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welcome to the second hour of "360." at the end of a truly remarkable day, children acting like adults and adults acting like children. on the table tonight, students gunning for change, not children but young adults, push for gun control even as funerals for their classmates go on. also tonight the president says he's been tougher on russia than obama. we'll put that to the test. and more with the obsession of this president and the effect it's having on how he actually governs. we begin with guns, kids, and new tweets from the president on the issue. cnn's jeff zeleny joins us from the white house. jeff, this was the first white house briefing since the shooting in parkland. talk about what we learned and some of the messaging from the white house on this. >> anderson, it was the first briefing and certainly it was not long enough to answer all the questions that are still hanging over the white house tonight. first and foremost you remember the tweet the president made over the weekend essentially blaming the fbi for focusing too much on the russia investigation to miss the warning signs in florida?

white house press secretary sarah sanders tried walking that back. she said look, this was the act of a deranged individual, in her words, and she said the president essentially didn't mean that. but she went on to say that the fbi's attention on what she called a hoax, the russian collusion situation, has dominated their time. but then she went on to say in greater words than the president has that russia did indeed meddle in the election. but it was a split screen conversation, still talking about guns as well. and that's what the president addressed from the east room of the white house shortly after the white house press briefing. let's watch. >> a few moments ago i signed a memorandum directing the attorney general to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns. >> so we heard the president there really somewhat of a surprise. the white house had not telegraphed that. of course this is something that's coming from that las vegas shooting back in october

of last year. the white house has not talked about banning bump stocks really at all since then. they are now putting this back if the news. clearly the white house wanting to be part of this conversation on guns. you heard the president there signing a directive. unclear exactly, though, what that will do. we're not talking about new laws here, just existing laws, anderson. >> the president is weighing in again tonight on twitter about background checks. what's he saying? >> he is, indeed. again another sign the president has -- as we were talking about over the weekend and yesterday, has been affected, at least paying attention closely to that florida shooting. he was talking about how it's everyone's responsibility here to do something on guns. this is what he said a short time ago on social media. he said this. "whether we are republican or democrat, we must now focus on strengthening background checks." so this sounds a little bit like the donald trump of yesterday when he was for strong background checks before he was running for president.

you remember back in 2000 when he was running for the reform party or thinking about running as a reform party candidate? he was for gun control. of course all that has been changed when he was running for president m 2016 strongly supported by the nra. he essentially reversed all those positions. but it's clear the president at least wants to have a conversation or be engaged in this conversation on guns. less clear if he will actually lead his party to something here. the house and the senate are out this week, so the president is sort of alone in these conversations. but keep an eye on that, because advisers say they have even been surprised by how interested he seems in doing something on this. again tomorrow here he'll be talking to some students at the white house, some other school leaders as well. so the new person in this equation is the president. we'll see if he leads on this, anderson. >> yeah, see how long it stays. thanks, jeff zeleny. as the president at least alluded to tonight, preventing another mass shooting is not just a federal responsibility, states make gun laws. and today with their grief still raw parkland students went to florida's state capitol as they washed through fresh tears as

the state house defeat aid measure to ban the sale of weapons like the one that took 17 lives at marjory stoneman high school. other classmates like sophie whitney are on their way to tallahassee right now and she joins me from the road. sophie, are you on i bus right now heading down there? >> yeah, we're on the bus. about an hour away. >> when you heard today that the florida house voefted not to consider a bill to ban assault rifles and high magazine -- high-capacity magazines i'm wondering what went through your mind. because i know you haven't even gotten to the state capitol yet. clearly there's an uphill battle ahead of you. >> to be frank, we're all super pissed about that. sxo don't think we're not going to address it tomorrow when we have all the meetings with them. >> did it surprise you -- it was a pretty overwhelming vote. i don't have the numbers in front of me. but it was an overwhelming vote to not proceed on this. >> i don't know how that's possible considering this

happened in their own state, and there are kids that are dead from their own state, along with kids that were there from our school, and they just -- they don't care. >> governor rick scott, obviously the governor of the floor, held what he called an emergency meeting tonight to find solutions to protect students and said that he would put forth a gun policy proposal on friday, quote, "to move the needle forward." do you buy that? does that give you any kind of hope? >> i'll have hope from the governor when i hear it myself and when he actually takes some action on it. because he may have an a-plus rating from the nra but he does not have an a-plus rating from us. >> i should point out the vote was 36-71 today in the state house. on a national level, the president announced a plan to move towards banning bump stocks, which is something that was talked a lot about after las vegas and then sort of disappeared. is that a big enough step forward, in your mind?

>> no. they should have banned bump stocks a long time ago, and that wouldn't have prevented anyone from my school dying. >> if you had the chance to introduce your own bill, what would be in it? have you thought that far ahead? how far do you want to go? >> we would address mental health, we would address background checks, we would address some kind of waiting period maybe, and we would also address banning assault rifles. >> for you that's essential, some sort of ban on assault type weapons? >> at least make it not easy enough for an awful, awful person to buy one with no problem at all. >> have you been involved in this issue or thought about the activism you're now involved with prior to what happened at your school?

i talked to so many students from the school who said this has made them rethink possibly the trajectory of their lives or the trajectory of their futures. i talked to one young woman earlier who was at the state house who said she'd always thought about being an actress and now she's thinking about getting into politics. are you thinking about this? has this been life-changing for you? >> definitely. i've always been an activist for gun reform but never to this extent. i was one of the people that would kind of forget about a mass shooting after it happened, which is awful, because you don't really get how it feels until it happens to you. but we're going to make sure that nobody forgets. >> we talked to david hogg in the last hour, and some people have been writing about him, some conspiracy websites, some far right websites suggesting maybe he was a crisis actor, which is obviously a ludicrous notion, he's obviously a student from the school saying his dad who had been formerly with the

fbi may have put him up to it. when you hear comments like this which frankly often comes out in the wake of a school shooting, does it scare you? does it anger you? does it diminish your desire to be involved? >> honestly, i think the reason people are saying those things is they're in disbelief and they're scared because there are 17-year-old kids who are way smarter than them. and david hoge is not a crisis actor, i promise. >> sofie whitney, i appreciate your time tonight. i know it's been a long trip for you. we'll continue to follow you. thanks so much, sophie. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to get to the panel. kirsten powers, jack king skon, van snoenz, ryan stewart, ryan lizza. kirsten, when sarah sanders said today that the president did not try to use the florida school massacre to attack the mueller probe, that's just not true. and when he said -- when he made

a link between the fbi agents spending too much time focusing on russia and not enough time on -- because they were -- it doesn't make any sense. it's a lie. >> it's exactly what he said. jason miller last night was saying they were two separate thoughts but they really weren't two separate thoughts. he was essentially saying because they are spending too much time investigating him they dropped the ball on the shooting, but that's not really how the fbi works. they have people who would be responsible for that and who, by all accounts, did seem to drop the ball are in florida. they have nothing to do with the russia investigation, and so for him to conflate it and mix it up and make it about him is inaccurate and completely inappropriate. >> we have the original tweet which again sarah sanders parroted today. "very sad that the fbi missed all the many signals sent out by the florida school shooter. this is not acceptable. they're spending too much time trying to prove russian collusion with the trump campaign. there is no collusion. get back to the basics and make us all proud."

i mean, jack, is it correct that the white house -- that the spokesperson from the white house should parrot a random tweet from the president that is just factually inaccurate and just demonstrably a lie? >> well, i think we know sarah sanders has so many things on her plate that this probably was not a great statement of hers. i think the criticism is valid. but i do think that the fbi does owe everybody an explanation here. but not just here but if you look at dylann roof, the charleston massacre that killed 10 people. there was also a glitch in the background check which the fbi could be helpful for. there was a situation -- because he had been arrested for marijuana. he should not have been allowed to buy a gun. the guy named kevin neal in texas killed five people and he had also had some arrest records. and then the guy -- >> there's no doubt the fbi and any law enforcement should be held responsible for any glitches and stuff. but it does not have anything to do -- you acknowledge it doesn't

have to do with the russia probe that the fbi is spending too much time on russia that they dropped the ball. >> i agree with that. as a matter of fact, rush limbaugh actually had said it previously. i think he said it friday. and he was saying, as rush limbaugh has the ability to do, saying it in kind of a snarky way but -- >> so the president's basically just repeating something rush limbaugh said and sarah sanders repeats that -- >> i think what the president would like is to see the fbi really focus in on this and just say we can't have this again in a situation where you had two really good tips plus 36 calls to the house and all that -- >> i get that. but van, the president's lying to say it had anything to do with the russia probe. there's 35,000 people that work for the fbi. >> so tough to see the distinction between those young people who are so clear, so forthright. disagree with them, don't like their policies, if you feel that way, that's fine. but if you look at the character

of those young people, how clear they are, how forthright they are, how much integrity they have, and then to have that right up against these presidential tweets, you couldn't imagine a more juvenile response to a mass killing of children than to use that opportunity to try to stick your finger in the eye of the people who you didn't like before, anyway. this is a breakdown that can hopefully lead to a breakthrough. those young people are extraordinary. i've been hearing marketers talking about this high school generation. they say they are very different than the college students. that there's something happening with these young people. those young people are better spoken than most of us on television. they've never been on television before. so if there's any hope in the country, it's in this generation that's rising. but i have not been on television since the president did -- i just want to say, to stand over the bodies of children and poke your finger in the eye of your adversary is as

low as you can possibly go in public life, and it's a shame that the president did that but i'm proud of these young people. >> and the thing that's bad about that tweet, not only is it factually incorrect, but it takes a situation where he has an opportunity in this social media platform to once again express sichth and thoughts and prayers and we're going to try to fix threes problems to these victims and made it all about him because the russia meddling situation is all about him. that being said, i'd like to think that's going to be yesterday's news tomorrow because we are talking about ways to stop this. we're talking about let's make some changes to background checks. i think the girl you just spoke with was spot on. there's many aspects. the abc/"washington post" poll says what could have prevented this? better mental health services, stricter gun control laws, and even the possibility that they mentioned in that poll was possibly allowing teachers or school resource officers to have guns to help prevent that. but overall more importantly the quinnipiac poll says 90% of

americans want stricter background checks. that is what the president is now talking about. i would imagine governor scott is talking about that with people in florida. they want change. >> jack, i want to address something with you. on "new day" you suggested the students would have been advocating for gun control have somehow been hijacked by left-wing groups and there's no way for them to rally nationwide without left-wing help. >> i have a lot of concern for these kids. father of four. and i've been to many, many high schools all over georgia talking to children. i think when they're in an emotional state -- and they deserve to be heard. they deserve to be listened to. and i expressed that on the show also, that i believe they're sincere. this is a horrible tragedy. their hearts are broken. but also know that the state senator from there is facilitating their bus trip up to tallahassee which, when i was in the general assembly, by the way, was illegal to do something like that, to pay for somebody to lobby. the democrat party there is doing it. but what the big -- >> you think they are being hijacked by left-wing politics?

>> i think -- i was referring to the national rally. it would shock me -- and i hope i'm wrong. i really hope i'm wrong. it would shock me if 17-year-olds around the country -- and i agree with you, van, very articulate, very sincere. but it would shock me if they did a nationwide rally and the pro gun control left took their hands off. >> why does it even matter? i mean, if -- >> i'll tell you why it matters. >> let me just ask the question. if there is a group of people who are supportive of what they want to do, what would be wrong with them working with them if they have some knowledge about how to get their message out? what you're suggesting is somehow they're being used like people went in there and told them what to say. >> which, by the way, there are these allegations they're crisis actors which is just ridiculous. >> well, i would never say that and did not say that today. i said their hearts were broken, which they are. and that they are sincere. i said that. but i can say this.

that as rahm emanuel famously said, never waste a good crisis. i don't believe -- >> come on, jack. >> jack, they're trying to enter into politics. they're trying to change the debate that is a political debate. >> you've had your say. >> van. >> you cannot criticize high school students engaging in politics -- >> i'm not criticizing them. >> when you were a young person and you wanted to change policy, what did you do? >> awful aert broek heartbroken kids -- >> jack, just give me a second. when you were a young person, i assume you became a politician because you wanted to effect change in america, right? you joined the republican party. you're attacking these kids for having political allies? >> my first forays was an event -- >> van, what were you going to say? >> when you say something like that, it's so bad. i'm going to tell you why it's bad. first of all, these young people don't have to have anybody tell them, you, me, democrat or

republican, anybody else, that something has to change. when we went to school, i was scared of bullies who might take my lunch money. i was not scared of getting killed. we have no ability to understand what it means to go to school every day and wonder if you're going to get killed. and these kids are worried about that. so the idea -- now, if anything, the kids are using us. but i don't think we're using the kids. >> i hope i'm wrong. we'll see -- >> it's not fair to you -- it's not fair for you -- >> the state senator -- >> you're sprinkling it out there that maybe these kids are illegitima illegitimate, and that's wrong. >> those words did not come out of my mouth. >> we're going to continue this conversation. more on these efforts of these students in florida and around the country. the politics of doing anything on the epidemics of mass killings. later the president has claimed that he's done more with russia in a year than president obama did in eight. i'll talk to an nsa director about that.

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we're talking about students taking action in the wake of the parkland tragedy. four funerals today alone. back now with the panel. we haven't heard from jeff. >> jack is outnumbered on this panel but he's in the majority in the united states congress, in the state legislature of florida, in the state legislature of most states. gun rights are the defining issue of the republican party today. more than immigration, more than abortion. they are going to do nothing. they are going to do nothing regardless of what these young people demand, because this is the issue that unites the

republican party. donald trump used to be for gun control, but today maybe we'll do something about bump stocks some year. this is an issue that unites the republican party against any sort of regulation. you know, for ten years in this country, guns just like this, ar-16s -- >> ar-15. >> ar-15s. they were illegal. and you know what? we still had freedom in this country. but george w. bush and the republican congress decided what we need under the second amendment is to have access to guns like this. and that's exactly what happened in 2004 after the brady bill expired, and that's the kind of country we have now, because republican legislators want it that way. >> is it wrong -- to jack's point, is it wrong if a group of students who have come out on television and been very vocal and well spoken are contacted by gun control groups and who want to help sponsor a rally? is there anything wrong with that? >> of course not. that's how politics work.

jack, you make it sound like they're being tainted by the political parties, people who actually can organize and help them move legislation. cpac is this big republican -- excuse me, conservative meeting happening in washington this week or next week. do you know how many kids are bussed in from around the country to join cpac and to talk about -- >> let me repeat this. >> do you find all those kids being bused in tainted? >> they're not under duress of a horrible life-changing tragedy. and i would say for those kids, you've got to give them a little space. >> but if their parents are fine with them being involved and if frankly being involved helps them move through grief and try to turn grief into something positive, who are we to say how somebody should grieve? >> of all the things -- >> what, should they stay at home and grieve and that's the only way to grieve? >> let me say again as i said this morning, i don't doubt their sincerity. their hearts are broken, i

understand that. but i also think that sometimes when somebody goes through that that you don't want to inject politics into it immediately. let me give you a couple -- let me say this. >> this is a mass shooting. >> there is a shooting every few months. >> you said -- go ahead. >> there's a shooting every few months. just pretend that we're talking about guns in the wake of the las vegas shooting. did that happen long enough so we can talk about gun policy? >> yeah. >> because you all have this rule that you're not allowed to talk about gun control unless it's -- what's the sniem 30 days? 60 days? 100 days? >> the republicans house in december passed a bill sponsored by richard hudson that demands 180-day review of bump stocks to look at the stats and get rid of them if necessary. it also had to do with a background check which cornyn and murphy are talking about in the senate. >> but jack -- >> all the things --

>> kids should not be involved in the debate because they're grieving -- >> i know gun control debates fairly well, having gone through many of them. but the democrats, jeffrey, had the opportunity to reinstate the assault weapons ban. they're not really assault weapons, not according to the u.s. army. they're weapons that look like -- they are semiautomatic. that might be a technical term. but why didn't the democrats -- >> should they have? >> i would say they should have if that's the belief of their party. >> no, no. should they have? >> no, i don't think so -- >> so what difference does it make if they didn't do it? you don't think they so. >> the democrats had the opportunity -- >> they did it -- >> let's not talk over each other. van, what did you have to say? >> we had to deal with the great recession and two wars. everything you guys criticized us for not doing in the 18 months we had control of the government it gets a little -- >> of all the things -- we could sit here and argue all day long, but one of the most compelling things i heard from one of these students was, you weren't there. you don't know what it felt

like. you weren't hiding under a desk or in the closet, you don't know what it felt like. if this helps them in their grieving process, let them get on a bus, plane, train, or automobile and go to tallahassee -- >> i'm all for their ability and their right -- >> jack, have you ever been to a pro-life rally? >> yes. >> have you ever heard a young person get up there and talk about abortion, somebody who recently has been affected by it, maybe because she had a classmate who had an abortion? >> no. not really. >> you never heard a young person -- >> no. >> -- in the pro-life movement as an activist? >> no, i haven't. >> you're a republican congressman and you're telling me right now you've never heard of young people being involved in the pro-life movement. >> that's not what you asked me. you asked me if i heard somebody talk about their abortion. >> no, no. have you ever heard young people, high school students, involved -- >> the answer is yes of course he's heard young people -- >> come on, you're involved in politics. >> ryan. we have to take another break. we're going to take a break and continue the discussion during the commercial break apparently and afterward.

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our conversation continues about young people, gun control and politics. it seems to have lasted through the last break so let's continue with the panel. one of the things general mcchrystal said, i think he said this after the wake of one of the shootings. he said a .223-caliber round, when it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. it's designed for that. he talked about he didn't think there was any need for that kind

of weaponry on the streets. it was right after newtown. what's interesting, i think, jack about your comment about there should be a period during which these kids are allowed to mourn and we don't focus on this and it doesn't become an issue about gun control is i actually think we don't focus on the reality of what an ar-15 does to a child. if anyone has been on a battlefield and you see what a weapon like this does to a soldier, i think if people actually saw this and saw the reality of this i mean, it's -- it would open people's eyes. we were talking about -- we all say oh, these children lost their lives. they didn't lose their lives, their lives were ripped out of their bodies. their brains why splattered on the floor. their intestines were hanging out. i mean, it's sickening. we're talking about this in this antiseptic way and we're shocked these kids are angry when they've been hiding in closets and their friends are dead. i just -- >> that's part of the reason why

law enforcement people are standing with the young people and saying we do have to do something different. what the republicans and too many conservatives are trying to say is these democrats they're emotional, they're irrational, they're exploiting kids because they just want to grab all of our guns. and then they're the ones that are actually being rational and sane. when in fact the people who have to deal with this on the front lines, the kids hiding under the desks and the cops going to save them, vague the same exact thing, that it makes no sense at all for this to be the reality in america. and they have a thousand excuses. and i have to say, whenever this thing happens, if it's a muslim, they want to politicize it within seconds. if it's a mexican, build the wall. if it's a black person, more cops and prisons. but when it's a white kid, thoughts and prayers and nothing else. and that's another part of the dimension of this thing here as well. why is it that when some people take a life you've got a thousand political ideas and when other kinds of people take a life you've got nothing to say and you're mad that people are upset and you want them to have a cooling off period. there should not be a cooling

off period for these kids. and i'm going to say one last thing. i don't want to filibuster because i do want to hear from other people. but i do feel we have a situation where a generation is terrorized. we've never had this for all the kids in america. some neighborhoods, yes. some racial groups, yes. you now have all the kids in america who have seen this and they're drilling on a weekly basis about how not to get their brains blown out in their classroom. this is a national tragedy. it's an emergency. and the fact that young people are standing up, everybody should stand at attention. we argued and fought because some football players wanted to kneel and beg for the killing to stop in black communities. these kids are not disrespecting any flag, they're not disrespecting any anthem, they are going down to their government and they are petitioning for redress of grievance. their constitutional rights. and for anybody to get on their case and say, well, you're too vulnerable, sit down shut up and cry and don't say anything or you're a crisis actor, this is

despicable on the parts of people in this country. and i think republicans and conservatives as good as you should first before you say anything critical of them defend these kids from these conspiracy people who are trying to make them seem illegitimate and don't add to their illegitimacy -- >> let me say i'm with you on that. and having not criticized the kids, i again respect their sincerity, their hearts are broken. i am concerned that there are people in our country who do hijack grief and other causes, and as rahm emanuel said, never waste a good crisis. but let me give a -- >> that happens on your side. >> you know what? and if you're disgusted with it on my side, you understand. but let me give you a statistic that i would like to throw out. between -- 1991 was the most violent year in american crime stats. from 1991 to 2014, there were 160 million firearms purchased in america.

from '91 to 2014, 160 million firearms purchased, including about 15 million ar-15s. however, the violence went down. the crime stats, the violence went down 52% and the murder rate went down $54%. >> suicides shot up, didn't they? >> i actually don't know that. >> suicides are actually on the rise. >> but let me just say this that -- >> if you have a gun you're much more likely to kill yourself. >> but if the conclusion going into an argument is that ar-15s or semi-automatics or whatever are bad, you have to figure out that stat. i'm willing to say, you know what, i am confident enough that you can put gun control on the table. but would you join me about hollywood gratuitous violence or about video games or about social media isolation and about mental health? >> as a parent i worry about that too. >> i think it's really important as we move forward, let's have a

time for grief and then let's take action. i think after vegas we did have some firm, solid conversations on bump stocks and nothing happened. >> it did happen. don't say that. richard hudson's bill -- >> one at a time. let her complete her thought. we don't need to jump on each other. >> here's the thing. i'm with you. i'm a second amendment supporter. i'm a gun owner. i think every american has the right to own a gun and they should if they want to and it makes them feel safe. here's the problem. moving forward, if we want to -- this isn't just about gun control. this is about gun violence. and to really make a difference on gun violence, we have to address how guns are purchased and how violence is provoked. and there are many factors that go into that. that goes with mental health. hollywood is partially to blame. there are single-parent homes, no family homes, breakdown of the american family. all of these need to be considered. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry. hold on. so john wayne didn't cause violence? i mean, this is ridiculous. the idea that somehow hollywood is causing this? we've always had violent movies. now we're going to say this is

happening because of violence? no. this is happening because of one reason. it's the guns. it's the guns. it's the fact they have these guns and they can mass murder people. there is a direct correlation if you talk to people who study gun violence and mass murder. it's when these guns that you can cause -- whatever you want to call them. and i'm not going to play your game, that you don't call the gun with the right name or whatever. the guns where you can go in and mow down people. when those became available and people started buying them, that's when we started to see mass murders. >> put aside the crocodile tears from the republicans over mental health. we're so concerned about mental health. why did donald trump sign an executive order in secret, not in front of anybody, to make it easier for people with mental health problems to buy guns? why, if republicans are so concerned about mental health, why did rick scott and every other republican governor say we don't want medicaid, we don't want to expand medicaid under obamacare? if you expand medicaid, you give people mental health services. but no, we hate obama, we hate obamacare.

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breaking news tonight on the president's son-in-law who is a top adviser and apparently doesn't have top security clearance and hasn't this whole time. there was an effort recently to curb the access of such people of classified information. now there's words of resistance from kushner against kelly. joining us is haley hirschfeld davis, one of two reporters on this story that just posted. talk about for our viewers who have not heard this story, talk about what you have learned. >> well, john kelly, the chief of staff, put out a memo on friday basically saying he was going to change the policy now regarding security clearances at the white house. and one of the things that he's going to do going forward, he said, is to essentially revoke the security clearance, the high-level clearance that folks who are currently serving in the white house have if they have not yet cleared their background check and it's been pending for several months. he put a cutoff date of june 1st.

there's some debate over whether that applies to jared kushner or not. but it's clear that because jared kushner is one of the high-level officials in the west wing who is serving with an interim clearance that this is going to affect him in some way. he's been trying, as have other officials in the west wing, to figure out how this is going to affect him exactly. what we've learned is that he is concerned that he doesn't want to have to give up his level of clearance that he has right now which allows him to see the presidential daily briefing and other materials and there is sort of this quiet internal struggle going on over whether he's going to continue to have the level of access that he has enjoyed and whether others, and we don't know necessarily what their names are, are going to continue to have access to the kind of information they have had even though they haven't been cleared for a permanent clearance by the white house office that's in charge of doing that. >> i was only able to skim your story very briefly. part of what stood out to me is that you write about that general kelly has been

dismissive, i believe was the word you used, of jared kushner for some time, and i'm wondering, a, if that is true and b, is this a particular effort against jared kushner in some way? >> well, you know, general kelly would say that this memo wasn't targeted to any one person in particular, but it had been clear for many, many months that jared kushner was one of the, if not the highest-ranking official in the west wing who, like rob porter, had an interim clearance and access to top secret information. by distant of that. and so whether or not it's the case jared kushner has felt like this is targeted toward him. he has been uncertain about how it's going to affect him, and it's clear that the issuance of the memo and it becoming public on friday put something of a spotlight on jared kushner because everyone knows and has known for some time, again, that he has an interim clearance. so there is a little bit of a power struggle going on.

and when general kelly came in, one of the things he was trying to get a handle on was that there were a lot of officials in the west wing who had access to president trump, ready access without any kind of filter, any kind of organized process around that, and jared kushner was chief among those people. so he really tried to get a handle on that and tried to limit it, and that has really in some ways crimped jared kushner's access to the president and it's been a -- it's been a simmering tension for some time now. and i think this clearance issue has just brought that to a head. >> is it clear at this point why jared kushner has not been able to get a full security clearance? obviously we know he has a lot of business dealings, there have been questions raised about, you know, activities during the transition, his relationship with china, his desire to try to get financing for his company's big buildings in new york city, even during the transition.

he had to amend his disclosure form several times, initially hadn't put down his multiple meetings, dozens of meetings with foreign officials during the transition, then he finally amended that, then he had to amend it again to include -- i think it was the june or july meeting with russian officials with donald trump jr. he neglected to put that in his amended version. does that -- but do we know specifically why he doesn't have -- yes hasn't been cleared yet for full security clearance? >> we don't specifically, but all the reasons that you just laid out, particularly the omission from his original form that he submitted with all of those disclosures that were supposed to have been made in the very beginning, are a big reason. we do know that the fbi looks for out-and-out lies, they look for things that have been excluded that shouldn't have been excluded. and jared kushner's legal team has said from the beginning that these were -- that he didn't intend to exclude anything, he

didn't intend to leave anything out and these were all -- he submitted the form essentially before he was ready to submit it. but that certainly always will raise a red flag or always will raise a concern for the fbi. i asked about this in the white house briefing today, and there was a very swift pushback on the notion that there were any actual red flags, that is to say criminal or any hint of wrongdoing in jared kushner's record. but we do know that one of the major things they're looking for is anything that could subject a person to blackmail. so, of course, any sort of business dealings with a foreign power, anything that involves, you know, large sums of money and big transactions that are unexplained are going to raise issues that the fbi is going to want to look into further. >> julie hirschfeld davis, the story's post with the "new york times." thank you very much. we're going to take this up with the panel, who are all cleared for it, next.

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does not have a full security clearance. he's on a temporary security clearance and has been for the past year. >> anderson, isn't the problem nepotism? that's really what this is all about. jared kushner is not qualified for the job he's doing. his only qualification is that he's the president's son-in-law. he's a modestly successful real estate developer -- >> of his father's company. >> of his father's company, lucky sperm club, and he seems to be -- >> lucky sperm club. >> he seems to be losing the fortune that he was given through this disastrous investment in 666 fifth avenue, which is leading to some of these problems, because he's trying to get investors from china, from qatar, where we have foreign policy issues. but this is why presidents shouldn't appoint close relatives to be their top advisers. because they can't be treated like everybody else. he shouldn't have this job in the first place. and who knows if he should have a security clearance. it's absurd that it hasn't been resolved one way or the other. but the idea that this person is

in charge of the middle east peace and the relationship with china is just absurd, putting aside the whole security clearance issue. >> also, the lack of structure. and we all know the lack of structure in the white house has been a problem from the beginning, about not having clearly defined roles. and clearly jared kushner and ivanka trump fit in that. what do they exactly do? >> on many campaigns, you have family members and friends who want to be part of the campaign. we would call them alongfortheride.coms. let them come along, but don't give them responsibility. don't let them have a huge portfolio, in charge of israeli/palestinian peace and still not able to pass their security clearance. i think what's important in this article that they pointed out is that general kelly made it clear that even without availability and access to this classified information, jared is still able to carry out the duties and responsibilities of his portfolio, including dealing with the israeli/palestinian situation. i think i take general kelly's

word that he can do his job without this and i think we should leave it at that. >> but that's crazy. that's absolutely insane. the relationship with israel and the middle east is intimately bound up with the national security agency, the cia. if you are going to be in charge of middle east peace, you have to have access to classified information. how could he possibly -- why do we have all of the agencies if the person in charge of our relationship can't see it? it's ridiculous! >> jeff, you said that kushner is not qualified for his job. and if you start applying that standard in this white house, it's a slippery slope about where that ends, frankly. and they don't have, exactly, a large community of people to draw on who, a, want to work in this white house, or two -- >> if you bad mouth omarosa one more time -- >> i was just about to say, omarosa was an assistant to the president! >> i happened to catch her work on "big brother" the other night. the first time i've ever seen it. >> i think she's very qualified for reality tv.

i'm only half joking. y. >> it's truly incredible. >> i think the idea of sending your son-in-law, though, there is a certain tradition that would be recognized in the middle east -- >> kazakhstan, all the great democracies -- >> well, make america great again. >> you're not dealing with democracy. >> equatorial guinea comes to mind. >> okay, saudi arabia. don't you think that's a little bit of nepotism. >> they just imprisoned like half the leadership -- >> but still, it's a family business. and i'm just saying -- >> full of corruption and -- >> jack, this is a terrible argument. >> you're saying the u.s. should be more like saudi arabia?! >> our diplomacy should depend on the local customs? >> like, think about that. >> i actually think that sending your son-in-law has some symbolism that is diplomatic important in the middle east. >> like kim jong-un sending his sister to the olympics? that makes no sense! >> she was not in the middle east. >> we should take note. we've got to take a break. we'll be right back. -looks great, honey. -right?

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tune in tomorrow night when the students of stoneman douglas speak out in a live cnn town hall. stand up hosted by cnn host jake tapper. tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern. thanks for watching "360." time to hand it over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts right now. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. we're following multiple big stories tonight. we have breaking news on jared kushner. the president's son-in-law and a senior adviser reportedly fighting to keep his access to highly classified information against the wishes of the chief of staff, john kelly. that is according to "the new york times." we're going to have more on that breaking news story in just a moment. we also have major new developments on the florida school shooting rampage to tell you about and what happened in the state's capitol today is quite frankly a disgrace. it is a betrayal of 17 innocent students and teachers who were shot to death at stoneman douglas high school just six days ago. the florida house of representatives refusing to even consider a bill that would ban