yeah. but how can you look at this society and compare us to other societies? diverse societies, societies that are open, and say, we alone, you know, our people who are mentally ill, they use guns. why is that? it's because there's access to guns. and so, it's just, at this stage, you have to think i'm stupid to not see the numbers. i see the numbers. so, the reality of it. and i'm not naive. i know gun legislation, banning the weapons won't make unicorns and rainbows everywhere. but i do know that any layer defense system would be idiotic. but to take into account the mechanism by which all these people are killing innocent victims quickly. it's quickly. las vegas, today, you name it, newtown. sorry. >> i asked you to say it.

listen, you are a very steady and smart security analyst. most of the things you predict, this, the russian investigation, has turned out to be true, right on. i could sense the emotion, if you're a parent and you have a teenager, we want to hear that from you. cedric, thank you. juli juliette, i hope the next time we meet it's better circumstances. this is cnn, i'm don lemon. just past midnight here. live from new york. live with the breaking news. the terrible news, 17 people shot to death today at a high school in parkland, florida. five people hospitalized, life-threatening condition. ten more, nonlife threatening conditioning. here's what law enforcement forces are saying. they say the weapon used to kill the 17 people was an ar-15 style

firea firearm. sources say the suspect pulled the fire alarm to get his suspects out of the classrooms. a lot of details to cover. i want to get to martin savage at the scene. as well as keon roi. martin, some fighting for their lives right now. >> reporter: we're told by medical authorities, that is the case. right now, the focus for law enforcement is identifying all those that were killed. they are far along in that process. they said three hours ago, they had identified the 12 victims found inside of the school. we also know there's three other victims outside on the school

grounds. of course, there were two other victims that died after they were transported to hospital. note if notifying next of kin is painful. they identified the suspect, 19-year-old nikolas cruz. he has his first court appearance later this morning. trying to figure out why, the next step after figuring out the dead. broward county put out a breakdown of what they know so far. it was just before the end of the school wrapping up today. they got reports of an active shooter. there were hundreds of students that were pouring out of the school building. it was during that exodus that the gunman did conceal himself in that crowd. that's how he was able to get off of the school property. the way they were able to identify nikolas cruz was by

surveillance video in the school. they saw him carrying out and moving within the building. they were able to put a face to a name. and then, they were able to eventually find him in a nearby neighborhood in coral springs. and when authorities tracked him down, he had labored breathing. he was breathing hard. he was transported to a hospital. he was checked out medically. he was given the okay and in custody and we mentioned the arraignme arraignment. those are the cold-hearted, solid facts. listen to what it was like inside in that school. >> holy. [ gunfire ] >> oh, my god. [ screaming ] >> the sound of the weaponry, as you pointed out several times, don, is shocking. the natural sound of people reacting to it is sickening.

once again, we're confronted with a massive killing on a school property. i should point out here that the gunman was taken alive. that's unusual. most of these cases, those that carry out these deeds usually end their own life. but investigators say he is cooperating with them. he is telling them at least part of why he did with what he did. authorities are looking at social media. it's pretty clear there were indications this may have been in the offing. they wondered why others didn't come forward ahead of time. that's going to be a key question as we move in the morning hours. >> going to speak more about that with shimon coming up here. martin, i appreciate that again. your words are right. the sheriff said they identified the suspect through security camera video. next time he will be in court thursday morning, 9:30. live from the nearby hospital where victims are being treated. what can you tell us? >> this is the hospital that's closest to the school, where

marty is at. a total of 17 patients, don, respected to some of the local hospitals. of the 17, 5 are fighting for their lives. they have what is being described by hospital personnel is life-threatening injuries. ten have non-life threatening injuries. two of the patients brought to this hospital, they didn't make it. we don't know if they're students. we don't know if they're tu teachers. we are learning the numbers. the suspect was transported here. he was treated and released to police custody. don? >> the governor was at the hospital a short time ago, trying to comfort people. it's a familiar role. he had to do it for other shootings. what did he say? >> perhaps the pulse shooting is the one that is spectacularly

memorable because it was such a large and heartbreaking shooting here in this state. what the governor did here within the last hour or so, and he spoke to the press, he went through and he thanked the medical staff and he thanked the doctors, the nurses who tried to help these patients, as they were flooding into this emergency room. then, he spoke with a few families. and he said this was a tragedy. he tried to speak to the fears, directly the fears of the parents in this country. here's what he said. >> i think about my -- i have six grandsons now. and the eldest is 6, going to school. i talked to my daughter today, i'm sure every parent is doing the same thing. is my child going to a safe school? i know our law enforcement is going to continue to do everything they can to keep every child in our state safe. we're going to figure out how we

learn from this to hopefully try to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> that idea of learning and preventing the next thing from happening again, if all of that sounds very familiar it's because he said almost the exact same thing after the pulse shooting. that was june of 2016. and here we are again. don? >> here we are again, kyung. let's bring in shimon. you have been speaking to law enforcement sources all day. you have information about the weapon. what do you know? >> that's right, don. we were told by officials that were briefed that the shooter purchased this weapon, this ar-15, that investigators have been able to do a trace, that he purchased it sometime in the last year. he purchased it in florida.

he passed a background check. he filled out the required farms. there was nothing to stop them from selling this weapon to him. >> investigators are looking at his social media, as well. >> certainly, don. this is playing a key role in this investigation. and the sheriff, pretty early on, there was evidence that the police were able to find his social media profile. here, we've blurred some of the images because they're pretty horrific. he's on there, showing pictures of guns, taking various photos of himself with different weapons. he talks about shootings and killings and hurting law enforcement. so, all of this came to the police. once they identified him, they did a search of social media and they were able to clearly find this and really raising the question of why didn't anyone come to them and raise issues with this. saying to them, you've got this guy on the internet that's

posting these things. certainly, his friends. there are family obviously. people at the school, there was a fascination with guns. all of these things were playing into this idea of what was going on. why didn't anyone come to the police? >> shimon, thank you. all good questions. joining me now, cnn political analyst, ryan liz sa. and david jolly, former remember congressman from florida. ryan this, massacre that was committed in florida today, all-too common in the united states. how often have we been discussing similar ones? why do you think these mass shoots like this, why is this an american problem? >> the answer is access to high-powered weapons that does not exist in most industrialized countries. that's the simplest answer.

it's just deja vu. i can't tell you how many times i've been on shows like this after a mass shooting, having conversations about the politics and what happens next. frankly, we all know what happens next. that's the only policy response from the government is to lower the flags at half-mast. we know that congress is not going to do anything. there won't be a policy response in washington. you know, what's worse than that, don, i was reading a study from harvard business school in 2016, they studied the policy effect of mass shootings. and the major finding is that over the last few decades, the number one thing that happens after mass shootings in the states, is that laws loosening gun laws become more prevalent.

in the united states, after a mass shooting, it is more likely that gun laws become looser than stronger. not only do we have a policy where gun control is more important, it's actually the opposite. >> so, just want to say this. you're talking about the harvard study that is out in "the new york times." what explains mass shootings? some speculate it is because american society is unusually violent or its racial divisions have frayed the bonds of society. or its citizens lack proper mental care. these explanations share one thing in common, the seemingly sensible, all have been debunked by research on shootings elsewhere in the world. instead, an ever-growing body of research consistently reaches

the same conclusion. is everybody listening? the only variable that can explain the high riate of mass shootings in america is the astronomical number of guns. and it goes on to look at the numbers and give the facts. what do you say to that, david? >> don, we haare a broken natio on the issue of guns. let's be brutally honest about what we do know. i say this as a republican. republicans will never do anything on gun control. last sum eshgs you had republican members of congress shot and nearly killed after a softball practice and they do nothing. after the pulse nightclub, they had a sit-in the house, and they did nothing. vegas, 150 killed, republicans did nothing.

the idea of gun policy in the republican party is to try to get the speaking slot at the nra and prove that constituency that you're further right. and there's a discorrect between the american people and the heartbreak of the american people tonight. if this is the issue that defines your ideology as a voter, there's two things that i suggest tonight. first, flip the house. flip the house. republicans are not going to do a single thing after this shooting today. but i would offer to democrats, work for incremental wins. and what i mean by that is this -- we can do comprehensive universal background checks. and we can do it with the support of the law enforcement community, which typically is a conservative second amendment group. the law enforcement wants universal background checks. they want greater restrictions on assault rifles. democrats should go to the law enforcement community and say we're going to leave the republicans behind and let's work on this together right now

and get the will of the american people to be enacted in the united states congress. >> i was with you, i would hug you right now. honestly. >> don, let me be honest, i'm a conservative second amendment person who sponsored some pretty hard-core second amendment bills. national reciprocity. i believe in second amendment issues but i believe in background checks and reasonable restrictions, even banning assault rifles. and what changed it for me, what personalized it, was the pulse nightclub shooting, representing the state of florida and trying to work on a solution with the house of representatives, and my party said not a chance. democrats played politics on it, as well oop s. it is on both sides of the aisle. let's work the will of the people. >> i hope this -- that so many people are watching tonight. i hope this gets out on social

media. i hope everyone writes about it. it's extraordinary to hear a second amendment proponent, a proponent of the second amendment, as you have been, a republican, a former congressman, talk about this, in ways you have spoken about it, sensibly. you make so much sense. i hope the world is watching. i want to put your tweet up. you tweeted this a short time ago. you said, the last time there was discussion on responsible gun control measures on the right, we lost the battle. after the five of us, three are still there. right? who do you talk to in congress? point them out. name names. who do you want to see make a difference? call them out. >> well, let's go on that history. that was after the pulse nightcl nightclub, saying if you're on the terror watch list, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun. republicans were concerned there weren't adequate do process.

it was myself, susan collins, lindsey graham, and ayotte. i would expect we will hear from somebody like a susan collins tomorrow. and this is where the tribalism of partisanship will get in our way. during the democratic sit-in, they yelled shame, shame, shame, on the house floor. i get the passion. i really do. but they weren't coming across the aisle saying, let's work on a compromise. we need republicans to work on a compromise. democrats, to accept that willingness and look to people like susan collins, i would think, in the next few days to say something about this. >> ryan, i'm sure, i haven't spent as much time during the interview with you. you understand the importance of what i was speaking with the representative about. this is to you, ryan. my condolences to the families of the shooting. no child should feel unsafe in

an american school. no statement addressing the nation. no promises to do something to prevent this from happening again. just a two-sentence tweet. >> thoughts and prayers, it's a social media joke, right? that kind of tweet that happens after every one of these shootings. >> thoughts and prayers are good, but they don't prevent the shoots. >> and the other thing we don't focus on, we focus a lot on the dysfunction in washington and how there's little promise for anything. a lot of gun regulations happens in the states. nra is extremely organized. and loosening of gun regulations is happening. it's out in state capitals where this is being won. and in republican-controlled

capitals, the ability to carry weapons openly is expanding. the ability to carry a firearm in new and ever-expanding places, that's where gun laws and gun restrictions are being loosened, even in the wake of these mass shootings. it's not just washington. >> that's right. that's right. >> americans, according to the study, make up 4.4% of the global population but own 42% of the world's guns. 31% of the gunmen in mass shootings worldwide were americans, according to a 2015 study by adam lankford, a professor at the university of alabama. the only, if you adjust for population, yemen has a higher rate of mass shootings among countries with more than 10 million people. that's a distinction.

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florida high school today. 17 shocked families now grieving the loss of their loved ones. i am going to bring in a woman who knows what those families are going through all-too well. that's connie sanders. her father was one of those killed at columbine in 1999. my apologies to you. thank you for joining us. when a horrible shooting like this happens, does this open up old wounds of your weather and what happened at columbine? >> it really does. i wouldn't expect that after 18 years we would still be traveling this road, and that the sad group of people has gotten large over the last 20 years of people affected by mass shootings. i cannot believe we're still here and that people are starting the journey that i've been traveling for 18 years. and it's a rough run.

>> did you hear the representative on earlier just before you? >> i did. you know, i've been a therapist. i work with people convicted of crime. i know if we can find some middle ground, we can gain some traction on this issue. it's so amazing to hear somebody actually say, you know, we can do something. let's get some common sense measures put in place. let's actually, as a state, each state coming together and deciding what we can do about this. at this point, you know, just thoughts and prayers, moving on isn't working. you know, 20 years ago, the world stops for columbine. it really stopped. there were no sporting events. the malls were closed. everything stopped. and then, a couple hundred shootings later, we have sandy hook and the world paused and

said, we can't do this. and here we are, a few hundred mass shootings later and now we just blink. we don't even register it. we just blink. it's time to open our eyes and do something. we can do that as a society. we don't need politicians. we can come together as a society. we're the people that drive this kind of change. >> coni, this was another teenage shooter. warning signs we're hearing from fellow students. and some said i didn't see that side of him. most said, he kept to himself. they looked at his social media site. pictures of him holding a gun on instagram. posting threatening comments on youtube and other sites. he was expelled from high school. is this a case where someone should have seen the red flags? and the bigger point, someone like that, especially a teenager, he's 19 years old, should have access to a high-powered weapon? >> well, absolutely. he shouldn't have access to it. i can't believe this is even a

conversation. that a 19-year-old can have access to an ar-15 but he can't have a handgun or a beer. >> unless he's in the military. >> i really want to go back to this. i'm hearing a lot of see something/say something. i want to talk to somebody that are sick with guilt because they didn't say something, this is not your fault. this is on the arms of your shoulder. i know that statement will drive a lot of people to feel guilty and terrible, that they saw these things and they knew what he was saying and they didn't do anything. i want to be really clear. the only person responsible for this atrocity is the shooter. >> i'm glad you said that. you're a forensic therapist, right? >> yes. >> you look with violent offenders and the mentally ill. we can work on gun issues,

right? sensible gun laws. do you believe that violent people can be treated? and can some of the crimes be prevented through that? >> absolutely. absolutely. i've seen it happen. people say, criminals will just get a gun elsewhere. this man wasn't a criminal. he followed the laws and got one anyway. i work with people convicted of violent crime. i don't work with criminals. i work with people convicted of violent crime. if you give them hope and you give them options, and you give them a path, a lot of them will follow it. that doesn't happen with everybody. as far as mental illness, let's stop stigmatizing mental illness? if they seek treatment, they can't protect themselves with a weapon? we have to get better at defining what mental illness is. who is a dangerous criminal and

who has a criminal history? we have a lot of definitions to clarify before making progress. >> i thank you for coming on. your words mean so much. i'm so sorry about your father. the pain doesn't go away. there's your father, we put a picture up. >> oh, thank you. >> for his memory, let's hope that we do something. thank you, coni. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. when we come back, much more on our breaking news, 17 people shot to death at a florida high school. learning more, tonight, about the 19-year-old suspect, who is an exstudent. patrick woke up with back pain. but he has work to do. so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill.

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our breaking news, 17 people killed in a mass shooting at a high school in south florida. the suspect in custody. a 19-year-old student at the school. a source tells cnn he is talking to investigators. he is due in court later today, at 10:30 eastern time. joining me now, neil franklin, retired major with the state police. also, art roderick, and jim maxwell, also a retired fbi special agent. thank you for coming on this

evening. art, you first. sources tell cnn, the suspect pulled the school's fire alarm just before he began shooting people. this is a deliberate tactic. what does it tell you, art? >> it tells me that he actually put a plan in place he had smoke grenades with him. you know what happens when you pull the fire alarm. this is a school of 3,000 kids. it's a small town. what happened was, when those kids funneled into the hallway, he had multiple targets. to be honest, i'm amazed that more people aren't hurt or killed at this point in time. >> oh, really? >> yeah. he had an ar-15. we just went through this whole

process in vegas with a bump stock issue. now, we're talking about a teenager with an ar-15. i'm familiar with ar-15s. i've been in firefighters, using an ar-15 or m-4 and been shot by a ruger ar-14, which is a similar weapon. hearing the stories from the kids you had on earlier, don, and listening to the snapchat video, that will remain with these children for the rest of their lives. >> neil, let's talk about the officials, the social media profile. officials are saying, it was very, very disturbing. we know he had been kicked out of school for disciplinary reasons. how do you see these factors being part of his criminal profile here? >> well, we've seen it before. here's someone who was literally telling us he's going to do

something. it's no doubt that many people were following him on social media. people that have known him for some time. it's been said that people knew he was somewhat troubled and he had a fixation with firearms. he was telling us that something was about to happen. at least telling us that we need to take a close look at him. so, i want to touch on what was said earlier about his premeditation here, and pulling that fire alarm, which was also most likely part of his plan to escape because if he had gone into the school, you know, knowing what the protocol is, all kids are taught what the protocol is. you secure yourself, you hide, you lock the doors to the classroom, to keep people out, to keep the shooter out. pulling that fire alarm caused chaos in that school. a large number filtering

into the hallways and elsewhere, which would be cloak for his escape, which he attempted to do. and he did, literally. he got out. in the mass con cushiofusion he out. that was part of his plan. premedication. not just commit the shooting and harm as many people, but also his escape. >> jim, time for you to weigh in. a teacher at the high school said he had been told last year, the shooter wasn't allowed on campus with a backpack. that's interesting. that seems to be a huge red flag. is that uncommon? >> i would say, there are a bunch of red flags, regarding this investigation, regarding this case. i go back to -- if you go to homeland security website, secret service did a study several years ago, of 14 random acts of violence at schools. and they dissected each investigation. they talked to everybody,

relatives, friends, witnesses, victims, and the subjects. and they boiled it down and determined that in over 50%, almost 60% of these people interviewed, someone knew this was going to happen before it actually happens. sometimes hours before it happens, sometimes days. in one case, it was weeks before it happened. in this particular case, there's a lot of red flags here. we have to look at the school's procedures and how to follow up on once a student is expelled from the school, how do we keep him out of the school? what types of systems are in place? i do assessments of schools and hospitals around the country. wing thing that's consistent is there's no consistency. there has to be some general standards on dealing with these situations and keeping these potential problems out of the schools. >> neil, cnn is reporting that

the suspect attempted to escape the scene by mixing in with the crowd of students. it took about an hour for him to be apprehended. i'm wondering if the system worked in your opinion, because the only way they knew, he was hiding in that crowd, you said that was part of the tactic. they did it through security cameras. >> through the videos. the school videos. they were able to put the face to the name and eventually track him down. it would have taken longer without the videos because they would have had to interview students. students knew who he was. some knew who he was. but it would have taken much longer. you talk about the tell-tale signs and the red flags, the things that should have been brought to light and acted upon. there are cities across this country, speaking with chief art

howe in racine and another chief in martinsburg. they started putting mental health units in schools, for other reasons. dealing with the psychological issues of young people that would help with other issues of young people. this can be helpful in situations like this, where the school can identify someone that's been dealing with issues. even if you try to keep him out, he will find a way to get back in that school. it's not that difficult. you've got to identify these people soon to prevent them from committing the act or attempting to commit the act, to begin with. >> there's so much breaking news. that will have to be it. i appreciate it. we will have you back on next time. more on our breaking news, 17 people shot to death at a florida high school. the suspect, a 19-year-old former student.

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breaking news, deadly mass shooting in florida. at least 17 people killed at a

high school, a place where children are supposed to be safe. i want to bring in cnn political commentators, keith bicycoykins scott jennings and david swerdlick. i'm going to start with you, david. teachers, students, hiding in closets, families not knowing if their children are okay. what's your reaction first off? >> my reaction is that we're at a point that this is happening so frequently that response of politicians needs to be stepped up. you can have a debate if gone control could have stopped this crime. but the statements we heard from a lot of politicians in these instances, including tonight, you heard governor scott in florida saying, now is not quite the time to discuss political solutions. you had the president tweeting,

basically, his prayers and condolen condolences, which i heard you say, that it's meaningful but woefully inadequate. this is not a response from politicians at this point. this is not some out-of-the-blue thing when someone can't believe it's happened, because it's happened in recent weeks. it will happen again. we should be expecting more from our leaders. >> well, one politician, former, doesn't seem like people have backbones unless they've become former. did you hear david jolly earlier? >> yeah. he was cogent on the issue. and i think it's notable that he took on his own party. >> he said, a republican who has been strong on the second amendment, he said, it's time to do something. he tried to do something. and he said, democrats are the party that will, unfortunately for him, he says, do something meaningful when it comes to sensible gun legislation. and he said, vote my own party

out because he said republicans are not going to do anything. that had to be surprising to you as a conservative. was that surprising to you, scott jennings? >> no. i mean, look, these kinds of shootings, when it happens, it's tragic for all of us who have children. the thought of them going to a place that is supposed to be a place of peace and learning is a place of chaos. every family in america plays it doesn't happen to their family. i think back to the bush administration, i served as a special assistant to president bush, and i think that's when we last had gun legislation in this country. january 2008, in the wake of the virginia tech shooting, a big bill that beefed up the national database to screen out people that should not buy weapons.

i heard people say we can't get to a solution. the republicans can't come to an agreement. the parties can work together. >> would you support sensible restrictions on assault-style weapons? >> i don't think people should have access to weapons that have violent tendencies, violent histories, mental health issues. that's a nonstarter for me. one thing about gun control and banning guns moving forward, we have to have a realistic conversation, about there's 5 million of these guns on the streets. you're not going to realistically confiscate all of the guns. >> why does that matter if it's restricted. you're not going to get all of the jalopies off of the street that don't meet the standards when you get your car registered or you go to get an inspection on the car. it means you have to start somewhere. what does it matter if you don't get them all off of the street? >> you raise a reasonable

question. but, don, you and i are from the same part of the country, where gun confiscation would be a nonstarter. it's not a conversation that people in communities in a lot of places in rural -- >> why are you talking about that? >> because the point is, banning guns today does not sofl tlve t problem of having 5 million of this kind of weapon in america. people are going to want to talk about -- >> couldn't you start by talking about saying we don't put more on the street. you cannot, under these circumstances, you cannot buy these. and then, do something else that will maybe, if you have them in your neighborhood, because you don't need them and you can't use them in this particular thing, unless you use them at a range, you have to turn them in. but you don't have to confiscate everybody's ar-15 if they already have one. why does it have to go to the

extreme extreme? why can't you start from where we are now? >> i don't disagree. you could have a conversation about regulations like that. realistically, where the debate is going to wind up is are you going to try to confiscate weapons from people who don't think they should have them confiscated? this >> but scott, can i suggest something? you said this something debate will end up there. about confiscation. how about you not make it that. how about you encourage your fellow republicans not to make it that. i don't know any democrats and i'm very progressive. i very much believe in doing something about guns. i don't know democrats talking about confiscating peoples guns. i wish you could communicate that to the republicans out there who support trump or afraid obama was going to do that or hillary clinton was

going to do that. that's a consistent red herring. the nra uses this to promote gun sales and fear and hysteria. we're talking about sensible gun restrictions that most americans support. instead of talking about those we laep to the far extreme and talk about why we can't to do that. let's talk about what we can do. with the bush administration. let's do that and not talk about -- >> i have to get to the break. you'll get to respond on the other side. i'm not saying gun confiscation. but how many times have you had your car impounded you park nd the wrong place? your car is gone. then you have to prove that you're worthy of the car and pay to get it back. i'm just saying we have to start somewhere. and stop pretending there's some mortal wound that you can't have some sort of of a gun.

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>> there are two things i would suggest tonight. first flip the house. flip the house. republicans are not going to do a single thing after this shooting. i would also offer to democrats, work for incremental wins. what i mean is this, we can do cop rehencive universal background checks. and we can do it with the support of the law enforcement community. which typically is a conservative second amendment group. >> i have a short time left. i don't want to -- what do you think of that? >> it was refreshing to hear former republican congressman speak directly on that issue. i also think that he pointed out the influence of the nra in this issue. and pointed out a mote worthy thing about democrats need to look for incremental wins. guns are not just a second amendment issue. a policy issue. they're a cultural issue at the heart of american political friction that democrats can't

use as an issue to flip the house or the senate in the election. in the same way take a different issue like same sex marriage where republicans at some point were no longer able to use it. >> go ahead. keith. >> i don't know where to begin. the problem is that the country has a fascination with guns. not everybody has that. it's only a small portion of people who are obsessed with guns this way. we have to be able to stand up to people like the nra and the gun lobly in general. and do something. we're not exercising any leadership. >> last word, scott? >> some of the solutions to this really don't have anything to do with politicians. we have culture societal issues. a lost generation of lost males in the country. going off the grid and not participating in the labor force. they're falling into violence skpr drugs. i don't know if there's a politician in america that can fix what's culture going on with

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good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with broken hearts in another american town. the site of the yet another deadly school shooting. a high school in parkland, florida became the scene of chaos and pan irk. broward county sheriff says 17 people are dead. 17 people. a suspect is alive in custody. as is our policy on this program we will not say his name or show his picture. we'll update you