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gun action during a town hali vent. we'll hear from community members affected by shooting including local politicians including marco rubio and bill nelson. rick scott and president trump have declined the invitation. wednesday night, 9:00 p.m. eastern. that's it for me. erin burnett outfront starts rite now. next, president trump is arriving back at the white house to a flurry of russia developments. the special counsel is looking at jared kushner's links to foreign investors. new details about the florida school shooter. he obtained ten rifles before shooting, cut his own arms and posted video on snapchat. why were there so many missed signs? trump's obsession with oprah. why she just can't quit her. good evening.
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i'm dana bash. breaking news on the president's son-in-law. cnn has learned that special counsel robert mueller is expanding his investigation to look into jared kushner's discussion during the presidential transition with foreign investors. mueller is going beyond kushner's foreign contacts and digging into his attempts to secure financing for his real estate businesses and other foreign investors including china. president trump returned to the white house moments ago after a long weekend in florida at mar-a-lago. after a weekend twitter storm about the investigation, trump was back at it again on this president's day. he tweeted obama was president up to and beyond the 2016 election so why didn't he do something about russian meddling. the special counsel's interest in the finances of the extended trump family could be more of a
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signal to come. that's exactly what the former director of national intelligence james clapper predicted when he told me he sees more shoes to drop. >> i think another thing that i haven't seen much of is financial entanglements between the trump organization, before the election and during it. i have to think that the special counsel and his team are looking at that simply by look at the competition of who is on that team. what exactly is mueller looking at? >> we have learned that the special counsel is asking questions about jared kushner's personal business dealings during the presidential transition. we're told by people who are familiar with the investigation that mueller's are asking about discussions kushner had with potential chinese and investors.
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this is the first indication that mueller wants to know about contacts the president's son-in-law had with foreigners outside of russia. discussions revolve around a building on fifth avenue which kushner's company owns. the financing is in debt wi over a billion dollars. it's not clear what is behind mueller's specific interest in financing. we're told the special counsel has asked for information. he hasn't asked for any interviews of some of the executives at the kushner companies. we have a statement from jared kushner's attorney saying another anonymous source with questionable motives now contradicts the facts in all of mr. kushner's extensive cooperation. there's not been a single question asked nor documents sought on the 666 building.
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nor would there be any reason to question these regular business transactions. we had multiple sources for the story who told us these questions were being asked. as abby makes clear now in his stalt statement on the record, kushner may have not been quizzed on company dealings but we have talked to multiple sources on this story. it's not entirely clear to what abby would know what other people are being asked. >> you know this far better than i. if underscore, something is a target, they are the last to be questioned about these kinds of things. what more are you learning? i know you're talking to your sources about these meetings. what are you told? >> in our conversations with some of our sources, they pointed to the fact the mueller team has been asking questions about a chinese bank that would fund some of the finances with the 66 building.
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there was a businessmen also who was looking to invest some money into 666. suddenly at some point both of the deals fell apart for unknown reasons and part of what we believe is going on is that special counsel as we have been told, as it's been explained to us is exploring this idea whether kushner was mixing his personal business with his work as an incoming administration official. >> thank you so much for that exclusive cnn reporting. appreciate it. i want to go to jeff who is outfront at the white house. jeff, what are you hearing from white house sources about their reaction to cnn's reporting? >> reporter: good evening. the white house is officially not saying anything about this new reporting. that falls in line of how they deal with anything. that's where the white house is
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appointing us to. he has said there's nothing unusual about these business transactions here. the reality here is that every stage of this mueller investigation that includes the family, makes people very uncomfortable. the white house not saying anything specifically about this matter. >> jared kushner was one of the most visible members of this administration when it started a year plus ago. he was constantly beside the president at key moments. we haven't seen him very much lately. do you think it could be, in part, because of the direction of the mueller investigation? >> reporter: there's no question that jared kushner a year ago was in the middle of everything. he had his own press conferences on foreign matters. every time a head of state was here, he was front and center. his profile has fallen
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dramatically as the russia investigation has escalated. he's been on capitol hill and the house an senate side. he's been very busy with all matters of this russia investigation. john kelly talking about the interim security clearances. offering at the end of this week, if this holds he will no longer have access to top secret information like that presidential daily brief. the president could overrule this. that will take him out even more of the center of activity here. >> so interesting. >> great point. we'll be watching for that at the end of the week. thank you for that reporting. tonight is democratic congresswoman karen bash. she's a member of the how judiciary and house foreign affairs committee. thank you for joining me tonight. congresswoman, i want to get your reaction to the news that cnn is breaking tonight about robert mueller's interest in kushner going beyond his russia
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contacts. special counsel looking at conversations kushner had with non-russian foreign investors including some from china and this was we're reporting during the transition. what's your reaction? >> well, my reaction to it, it will be interesting to see how it develops. it's such an extreme conflict of interest and it just seems as though it makes him completely compromised. maybe it's one of reasons why he has been unable to complete his security clearance. if you think about what his responsibility is within the administration on the foreign affairs angle from the middle east, et cetera. to be a billion dollars in debt and possibly be fund raising before he goes into the white house and whose to say that's not to continue. the deals might have fallen through but maybe he is in his order of business maybe he's trying to raise money for when this administration leaves.
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it just is an extreme conflict of interest. he seems compromised. i'm really hoping they will bring this to a close. either he get a security clearance or he does not. >> i want to add that this reporting is about the transition and before joining the administration kushner said he was working to divest his interest in the kushner companies including 666 fifth avenue. >> exactly. who's to say that that didn't continue after the transition? also the fact he's known to make more requests of intelligence information than anybody else except for the people in the national security counsel. sg a >> are you saying you don't believe he divested? >> i'm saying who's to say. even if he did divest, that doesn't mean he couldn't continue with his contacts with foreign governments. it's interesting that after they did take office, ivanka was able
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to get several trademarks from china. it just raises all the questions about the role of the family in the white house. that's the main point i'm making. >> i want to play, again, what president trump said in july. he drew a red line this this investigation. listen to what he said. >> mueller was looking at your finances and your family's finances unrelated to russia. is that a red line? >> would that be breach? >> i would say yes. >> he went onto say, i think that's a violation. this is about russia. his point being, if mueller goes into the whole notion of finances and his financing, that's a red line. does that concern you when it comes to mueller's ability to keep his job and questions about whether the president could fire him? >> it absolutely concerns me. it concerns me that this president doesn't seem to think
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that he should follow the rule of law. his family is not exempt. if his family is doing things that are not right then that's up for investigation too. he's the one that brought his family into the oval office. he didn't have to do that. he chose to do that. >> you heard our white house correspondent talk about the fact that jared kushner still has only interim security clearance. i know this has been a big issue for you. the fact the white house chief of staff ordered that top level security clearances be discontinued for any staffer whose background has been pending since before last june, kushner's clearance is pending. >> exactly. >> that is an open question about what it's going to mean for kushner. i want to show you what kushner's attorney said in a statement about this. he said my inquiries to those involved have confirmed there are a dozen or more people at mr. kushner'slevel whose
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process is delayed. it is not uncommon for this process to take this long and the current backlogs are being addressed. no concerns were raised about mr. kushner's application. it is true that it can take a long time for anybody to get their full security clearance. do you think and do you have any indication this is just part of normal process? >> from my understanding it's absolutely not part of the normal process. we're talking about 13 months now. we're talking about over 100 people in the administration who have not completed the process, but remember about jared kushner. remember he's had to make several amendments to his clearance, to his application. issues have been raised from day one. it's not my understanding at all that somebody of his level who makes consistent requests for classified information can have a position like this.
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now, the interesting thing is going to be who is going to win. is it going to be the clehief o staff? will the president listen to the chief of staff or overrule. we'll find out before week is over. >> i want to ask you about one o other thing regarding russia. the president tweeted obama was president up the and beyond the 2016 election. why didn't he do something about russian meddling? we know now that the russian operation to mess with the 2016 election started in 2014. it was halfway through president obama's second term. do you think that president obama should have done more? >> you know, i think in the context of what was happening during this election in 2016, it would have been shocking if president obama would have in a very forceful way said the russians are interfering. you do remember that they did issue a notice to the press. they did have a press conference
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and said there was russian interference. it happened to be the same day that the hollywood access tape was released. it didn't receive the coverage, the amount of attention it should have. >> thank you so much for joining he. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me on. next, all in the family. the new focus on kushner's finances raising serious questions about trump family conflicts of interests. plus, stunning new details about the high school shooter who was in court today. he cut his arms on snapchat and was threatening to buy another gun after a break up with his girlfriend. why were these red flags ignored? the president's right hand, how michael cohen became much more than just donald trump's lawyer. ♪
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why didn't obama do something about russian meddling? out front to talk about that senior washington correspondent for politico. happy president's day to you. i want to start with you. you covered this president saying that he is tweeting a lot is like saying it's monday. this was different. what you saw is a man stuck inside. he couldn't interact with anyone. they told him not to play golf. it was trump watching fox news and whiplash from every single topic that was catching his ire. it was realtime thoughts coming from his brain onto twitter.
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>> you would think his aides would have movie day or something to keep his distracted. in terms of the substance of what he was tweeting about, blaming democrats but also blaming the fbi. diversion or does he have some credence to that? >> when you study leaders it's always a mistake to underestimate. i don't know what behind this. i'll tell you one thing, if the russian and i believe the russian goal was to divide us and create chaos, his tweets over the weekend just helped. i think perhaps arguably the worst tweet -- there's going to be a contest among us all but the worst tweet so far was the tweet that attacks the fbi and said if you had been focussed more on florida and taken care and done something about the cruz tip off, rather than focus on the mueller investigation,
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perhaps those children wouldn't have died which was about as irresponsible, a presidential statement as i can imagine. >> certainly inflamed and made the children wo were survivors there irate. >> everybody. we're talking about two different divisions but here's the problem is that there are times when we want our president to not only appeal to our better angels but be the consoler in chief. this weekend he was the divider this chief. the only person who benefitted was putin. >> he kind of alluded to that. one said, look, the democrats and the mueller investigation are giving putin exactly what he wanted by having this sew so much chaos even now into the
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system. >> whoever lied about their contacts with the russians which is a felony. he's clearly got a twitter problem, an addiction there. i'd rather have him playing around with twitter than the nuclear codes. he's going to tweet himself into an indictment for obstruction of justice. he's tearing the country apart. vladmir putin is the only person who comes out on top. >> we'll see about the obstruction of justice. we're getting different clues about which way this investigation is going. i want to play one of the things that sort of proof of one of the things that the president was tweeting about is just not true. i never said russia did not
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meddle in the election. i said it may be russia or china or another group or it may be a 400 pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer. the russian hoax was that the trump campaign colluded with russia. it never did. except for the fact we happen to have donald trump in his own words saying the opposite. >> i don't think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. would be russia but could be china. it could be somebody sitting on their bed. >> more recently just air force one he had no reason to doubt russia president when he denied the meddling of 2016 election. he said he didn't do that. >> no one else is on this.
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master said. security conference. other reports are saying. you want it fair, that's fine. don't, you need to separate those two issues that collusion is separate. the whole russian meddling the strait. >> you saw cnn's reporting that the mueller investigation is now looking into jared kushner's foreign financing efe ining eff. what does this tell you about the direction of the mueller investigation? >> we don't know the facts yet with respect to the financing of the trump business empire or the kushner family business empire. we know they have a lot of
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foreign financing. they both have credit issues inside the united states and credit inside the united states and have been borrowing around the country. if they are a financial dependencies on russia, that's something he needs to find out because that could be part of the russia story. they are using their money to influence united states government officials where as the kushner's or the trumps, if it's money from the russian government, it's a clear violation of the united states constitution. even if it's not from the russian government, it could be something that could be used to corrupt the government and robert mueller needs to find out what it is. i can't tell you what it is now. robert mueller knows. he's getting to the bottom of it but it's critically important that he find this out. >> we have to take a quick break. i'm sure what you were going to say is this is why we have
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nepotism rule this is the executive branch for conflicts of interest and if things go south with your relative. thanks very much. next, more missed signs. disturbing ones that the high school killer in fl orida was a danger. the family who took him in didn't see it. >> he told us he was depressed. >> the president said he is obama to improving background checks. is this an opening for congress to finally do something about gun violence? what's with him? he's happy. your family's finally eating vegetables thanks to our birds eye voila skillet meals. and they only take 15 minutes to make. augh! (family giggling) oh my. birds eye voila! so veggie good. on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort, your sleep number setting. does your bed do that? save 50% on the ultimate limited edition bed. plus 24-month financing ends monday visit sleepnumber.com for a store near you. hey. pass please. i'm here to fix the elevator.
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girlfriend according to a 2016 report from florida's department of children and families. the alleged gunman appeared at court today staying mostly silent and looking down. this is the family who took the 19-year-old in says they saw no sign of what was to come even as he obtained ten rifles in the last year. martin savidge is out front. >> reporter: he sat quietly this court add the judge ordered the release of a report about cruz from the daept of children and families. the documents describe him as a vulnerable adult due to mental illness and out lined an disturbing incident. he was on snapchat cutting both of his arms an stated he had plans to go out and buy a gun. investigators went to the teens home interviewing him and his mother. eventually concludesing cruz's final level of risk is low. that was less than 18 months ago.
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even the family he was living with right up to the day of the attack says they saw nothing suggesting the killing to come. they took cruz in after his mother died last november. >> he told us he was depressed. >> reporter: they spoke to cnn to air tuesday. >> he's just trying to fit in. didn't know what to sigh or when to say it or how to say it. hooe he'd ask a lot of questions. >> reporter: the couple knew cruz had guns. authorities telling c thrnn sin turning 18 he had ten rifles. they believed they had the only key to the gun vault. the family told abc good morning america on the day of the attack as cruz took an uber to the high school, he was texting their son asking what room he was in. then cruz texted two lies. >> he told my son he was going to the movies. he said he had something to tell him and my son pressed him and
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goes nothing bad bro. he goes, that was it. >> reporter: this is chilling images continue to emerge. surveillance video showing the confessed killer walking down the street shortly after the attack. in the aftermath of the heartbreak and horror of high school killings, proponents of stricter gun laws have discovered a new and unexpected voice. unafraid to take on the president and the nra. >> if the president wants to come up to me and tell me to my face that it was a terrible tragedy and how it should never have happened and maintain telling us how nothing is going to be done about it, i'm going to heaply ask him how much money he severed from national rifle association. >> reporter: turning anguish into action. she and other student survivors are determined that stoneman douglas be known not just as another school massacre but remembered as the last school massacre. dana even as people call for
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political change and changes s gun laws it's pornts important remember this is an area very much in mourning. there's another vigil taking place in coral springs. coral springs is right next door to parkland here. nearly half of the student body of this high school came from coral springs. they're suffering and pain is spread across many neighborhoods down here. dana. >> thank you so much for that report. now, behavioral analyst casey jordon. thank you so much for coming. casey, let's talk about this 2016 report. it was the florida department of children and families. it talked about how the shooter started cutting his arm, talking about wanting to buy a gun. yet he was still called low risk. what does that tell you is th? >> this was triggered because he
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was putting this on snapchat. of course they have to go to his home and do an assessment. his mother said she was alarmed about this and this. she said he wanted to get an id and buy a gun but they were just focused on the self-harm. they never seem to make the transition that not only was he capable of harming himself but that because he's mentally ill and depressed and wants to buy a gun that he might be capable of harming others. the report doesn't address that possibility at all. there's red flags but what we need to do is fix the system so certain things like mental illness plus guns equal equivalent for. those two things are intrinsically dangerous. >> as a 19-year-old he was able to get an ar-15. in florida it's easier to get an ar-15 than a handgun. the shooter was able to buy ten
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rifles in the last year. what does that tell you? >> to unpack this for the viewer, the reason it's more difficult to buy a land gun aha the age is different is because of the concealability. the thinking goes rifles are less easier to conceal. we know cruz took the rifle in a gun bag and carried it on an uber ride and came over to the school. this is -- it's tough to wrap our heads around. we respect and understand the utility of the second amendment. i believe in it fervently. we have to look at certain things. certain processes and protocols associated with it because the way the founding fathers intended for it in 1791 doesn't apply today. people say, at 18, like i did when i went to westpoint, you go to war. why would you want to prevent a 19-year-old who has all this troubled mental history, why
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would you want to not allow them to do that. the sense of this is, the system's failed in so many different ways. >> so many ways. >> so many different sots where everything in vacuum you can say this was wrong. we need to look at them together collectively and figure out way to fix this. >> the killer was somebody who haed a lot of troubles. one of them was he lost both of his parents. his father years ago. his mother more recently. he was staying with a family that took him in. they said that they had no idea that he had violent tendencies. they did know he had guns. this from the public defender. >> this young man is deeply disturbed, emotion maally broke. he has been enduring mental illness his entire life. that's been an ongoing issue that he's been dealing with.
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>> how does this fill in for you the bigger picture of the missed signs, the red flags? >> at the end of that report they said he's low risk because he's getting mental health treatment. he's in school and his mother is looking out for him and making sure he takes his meds. within one year all of that was gone. when you talk about the system being broken, you have to understand the mentally ill are in the least -- the worst position to help themselves. they're needed to be further check ups. after the mother died something had to happen in the system to send a social worker to talk to him. he was homeless. we can't blame the family for taking him in. they were doing a good thing. at the same time, the fact they let him come into their home with a gun and said we can't intrude, he's a adult was probably the big mistake. >> i have to ask you before i let you go about what the president is saying about the fbi. here's what he tweeted. very sad that fbi missed all the many signals sent out by the
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florida school shooter. this is not acceptable. they are spending too much time trying to prove russian collusion with the trump campaign. there's no collusion. get back to the basics and make us all proud. >> i long argued i thought the president wads a little more nuanced and attacks were aimed at senior leadership. he's flipped the script. this directly attacking the institution of the fbi which is 35,000 men and women. i thought it was inappropriate and disappointing that he would do that in a flurry of tweets. this targeted the fbi's institution. >> it sure did. thank you both. next, who's add vising the president on gun violence? the answer to that may surprise you. president trump's fixer. how far will michael cohen go to protect the boss?
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and that's just one school, two semesters, three girls. together, we're building a better california. new tonight, president trump is open to strengthening gun background checks. that's what he is telling friends and family that he wants to do something. something he says after seeing the protests from students in broward county florida where the shooting took place. the president talked it over with his sons and talk show host geraldo while they were at
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mar-a-lago over the weekend. danny jones is from one of the most pro-gun states in the country and has fought an uphill battle to stop gun violence. he's now an independent but was a member of the republican party for 45 years. thank you so much for joining me. i want to start by talking about the president. he is saying now that he's interested in beefing up background checks for gun sales. good start? >> i don't buy it. i remember his speechst to the nra and i've seen this go on so long. first voted 1972 and then they wanted to out law saturday night specials. there is going be very little progress towards gun laws in this country because this motion of this event, i believe, will go away. the nra will always stay. if you, especially in my state,
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if you take on the second amendment folks, you're going to walk a long lonely road. i've been down that road and it's not an easy road to walk. >> nothing in you says this might be different because you have teenagers. the next generation on the cusp of being at voting age in florida and now around the country who are saying no more. you don't think their voices are powerful enough to potentially change things? >> i was very impressed with the young man that said we would wait a month and they would have an event but when it comes right down to it, our politics are controlled by money. that money will come from various groups both known and unknown. i don't know who came in here and spent all the money against me in the mayor's race but they came in here. in the end, the second amount forces usually prevail and to get past that would be a very high hurdle and i believe that
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president trump once he comes back to d.c. and the emotion settled, i don't look to see anything change. >> after newtown, your fellow west virginian joe mansion took on the nra. it didn't go anywhere which makes your point. why do you think, do you think it really is just the nra and the money or do you think that it is cultural and that people are concerned about the slippery slope. i'm sure you here that every day in your state where there are a lot of people who believe that. >> i come from the most pro-trump, pro-gun state in america. >> you do. >> they are going to be pouring money in here to try to defeat those forces are going to be pouring money in here to try to
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defeat joe mansion in this next election. the mansion bill when that was defeated because it couldn't get past the filibuster, that's the only time i saw president obama lose his temper. he did it in the rose garden. that's why i don't think this will work. maybe i'm wrong. perhaps, i don't know where it would go or what they would do. what kind of fashion they would have. >> i spoke to ohio's governor, john kasich over the week about this. he argued because congress is paralyzed that it's the state and local legislatures that need to step in. listen to what he said. >> where we have to effect this, i believe, is at the local level and the state house because you can have greater access to politicians who serve in the state legislature, in a county commissioner, in a city council. that's where you need to put the pressure and call these people
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out. >> he's talking about people like you. you're mayor of a big city in your state. do you think this is feasible because congress is not doing it, you can try to bring about change starting on a very micro level in your area? >> not in this state. governor kasich might want to ask himself what he's done since he's been governor and what he did when he was in congress and how he voted on these issues and did he use his political capital to try to advance that notion. i think the answer to all those would be he didn't. this the talk right now. you're talking about a governor that doesn't have a lot of good feeling for this president. don't get me wrong, i think that people ought to talk about this, but not just talk if grand design but if you're going to really do something about it, people need to sb specific and come up with real ideas and
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culture and craft some legislation that might work. >> he's not here to defend himself, he did talk about a task force he's doing in ohio. he was a lot more focused on congress than the president. i take your point. thank you so much for joining us. appreciate your time and your insight. next, trump's personal attorney is back in the headlines. this time about trump and a playboy model. trump took the time last night to insult his old friend, oprah. why is the president so obsessed? it's a lot easier to make decisions when you know what comes next. if you move your old 401(k) to a fidelity ira, we make sure you're in the loop at every step from the moment you decide to move your money to the instant your new retirement account is funded. ♪ oh and at fidelity, you'll see how all your investments are working together. because when you know where you stand, things are just clearer. ♪ just remember what i said about a little bit o' soul ♪
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new tonight, president trump's pit bull. michael cohen, trump's long time personal lawyer back in the headlines. august of 2016, cohen was given a heads up about an agreement. the deal prevented her from going public about an alleged affair with trump. >> reporter: a man with many hats. lawyer, enforcer.
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an entrepreneur extraordinaire, he is insanely bright. >> reporter: making donald trump's women problems going away like stormy daniels. paying of his own money to not talk about an alleged affair she had with trump. just because something isn't true doesn't mean it can't cause you harm or damage. i will always protect mr. trump. there were other reported deals. the new york times reports that in 2014, cohen helped hand over photos. and the tabloid never published them. cohen was also given a heads up that playboy model was finalizing a deal and preventing her from speaking publicly. she got $150,000 from the same
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publisher, the national enquirer. the white house released a statement calling it quote more fake news. michael cohen has stood by the president's side for 12 years and a fan for longer. he read the art of the deal twice. joinings the trump organization as a lawyer in 2006. if you do something wrong, i am going to come at you he told abs in 2011. it was cohen who launched the campaign who encouraged trump to run in 2012. >> join the movement, and let's convince him. >> reporter: when trump finally did run, cohen was his most visible supporters. >> look at the words that you
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use and blast at the bottom of your banner, shake up, overhaul desperate measures. there are no desperate measures. >> reporter: means getting sucked into the russia investigation. cohen called in front of congress to testify about his role in trying to build a trump tower in moscow and any communication with the kremlin. cohen denies the move had anything to do with the campaign and simply part of a failed deal. one constant figure in so many of trump's deals over the years, his loyal foot soldier, michael cohen. cnn, new york. jeanne moos on donald trump's fixation with oprah. out things. in g that triple-double thing doing it yourself or tagging a friend thing. more revolutions in the making thing.
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threatened by oprah? jeanne moos looks for answers. >> reporter: remember when they were just two friendly mega celebrities. calling each other by their first names. now president trump is tweeting about very insecure oprah winfrey. this after the president watched her moderating pro and anti trump voters on "60s minute." it was the insecure jab, insecure are you for real? it was a gif caption. perez hilton put words in oprah's mouth. don't make me come over there. donald trump calling oprah
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winfrey insecure is like bat man versus superman calling black panther a flop. >> she is popular, a brilliant, a wonderful woman. >> reporter: the kind of woman you would choose for vice president? >> if she would do it, she would be fantastic. >> reporter: but i adore has been replaced by insecure. as for president oprah despite the buzz, despite comments. great, that's what we need in 2020, a third president who hasn't run anything about her mouth. president is thumbing his nose towards oprah. >> there is an indescribable it
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factor. >> i am sitting next to it. >> reporter: it has turned to ick. >> thanks for joining us. "ac 360 starts right now. we do it because obviously he is the president of the united states. what a president says matters still and whether those statements can be trusted that certainly matters. keeping them honest, beyond just their raw factaulty, you can draws your own conclusion about. that not far from mar-a-lago
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