kardashian, gigi hadid, and d.j. khalid. the roses are not cheap. a single flower costs a mere $39. a box of 42, dave, will cost you $400. you don't have to send roses for an entire year. >> you're not off the hook. that's a great gesture for valentine's day, but you're not off the hook for the entire year, fellas. the process for the background was ongoing. the white house had not received any specific papers. >> the fbi submitted a completed background investigation in late july. >> when he went through the timeline you say, well, that's not what sarah sanders said. >> the white house is blaming its own personnel office. >> the president has confidence in his chief of staff. >> he has changed since he has fallen into the orb of the president. kind of sad for me. >> president trump's personal lawyer said he paid thousands of

his own money to a porn star who said she had an affair with mr. trump. >> a complaint was filed with the federal election commission. >> i don't know why they wanted to cover it up but they will have to clear it in a court of law. >> this is "new day" with chris quo know and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states around the world. it is wednesday, february 14th, 6:00 in new york. happy valentine's day. be ours. be ours. >> please. and send us chocolates. >> we are wearing red. this is close to me. it is maroon. i'll go with it. here is our starting line. digging a deeper hole. the famous love poem from sir walter scott rings true. oh, what a tangled web we stkaoef when fir weave when first we practice to deceive. i'm reading it.

eight days into the rob porter scandal, the white house has coughed up what they know and when they knew it. the new fbi director directly contradicting the tphaur active top trump aides have been spinning for days. the white house now trying to place blame somewhere else on its internal personnel security office. the president's embattled chief of staff, john kelly, remains in the eye of the storm. sources tell cnn conversations are heating up on what could replace kelly. who knows if that happens. certainly the handling of the porter scandal has not helped his cause with the president. cnn also learning porter was being considered for a promotion despite knowledge of these allegations of abuse. >> this is not the only crisis facing the white house. president trump's personal lawyer, michael cohen, said he

paid his own money to stormy daniels. cohen insists he was not reimbursed by the trump campaign or trump's business. as for policy, the immigration debate and the senate getting off to a rocky start arguing over how to even begin the process. this comes as a second federal judge blocks. abby phillips, you have your work cut out for you today. >> reporter: that's right, alisyn. blame is shifting again. day eight of the story of alleged abuse allegations by a top white house aide rob porter. it is contradicted in an instant by the fbi director's testimony before congress under oath that contradicted what the white house has been saying all of this time. now the pressure is being put on john kelly. rumors are heating up that he might be replaced soon.

the trump administration changing its story again about the white house's handling of domestic abuse allegations against former top aide rob port or. hours after chris wray. >> the fbi submitted a partial report on the investigation in question in march. and then a completed background investigation in late july that soon thereafter we received asks for follow-up inquiry. and we did the follow-up and provided that information in november. and that we administratively closed the file in january. and then earlier this month we received some additional information and passed that on as well. >> reporter: prior to wray's

testimony, the white house had been selling a very different story. >> what we know about rob porter specifically is that his background check investigation had not been completed yet. it was still in the investigative process and had yet to be a skwraodjudicateadju >> the process was ongoing. the white house had not received any specific papers regarding the completion of that background chemical. >> press secretary is sarah sanders now conceding the fbi probe was finished and trying to shift blame to a different office in the white house. >> please tell the truth. >> all right. well, as i said, the fbi portion was closed. the white house personnel security office, who is the one that makes the recommendation for adjudication had not made a recommendation to the white house. >> but on monday sanders specifically said the white house was not involved with security clearances.

>> this is a process that isn't -- doesn't operate within the white house. it is handled by law enforcement and the intelligence community. >> the in ability to get their story straight again raising questions about the future of chief of staff john kelly who learned about the allegations months ago. multiple sources say the press has not yet made a decision to replace kelly. kelly telling t"the wall street journal" his handling was all done right. even after sarah sanders admitted otherwise. >> we're looking at that internally and agree there are things we could have done better. >> cnn learned not only was the white house willing to overlook red flags in porter's background, they were in serious talks of promoting him to be kelly's deputy chief of staff. >> do you believe rob porter's ex-wives? >> thank you very much.

>> thank you. >> reporter: well, in addition to all of this, there is the issue of the $130,000 payment that the president's personal lawyer, michael cohen paid to stormy daniels. he only reason told the president about that payment. it is worth remembering that the white house has been saying this has been asked and answered during the campaign. we know that payment did in fact, happen. >> look, abby, that last point is the right one. people want to say why don't you talk about the big policy things? because these things get in the way. they're mishandled, misspoken and mistaken. let us bring in karoun demirjian and david gregory. happy valentine's day to you.

david especially. you were talking about this yesterday. dispalestinian with message. figuring this out. from the beginning they wanted to hide the fact that they had reason to be suspicious and negative on porter but didn't act on it. everything since then is, again, back to the walter scott poem, part of the tangled web. >> yeah. some problems here to christopher wray, head of the fbi, for standing up to independence and that institution. acting with some independence and maturity and respect for independence of the fbi, who is telling it like it is. not going out of the way to hurt the white house, but facts are damning because it is quite clear that enough people in the white house knew there was a problem with mr. porter, who, you know, who -- again, i think it's worth pointing out because it's fair. sterling reputation.

has a lot on of friends inside this town, inside politics and without. people i have talked to who are so surprised by this. nevertheless, important information was passed along and was not acted on. and if they knew back in january, they first knew of on allegations going back farther yet, they were not acting in a way where they really want to get to the bottom of it. they were listen to go his denials, believes in him, be and even talking about promotion reportedly and getting in the way of really getting to the bottom of what was happening. >> karoun, it was cast nating listening to director wray. all including the allegations of his ex-wife in abuse. what sarah sanders seems to be doing is hanging her hat on the office of personnel, technically the ones that make the decision about security clearances for who can work in the white house.

they hadn't completed their report yet. so that she's using for cover as like, well, we couldn't have acted. he was being considered, that rob porter was being considered for the deputy chief of staff, who is the one who approves security clearances. he would have been approving his own security clearance. all of it is tangled. >> incredibly tangled. let's start out by the fact that sarah sanders said this is a white house personnel office. to say it is not at all connect canned to the white house it stretches a little bit of the imagination of where does the buck stop. there is no sentiment coming from anybody out of the white house here. that is frankly part of the problem and why it is such a glaring management problem. people are saying these things are my especially if you are talking about somebody who may be promoted to deputy chief of staff, you would expect to hear

a higher official say if i didn't know this i should have. it is a series of finger pointings that other offices that could have easily have been in touch with others who oversee. before that it was the fbi. this isn't the first time you have had sentiments out of the white house where they would have expected the fbi to follow into a more local line. that is a term used with former fbi director. wray is sticking up for the integrity of his agency and not playing that game when he is testifying to congress. >> here's the other problem. this is not some assembly line process here where, you know, a department 4f has an issue with employee. this is a guy who had a high profi profile, really well liked. great credentials. thought of quite highly by the chief of staff, by the

president, apparently dating a senior adviser to the president there at the beginning. he has a high profile. and you have a girlfriend who is complaining to the white house counsel saying certain things were happening. and he turns around and says i think you ought to leave. there's lots going on around rob porter. and then the accusations are made that are being investigated that are very serious that are more than just, wow, someone says this. he denies it. no. there is eventually photographs. but you have two separate women, ex-wives, making the accusations as part of the background check policy. it is abundantly clear it wasn't taken seriously. >> and there is a finger pointing game. looking for somebody else to take the blame, the fall, when the fbi doesn't play your game, you go to the would you say personnel office as if that has no connection to the rest of the white house. you would expect the opposite. when you're talking about a management culture that takes

full responsibility for things that happened under its watch. none of that is happening right now. >> where is general john kelly? given his background is and everything he represents he wants to wait in the shadows? >> how banged up is he, by this, david? can he really go? can trump really afford to cast off another high-profile person? and even if he did, who would replace him? >> i think there are names that could replace him. i don't know that he can go. i don't think the president wants to have him go. i think it's shocking that a guy who was supposed to bring in order and who was a general shouldn't be questioned can't stand up ask and say here's what we did right. here's what we did hideously wrong. apparently he didn't feel that way. the president will have to take his lumps. be clear, this white house, this press-hating white house has

leaked six ways from sunday they're not happy and he's looking for replacements. this doesn't happen by accident. >> this is a white house that really likes to protect its own. we have seen trump protect people close to him. we still haven't heard the president say anything about pwaoufbg abuse, about these women in particular. it's not that different. what you are seeing from the chief of staff, liked rob porter. was protecting his own. even if this was coming before him in the white house. this is a person not just in this crisis, not just in this episode for the white house but it has happened before. and we've seen it i guess not stretched out this long. they have been better at protecting in the past and doing so more consistently. >> and it won't go away because of what you just said. this is domestic violence. use a big deal. the president has to own that. i know he doesn't like it. too bad.

it won't go away. >> very quickly, we need to talk about what michael cohen said about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. he said in a private transaction in 2016, i used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130 to ms. stephanie clifford. neither the trump administration nor the trump campaign was a party to the transaction with miss khrfrd, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly. talk about devotion. either michael cohen was having the affair or on he is really taking one for the team here. >> to state the obvious, i'm left a little skeptical to believe that he was really on the hook for this.

this is embarrassing in and of itself. it would be worse if this were money diverted out of a campaign to do it. but really there was no kind of compensation or reimbursement that he received in some fashion to do this. it seems to me there is more to this. >> well, here's the thing. you've got to prove it, right? there is no question that everything in the response checks boxes legally. and that is his concern. that is the function of the complaint. he can't prove the nonexistence of a fact, that he wasn't reimbursed. you would have to show that he was reimbursed, that he was an in-kind contribution. that is going to be the tough legal ground for none who wants to question this. michael cohen is well aware that on paper this is hard to believe. this is something you need to hear somebody say and own and answer the questions about it. but, you know, they say they

have paperwork that shows which account the money came out of. >> okay. >> that it was his. that this was transacted not because she had an affair with the president but because regardless of the truth, the story would have hurt trump. it was right around the "access hollywood" tape time. and he did this to help mr. trump without mr. trump's knowledge. >> out of the goodness of his own heart. >> no. he protects trump. that's what he says. he does this. he's done other things like this. karo karoun? >> the shrewdness of his wallet, not out of the goodness of his heart. this is the least troubling thing we're talking about this week right now and we are focusing on the details, for good reasons. he is threading the needle. >> we saw the rent roll things. if this is true, that was just

bad reporting and highly suggestive of an outcome that wasn't true. again, this is his statement. i think at some point he has to come on out and own it. this is only as good as the person's rationale. >> we will see if he we hear from him. david, karoun, thank you very much. this scandal exposing another crisis. dozens of staffers working without full security clearance. what the top intel leaders are saying about this next. this is the story of green mountain coffee roasters dark magic told in the time it takes to brew your cup. first, we head to vermont. and go to our coffee shop. and meet dave. hey. why is dark magic so spell-bindingly good, he asks? let me show you. let's go. so we climb. hike. see a bear. woah. reach the top. dave says dark magic is a bold blend of coffee with rich flavors of uganda, sumatra, colombia and other parts of south america. like these mountains, each amazing on their own. but together? magical. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. green mountain coffee roasters packed with goodness.

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he did not skwr full security clearance. and there is a backlog waiting to be done for the white house for people already working inside. joining us is phil mudd and jen socky. jennifer worked in the obama white house. phil mudd worked at the fbi. jen, how is it possible that rob porter, who had access, i assume, to classified information. he was the liaison between the paper that ended up on the president's desk. so he saw whatever he was delivering to the president. how could he not have had security clearance and been doing that? >> alisyn, the explanation just before yesterday doesn't pass the smell test to me. the personnel security office ultimately is a group of career officials who report to the deputy chief of staff, which is a very senior high-level position with an office in the west wing. >> okay. let me just stop you there.

the office of presidential personnel, that's who sarah sanders, the press secretary, said they were waiting for the security clearance from the office of personnel. so does that work that they weren't done? the office of presidential personnel wasn't done with their investigation into porter? >> that is assuming that all of on us believe that they wouldn't flag for the deputy chief of staff that the very senior high-level official giving the president of the united states briefings on a daily basis had been abusive of two of his ex-wives.

the executive gets to decide who sees classified information and who does not however they feel about it. so how would you change the system? >> very simple fix. let's go back to when the fbi director said they passed the final final to the white house july of last year. the man has interim clearance. the issue here, chris, is the

one question here, why couldn't they close the clearance? i assume there was something in the file that's really nasty. maybe the information as to the two ex-wives. is there a standard as coats testifying yesterday said we will shut this one down. this person is not getting a clearance. why sit there and say we still can't a adjudicate an expedited case, a senior white house official. that ought to take two weeks. we can't a adjudicate it because we are sitting on a firecracker. they say if we can't close it, shut it out. >> i don't know if you remember this but during the 2016 election there was a lot of talk about hillary clinton's mishandling of classified information. >> it's ringing a bell, alisyn. >> is it okay that rob porter was handling classified information? >> that is the thrust of the contradiction here, alisyn.

you have dozens of people in the white house who don't have security clearance. this is a president and a white house many who spoke on the record critical of handling secure information by hillary clinton, by other officials. on obviously it should be taken seriously regardless of party. this is not a normal number of people with spweur eupl securin security clearance that it is raising this level of red flags with the fbi and with the personnel office. >> well, look. again, phil, this winds up becoming a frustrating conversation. when it was dealing with hillary clinton or dealing with military members who got nailed for classified information, they were giving it to people who weren't cleared to the see it. >> not with hillary clinton. on her e-mail she was sending it to people with security

clearances. i'm saying i agree with you. the end run here is technically, technically, again, the white house can't be built of that because they get to decide who has the experience ultimately. even though you don't have it procedural, the fbi hasn't given the right requisite process b.s., whatever. i, as president of the united states can say, no, you're good. >> why didn't he is say you're good? >> they're going to say functionally i did. but they will say the power resides in me, phil. so if i want you to see it, you can. >> let be be clear. we are confusing between security and judgment. either case i would argue khraoergt clinton or what is happening now is judgment cases. hillary clinton had more excuses than i had ties. the american people stepped back and said we don't know what

happened on security issue. we don't trust her. we could give the person clearance after seeing what the fbi says. the judgment to give someone continued access after you know what happened presumably or allegedly with his wives, judgment says you can't do that. >> i'm not saying he was going to judge. the judgment issue, the hypocrisy of it, these people said they were going to drain the swamp and they have filled it with the largest, toothiest alligators we have seen in our lives, stands out as clear hypocrisy. jen, phil, thank you so much. your face tells the entire story. >> happy valentine's day, brother. >> to you as well. i appreciate the card and the perfume. >> and the chocolate. >> shaun white. >> he makes his own perfume. >> does he? >> shaun white made history

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all right. we've been waiting for this big debate that's supposed to begin in the senate. it's supposed to be the immigration debate today. and i'm qualifying it because we don't know what's going to happen. for two days, democrats and republicans have been arguing how to start the process, something they only do in washington. they only have until the end of the week because of self-imposed march 5 deadline by trump. let's bring in karoun demirjian and david gregory. of course, david, the end of this week is not march 5. even i know that.

>> isn't it mitch mccobble who said i will give it a week. >> right. so what's your problem? how good is he going to make on that promise? and that promise from jump was only only half the equation. i think actually you brought that up when we first heard it. that's only half the congress. i went to school house rock. she was right. paul ryan didn't make the same promise. where do things stand, david? >> it seems they are focusing on a lot of matters that are ultimately poise pills. legislation where they will not get con senn tuesday. democrats want to hurry up and not prolong the debate. they want to focus on just a stand-alone bill for the dreamers and moving on to border security which republicans aren't on board with and republicans as well. this breaks down over this idea how to extend immigration privileges to family members, who owe on phopponents call cha

migration. the reaction now is a bit muddled. there is breathing room because the judge said the president has the right to end the dhaka program. it may not end march 5th. i think in the end it has to be a bigger deal. and i think the president has to be able to walk away claiming victory over border security in exchange for this pathway to citizenship for dreamers. >> karoun, there are a couple of bipartisan proposals bouncing around out there. is it your sense any could get 60 votes in the senate? >> well, not until each party coalesces around what it wants. and i don't think democrats have hit on what is their preferred position given which are likely to come to the floor. this is artificial in many ways. the fact that you would take something as bohemw ot behemoth.

and then the march 5th deadline, trying to add some pressure. he is trying to drum it up more on twitter too. that is false too because of the court on decisions that keep pushing that out at least temporarily. so you have the situation where, yeah, as david was saying, the fundamental push and pull of the dreamers versus border security. you will have to marry the two of those to get them across the finish line. and all of these bipartisan proposals do address that. democrats say, no, we won't let you get onto that because it doesn't address dreamers. it is almost disingenuous to say each are sticking to its opening decisions as they inch towards the bipartisan proposals. that is not the way immigration reform has been done in the past

when it's been successful. >> it's not really reform. that's part of the sticking point. >> that's true. >> and i think you make an interesting point. it seems to be the problem is not understanding where each side starts. the democrats, for instance, david, please, karoun, correct me if it's a wrong assertion. i don't think the democrats have articulated what their bedrock principle and firm stand will be. dianne feinstein said in the meeting it seems like a million years ago, what awe great beginning of bipartisanship. why not a clean deal on daca? the president said, i'm good with that. then we will move on to other things. do you remember that? >> and kevin mccarthy said, whoa, whoa, he whoa. >> that's an interesting thing to remember. since then, where are the democrats willing to say no, we're not doing anything if you don't do that? we don't know what that is for

them. on the republican side, their fear seems to be ownership and people remembering the last time we had this dance the dream act the republicans refused with their filibuster margin to let the act go through. do you think we know where each party is in terms of what they have to have? >> i would say most generally it's the -- the democrats are insisting on the dreamers. the republicans are going to insist on wall funding plus. i don't think it's even as simple as that. i think it's this issue of chain migration, how family members get in. there will be to be a negotiation. what's false about the debate is that mcconnell is saying, look, let's talk about it. they're not really talking about that which they will ultimately agree on, which is how we know business gets done and is brought to the floor. it's not like people will be persuaded by speeches on the floor. this has been an ongoing negotiation for years on some of

these tough issues. >> karoun, there is a second federal judge who blocked the president's plan to end the daca program. the judge has called -- the way the president plans to end it is arbitrary and capricious. so they do have a little bit more breathing room. i don't know if mitch mcconnell knows that but they have more breathing room if that's the sticking point to getting this right. >> yeah. you need to apply some pressure to get things done. but they definitely have more time to talk about, the march 5th deadline. it is a bit arbitrary because you have court decisions or the stays the court is putting on that will stretch that out on. that does give people more time to figure out what their positions are. it also gives more time for things to shift. david is right. this will take you the most debate that will lead to consensus if that's possible. not the categories of whether

it's the visa lottery, family reunification. that will be a big thing. even in the last 24 hours, we have seen shifts. democrats want to preserve as much of that as they can. republicans seem opposed. except you had the chamber of commerce say don't get rid of it. they are not static. they are changing. you might see more to let you reach consensus or it makes it more complicated. it depends. >> okay. we shall stay tuned. thank you very much. imagine seeing this outside mid flight. oh, boy. i don't like seeing that. >> no, you do not. >> no, i don't. this happened during a united airlines flight. the terrifying moments from passengers on video. and passengers who said they did not think they would survive this. the full story next. yep, we've got a mouth breather. well just put on a breathe right strip and... pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more

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hospital. the woman with him seriously hurt but expected to survive. a second group of stranded climbers also rescued in the same area. >> okay. there was this midair scare for passengers on board a united airlines flight. take a look at this. this is the plane's right engine. the cover blew off right while the plane was flying over the pacific ocean from san francisco to hawaii. >> brace, brace, brace. >> i don't like hearing that. he they urged patterns to keep their heads down and brace for impact. one man on board was taking this cell phone video. he seems awfully calm at the moment. he was showing how shaky the flight was for 40 minutes. >> were they saying brace, brace

or pray, pray. one woman capturing the flight on her cell phone. she is seen mouthing the words, i love you. passengers and crew erupt into applause. the plane landing safely in honolulu. this woman couldn't believe she made it out alive. >> you could see everybody's faces. they were squared. the stewardesses were amazing. they came around and helped everybody. >> none of the passengers or crew was hurt. an investigation is under way. this is a very helpful story for me. what would happen if you're over the ocean? what happens if something bad happens over the ocean? >> what do you think happens? >> i think the plane plummets into the ocean.

but it doesn't, apparently. >> it is whether you have enough time to get somewhere safe. >> if you're flying to hawaii -- >> you're in a tough spot. >> yes, you do. i'm happy to know the plane can fly another 40 minutes after the engine blow stpwhrs that is good news. there is another engine. the crew kept their head and they made it safely. that will stay with them for a long time. all right. on the matter of prying for forgiveness, evangelicals have been solidly in approximate president trump's corner. this surprises a lot of people of faith. why do they seem so willing to give donald trump a pass on so much, including allegations of sexual assault and defending men accused of it? we'll talk to the author of a book on mr. trump's spiritual journey, next.

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brave, and a light unto all nation stpwhrs that was president trump speaking at the national prayer breakfast. evangelical christians overwhelmingly supported him even knowing about his character and act is assess hollywood and now sleeping with an adult film actress. what is the standard of approval by that community? joining us is the christian broadcasting network david brody author of "the faith of donald adjustment trump" about the president's spiritual journey. i have it in my lap. let's deconstruct it. how do you cast president trump as a moral authority and man of god? >> well, first of all, it's not necessarily we are saying with those words necessarily. we're taking other folks, journalistically through the book, whether it be a lot of folks, spiritual advisers that have been close to him throughout the last few years.

he is on a spiritual journey. a lot of stories in the book tell the other side of the story. to use a division analogy, if you will, if there is a 25-second sound bite, we have heard the 11 seconds of russia and all the other stuff. this is the other 14 seconds. this is the other part of the sound bite that gives you a full picture. walter cronkite said you have to get both sides of the story. this book gives the other side of the story. >> what is the other side of the story? look, you may say it's not what it's trying to do. there is balance, whatever. at the end of the day, the book is making the suggestion that president trump is on a spiritual journey, he's a man of faith. >> definitely a spiritual journey. it is not called the saint hood of donald trump. first of all, stories of the book will show a relational aspect he has with evangelical leaders just by themselves.

we can go into other things. for example, once again, these are relational stories in the book. james robson is a tell aoe van gellist. they are praying in the suv, on the campaign trail. trump hugs him and says i love you so much. i really love you. that is probably breaking news right there. we have heard many times where he said i'm sorry. there are stories in the book about that. all of this other part that you never hear about donald trump. beyond that, there are spiritual advisers close to him saying he seeks them for prayer. and we go through it in the book. you don't hear about any of these stories is. we thought it was important to tell. >> the question is how much is really a measure of this man, or are you just giving a low bar. it seems the evangelical community prizes belief and behavior that this president does not and has never

exhibited. how do you overcome what he says about people, what he expresses in terms of a lack of compassion for people. a man who says he's never had to ask god for forgiveness. i have never heard that from any person of faith in my life. the allegations of the "access hollywood" tape. how does the community give him so much. >> on forgiveness. i talked to donald trump on his golf course. i asked that same question. he said i do ask for forgiveness. you have to look it up. you can google it. >> he also said, no, because i have never needed forgiveness for everything. >> he talks about communion. i don't want to get into that. >> do you believe he goes to church regularly? >> he well, he goes to church. let me tell you this -- >> we certainly do you have the sunday church cams we used to have. >> he can come on and defend himself on his church

attendance. >> you set yourself up for this by doing the book. that's why i'm asking the questions. >> when it comes to evangelicals, they are looking at man sins. women sin. we all sin. they go to the macro sin. they believe there is morality in the macro view rather than the micro view of the candidate. >> at the end of the day it is not what you say, it is what you do. do you believe as an evangelical that donald trump represents what you want to see is in a leader? >> to show god has a sense of humor, he decided to, out of all people, evangelicals get behind donald trump and he becomes this cultural warrior. that proves god has a sense of humor. we interviewed the president in the oval office. sorry, michael wolff. we did the