they will
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vote to override him at the moment several of the republicans, i talked to, said they didn't want to cross that bridge yet. they hope the president agrees to release it later this week. >> that seems to be the only option he has. he's been playing coy and you don't know until you know. thank you. pamela brown is at the white house. it's now in the president's hands. what will he do? >> well, it's still an open question. the white house official saying tonight that the democrats memo will be read and reviewed but stop short of saying that it will be declassified. the official says it will go through the same process as the nunes memo went through with white house lawyers, other national security officials weighing in. as you recall the president said even for he read it that it would be released 100%. far from certain if that will happen with the democrats memo and the big question is whether there will be redactions made by the white house. republicans on the hill said the fbi had given input on changes
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to be made before it even came here to the white house. you heard adam there, the ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee expressing concern that the white house will make redactions for political reasons. that's one reason why he handed it over to the fbi and department of justice to weigh in. the president does have five days to make a decision on this and it will truly be a test of transparency for the president given the fact that the white house used transparency as a justification for releasing the nunes memo last week. >> thank you. outfront i want to go to a member of the intelligence committee. congressman, thanks for being with me. unanimous. the release of the democrat memo was voted down on party lines. were you surprised at a unanimous vote moments ago? >> i was happy to see it. it's the right thing to do and hopefully the president allows the memo to go to the public free from any political edits.
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i will say this is a dangerous pr precedent for an ongoing investigation to occur and evidence to be put out in the public while investigators are still interviewing witnesses. we believe what the republicans did last week with their false memo was so poisonous that it would be to give the public the full picture. one of my colleagues pointed out the steele dossier was inaccurate because there's questions about where the president's lawyer really traveled. all we did was bring them in and ask him if he had fwoen gone to places. there's an unwillingness to conduct a serious investigation. we can't rely on bob mueller to be the insurance policy because the president is doing all he can to undermine that
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investigation. >> the memo is now in the president's hands. i asked whether the president would release your memo. here's what he said. >> i think the president would be inclined to release the democratic memo should it come to us and be reviewed and gone through the same process and if national security and legal equities review it and say it doesn't challenge, sources and method and be accurate. >> the president will release it. doesn't seem like he has any choice rationally. >> to even suggest they would show a new discretion on being concerned about sources and methods is just not believable. they revealed sources and methods in their memo. that's what's so unfortunate. we should only review new sources and methods if they put into context what the republicans did. we must get back to work. we spent three weeks seeing them
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attack the process but not been able to attack the evidence because we're not bringing in witnesses and they still have not shown there was anything but a willingness and eagerness by the trump team to work with the russians. >> i know the ranking member, your colleague, congressman schiff has indicated hooe ed hed the white house will try to heavily redact the memo. i want to read what lee said about your memo. he said friends don't let friends of the house intel committee compromise good source and methods. schiff loaded up his memo with many sources and methods that shouldn't be released and he knows it. there's zero percent chance this isn't delivered to play games. does your colleague have a point. did he load this up with a bunch of stuff so it can get redacted and he can complain about it? >> no. we voted to not allow the republican memo to go forward.
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it's our preference to not have any of this out. no investigator would want to show potential witnesses the evidence that they have before they question them. we're setting this precedent we're his campaign is suggebjeco a criminal investigation. >> you're saying it's not loaded up with sources and methods? that's false? >> the only sources and methods put into context is the falsities they asserted. we believe it should be a close hold on the evidence. >> it's straight rebuttal to the points made? >> that's right. >> one of those points is that about uncorroborated information in the dossier being used to support the fisa application for carter page and congressman schiff admits that parts were included in the fisa application. i wanted to play how he put that specifically. here he is. >> there were portions of the work that christopher steele did that were pertinent to carter
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page and some were corroborated. >> the line there is some were corroborated. if only some parts were corroborated no matter what else was put into the fisa application, that would mean other parts were not corroborated. isn't it fair to say that is a problem? >> no. this fisa application was to begin an investigation. it was not to present a closing argument to a jury. the only way you can get more evidence and start to corroborate what was in that dossier is to launch the initial investigation. i think they are confusing what was being done and what part of the time line we were in this investigation. >> the president today spoke about democrats reaction during the state of the union address. i want to play what he said. >> you have the other side, even on positive news, really positive news, like that, they were like death and un-american.
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un-american. somebody said treasonous. i guess, why not. can we call that treason? why not. >> death, un-american and ultimately he says treason. your response. >> if the president thinks it's treasonous that i did not tax for tax scam policies that don't help people save more then count me in as one of the traitors. if he works to support those, i'll stand up and clap. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. next, congressman devin nunes says he's looking at the state department for irregularities. more memos to come. the president of the united states hailed devin nunes as the great american hero. today was the single biggest one day plunge in dow history. a president who bragged daily about market gains was silent. on this curious trump
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memo that counters the nunes memo on alleged fbi surveillance abuse. now it's in the president's hand. he's got five days to approve its release. this comes as chairman devin nunes is not stopping. he's indicating there may be more memos to come warning that he has targets in his sights. >> what we're looking at now is a state department and some of the irregularities there. we have several other areas that we're looking at but i don't want the american people to think we're going to have a memo that will go through this p proce process. we'll follow the facts where they lead. when we get enough facts we'll figure out a way to let the american people know. >> a way to let them know without the memo process. now former advisor, including four presidents. david you're sitting here. chairman nunes doubling down. there's more to come but it's not going to go through the same process as in a committee vote
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and redactions. what's going to come here? >> i think hours after the house committee did the right thing and voting nor the democratic memo unanimously. it's disheartening now to see another republican go after another institution of government. just tearing down the system that so many presidents have worked hard and their teams have worked so hard to build respect for. they're going after law enforcement and going to go back to the state department. the morale is already rock bottom. stude people are leaving in droves. students in my class aren't going to do it anymore. it's not a path way that's good. i don't know why he's doing this. it seems to me totally partisan. i think he's wringing discredit on himself. i do not think this last episode has helped his own reputation. >> they had to vote for release
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the democratic memo. that did not happen. they voted against it. the president tweeted and look president trump been his biggest backer. representative devin nunes may some day be recognized as a great american hero for what he's exposed and what he's had to endure. >> well, what's clear is that devin nunes has decided to go all in for his patron, president trump. he's doubling down the way that president trump doubles down when he comes under pressure. why devin nunes is doing this, i haven't a clue. i would say we have to take it seriously. it's been a long time since we saw a member of congress talk about conspiracies in order to undermine the legitimacy of our intelligence and law enforcement community in our state department. the last time it happened on this scale was joseph mccarthy.
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i'm not saying that devin nunes equals joseph mccarthy. people in the early '50s didn't take him seriously and he caused e mor nous damage to this country. i'm worried that some people will pass devin nunes off as a b baffoon because trey gowdy, a lot of real republican leaders are not towing his line. if he uses the power of congressional investigation to undermine our institutions for the sake of president trump, he's a threat to the country's stability. >> it's worth remembering that president trump, one of his heroes was ray cohn who was the top lunts ieutenant to mccarthy. >> gloria, go ahead. >> first of all, devin nunes overpromised in this memo. he had a huge roll out for it.
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it didn't deliver what he said it was going to deliver but it did cause the president to say he was completely vinds indicates. i'm wondering how that plays with bob mueller and i'm wondering if this memo could backfire with the special counsel. he know his team is in negotiations with the president's attorneys about whether the president's going to testify and we've reported that the president's attorneys don't want him to testify. if the president tweets things like he tweeted about being vindicated, bob mueller may have a better case to make to the president's attorneys about what is that mean. we do need to talk to him and i think nunes rather than helping the president, which is i'm sure, i agree, was his objective but rather than help the president, i think in his own way, he's actually hurting the
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president because you have to keep your eye on the ball here. investigation. >> the memo is misleading and some cases it's very simply wrong, inaccurate. today nunes said something which is also completely inaccurate. here he is. >> as far as we can tell he never even had met with the president. >> just to point everyone out here, it's an official trump campaign, march 31st, 2016. you can see that. then trump bragged about papadopoulos. here he is. >> phd, advisor to the house of representatives caucus and counter terrorism expert. carter page, phd.
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george papadopoulos, he's an oil and energy consultant, excellent guy. >> george papadopoulos was the reason the russia investigation, the counter intielligence investigation began. >> what's obvious here -- >> he's trying to say no relevance. >> mr. nunes is trying to undermine the investigation of russian intervention in the 2016 campaign. carter page is not the way to do it. the george papadopoulos case is the way to do it. not satisfied with having created a lot of gonoise about e carter page warrant. mr. nunes is going after the papadopoulos investigation. why doesn't he care? why doesn't the congressman care about the intervention and our elections by russia. why is he so focussed on domestic conspiracies that likely don't exist? this is what's so unfortunate
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because he's the share of the committee that oversees our intelligence community. i can't imagine how they can take this man seriously when he keeps focusing inward when he should be looking outside at adversaries trying to undermine our democracy. >> the president said the memo totally vindicates trump putting his own name in quotes for i have no idea why. he is saying this. devin believes this. a lot of other republicans do not, including trey gowdy who wrote the nunes memo. >> do you agree it vindicates trump? >> i think this is a separate issue. >> you don't agree? >> i don't. >> i don't think it has any impact on the russia probe. >> the memo has no impact on the russia probe? >> not to me it doesn't. i was involved in the drafting of it. there's a russia investigation without a dossier.
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>> i thought it was striking that trey gowdy came out so firmly and strongly as he did. he's very respected in republican ranks. i do think what you're seeing for the first time with more daylight between republicans and capitol hill staring the 2018 elections in their face and worrying about their own futures. they are separating some. that's not a good sign for the president. it's much harder to win these fights unless you have a united king behind you. we're seeing cracks. >> this is exactly why they had to vote tonight to release the democratic memo because of people like trey gowdy saying, you know what, we need to get to the bottom of the russia investigation which is really important and we can't trip ourselves up on this stuff. so, they had no choice. it's going to be an interesting to see what the president does whether he releases it or releases it in a largely
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redacted form. we don't know. i think devin nunes has done more harm to this and more harm to the president, in fact, than we actually know because bob mueller's people are sitting there taking a look at this and scratching their heads and saying wait a minute. we need to talk to this president. >> maybe it does give him a case where it's harder to say negotiate that. thank you, all three. next, disaster on wall street. trump touting, i mean today he talked about the economy. usually he talks about the market. today, obviously, this was what the screen looked like. he didn't want to. the president's stunning accusation against democrats for not applauding his state of the union speech. >> un-american. somebody said treasonous. i mean, yeah, why not. 't guarane that you'll be able to contain yourself at our breakfast bar. morning, egg white omelet. sup lady bacon! fruit, there it is!
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any comment on the dow? >> well, that's because the dow plunged 1,175 points. at one point it was down nearly 1600 points. no matter which way you look at it, tfit was the biggest drop i history. it's 4.6% loss took away all the gains for this year so far for 2018. now it accelerated while the president wads spes speaking li. this is what it looked like on split screen. just continuing to go down. jeff, how is the white house responding to the market slide? the president is silent but the white house has opinibeen force comment. >> one thing we did not hear the president talk about in cincinnati is how good your 401(k)s and retirement plans are doing. that's become a sound track for most of the first year i'm in
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office. always talking about the high stock market. his white house press secretary sarah sanders did release a statement a few hours after the market closed. it said this, let's look. she said the president's focus is on our long term economic fundamentals which remain exceptionally strong. historically low unemployment and increasing wages for american workers. clearly trying sth ining to shoa long term play. i'm told the president is being advised to actually remember the long term strategy. to not use the stock market as an indicator day in and day out. he is perhaps resisting that advice. he likes instant gratification. again, he's been talking about it so much as it's been going up. even in davos, saying if hillary clinton was elected, the stock market would have gone down 50%. of course, you live by it, you may die by it. the question we have is will
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this impact policies. will it impact the decision to withdraw from nafta or nieconom related things. his advisors hope he will not. the split screen unavoidable. >> that's the sort of thing he cares deeply about. the appearance of it. thank you very much, jeff. >> it's psychological. >> former trump campaign advisor. steve, the president brags constantly about the stock market. you and i have talked about this on and off camera. for those who do not see his speeches at factories on days the market is going up, here is a snippet from a few of them. >> we just hit a new high today in the stock market. >> today, again, the stock market has reached another record all time high. >> the stock market is up very, very big today. we've set new records. >> the stock market is way up
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again today. we're setting a record literally all the time. >> all right. now we're now in the red for the year. when you own every day that it goes up, don't you own the biggest drop in history? >> you and i have been in financial news for a long time. before we got into politics. yes, i agree and i caution the white house and the president, individually, about talking too much about the stock market. i think it's also important to keep this in context. the stock market when he was elected, the dow jones industrial was just above 18,000. we went up roughly 8,000. have given up roughly 2,000 of those highs. i'm not discounting opinion this was a serious day. there was wealth lost. it matters. in context, going up eight, giving back two. it's like the super bowl last night. if you're up by four touchdowns and give up one, it's not
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seriously as consequential. >> if you want to look at the stock market, it went up more under obama. again, president's don't control the stock market. i don't think it's a good measure of the economy. i you're going to use markets as a metric for a president's success, we just don't look that impressive. >> i'm not. that's why i'm saying. i caution the white house to not use it as the metric. the stock market did great under president obama. you know who didn't do great, mainstream, workers didn't do great. i don't want focus on the stock market. i want to focus on productivity, employment. that's real. that's not the stock market. that's people working and earning. it's just surging.
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the stock market goes up and down. what matters most is the paychecks that's the tax cuts that's given three million works and counting. >> there were more created under the last few years of the obama administration. it's not to say under president trump things did batly. they did well. to make this nar tirative that things were bad under obama and then they got good under trump, that's false nar tifr. >> things are recovering under obama but they got marketedly better over the last year. it increased 600,000 people.
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>> fwen this is a continuation of the trend we saw. >> the real economy. is it gets better or not? you're going to talk about tax cuts and bonuses. the savings rate was right before the last stock market crash. >> the economy is doing well. if you look at growth rates for the most part it's not some defuation from the trend that we saw under obama. again, presidents do not control what happens in the economy. they can influence it one way or the other. if you look at growth rates, it was a lot of talk of how great gdp growth was. it was as fast as it's been since 2015. yeah, we've had a pretty strong economy but it's not like
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there's been some huge up tick that we did not see before. >> here's where i disagree. you're right. i think presidents get too much credit or blame. i will concede that point. on this, president trump deserves enormous credit. the animal spirit, the belief that we can do something. we can hire more, invest more. the small business optimism surveys are at all time highs. that is in no small part because of the deregulation and tax cuts going on in washington, d.c. >> we're tight on time. sorry to interrupt. does he recognize the absurdity of the fact he brags about it goes up and when it plunges he won't answer the question. does he realize how absurd that is or does he not see that? i'm just asking. >> up 8,000, down 2 and he's supposed to apologize. >> on any day it went up, he was happy to brag about that given days point. >> i done want to get married to the stock market.
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>> i'm not talking about you. does he realize? >> yes, he does. is it the only measure of our national prosperity? gosh, no. i would argue it's not a good pressure of our national prosperity because it went up over the last decade while working americans went backwards. what we're seeing now is the opposite. >> thank you very much. lot more to come on this. next, which trump cabinet member called the president an empty vessel twice? trump leveling some serious charges at democrats who did not clap for him during his state of the union. >> un-american. somebody said treasonous. i mean, yeah, i guess, why not.
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he told supporters he had to stop looking a ining at the dem because they were giving off such bad energy, in his words. >> you're up there. you have half the room going totally crazy, wild. they loved everything. they want to do something great for our country. you have the other side even on positive news, really positive news, like that, they were like death. and un-american. un-american. somebody said treasonous. i mean, yeah. i guess, why not. >> okay. outfront now a friend of the president for over 15 years. also a former republican candidate for the governor of north korea and joan walsh. joan, the president calling americans un-american and looking like death. i said some of them were looking a bit like death. a little grouchy and sleepy but treasono treasonous. he said why not. it's not a light word to joke
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with. >> it's not joking word. >> what do you say? >> i think it's outrageous. it's a new low. he shows he might be more comfortable being president of russia, having vladmir putin's job than the job he has. he's not a respecter of our rights to free speech. he demonizes the press and single out members of the congressional black caucus in those comments. >> when he's talking about black unemployment? 12k34r. >> yes. they should be grateful and on their feet. the party in power, the party claps. the other, not so much. this is nothing different. >> that's the way politics goes opinion we all remember the infamous you lie moment. >> that was the heat of the moment. not pre-determined. >> it went along with not standing. that's just par for the course. >> you lie. heat of the moment. >> i don't agree with that.
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i think, today, he was wrong. even though it was obvious he have was joking. i think people in this room kind of giggled. you don't use that word in a joking manner. let's face it here. the democrats, i think he was right too. i think it's amazing, amazing in a state of the union address where he's actually giving something that is heartfelt but also good news. good news, that we could all agree good news. not policy issue where the democrats aren't going to agree. they sat on their hands. they sat on their hands and did look like grouches. republicans didn't stand with obama when he was talking about policy. when he was talking about of arching things they could stand for, of course they would stand. >> to go back to your point, it was a joke. he said they were un-american. they didn't come out as a joke. he said they didn't love the country. those people love this country as much as he does, perhaps
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more. >> everyone loves the country. >> that's an outrageous thing to say. in terms of african-american unemployment. there's a history where donald trump is now taking credit for the work of barack obama, this trajectory that we saw and doing it in way that people perceive as divisive or way to turn one against the other and a way to take credit for improving conditions. >> i want to play obama gave eight state of the union addresses before joint sessions of congress. i'm sorry eight addresses. the first one never counts. seven state of the unions. the republicans really never stood when he made certain points. i want to show everybody my point and ask if we hear is different than what we saw with democrats in president trump. here it is. >> the reforms i'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegal. >> you lie!
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>> give small businesses the credit they need to stay afloat. [ applause ] >> each of those proposals deserves a vote in congress. >> okay. the point is, small businesses staying afloat. not everything is somebody everybody would agree with. the jergerrymandering districts. republicans redrawn the line. they don't agree with that. the whole point of a state of the union is your party stands for you and the other party sits there. in it's almost li >> it's almost like a competition. it's almost like a pep rally where one side wants to be louder than the other and back their guy up. to call it treasonous and un-american and say they don't
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love this country. >> it wasn't just standing or sitting. it was a predetermined decision to not attend. >> that's their right. >> it was about a dozen. >> they didn't attend the inauguration. representative louis said he wasn't a real president. >> maxine waters goes cokoo. >> i wouldn't call her coo coo. she goes over the line but nobody criticizes her. >> people criticize her. you just did. people didn't show up to his inauguration. it's true. that's because what the black community in this country, they have a long history with donald trump. they know that he was sued by the justice department. he and his dad were sued by the justice department for discriminating against black n tenents on applications. they would write c on it and
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shove it in a drawer and nobody would see it. he took out a full page ad for a death penalty for the central park five. he continued to insinuate they were different. >> we have gone through this before. with president obama if you disagreed with his policies, you were deemed a bigot, hater, racist and the democrats are so good at using race to quiet, to quail. we can't have that anymore. we have to be able to speak against whomever we feel in power. that's our right. >> thank you both. next, empty vessel. more abusive to the constitution than obama. it's not a democrat as you might guess. it's a sitting member of the president's cabinet. of course, the president likely
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new tonight, harsh words leveled at the president from one of his own cabinet members. newly discovered for the city etch pa administrator scott pruit. here is a radio interview from during the 2016 presidential campaign of scott pruitt. >> let me tell you something, i think he is an empty vessel when
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it comes to the things like the constitution and the rule of law. and concerned that perhaps if you are in the white house, that there may be a blunt instrument as the voice of the constitution. these are pretty strong comments. this was during the campaign. and we know this is a president who you know, when he was picking people to be in his cabinet, if someone came in with an article, oh, they said something bad about you, he would be unloath to name them. >> he made these comments when he was serving as oklahoma attorney general. he would go on this energy radio show. now, these exact comments came early in about 2016 in about february. he was serving this honorary capacity for jeb bush's
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campaign. >> this is the second critical comment that you found from pruitt during testimony to his senate economy last week. asked about this comment from 2016. let me play that. >> i am going to say that you are probably not a big trump suppo supporter? >> no. and you know what is interesting, that i believe that donald trump in the white house would be more abusive to the companien institution than barack obama and that is saying a lot. >> the white house did not comment, didn't respond to our e-mails. pruitt we got a statement sent to us from an epa spokesperson. after meeting president trump, it is abundantly clear that president trump is the most consequential leader of our time. no one has done more to advance
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the law. >> just basically ignore everything i have said before. >> and we got this over-the-top statements that we get from people when they are trying to apiece president trump. >> all right. thank you very much. unearthing all these tapes again and again. and next, jeanne moos on trump's obsession with little things. now i have nicoderm cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. it's the best thing that ever happened to me. every great why needs a great how.
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now why does that sound so familiar? >> little rocket man. little marco. >> he has tweeted about little michael bloomberg. little bob corker. lots of previous littles led one critic to tweet he has run out of nicknames, dude, really has a sub third grade vocabulary. >> he attacked me some months as calling me sleazy adam schiff. now it is little adam schiff which seems better. >> would have preferred shifty schiff. clear, the president doesn't believe little comes a long way.
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speaking his own lingo. one day saying my iq is much higher than these people. >> i am nonbraggadocious. >> even a supporter can't keep a straight face. >> don't worry about it little marco. >> cnn jeanne moos. >> thank you for joining us, anderson is next. good evening, at the end of a full and harrow are day which included a record day on wall street. and president trump accusing of unamerican for not clapping. talking about the nunes memo on saturday, the president tweeted this memo vindicates trump and probe. no collusion and no
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