american. u.s. citizen in 2002. proud american immigrant in the best tech and science background. >> that's what they want, merit based, right? >> thank you for joining us. i'm christine romans. >> i'm dave briggs. new days starts right now. see you tomorrow. >> i'd love to see a shutdown if we don't get this taken care of. >> we're making real progress on a spending deal. >> i don't think we expect the budget deal to include specifics on the tkpwraeubgz reform. >> we're back in the ball game. >> where does the level of political discourse gone in this country? >> this is a different memo. >> the first one was very clean. this is a lot less clean. >> an enormous political price if he refuses to reveal the whole story. >> despite concerns from his lawyers, the president wants to

sit down with robert mueller. >> if i were the president's lawyer, i would tell them not to sit down with special counsel. the president has some difficulty with precision. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> joe biden rarely gets credit for being understated. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is your "new day". it is wednesday, february 7th, 6:00 in new york. here's our starting line. president trump said he welcomes another government shutdown if democrats won't tighten immigration laws. bipartisan negotiations on capitol hill are reportedly making headway for a long-term deal despite all that drama. the house did pass a short-term spending bill last night. senate leaders are not as excited about that prospect. while congress is wrestling for the government, president trump wants the pentagon to prepare a

grand military parade, tanks, marching soldiers, the things you normally see in north korea. it will cost millions but may cost more politically. >> the president is still weighing whether to declassify the democratic memo. the very leaders that he suggested cannot be trusted. and former vice president joe biden in an exclusive interview with cnn tells chris why president trump should avoid an interview with special counsel robert mueller. and biden reacts to mr. trump calling democrats who do not clap at his state of the union tr treasonous. >> reporter: in the senate, lawmakers seem close to getting a bipartisan deal on the budget and immigration done. it is the president and chief of staff john kelly who seem to be stirring up some controversy.

>> if we don't change it, let's have a shutdown. we'll do a shutdown. and it's worth it for our country. i'd love to see a shutdown if we don't get this taken down. >> reporter: despite the fact that at the same time, senate negotiators were touting bipartisan progress on a budget deal. >> i'm optimistic that very soon we will be able to reach an agreement. >> we are closer to an agreement than we've ever been. >> reporter: they do not including an immigration overhaul. press secretary sarah sanders left to clean up the president's remarks. >> i don't think we expect the budget deal to include specifics on immigration reform, but we want to get a tkaol done.

>> reporter: late tuesday, senator lindsey graham also indicating the senate may be making progress on immigration. >> i felt really bad yesterday. i feel better today. people i think have a way forward that seems to be fair to even. we're back in the ball game now. >> reporter: this coming amid back clash from the president's chief of staff about undocumented immigrants who did not sign up for the dreamers program but would be given a path to citizenship under the proposal. >> the difference between the 1.8 million people others were too afraid to sign up, some too lazy to get off their asses but they didn't sign up. >> reporter: kelly doubling down this a closed door meeting. the president is not leaning one way or the other about releasing the democratic rebuttal alleging

fbi surveillance abuses. >> this is a different memo than the first one. it is lengthier. it is different. >> it will be done in a responsible way. again, where the first one was clean relative to sources and methods, my initial thought is this is less clean. >> reporter: adding ultimately the president is waiting for a recommendation from the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and christopher wray, even though he ignored concerns about the memo last week. the president is also eager to hold a grand military parade in washington after praising france's bastille day last year. >> one of the greatest parades i've ever seen. >> reporter: he stresses the

planning is in its infancy. about the parade, it comes at a time when congress is dealing with spending concerns and also trying to deal with the budget deficit. and it's not cheap. the last time we did that was in 1991 after the gulf war. it cost about $8 million. so his desire for a parade might come up against some very practical budgetary concerns, alisyn and chris. >> and political buns as well. >> reporter: that's right. >> abby, thank you very much. joining us now is john avlon and editor at large. whatever his title is. everyone knows who you are. chris cillizza. once again, we see the president getting in his own way. calling for the parade, saying a shutdown -- let's have a shutdown. we never heard a president talk that but. but we're past that. >> we left normal a long time ago. >> is it okay in your mind that the lawmakers are not picking up

on his cues. they are not getting negatively reinforced by what he said. >> this is a civic stress test. the senate is doing its job by focusing on spwaubstance and cog up with a partisan deal. the president reverting to form being a divider. would love a military parade. it has little to do with governing and in contradiction about what he said a week ago. >> this is what we know the senate is doing. this is from the "washington post" and wall street journal. $800 billion -- >> $80 billion. >> $80 billion for military spending. $63 billion for nondefense spending. and once again we have up against the clock. it all has to be resolved by tomorrow night at midnight or there is a threat of a

government shutdown again. >> let's say it gets down today, alisyn. we will all celebrate they did it the day before they absolutely had to. it speaks to sort of how we govern from crisis to crisis and how even 24 hours before the absolute shutoff the lights date counts as a victory. what you see in those numbers is an attempt to bring enough conservative republicans on board with the defense spending to keep the government open. remember, this is not a way that government should fundamentally work. we should have an appropriations process. the bill should be approved there. it should be so the agencies can do long-termish planning. the way the government currently works, if they do agree on something today, it will be candidly a pretty large victory and somewhat unexpected.

i don't think the government is going to shut down again. but i don't make any predictions really anymore based on the unpredictability of the process and the guy sitting in the white house. >> yeah. there's still time to screw this up. >> the good news would be that it would be a two-year bill in terms of spending propositions. that would be the different than the last crs we have seen. >> there's no immigration included in it. all the human cry about immigration is not being addressed. >> that is probably a smart move for them. alisyn brings up the immigration debate. the chief of staff, who is supposed to be the balancing agent, didn't help yesterday when he was talking about how daca people dealt with that process. it was a shot at the dreamers. here it is. >> there are 690,000 official daca registrants and the

president sent of what amounts to be two and a half times that number to 1.8 million. the difference between 690 and 1.8 million were the people that some would say were too afraid to sign up, others would say are too lazy to get off their asses but they didn't sign up. >> is this just how he talks, his harshness, or a window of the negativity directed toward the people who are trying to get into this country? >> the issue, chris, i think is the context. we heard kelly and certainly donald trump make comments in the past that would suggest they have a certain view of people trying to get into the country. and i think that this is in keeping with that. now, he didn't say i believe that this is the reason. he said some people describe this as this, some people describe it as that. i didn't think john kelly, because of when he came in, he

had the narrative of he's going to clean things up, restrict access to trump. everything will get in order. some overlook the fact that donald trump picked john comy for a reason to run the department of home land security. he picked him for a reason to be his chief of staff. that is that they are, as we increasingly see, sympatico. >> how is this not a window into how john kelly feels? were there a million dreamers sitting around on the sofa eating bonbons because they're too lazy? if you say something like that, how is that not revealing how you think? >> a bit of south pwaurpb charm. it does reveal some of the voices in the white house.

he wants to call them dac kids. >> daca people. >> they are trying to at least get the outline of a deal done. senators will be the more adults in the room on this one. we're not looking for the president to play that role. if they have a broad outline along with the shutdown, they have to get the ball down the field. >> it just shows why bill of love was b.s. >> right. >> there are two very different mind sets about what these people represent. and i'll tell you, we've all been around people who aren't in the country illegally. i would nephew use the word lazy. that is not a word i would use. they have a level of desperation like no other. when it came to the nunes memo, fbi, bad. doj, bad.

no trust. but now with the democratic memo response, rosenstein, good. talk to rosenstein. the cave man mentality towards fear and promise is what we saw. they didn't like the doj with their memo because they wanted nothing to get in the way of that act of patriotism. but with the democrat you can memo, you have rosenstein, the guy who just a few days earlier the president was saying you figure out how i feel about him. he's up there and he wants him to help vet the democratic memo. what's going on? >> one confirms what he believes and one doesn't. the egg. donald trump was releasing the nunes memo to matter what, right? there are some people who tell me in that review period, i don't know. do you know anything about who the guy is?

donald trump believed what was in the nunes memo, sort of affirmed his longheld views that of course people in the fbi and the justice department -- >> they say it's going through the same process. the guy doesn't read it. says 100%. but now it's going through the same process. it is so obvious. >> he was always going to release the first memo. i think it is -- look. any normal politician would feel immense political pressure to -- >> to read the memo. >> the schiff memo too. yes, always read it. transparency is transparency. it passed unanimously. do i think they will release it? sure. there is nothing that i could be surprised by at this point. >> you can count on that. you have reached the tipping

point. we have seen that. >> john kelly keeps saying this memo is different. what he means is it's democratic. the goal has not been consistency and transparenctran. another day in washington. billy dilly. >> on my gosh, you worked it in as promised. >> that's strong. give him a moment. a smile. >> he promised to do that at our christmas party, and he just delivered. >> it's the little things. >> what does joe biden think of donald trump? here's a little taste. >> we say it was tongue and cheek. democrats can't take a joke. >> let me tell you, he's a joke. >> joe biden may have butter feelings because donald trump way surpassed him in terms of being someone we can't predict what he is going to say. but he has deep thoughts about

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all right. now an important interview for you to see, an exclusive with joe biden. we talked about his new book "promise me, dad ♪ . it is the most raw reckoning the vice president put out about the

journey as his political duties and his personal duties came into conflict. the former vp not holding back in this interview. he called president trump a joke in context as you'll see. but he had a lot to say about the state of play in washington, d.c., what's going wrong and what is needed to make it right. here's part one. >> what do you make of the state of political play between left and right with this nunes memo and now the democrat counter memo, the attacks on the department of justice? what do you make of it? >> well, look, it seems to me -- i've been around a long time. i got here during nixon's impeachment. and it was the republicans who stood up and insisted that the constitution be honored and the president behave consistent with the law. and it seems now, that it's all about -- everything with trump is about him and everything about him is what the republican

party seems to be focused on trying to protect. and so much is not happening. look, we are so incredibly well positioned to own the 21st century. and we're engaged in this race to the bottom in terms of how we treat one another, how we talk about one another how, you know, a guy i have great respect for is one of the leading conservative columnists, david brooks. he talks about this in srebl moral fabric. and it's being ripped apart. and it has real consequences for us. >> they say you're right. trump and the nunes memo, you're right. but what's tearing us apart is the russia investigation. they needed to do this because they exposed how wrong the russia probe is. they say that's the problem. do you agree? >> no. i don't agree at all. look, one of the things -- i've been around so long. i helped right the act that

everybody talks about. no one knows what fisa means. it means the ability to go into a court, tell a judge about something that is highly classified, knowing it doesn't have to come out in court, let him make the judgment in camera, about whether eye wiretap could be had or not had, et cetera. this whole thing is about getting the intelligence community accountable and have the confidence to tell a select group of men and women in the house and senate all that was going on. they, in turn, could use that information if they needed to in a court of law. that's all in jeopardy now. >> they say democrats jeopardized it. not just to devil's advocate. have you seen anything that gives you a reasonable concern that the fisa process was abused for political purposes? >> no, i haven't. i haven't seen anything that would suggest that. the whole idea about this steele

dossier, whether or not it was identified as the steele dossier, i'm told it was identified as partisan, number one. and number two, even if that -- there had to be more that was offered. because, look, every 90 days you have to go into court to renew this. in order to are new the ability to continue to wiretap this individual, you had to have evidence to show that the initial request is bearing some fruit. they covered him three times by four different people. and the fbi and in the -- in the justice department. and the republicans as well. so, i mean, it just seems to be such a -- it seems irresponsible. >> are you worried about the damage to the administration of justice? >> i do worry about damage. i worry about the full-throated attacks. i've been here for eight presidents. this is the first president to make an attack on the entirety

of the fbi. hoover was one person in the fbi. this was to discredit the fbi and his own justice department. you know, look, i spent a lot of time traveling around the world. what do you think they're thinking? this is doing everything putin ever wanted, sowing doubt about whether our justice is fair, sowing doubt there it is remotely consistent with our constitution. it's a disaster or. >> you think he should sit down with special counsel? >> if i were the president's lawyer, i would probably not to sit down with special counsel. >> why? >> because -- >> they subpoena you and you wind up in front of a grand jury without a lawyer. >> you're in a situation where the president has some difficulty with precision.

>> that is one of the most subtle things i've ever heard you say. one of the things i would worry about is him saying something that was just simply not true without him even planning to be disingenuous. >> you think he has that little control whether he tells the truth or not? >> i just marvel at some of the things he says and does. like, what, two days ago, be none who didn't stand up and clap for him was unamerican? &tre and treasonous. >> he said it was tongue in cheek. it was a joke. >> he is a joke. >> the president is a joke? >> yeah. people around him understand, what presidents say matter.

the world is listening. it matters what they say. and it's just amazing the outrageously inaccurate things the president says. >> when it comes to this probe, do you regret that your administration with president obama, of course, didn't blow the whistle on these russian efforts during the election? i got the calculation. but the idea that, well, senior mcconnell wouldn't come out and make it -- who cares what he wanted at the time. do you regret not saying more about this? >> well, i don't think -- i think if we would have said more about it, we would have further undermined the legitimacy of the process. we didn't have the information we had 15, 20 days after the election was all over. we didn't have hard data. we knew what was happening in terms of intercepting e-mails and the like. but we didn't have the whole picture. we knew that -- we believed that

one of the purposes of what russia was doing was to discredit the process, the whole process. so if we came out and looked like we were bigfooting the election a couple weeks before the election implying this is all about the russians trying to help defeat hillary clinton, then it would have just thrown into chaos. but if we knew what we knew in january it would have been a different story. there would have been much harder data. i'm a friend of mitch mcconnell. it would have been impartial for him to expose what's happening. >> are we headed down a very bad road, or do you think this ends well? >> look, when i -- when the president first got elected, i got heavily criticized for saying i hope he succeeds because america succeeds when

the president succeeds. i felt bemused thinking they were over the top gaffes. now i'm genuinely concerned. two things popped up. one is this naked nationalism that it's now us against them. as richard ho is ss says, three ways countries lose their ability to influence the world and power, one of which is an did y abdicating and this phony pop limp. the waugh in which the only reason you have a problem is because of the other. because of that immigrant, the minority or somebody else doing something to you. the president has spent the entire time he's been in office trying to divide the country instead of trying to unite the

country. i am more excited about the chances for america in the 21st century than i have been in my whole year. we have all the advanced researof universities where all the research comes out, venue khr c venture capitalists. what are we doing? we're not talking about any of the things that really matter. all he seems to do is try to undo everything president obama has done. >> what's interesting is the vice president doesn't believe donald trump can undo the legacy of president obama and joe biden. i have never seen anyone be unafraid. he waves him away personally in terms of do i worry about him come at me or anything. but what he is willing to do about it is is the open question. >> what does he say about that? >> he talks about it in the next

part. >> oh, i see. it's a tease. i'm just wondering, does he plan to speak out more? can you reveal that? >> i think you will start hearing more from him. characteristically the last administration fades. but there is nothing normal about this. and he is disgusted by what's happening down there. >> listen, it was very interesting to hear him say -- because this is the trajectory a lot of democrats are thinking. the gaffes, the things that the president said that are sort of outrageous. now to hear him saw that he has genuine deep concerns about this kind of language. i can't wait to see part two. >> you will. we have more of this exclusive interview with former vice president biden coming up. he will talk about what's going on with the daca struggle. what is the right deal for democrats to make. the big question, what is he going to do about all of this in 2020. >> i can't wait to hear that.

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in france, it was one of the greatest parades i have ever seen. it was military might. it was two hours. and i think a tremendous thing for france and the spirit of france. we may do something like that on july fourth in washington. >> after attending bastille day in paris, the president said he wanted something similar for the u.s. now they are looking into a

grand military parade in washington. admiral kirby, what do you think of the military parade in washington? >> i don't like it, not at all. this is not about showcasing our military. this is about the president showing off, his ego. that is an inappropriate use of time, talent and resources. the second thing is this is beneath us as a nation. we are the most powerful military on earth. we don't need to be parading our military hardware down pennsylvania avenue to show that to anybody. thirdly, i think it is a waste of resources. millions of dollars could be put to other better uses. operations, training, not to mention just taking care of our people. spouse education programs, that kind of thing. i think this is just a tremendously bad idea. >> so general, you were, i think, in iraq during the 1991 parade they had to celebrate the

unofficial end of the war back then. i guess that was president george h.w. bush. so odd they are having a parade while you're still out there fighting. that's sometimes the nature of things. what do you make of this? the counter argument is let's show off our greatness. we love our military. let's do what everybody else does. >> first of all, i was still in iraq. we were still in combat, post combat operations. i'll never forget i was in an operations center and one of our soldiers said, hey, they're having a parade back in the states with all the guys who fought over here, except for us. he said i would rather be in combat than marching down pennsylvania avenue. i did an informal twitter survey, very unscientific. it was about 100 to 0 in terms of soldiers, former military saying they don't want any part of these kind of parades. the reason for it, john is exactly right. there are resource issues,

implications for logistics. it would be extremely expensive. it would tear up the streets. you could get past all of those arguments and just say one thingment it's not who we are as a military. the united states has a different military culture. we do not portray ourselves walking down the streets. of instead, we do the parades on main street in the middle of idaho during the fourth of july with flags taped to kids's handlebars. that's the kind of parades we have. we don't have to portray military might because the world knows how strong we are. it is not part of our culture. it hasn't been since the military was founded in the 1700s. >> admiral kirby, now what? what does secretary of defense mattis do with this request. he said many times how much he wants to do this. so what does secretary of defense do when the president tells him to do something? >> they are most likely planning this. in fact, i think we have seen general dunford out in thailand

a few hours ago saying he has the request and they're working on the plan. they're going to come up with optionsment that's what they do. when the commander and chief says go march, they go march. it's a matter of how they structure it. it will be interesting to see what options they present to the president and the degree to which they try to walk this back a little bit. we're sort of talking like what date it is going to be, what avenue it will be down. i think the military leaders in the pentagon are trying to think how they can scope this in such a way that it isn't a waste of resources and being a little too grandiose for our boots. >> a special operator buddy of mine said we're all go, no show. that's the military. we will see what they do politically. general, let me get your sense from what we are seeing to this administration in terms of being there for the troops on the ground who are fighting around the world and what we have seen with recent visits. >> well, chris, you know, i'm

going to tie it to the parades. there is a great book called the centurians about the french, interestingly enough. it talks about their time fighting in algeria. the colonel said i wish france had two armies. one to fight our wars and one to march on the streets of paris. and i would sign up for the ones that fought the wars. there are 179 different countries special operators, conventional forces, ships at sea, aircraft doing preventive operations and strike attacks. all of those people are all over the world. the president has not visited t the. he has not seen the forces in the field. that's disappointing after a year of his administration.

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i'm kind of tired of this, chad. >> yeah. and so is everybody else across the eastern half of the country too. 700 flights already canceled. that is 10,000 flyers without an airplane right now. sit just building. snow moving into ohio, pennsylvania, upstate new york and new england. this weather is brought to you by jared, the galleria of jewelry. valentine's day seven days away. go out in the snow and get something. here's the snow from upstate new york. it changes back over to rain. there will be ice around as well. slick conditions this morning. a foot of snow upstate. great in the ski resorts where you would have been, alisyn, with the ski resort. the temperatures aren't as bad as they were when you were there for christmas. it was below zero when you were there. snow in the southeast. >> i like the rain. it washes away the ugly,

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president trump is weighing whether to make the democratic rebuttal to the nunes memo that alleges fbi surveillance abuses in a tweet attacking congressman adam schiff, the president also slammed former officials. little adam schiff, who is desperate to run for higher office, is one of the biggest liars and leakers in washington, right up there with comey, warner, brennan and clapper. adam leaves closed committee hearings to illegally leak confidential information. must be stopped. joining us now is one of those named in that tweet, cnn national security analyst and former director of national intelligence james clapper. he read the controversial dossier. he briefed then president-elect trump. thank you so much for being here. >> thanks, alisyn. >> you are one of the biggest

liars and leakers. >> i progressed from being a nazi to a choker at the hearing last may 8th. and political hack on veterans day, no less. and so being a leaker and liar, i guess -- actually, i think i'm in very good company with the likes of adam schiff and mark warner and jim comey and john brennan. >> but, i mean, is this all just the cost of doing business in washington? being called one of the biggest liars and leakers in washington, does this get to you? >> no, it doesn't. that in itself is kind of a sad commentary. i remember thinking when he tweeted out about sally yates and me choking at this hearing, had i showed up in the oval office in the last

administration and president obama commented, hey, you really choked on this hearing, i would have been devastated. now it doesn't seem to matter. that in itself is a sad commentary because this is normal now. that is part of the regrettable situation we find ourselves in where the discourse is so crude and so coarse, people are starting to be jaded toeult. >> i think what the president is referring to, if it's possible to get into his brain, is what you talked about. you were one of the people who saw the classified intel. you saw the documents in which some of the trump associates were unmasked. you were asked about that at the hearing. you wouldn't talk about that at open hearing. he suggested later that you leaked information, that you were one of the anonymous

sources. >> well, i didn't leak anything to the media. i did talk about what unmasked it. when you are engaged with a valid foreign target, that is a very important phrase, and there is reporting on it, and that person is identified as u.s. person 1, 2, or 3, you're going to understand the context of that, then there is a process for requesting the identity of the unmasking of that person. and i did describe the process at that hearing. i did not go into details about specific unmasking requests because that, of course, is classified. >> okay. so because you're one of the people who knows the intel, read

the dossier, what do you think of this devin nunes memo being released and the possibility of the democratic rebuttal being released? >> well, first is it reminds me of the old peggy lee song, and i'm dating myself. and it is demeaning and distinguishing the fbi, which is a magnificent organization. and the department of justice. from that standpoint, it's bad. there are all kinds of implications here in terms of sources of information. i'm perhaps being a lot more reticent about providing information to the bureau in the interest of sources and methods. foreign partners may become more reluctant.

so for all those reasons and others, i think this is really -- it's bad for the committee. you know, i was around when the two committees were stood up in the late '70s, house and senate. >> when they were formed? >> i'm sorry? >> you were in the intel community in the 1970s when they were created for their oversight role? >> right. exactly. and the general attitude of the members on both the committees, not 100% but mostly, is this is an important national responsibility, sacred public trust. it is unrelated to my home district, home state, or my party. what we have now is a far cry from that. and previous chairman mike rogers, now commentator for cnn, and ranking member rugesberger, they did things on a bipartisan basis. >> now what do you see? >> now the committee is

paralyzed with partisanship. it's completely dysfunctional. it is a sad thing to see what's happened to the tkphaoet. >> have they lost their ability in your mind to investigate and have oversight? >> i don't see how they can certainly do anything on a bipartisan basis. i think it was headed that way anyway in the house. the senate, there is still bipartisan ship there thanks to chairman burr and warner. but it is beyond help. >> you mean the house intel with chair devin nunes you don't think is capable of doing its job? >> i do not. not in the manner in which it was intended. not used as a political lever to do a drive-by shooting in the

interest of defending the white house. >> can you expound on what you mean by that? >> this is a hit job, more or less, to attack the fbi, department of justice. and by extension, the mueller investigation. i think the whole point here was to discredit all of this. of course that gives rise to the president's claim that he was completely vindicated, what he was not. the memo doesn't anything of the sort. >> it's ironic that devin nunes claims to be so concerned about bias at the fbi and intel community and yet he certainly seems to be aligned with the white house. so what to do about that? >> well, i don't know what to do about it. as long as he's chairman, i don't think that situati