this is gps. welcome that all of you. i'm fareed zakaria. > what does the latest indictment mean for president and the larger investigation? we'll explore. >> then bill gates.

his first career made him the world's rifrpest man, his second giving tens of billions away. i asked him how he feels about the trump presidency, the first agenda and why he spends most of his money on nonamericans, an eye opening interview. and also, it may be fri i didn't do -- frigid at the olympics but relationships between the two koreas continue to warm. it is real or a ploy? we'll continue to explore. here is my take. there is a lot to be optimistic about today in almost every part of the world economies are growing and war, poverty are

receding. we are seeing fighting between turkey and american proxies, the u.s. and russian. it has been to double down on stats subcontracting to saudi arabia. in the latest issue of foreign affairs ur affairs urges a fundamental rethinking. the administration is working off the premise that it is the result of a rising iran that seeks to spread idealology. it was the result of the 2003 american invasion of iraq which overturned the power by d

dislodging saddam. it has been at the forefront of the fight like isis. iran's strategy has been remarkably successful. it is willing to put troops and malitias on the ground and plays a long game. adversaries do not have these advantages. the united states and israel are outsiders in the arab world and mostly fight from the skies. where are the arab countries in this geo political game? they told me the most striking is the absence of the arabs. look at the recent fighting. it is all in nonarab powers.

at this point far from being a revolutionary power iran trying to ratify the status quo largely because it has won. the ally has survived and is consolidating power. audi arabia to fight and have so far failed. russia still maintaining close ties with israel have immerged that america once was. it was the only power broker that everyone talks to. this is not because russia is powerful but because it has been

shrewd. the united states has been the p preeminent outside power. it is through disengagement and a stubborn refusal to accept the reality on the ground. a different american approach, working with turkey and russia. it helped to create the balance of power for more go to cnn.com and read my washington post column this week. let's get started. conspiracy to defraud the united states of america. that is the first charge in the

indictment of 13 russian nationals. the charges handed down friday alleged that the individuals along with three russian organizations sought to sew discord. president trump took the twitter almost immediately in response. he seems to believe it vindicates him. as for the russian reaction a spokesperson called the indictment absurd. what to make of all of this. it is the president of council on foreign relations. julia, what did you get out of

it? zb we kn >> we knew that the troll factory was involved. the fact that they hired somebody to put on a prison jump suit and sit there a cage and look like hillary clinton was a very colorful indictment. the big picture is this is -- you know, none of these russians are going to see the inside of an american courtroom. it is more of a message to the trump administration and to trump's face saying this is not a hoax or a witch hunt. here are 37 pages of details. >> rifrp charchard, what is the foreign policy message here? this does seem to be a hostile act by a hostile power. >> you're right. it is the latest example that russia is anything but a status

quo. it used to change borders in ukraine. it is quite brutally in the middle east. now with these act iive measure it is not military or economic or energy. it basically shows russia as an outsider. they have no way signed up to our sense of what the rules of the game ought to be. >> would it be fire say it is difficult to recall a time when the soviet union picked on a particular individual, hillary clinton or donald trump depending on how you see it and tried to effect the outcome

within the united states. many times soviets were involved in an issue. you supporting that suggested that putin personally disliked clinton because of her support and determined that he was going to do everything he could to hurt her cause? >> absolutely. there's a degree of a details, intrusiveness, of a familiarity of american politics. it is focusing efforts on those states which were in place. they may have done better than they ever imagined in terms from their point of view the outcome. the fact that it preceded the campaign to me is a real wake-up call that the russias have said american democracy and american society is fair game. we have got to take steps in order to make ourselves less

vulnerable. it is everything from the voting machines and voting roles. we have to take a look. they are exploiting the technology and they turned it against us. putin is track prak tisicticing. >> what did you learn about the russian political system? is it pretty clear this was direct i directed by the kremlin? >> putin's name doesn't really come up in this indictment. it is very telling. putin's chef, this is pretty typical of how he dell gates priority and signal. it is delegated to other parties, often private entities.

you're seeing this troll factory. it is a private company that thrives off of that state contract. we also have a lot of private security people fighting in ear ya the way that they did in eastern ukraine. a lot of this is designed not to tax the state too much and also to hand out, you know, political favors and money and also to build in deniability so that when he gets up there and lies that the russian government didn't meddle in the american presidential election. it is not technically a lie but they did in their private enterprise. >> stay with us. when we come back, where will this investigation go? what will its ultimate political consequences be when we come back. d thing. more checking-in or checking out things.

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congress wanted to do but also i think we have got to take this to them. i think we have to not just do other things we should probably do anyhow but why don't we engage in a little bit of public diplomacy themselves. why don't we begin to put out the details of his corruption. put out the details of the personal wealth of the so called chef and others. it will let putin know that two can play this game. if he wants to interfere in ways to not be acceptable we should put out information that will make it more difficult for him to justify what he is doing and to stay in power and a ruthless way and we want to criticize him any time he and the thugs who work for him go out and arrest people thighirying to act in the

of democracy. we should stop giving him a free pass. >> he may have his own financial dealings with the russians. >> i can't speak to this. it is a part of a larger mystery. again, the president continues to give russia in general this free pass. just this past week you had all of his intelligence chiefs saying russia not only has been involved but will continue to be. you had his national security adviser talk about evidence yet the president alone seems unwilling to say what russia has been up to. that's a mystery. whatever the motives, i have no idea. it means that the united states is not acting to protect itself.

if it were any other form of attack we would surely respond. why is a cyber attack some how different? >> finally and briefly, why is it that france and even germany were able to handle this better? what is it that the united states could do internally to be able to be more aware? >> well, france and germany were far more unified. they don't have the kind of polarized media space that we do where this -- and it was seen as a national security issue as opposed to an issue focused on a candidate the way it is here. it is opposed to a national security issue, as opposed to focusing on the fact that a foreign power interfered with the most sacred thing we do.

why don't we just start with empowering our counter intelligence to go after these people where they live online. so far the trump administration despite his intelligence chief saying time and time again that they agreed our cyber armies are sitting on their hands. >> on that note we'll have to leave it there. they continue to be active. they are currently apparently by some reports on the progun side of the gun debate that has recently resurfaced in the united states. next up, the main event, billionaire bill gates, what does this man who mostly gives his money away abroad have to say about trump's america first

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prj bill gates stepped down from microsoft. this past october he stepped down from that title too. jeff overtook him as the world's wealthiest. part of the reason is that gates is as good at giving away money as he was at making it. they have given away $41 billion to date. he and his wife released their annual letter about how they decide where to give their money, how they feel about the first year of trump and how they keep their optimism up in today's world. i was curious to dig deeper on those issues and more. >> pleasure to have you on. >> good to see you.

>> so you are a great optimist. your blog is optimistic. i'm wondering what you think about so much of the pessimism that is out there about the decay of optimism. it feels like yes, i get that in the very -- over the long time standards of life expectancy is up but lots of people are very concerned we are going through a very dark phase right now. what do you think? >> the good news is that our expectations have less violence in the world, to treat people fairly, to treat gay people equally, our standards keep going up so our disappointment that we fall short of those standards is helpful. it drives up to take the

remaining work and be serious about it. no. i don't think despite the current trends that we are going to have, you know, world wars or our complete break down of the trade system. >> i would imagine that donald trump's america first agenda is not exactly the why you look at the world. i mean i look at what your foundation does. what do you think of america first? >> well, america first, if you view it very narrowly would say, you know, we should lead nato, drop foreign aid to zero, get out of the united nations but then all of these global problems, whether it's economic alignment that allows our exports to work well, that's a

debate we are having now that when we say it's good to help africa you to prove it ben gits americans. >> i wanl t to ask you about another reason i wonder why there is cause for pessimism, which is climate change. a lot of issues, there are human solutions to it. with something like climate change it is so deeply structural and the response seems pretty limited at this point when you consider all of the new things, doesn't it make you a little pessimistic? >> remember, my optimism is not that we can just sit back and

things will take care of themselves. my optimism is based on the fact that, you know, particularly those who are successful will put resourtss into taking problems that today they will fund research and the policies to get serious about that. it was a set back to have the u.s. with you draw. a lot of the recommendations for the department of energy wouldn't fund some of the 5d advances that i think were important. it will let us decarbon size. we need a lot of innovation in

the next 20 years. >> and you don't seem to be dispairing at the fact that you don't have a stronger partner in the federal government as maybe you have had. i know you're being careful but it would seem to me that this is all stuff you don't like. >> the climate change, absolutely. the congress controls the we venn clul spending. they maintained the commitment. they chose not to cut foreign aid. i'm hopeful it will happen again. they will see our saving lives that our values, relationships, systems you build up that would

stop pandemics from coming to the united states, that that 30 billion which is a very small portion, that that will be preserved. >> will you look at the united states, do you think rising in evalquality equality. >> poverty, by the best measure consumption poverty is down. you still have about a sixth of the population living in conditions that should be very disappointing to us. government policies need to really think through why aren't we doing a better job for those people? >> do you think in that context it went to people like you? >> it because regressive tax bill, people who are wealthier

tended to get dramatically more benefits than those who are poor. it runs counter to the general trend you would like to see where the safety net is getting stronger and those at the top are painting higher taxes. >> you'll be okay paying higher taxes? >> i need to pay higher taxes. i have paid over 10 billion than anyone else but the government should require the people in my position to pay significantly higher taxes. >> back in a moment with much more with bill gates including how he feels about just how much influence he has in the world. u♪ guess what i just got? uh! ♪i used to be spellbound hello again. ♪i used to be spellbound hi. ♪i used to be spellbound that's a big phone. ♪in your arms. [screams] ah, my phone. ♪you built the flame ♪that warms my heart,

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bill, you once said that artificial intelligence, if you could crack that you could create a company that was worth ten microsofts. some think it would end up being an american company. the chinese government has laid out a funded effort to dominate artificial intelligence. where they going to win the race to dominate artificial intelligence? >> no. the american companies including microsoft and others are in the lead. u.s. is in the lead. the chinese are participating in this revolution. a lot of very open technology, most of the academic work is publiced soon after it is done. everyone thinks like peach, understanding, vision, you know,

everyone understands that. usually they will publish how they achieve that. this is a very key technology. it will make industries more efficient. it will be used by the military and the u.s. historically has had its military connected to more technical breakthroughs. they will do it fast if not faster than the u.s. does. it raises a lot of questions. it will reshape the job market. the u.s. has a strong lead in this. china's number two. >> talk about inequality. do you think it's fair that you as an individual have as much influence as you have? >> no. it's kind of strange that, you

know, people who are super successful off have more influence. now, if you have that hopefully you try to use it not just to increase your net worth or your glory but for broader pauses. it is an unusual system that very successful people have more influence. >> how much money have you given away so far? >> well, well over 40 3$40 bill. >> the vast majority of your giving benefits nonamericans. why do you do that? >> well, we give 500 million a year to u.s. education. our biggest is the global health

work. because there was such vacuum that very few people were working in that space including bringing scientists in that the impact per dollar, you know, we are savoriing lives that we jus have a you neeg role for us in infectious disease and that became our biggest program. we are looking at how the education work can connect to other people working in anti-poverty areas. >> but it is an idea that -- >> that's right. it is written ton the walls of the foundation. >> you'll get the biggest bang

for your buck on those people out there, is that something that came to you from your christianity, from your -- where does it come from? >> i is pretty clear when you go to africa and meet the parent and their values about their children surviving are no different than the rest of the world. wh you think of yourself and your area. the worl is rich enough today that the idea that millions of kids are dying of diseases that they don't need to. there is enough resources in the world to achieve that goal. it wasn't clear who should drive that. so i was pretty stunned to find

something that impactful wasn't being funded. you know, i think it is phenomenal that we can help out people in other countries and over time those countries as they get their health and education in good shape they become self-sufficient and then the world gets to focus on the remaining country. you know, today some people are graduating out of support. we probably will over the next ten years and then that's just that much more money to take the toughest places in africa and help them out. >> pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. next on gps, kim jong un has been playing nice ever since the olympics started. is it an act or genuine attempt? we'll find out. my cholesterol is borderline.

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kim jong un's sister was welcomed back with an honor guard and military band. this was after her opening to the winter olympics. it is the first time a member of the kim dynasty ever visited the south. the note that the two careers need to continue the warm climate of reconciliation and dialogue. what's really going on in his head and could this be the beginning of the end of a divided korea? joining me now is the chair at the bookings institution. great to have you on. >> thank you very much. >> what do you think kim jong un thinks of the united states? we have very few ways to read

the sky. you have done psychological profiling. what do we know about him as a person? >> he watches us as much as we watch him. so he has lots of people reading through newspaper articles in the u.s. and in the international committee trying to tease out what the relationship is between the u.s. and south korea and how regional dynamics a dynami dynamics are playing out. it is really strong on maintaining that pressure internationally. >> and the sister is te telegeneralic. it is before where you barely knew who were members of the family. do we know a little bit more about the kim family? >> what is so interesting is for

the past six plus years he has spoken in public which his father had not done. he had carefully of his wife who is glamorous and i think the reason behind the softer images of his wife is to prevent to the international communityov of a softer, kinder, north korea. as others have pointed out it is a sere yam violator of and just to elaborate on that, we're talking about a country that has, what, 100,000 people in various kinds of prisons. >> that's right, they have as many as 120,000 prisoners in various prison camps where torture and rape and beatings are common. so i think we have to remember

that the attention is on kim and his family as a handful of closest advisers, but there are millions of people in north korea who are suffering under this regime. >> so how significant was this trip? kim jong-un himself has actually not left the country since he became the leader of north korea, correct? >> that's right. and this is a big move for the kim regime to send his sister down. >> how important is she? she traveled with a nominal head of state of the country, but clearly, is it fair to say that she is the second most important person in north korea? >> i would say that she is kim jong-un's closest adviser. she is a full sister. and the fact that he trusted her to go to south korea and to carry that message of inviting president moon for a summit to pyongyang, i think, speaks volumes for how much kim trusts his sister to carry on this important mission.

>> so why is he doing this? >> i see this as a very tactical move and not a strategic move. it would be a strategic move if we saw north korea saying that it's going to get rid of its nuclear weapons, but this is a tactical move, i think, to loosen sanctions implementation and try to divide south korea and the u.s. >> so you think he's trying to in some way get the sanctions, the implementation relaxed or get some of them reversed? it seems highly unlikely that he can achieve that, because first of all, that's not south korea's to give. that would require much greater involvement of washington and other major powers. so it's likely that the north koreans will be disappointed and the south koreans will not deliver what they're hoping for. what happens then? >> the trump administration's policy has been falling on maximum pressure, including sanctions and talks of military strike options. sanctions are not going to go away, but the implementation is

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body count has. the gun death rate in the united states is ten times that of other advanced industrial countries. places like japan and south korea have close to zero gun-related deaths in a year. the united states has around 30,000. the president tweeted this week that the killer was mentally disturbed, and perhaps he was, but consider this. the rate of mental illness in the united states is not 40 times the rate in britain. but the rate of gun death is 40 times higher here than in britain. now, america does have about 15 times as many guns as britain per capita and far fewer restrictions on their ownership and use. and this is not simply a case of america being different from the rest of the world. data that looked carefully at gun violence across american states finds a similarly tight correlation. those states that have some of the highest percentages of gun ownership have among the most gun-related deaths. and those with some of the

lowest rates of gun ownership generally have the fewest deaths. given the second amendment, given america's gun culture, given the influence of the gun lobby, i said before there isn't any simple answer. but there are many small fixes that might make a big difference. an actual airtight system of universal background checks, tougher restrictions on military style weaponry, a comprehensive ban on gun ownership by people with any history of domestic violence or substance abuse. but first we have to stop the dodges and the diversions. when you consider america's stubborn inaction in the face of this continuing and utterly preventable epidemic of gun violence, i sometimes wonder if it is all of us americans who are disturbed. the correct answer to the gps challenge question is c. according to the bureau of labor statistics, 28% of civilian workers in america have no access to paid sick leave.

that's over 40 million people. multiple studies have shown workers without access to paid sick days are more likely to try to come to work ill, as the "washington post" has pointed out. they then expose their colleagues and fellow commuters to the virus. thanks to all of you for being part of the program this week. i will see you next week. hello, everyone, and thank you so much for joining me this sunday. i'm fredricka whitfield. president trump turns tragedy into political talking points as he lashes out at the fbi, tweeting, very sad that the fbi missed all of the many signals sent out by the florida school shooter. this is not acceptable. they are spending too much time trying to prove russia collusion with the trump campaign. there is no collusion. get back to the basics and make us all proud. in a barrage of 13 angry tweets last night and again today, the president is raging at the