interest of defending the white house. >> can you expound on what you mean by that? >> this is a hit job, more or less, to attack the fbi, department of justice. and by extension, the mueller investigation. i think the whole point here was to discredit all of this. of course that gives rise to the president's claim that he was completely vindicated, what he was not. the memo doesn't anything of the sort. >> it's ironic that devin nunes claims to be so concerned about bias at the fbi and intel community and yet he certainly seems to be aligned with the white house. so what to do about that? >> well, i don't know what to do about it. as long as he's chairman, i don't think that situation is

going to change. he is, in my view, an agent of the on white house. and certainly not interested in bipartisan oversight again in a manner in which the committees were intended. they're just not going to operate that way. >> james clapper, we appreciate your perspective. you have a unique one based on all of your experience. >> thanks, alisyn. >> thanks to our international viewers. for you kpb "news now" is next. >> certain changes that are going to have to get paid to take out certain sources and methods. >> it is very important to clear up the poisonous rhetoric. >> if the president wants a parade, i'm sure the military is trying to put one together. >> you have napoleon in the making here. >> a lot of people will take pride in the fact that we honor

our military. >> who is the rocket man now? >> the president steps in and makes it very difficult. >> if anybody is lazy, it is probably democrats who aren't getting to the table. >> they are callous and disrespectful. >> the lives of these kids shouldn't be bargained for anything. >> this is "new day", with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day". up first, president trump says he would welcome another federal government shutdown if democrats will not tighten immigration laws. this comes as the house passed a new short-term spending bill. senate leaders, though, are focused on a two-year budget deal while congress wrestles with funding the government, the president wants the pentagon to plan a grand military parade with tanks and marching soldiers. that could cost taxpayers millions of dollars. >> and certainly distract when they just have a day to get this deal done.

while the president is weighing whether to declassify the rebuttal to the gop memo alleging surveillance abuses, the white house says the president is going to rely on the recommendations of the fbi and the intelligence community. you have to remember, those are the very leaders whose strong add mow admissions about the gop memo, the president dismissed out of hand just last week. plus, we have an exclusive interview with joe biden. we haven't really heard the former vice president weigh in on the state of play, what he makes of this president and what he makes specifically of the battle over the dreamers. what deal does he think democrats should make? we have it all covered. let's begin with abby phillip at the white house. >> reporter: good morning, chris. today in the senate, it appears lawmakers are close to a bipartisan compromise on the budget and also on immigration. but it is the white house that is stirring up controversy. both president trump and his chief of staff, john kelly, making controversial comments

yesterday that do not appear to be helping matters. >> if we don't change it, let's have a shutdown. we'll do a shutdown. and it's worth it for our country. i'd love to see a shutdown if we don't get this stuff taken care of. >> reporter: president trump calling for another shutdown if democrats don't agree to his immigration demands. despite the fact that at the same time senate negotiators were touting bipartisan progress on a budget deal. >> i'm optimistic that very soon we'll be able to reach an agreement. >> we are closer to an agreement than we have ever been. >> senate negotiators have separated the budget from immigration entirely, a long-time republican goal. the current deal includes an increase in defense spending, alongside domestic spending the democrats have been calling for. press secretary sarah sanders left to clean up the president's remarks.

>> i don't think we expect the budget deal to include specifics on immigration reform, but we want to get a deal done. >> reporter: late tuesday, senator lindsey graham also indicating the senate may be making progress on immigration. >> i felt really bad yesterday. i feel better today. people i think have a way forward that seems to be fair to even. we're back in the ball game now. >> reporter: this coming amid back clash from the president's chief of staff about undocumented immigrants who did not sign up for the dreamers program but would be given a path to citizenship under the proposal. >> the difference between the 1.8 million people others were too afraid to sign up, some too lazy to get off their asses but they didn't sign up. >> reporter: kelly doubling down this a closed door meeting. the president is not leaning one way or the other about releasing the democratic rebuttal alleging fbi surveillance abuses. >> this is a different memo than the first one. it is lengthier. it is different. >> it will be done in a

responsible way. again, where the first one was clean relative to sources and methods, my initial thought is this is less clean. >> reporter: adding ultimately the president is waiting for a recommendation from the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and christopher wray, even though he ignored concerns about the memo last week. the president is also eager to hold a grand military parade in washington after praising france's bastille day last year. >> one of the greatest parades i've ever seen.

>> reporter: he stresses the planning is in its infancy. about the parade, it wouldn't be totally unprecedented. the last time it happened was 1991 at the end of the gulf war. it is pricey. it cost $8 million. a lot of men and women are still in harm's way. this is not the end of conflict for our armed forces right now, chris and alisyn. >> absolutely. we will get to that. thank you very much for all that reporting. let's discuss it with maggie haberman for the "new york times". >> good morning. >> deja vu all over again. we are talking about a government shutdown tomorrow at midnight is the deadline. the president seems to be comfortable this time. maybe he was last time also, playing the shutdown card. >> right. >> so he says we should do it. he's fine with it. >> this is another example i think of the president not rowing in the same direction as not only just his party but his

white house. i think his white house recognizes a shutdown is not good for anybody. his staff recognizes that. republicans do not want another shutdown. democrats clearly do not think they got what they wanted out of the last shutdown. the president has always privately said to people that a shutdown is not necessarily a bad thing for him. it could be a good thing for him. at one point when it looked like the tax bill may not go through, he was talking about it as a possible option for getting back at republicans. i'm not surprised to hear him say that. it's not in concert with any of the negotiations going on. and progress had been being made toward avoiding a shutdown. this simply doesn't help to get there. >> so his in ability to meat of the week. >> you said you liked it last time we said it. >> it just gets more and more true.

>> he didn't take time to think about what the metaphor, why we dismiss them in other countries? he just likes a parade. he thinks it would be cool for him to be at the front of one. and that is in you for him. >> he's been wanting to do this since his inauguration and he was talked out of. he wanted to do it because france had a cool sounding parade. that is not just a testament to france's military but allies who fought with france. it is different than what is being imagined here. whether he doesn't know or doesn't care, it's hard to say. i think it has been explained why it is culturally and economically that these parades do not take place in the u.s. as you noted in a previous

segment, they are tgter to the fourth of july and not a person. we will see if it happens. the difference now is it does seem to at least be in motion for how to consider it. it is not just him saying i would like one. >> when the commander in chief says i love a parade, bring me a parade. >> for me. >> then mattis and the white house i would imagine do have to spring into action. is that what's happening? >> i think it might be slow walking into action. look at the various options and see if there is a way to not scuttle it entirely, redirect it to a smaller goal. this is obviously not the first time he has had to deal with a request from the president that he did not feel was meeting certain standards. we'll see where this ends up. >> this lands on dunford's desk. >> that's right. >> as if he doesn't have enough to deal with. and he will have to do that. let me ask you on daca, the chief of staff, the leavening agent, winds up saying something that is ugly and hurtful. is it hurtful to the process?

is this part of their spin? was this intentional or did he get caught out there? >> i don't think this was intentional. he was saying what he thinks. there has always been a misconception, to your point about a leavening influence. there is a constant need to words moderating influence with moderate person. and john kelly certainly in his immigration politics is closer to the president's rhetoric than people on capitol hill and elsewhere have realized. they will say knowing him going back many years, he had always been pretty conservative. i don't think he ended it. i don't think it was an intentional thing. what he said is not helpful to the process. it will make it much harder for the democrats and mod rats in swing districts to be able to go forward working with the white house on certain issues. it is just a hurtful thing to say. it plays into some of the grocer

racist stereotypes of black and brown immigrants. i don't see how this is conducive to anything positiving. >> it is illuminate stphrg it is illuminating. >> thinks the dreamers are moochers. they're takers. they don't contribute. this is so different than the characterization at times the president has said. let's just remind people in case they missed it what john kelly said about daca. >> there are 690,000 official daca registrants and the president sent on over whatments to be two times that number to 1.8 million. the difference between 690 and 1.8 million were the people that some would say were too afraid to sign up, others would say that were too lazy to get off their asses, but they didn't sign up. >> that million discrepancies, they might be just sitting on

their asses on the sofas eating bonbons and they forget to sign up. no wonder it is hard to get a deal. >> one thing that has been confusing to advocates for a deal at least for the broader pool, kelly has appeared to be on various sides at various times. john kelly is not unlike his boss. one of the ways we have seen his rhetoric. the other is saying different things to different people depending on who he is with. there is no question if he has wanted a deal related to daca at various points, it was because this was an obstacle to other things and this was checking a box to get rid of a problem, not because he felt an emotional connection to this issue. the president, to your point, has expressed more of an emotional connection, when he is not saying other things on twitter. >> the starkest thing i have seen comports with what kelly is

saying. i don't know how he forgot his own lineage. no irish need apply. the president said bill of love. he never meant it. he said don't buy that dreamers stuff. all americans are dreamers. >> right. >> he wants to make them an us versus them. that's where they are on it. how they come out on it, we'll see. that is clearly their policy take on this. it's us versus them. >> look, the president, to your point, has been all over the place on various issues. i think he actually genuinely has been looking for a way out of the situation that the administration got him into to be clear.

they always go back to the more nationalist policy. this is no intention. again, for people who thought that john kelly was going to be, you know, a moderate force on this issue. >> right. >> that is not who he has been. >> next topic, the president and weather whether or not he will sit down with robert mueller. the president continues to say he wants to sit down. >> he was angry at our story yesterday. >> he was? >> i heard from several people. >> i'm surprised he hasn't responded to biden yet. >> he shouldn't go do that.

you wouldn't do it either. i think the president is of the belief that he can talk himself out of most situations. he repeatedly says there's nothing there. going forward and doing that. they are afraid he will unintentional get himself into a situation because he is, you know, to be generous, imprecise because he relies on hyperbole. it isn't necessarily because here's this thing that he is covering up. he might just steer himself down a bad course. >> and he will be sitting down with a group of men and women in all likelihood who he dispair acknowledged, disrespected. >> that's right. >> he is putting a lot of strain on the game. >> do you like that phrase also? >> that's good. we should use that again. >> maggie, thank you. great to have you here. all right. so a group of senators coming to the defense of the fbi. they have a message for the white house.

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the former vice president said their lives should not be used as a bargaining chip in exchange for the trump border wall. what deal does he think the democrats should make. here's part two of the interview. >> daca obviously matters, the executive order that came

through. do you think they should do a deal, save the dreamers, we'll give you the wall. would you do the deal? >> it depends on what they meant by the wall. >> he is going to want to say wall at the end of it. >> i don't care what the hell he says. that would be fine by me. but here's the point, the idea that we are losing 2 million young lives. these kids are americans. can you imagine at 2 years old, mom, don't take me across the rio grand. i don't want to go there. >> rule of law. >> rule of law is rule of equity. there is no equity in sending 2 million kids who have been here, 1.9 million for the pluck of their life, who didn't come voluntarily and are abiding by the laws and making great contributio contributions. >> they can only be guest workers. they will never be like you and

me. >> that's a gigantic mistake. we're the only country in the world that is able to have replacement workers, able to continue to grow. the rest of the world. we are so incredibly short-sighted. the american people have a heart. they overwhelmingly think the lives of these kids shouldn't be bargained for anything. just do it. either do it or don't do it. but don't bargain their lives for a wall or funding for a program. that is not the american way. >> so when they stand strong and not do this deal and see if the president is willing to pull the trigger on his own self-imposed deadline? should the democrats play it that way? >> the democrats have to make clear this is not a bargaining chip. it is inappropriate as a way to get more money from a, b, c, d. >> they sign onto the deal, vice president. >> i know. and it's always -- having served

for 36 years, i'm reluctant to go inside and negotiate. every time we had trouble in congress, i was the guy that got sent up. >> that's why i'm asking. >> i know the way i would have tried to negotiate it. but i'm not there. i'm outside. i'm not inside. i don't know where the elasticity is to make this. on the basic proposition that if you had a wall that provided a security that wasn't just an absolute waste of money being national technical ways to protect it and all of these kids had a path to citizenship, i would be inclined to do that. >> you would give trump the political victory in order to get the deal done. >> i don't care about his political victory. it's not how i view politics whether it's a personal victory or not. >> when you speak to the democrats now, this is going to be a big deal. they have to figure out very fundamental things. being anti-trump probably won't be enough. what is the challenge for your party? >> the challenge is for us to

step up and offer concrete answers, which we're doing. for example, when we talk about the plight of the working class, it is the cost of day care, cost for caring for your kid. there is no reason we can't have free education. there is a trillion dollars in loopholes for the wealthy and others. if you just eliminated one that cost $17 billion, i could put every single qualified kid in america who qualifies into community college for free. >> so an idea like this is a centrist idea.

you have to speak to the people that voted for president trump. your party is not moving to the center, mr. vice president. it is moving to the left. >> chris, you know me well. i don't want to correct you. my point is -- i don't think you have to choose between your heart and your soul. if you go back and look at my records 36 years, i was raised as one of the most liberal in the 36-year period. i'm the guy that spoke out on same-sex marriage. i take a back seat to being aggressive. i find no distinction between being aggressive and worrying about working class people. middleclass people. they are not inconsistent. to make the point in the last campaign, i went to a victory up in ohio, a ford factory. i started off and said, let me tell you something, we have to -- and i went on. i said here's the deal. every woman is entitled to make the same pay a man makes for the same job. all the blue collar guys went nuts.

you know why? they get to put four new tires on their car. they get to get a new faucet. they are able to make sure they pay their insurance. i said, look, it doesn't matter. it is none of your business who somebody marries. it is none of your business. 3,000 guys cheered. just don't tell them they have to live that lifestyle. and any man who raised his hand or a woman is a coward. these are the people i came from. not just me. almost everybody. middleclass folks who are decent, honorable. and the thing we have to do is start looking at them and acknowledging and treating them with dignity. it's the job they do that we have to begin to honor. anyway, it just drives me nuts. >> does drive him nuts. now, it will drive him to run? that is a very separate

proposition. >> what's the answer? >> we asked him. and i think we have to get to it right now. he is not going to give an answer right now. and it is too early. but he is not where he was emotionally. he'll never be the same. how could he be after losing his son on top of what he's lost already. but he's in a different place. >> a more open place? >> he has never seen anything like trump before. >> so he's more motivated. >> he's never been as concerned about it. he loves this poem and he and my father used to quote all the time. will hope and history rhyme for him. it will be the right timing. will he be the right guy. >> how old is joe biden? >> he is in his 70s, as he likes to say. he will be 77 years old when he runs. vitality, health, age is just a number. true. you and i talk about that all the time. you're now 31 years old. >> please. i try not to reveal that. >> he wants it. the question is how much. here's a little taste of that.

>> how do you not run for president. how do you not? it is is in your heart. sit in your head. you don't think anybody is better than you. you have never had a moment in history that called for leadership more. >> that's a tease. >> but i asked a little differently. he wound up giving a different answer, which will be interesting to listen to. it will come up in the 8:00 hour. >> can't wait to watch it. great interview. coming up, president trump wants a military parade. do members of congress agree? we have a democratic senator next. [ click, keyboard clacking ] [ click, keyboard clacking ] [ keyboard clacking ] [ click, keyboard clacking ]

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russian interference is real. just to protect the president from the investigation. we have nothing being done legislatively to protect the 2018 elections. >> that was democratic senator sheldon white house leading a

group of senators on the floor of the senate who want president trump to stop the smear campaign against the fbi. how did that effort go? he joins us now. good morning, senator. >> how are you, alisyn? >> i'm well. last night you did this. you were trying to get republicans's attention is and the white house attention. how did it go? >> well, i think we got a lot of people out there. and i think we made the point that this episode of the trump administration and group of supporters doesn't help anybody except vladimir putin. in fact, it sort of follows his lead, as john mccain pointed out. and it's also up to us to start pointing out that the republican majorities in the house and the senate have done virtually nothing to listen to the warnings of trump's own administration officials saying the russians are coming at us again in the 2018 elections. here's things we ought to be doing about it. let's get to work.

instead, we see the one thing we have done, which is the sanctions on putin and oligarchs passed 98-2. this was not a partisan vote. it was quashed in the white house sheltering putin again. this is not a good situation in any of those dimensions. we have to start moving beyond it. we tried to bring pressure on those points. >> i want to get to them in a moment. you say you were trying to make a point. okay. i guess that's one goal. but are you winning any republicans over to your side? >> that rephaeupbgs to be seen. i think we have, for instance, bipartisan support for a couple of bills that would protect special counsel. that would be a helpful step forward. i hope we can get chairman grassley to hold earrings on some of the legislation that we want to look at. he did on the title bill, which has effects on the putin regi regime's ability to mettle in american politics because it

would clamp down on the use of shell corporations, a known russian corruption and interference tool. so there are things that are going. but when you look at the 2018 elections rushing towards us, i don't sense the urgency. we are trying to ramp it up and make sure the republicans know we see it as a priority. >> back to those sanctions. there was this bipartisan effort to impose them. they were supposed to be implemented. the white house has not provided an explanation. this was a deterrent punch by tangling with the thing he cares most about, the himself and the oligarchs around him and the way they can use the west to hide their ill-gotten gains. that's where you really hurt the guy. he deserves a punch after what

he did in our 2016 elections. so you got the whole senate essentially agreeing with that. it is in explicable why the president would not go forward. >> you know, two days before the sanctions were supposed to be implemented, as you know, cia director mike pompeo met with two high-ranking senior russian officials. do you think there was a connection? >> i do not know. in his role, he will meet with officials and should. they need and deserve a punch in the nose for what they did in the 2016 elections and the sanction regime is the way to do that. we are also trying to work with them in other areas and to have that continued dialogue, intelligence professional to intelligence professional is not in and of itself a bad thing.

>> do you want to see a military parade in washington, d.c. for president trump? >> you know, i don't think it's a good look for us. i think a lot of world remembers the soviet may day parades. they still see the north korean military parades around pyongyang. i think a better look for us is a free, open, be and diverse democracy in which everybody gets their say. >> are you worried about the cost? have you gotten that far in your thinking about this military parade? because president trump does seem quite interested in it, so much so that the reporting is secretary mattis is trying to figure out how to do this. are you worried about the costs? >> we haven't seen a budget proposal for it yet. >> would you agree to give millions of dollars to this? >> like i said, i don't think it's a good look for our country.

john winthrop said the city should be on a hill with all the world's eyes upon it. i think they look at our city on a hill and see an echo of soviet may day parades and north korean military parades. that's not the best image for us. i think a vibrant and lively democracy is the best image out to the world. and i think that's what we represent to the world when we're at our best. >> senator sheldon white house, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> john winthrop reference. strong. spacex launching the world's most powerful rocket. talk about strong. the incredible moment that took place here on earth and what's going on right now in space. >> driving a tesla. >> somebody is. we will show you that person next. whoooo. looking for a hotel that fits... ...your budget?

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vice president mike pence said the u.s. is poised to announce the toughest economic sanctions ever against north korea. the vice president says the u.s. will continue to isolate the north until they abandon their nuclear program. pence right now is in tokyo. he's meeting with japan's prime minister abe before south korea's opening ceremony at the olympics.

steve wynn resigning amid allegations of sexual misconduct. they were laid out in a wall street journal investigation that cited dozens of sources. in a statement he said he could not continue to be effective as ceo when facing these allegations. >> have they given back the money that he raised for them? that's a key question. no answer yet. spacex celebrating the successful launch of the world's most powerful rocket. the company's falcon heavy blasted off from the kennedy space center in florida. no hitches. then for the first time ever, spacex guided two spacex rocket boosters back to earth and they landed upright on the pad. no small feat. ceo elon musk put his own personal roadster on top of the rocket as a test pay load complete with a dummy in a space

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points. changing direction 29 times before closing up 567 points or 2%. the nasdaq and the s&p 500 closed higher. a few things going on. rumblings in the bond market, wage inflation. ist is great for workers but bad for corporate profits. if it picks up too quickly, the federal reserve may need to raise faster than planned. that is bad for a 9-year-old bull market. wild swings are back. the fear gauge fell a bit. that's good. after surging 115% on monday. that was bad. but remember stocks are not the economy. even if stocks drop today, and it looks like they will a few hundred points on the open, conditions are still good. the economy is strong, economy is robust, and corporate earnings rising. >> as we know, that's a big gain down there on wall street where your friends are. we know they are gambling most of the time. christine romans, she hates it. >> i know she does. i know that.

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the difference between 690 and 1.8 million were the beam some would say were too afraid to seen up. others would say they're too lazy to get off their asses, but they didn't sign up. >> sources tell cnn democratic lawmakers confronted kelly about them. what does all this do to negotiating and how do dreamers feel about it?

joining us is democratic congressman gu ter raise and the advocacy director for united we dream, a group protecting dreamers. what did you think of john kelly's comments? >> he's really demonstrated a lack of understanding of the complexity of the legislation and the public policy. so i've learned that about him. it came with a lack of love -- >> you did not think it did? >> i didn't think so. many times what i have seen, alisyn, you can make up for the lack of understanding of the public policy if you have love, if you don't have a lack of love, if you don't have a lack of empathy. >> but does john kelly have that lack of empathy and love? >> he doesn't. that's my point.

the last time i talked to him and we were talking about temporary protective status, he said oh, luis, we have to figure out who the dead ones are and weed them out. i didn't say it, but i thought, mr. kelly you've got to sign up every year. he said we'll do criminal background checks. i said they go through criminal background checks every year. he didn't have an understanding of the policy. i knew that. he didn't have a lack of love. he demonstrated that because his boss says they're all criminals, basically and now he's saying they're all lazy. so it's really a sad situation because he was supposed to be the adult in the room. he's supposed to be that guiding, mitigating force, and he's not. >> so chris, what did you hear when he said that? >> i heard a bully. someone picking on people that are afraid, scared, younger than him and smaller than him and using the white house as a bully pulpit and to hurt people.

i think one thing he said was right, though, the fact that we're afraid. we're afraid because there's a 10-year-old girl, rosa maria from texas pulled from her hospital bed and into a detention center just because he was she was undocumented. we are afraid we've given the government our address, the places where our moms and dads live, and because of this administration we're afraid they're going to come after this. he's a bully. to him i say stop. bullies stop whenever you stand up to them. my message to general kelly is, you made this crisis happen. you can fix it right now. stop using bullying words and make sure you get to work. >> just to be clear, for the million people he was referring to that have not signed up for daca, why haven't they? >> i will say united we dream did a survey and found out exactly why. the costs are too high and we don't want to put our families at risk of i.c.e. agents coming

to our home addresses. >> you're scared and the cost is $500? >> $500 every two years for young people trying to go to college and help their parents. that is the statistics we know. anything outside of that is just people using bullying. >> you're on the front lines of this. you deal with dreamers every day. do you know any who are too lazy to get off their as? >> i know a lot that are like my little sister that just applied for daca. she saved all of her money and did babysitting jobs to make sure she was able to pay for it. i know that young people all across the country have been taking time away from home and here in washington, d.c. to fight for the dream act. we're not going to stop until we get protection. >> demonstrates again, alisyn, again, the chief of staff's lack of understanding of the policy. remember, daca is an executive order. so it's done strained and limited. that's what the lawyers did.

the dream act is very ample. it includes more people because the ages and the qualifications. that's wooi we want to go to the dream act. again, mr. kelly says they didn't sign up. i'm offering you 1.8 million people under the dream act that i proposed to the congress of the united states, it's 2.1 million people. it's really about who qualifies and how you draft the legislation, how full is the legislation and the ability for people to sign up. again, he demonstrates a lack of understanding. >> let's talk about that legislation. we're up against another government shutdown, tomorrow night at midnight. what the house plan is for the budget and continuing resolution and what the senate plan is, neither one addressed the dreamers. so where are you on that, congressman? >> here's where i'm at. there's a couple of words. in spanish, democrats are always using the word tomorrow, manana. they got that word down when it

comes to our immigrant community. republicans, nunca, never, never. between democrats saying mannian nah and the republicans saying never, we just don't get to a place that's fair. so they want to describe as some of this dark, horde, menacing to america. i wanted to come into this program and say i see a fellow american in her, a future congresswoman. you know what? that scares the living daylights out of them. i think that's representative of the future of america. >> what do you want the president to know? >> i want him to know that we're not backing down, and i want the american public to know that immigrant young people are fighting for our democracy and fighting to make sure each and every one of us is safe. we're not going to slow down. we are not going to ensure that our families are put in danger for a protection that would only benefit us.

to the american public, we shall overcome this moment and we are better than this. >> congressman gutierrez, greisa martinez rosas, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. we're following a lot of news. let's get right to it. >> i'd love to see a shutdown if we don't get this stuff taken care of. >> we're making real progress on a spending deal. >> i don't think we expect the budget deal to include specifics on immigration reform. >> we're back in the ball game now. >> people were too afraid to sign up. others too lazy to get off their asses. >> where has the level of political discourse gone in this country? >> this is a different memo, where the first one was very clean. this is a lot less clean. there would be an enormous political price if he refuses to reveal the whole story. >> despite concerns from his lawyers, the president still wants to sit down with robert mueller -- >> it's just amazing the inaccurate things the president says. >> it's in your heart, in your head. how do you not run for

president? >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." it's wednesday, february 7, 8:00 in the east. president trump saying he welcomes another government shutdown if democrats won't tighten immigration laws. the tone is bad, the timing worse. why? well, right now you have bipartisan negotiations going on on capitol hill. the deadline is tomorrow, and both sides say they are making headway. in the house, a short-term spending bill passed last night. senate leaders seem less enthusiastic about that. they want to see if they can get a two-year budget deal done that would have a big boost to military spending. >> as congress wrestles with funding the government, the president wants the pentagon to stage a grand military parade in washington with soldiers marching and tanks rolling. the show would cost millions to pull off. we have more of chris'