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senator marco rubio taking a new stand on guns saying he would support legislation to prevent an 18-year-old from buying a rifle, and that he is reconsidering his support for large capacity magazines. also saying he does not support arming teachers in the classroom as the president talked about today. i want to bring in jeremy diamond, patrick healy, and david from the new yorker. and david from the "washington post." so good to have all of you here. what do you think of marco rubio's changing positions? >> i think he walked that fine line between not alienating the nra and some of his conservative republican constituents, and still trying to sympathize with the crowd. the broward county folks who are healing and grieving and not getting trapped in what sit a foolish policy position. this thing that president trump floated out there about arming

teachers. in terms of the rifles, he recognized, senator rubio recognized it is hard to make the case outside of the obvious argument that everyone has second amendment rights, that someone between the age of 17 and 21 needs an ar 15 style rifle. and i think that was largely the motivation for that particular position. he sees that it is a lose go position and found a way to still stick up for the second amendment. >> here's how both of those were discussed in the town hall. >> i have told you that i support lifting the age from 18 to 21 on buying a rifle. my understanding is that organization is not in favor of that but i think that's the right thing to do. >> am i supposed to get extra training to serve and protect on top of educating these children? >> i don't support that. i admire you as a father as much as as a senator. this is about the safety of the

teachers as much as anyone else. imagine in the middle of a crisis, the s.w.a.t. team comes in and there's an adult with a weapon in their hands and the s.w.a.t. team comes in. >> you first. >> marco rubio still wants to be president someday. that he knows these, the positions that he takes right now, how empathetic, how open he is, will be positions that will be remembered and clip that's will be shown. the reality is it took some guts for him to show up. a lot of the students went to tallahassee. they were getting doors close in the their face. they weren't getting time with lawmakers. marco rubio did show up but he was trying to walk a pretty fine line. i think you will see polling that will come out that will show that there's a fair amount of support among the public for raising the age from 18 to 21.

i don't think that's a huge risk. president trump, he has felt this way ever since the paris attacks in 2015. he sort of suggested that the attacks wouldn't have taken place in the nightclub in paris if people have been armed. he sort of believes in this heroic vigilante i. if you arm the masses, you wouldn't have this kind of violence. that goes against everything law enforcement would say. they don't want teachers in there. marco rubio knew that. >> the law enforcement person on the stage again said that. and most police officers are people in law enforcement. >> my brother served as a police officer and i don't want him to face an ar 15 with a pistol. and i think this is an extraordinary moment. in colorado after the shooting in the aurora movie theater, that state passed five pretty serious bills that involved much stricter gun control.

those are still in place. the idea that the nra can block any kind of gun control. and watching that, it seemed to be blame law enforcement for the shootings. it troubled me because of my brother. law enforcement officials are facing it he have day. >> i'm going to play something else. on rubio's changing positions, what is your response? >> i think you will see other politicians move. this basic idea, a teenager, they can't drink alcohol but they can have an assault rifle. >> they're talking about large capacity magazines and his changing stance on that. >> senator rubio, able big issue when it comes to the debate with semi-automatic womens and automatic weapons is a large capacity magazine. would you agree that there is no place in our society for large

capacity magazines? >> i'll glad you asked that question. i traditionally have not supported looking at magazine clip size. after this, i'll reconsidering that position and i'll tell you why. i'll tell you why. because while it may not prevent an attack, it may save lives in an attack. and i'll let the authorities discuss, at the appropriate time, why i say that. suffice to it say that i believe there will be evidence that at a key moment in this incident, three or four people, three or four people, might be alive today because of something that this deranged killer did. had to do. and obviously, it is not for me to make law enforcement announcements. i don't know what the right number is. that i know there are, for example, handgun that's have 17. so we'll have to get into that

debate. that's something that i believe we can reach a compromise in this country and i'm willing to reconsider. i do believe in this instance, it didn't prevent, it wouldn't of prevented it but it might have made it less lethal. that's why these discussions are important. they do lead to you rethink positions after you've taken new information from people. american politics is the only part of our lives where changing your mind based on new information is a bad thing. we do it in he have other aspect -- every other aspect. >> i want to talk to you more about what happened at the white house today. i want to get his word on today. that was a surprising moment. he said he never thought about it. >> i think awe lot of republican who's have taken he standard republican positions. standard nra friendly positions. in the wake of this, where his

constituents were killed. number one, he is forced to reconsider it and number two, he is stlang in front of folks and process go a lot of information that frankly, i'm not sure that president trump could have gone back and forth with those students in that crowd as, you know, with as much care as senator rubio did. and that i agree with david and patrick. senator rubio probably does see himself as a future presidential candidate and wants to balk fine line between being sensitive to the times and still taking a traditionally conservative position. >> so the president held his own listening session at the white house and this thing that he mentioned about the possibility of teachers being armed, and the coach who was there at the school. if the coach had been armed is really raising some eyebrows. >> if the coach had a fire narm his locker when he ran at this guy, he was very beret.

he saved a lot of lives. but if he had a firearm, he wouldn't have had to run. he would have shot and that would be the end of it. this would only be for people very adept at handling a gun. it is called conceal carry. where a teacher would have a concealed gun on them. they would go for special training. and they would be there and you would no longer have a gun-free zone. >> not that he is going to implement this, but it raised some eyebrows. what is being made of this moment? >> did it raise some eyebrows and we saw some opposition to this where the president was talking about this idea. with least one person speaking out against that. this is not a new idea for this president. you may recall during the campaign, the president was talking about gun-free zones and saying that gun-free zones were like quote/unquote candy to bad

individuals. he proposed arming trained people. we saw not only during the president's own town hall but also this evening in florida, adamant opposition to this proposal. not only for the sheriff in that county who you heard opposing that idea. you even heard opposition from marco rubio who on stage said he didn't agree when it was proposed. what is new from what we saw today was a willingness to hear different ideas. typically we've sustain president repeatedly come out and very strenuously shut down debate on gun laws in america. this time we've seen the president show much more of a willingness to actually discuss that debate some of these ideas.

we saw the president engaging with these ideas. we didn't necessarily see him with the specific proposals but we did see him listen. the question what will be politically feasible for him to entertain? we did hear him suggest an openness to this possibility of raising the age for gun purchases, an idea that senator rubio endorsed. the question is whether he can get there when it goes to legislation. going beyond strengthening back ground checks. dana lash was also at the town hall and here she is, talking about the system being flawed. watch this. >> he was able to pass a back ground check because we have a system that's flawed. the air force did not report that record. >> i'm going to remind that you

the question is, do you believe it should be harder to obtain these semi-automatic weapons and modifications to make them fully automatic such as bump stocks. >> i think the atf is deciding about bump stocks right now. the president ordered the doj. >> i'll asking your opinion as a representative of the nra. >> that's what the nra's position has been. >> i'm talking for they will. these are the 5 million members that i'm here representing. >> so earlier aid student on who attended the town halls. and he said, i believe the quote is, that they're living in a fantasy world. >> david? >> two davids. sorry. >> i agree. we're supposed to have a system that can track 100 million american adults and know which one is mentally ill and which is not. and we can have this arms race where every one can have their own assault rifle with more and

more bullets and faster and faster firing. it was this tone of blaming law enforcement and blaming others for this situation. it is unrealistic. why do people need these womens. pistols and shotguns. >> and one thing we don't know, what we haven't heard is people like paul ryan and mitch mcconnell and others whose voices haven't been heard. it's find to come down and make out, make their positions. nerls the quid pro quo, where these members are very dependent on the nra and nra money -- >> sorry. they're not dependent on the money. >> oh, they are. >> the money doesn't mean these people are bought and paid for. i simply put up on the screen

how much money they've gotten from the nra. rubio got 3.2 million. >> just like donald trump had his talking points in his hand there. marco rubio had his talking points when cameron put that question to him tonight. would he take nra money, suggesting that the nra doesn't pay him, that he doesn't subscribe to their views because of money. they're sporting his agenda. as we know, that is a talking point. >> he showed up. the governor didn't. >> he's running -- >> the governor is term limited. marco rubio has a real political future. he wants one on the national stage. the reality is during the presidential race, you had the paris attacks, the san bernardino shootings, the pulse nightclub attacks, and it was donald trump engaging in the

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we're back now. how does a president, if he's going to change his position or do something different, how does he do it without alienating his base? >> i think this is a moment. of possibly being pivoting to the middle somewhat. >> his comments today, archy bunker like. >> he talked about playing -- arming teachers. again, this is different but watch this. >> an attack has lasted on average about three minutes. it takes five to eight minutes for responders, for the police to come in. so the attack is over. if you had a teacher, who was adept at firearms, they could

very well end the attack very quickly. >> president trump either hasn't considered or doesn't want to consider all the things that could go wrong that proposal. teachers firing into a crowd of students. teachers and police arriving on the scene of a hallway in a high school at the same time. what happens if something goes wrong? teach here's are not trained to be police but trained to teach, now being in the position of having to do both of those jobs. the gold standard for response is president obama. gabby gifford's travon martin, charleston. president obama went before the nation. made a case for unity and then in the case of sandy hook, tried but failed to get legislation passed. i think what you see with president trump, he got the tone

right. but he is susceptible of articling teachers because he doesn't come with a core set of beliefs. so he comes at it looking like he's doing something without actually doing anything. >> here is marco rubio talking about teachers tonight in the town hall. >> am i supposed to get more education to serve and protect on top of educating these children in. >> i don't support that. i say it as much as a father as a senator. this is about the safety of the teachers. imagine in the middle of the crisis, the s.w.a.t. team comes into the building and there is an adult with a weapon in their hands and the s.w.a.t. team doesn't who know is who and we have an additional tragedy. >> how will that go over at the white house? >> i think this idea of good guys with guns is spawned by the

nra. we heard the president talk about it during the campaign and the nra has poured millions of dollars to support the president during the 2016 election. so far we haven't seen the nra move in any way away from its traditional position on guns. they're continuing to stick with this idea that more guns could reduce gun violence. while we did see senator rubio move away slightly from his position, on the issue of purchase age for assault weapons, and some other issues, we haven't seen the president move away from it at all. and we didn't hear it this evening. that's very much an indication of where the white house is thinking. as of yet, we haven't seen him put that foot forward to show that he's willing to take political heat that he would need to to support theses types

of legislation. >> you said with the next sound bite, talking about gun purchases and the nra. >> how now is an 18-year-old with a military assault rifle well regulated? >> he's not. he shouldn't have been able to get a firearm. he should have been barred from get ago firearm. he should not have been able to. he should not have been able to purchase a firearm. >> so the what are you going to do about it? >> let me answer. if we're here to have a discussion, that's why i'm here. i want you to ask me every question. give me every question you have. >> let's have some respect. a, he should have never been able to get a fire article. people who are crazy shouldn't be able to get firearms.

c, people who are dangerous to themselves and other individuals should not be able to obtain a firearm. we-and there isn't a loophole. it is a criminal act and that's what we have to call it. we have to start, number one, following up on red flags. 39 times in the past year -- >> so there's so much to unpack there. there's the age thing. he was legally able to buy it. and i'm coming to you. and there's this idea about people who have mental issues. very rarely they are violent. that's the whole thing. and then they love mental health issues from a sociopath to someone who may have bipolar issues. >> it sound good to say guns shouldn't be in the hands of mentally ill people. but we do have gun laws and a lack of regulation on who can

obtain guns and what can stop people there obtaining guns in this country. she mentioned red flags and it was an attack on the fbi, that somehow they should have been able to stop him because they would have seen these red flags that would have led them to swoop in. but the reality is it is a political argument that she's making here. we can all agree that people who are mentally ill -- language that i think to david's point earlier is playing to a base that kind of likes to hear, yes, this makes sense. you shouldn't be able to arm mentally ill people. that doesn't do anything on who is or isn't able to buy guns. >> i would add that, look, i've

talked to dana at various points in time over the last few years. she is a very eloquent and well prepared paid spokesperson for the nra. when people are challenging the nra, if they want to get at the heart of their positions, the questions have to come to them differently. these students are passionate. they have really ramped up on the issues. and this community is grieving. why does someone like that need this? i think it has to be interrogated more. >> i understand you're standing up for the nra and i understand that's what you're supposed to do. you just told this group of people that you are standing up for them. you're not standing up for them until you say i want less womens.

>> so this is for you. sheriff, he's sitting there next to dana lash. at first you thought he was backing her up. no, you don't need these. >> most law enforcement officials, back to my own brother, they don't think these womens are needed. the tone is that it is everyone else's fault. the fault of law enforcement, medical facilities that are, families that are supposed to declare people mentally ill. why is this kind of weapon available? there was an attack in colorado where they do have these new gun control acts. the student had a machete and a shotgun. he killed one student and he was apprehended. it is about time when you have an ar 15, undo so much more damage quickly.

>> this has been the mode of the weapon of choice for these shootings. >> marco rubio was confronted about money he gets from the nra. i think it was like 3.2 million over the last three years. listen to this. >> we can't boo people because they're democrats is that boo people because they're republicans. anyone will to show change, no matter where they're from. anyone who is willing to make a difference is someone we need on our side here. and this is about people who are for making a difference to save us and people who are against and it prefer money. so can you tell me that you will not accept a single donation from the nra? >> the positions i hold on these

issues on the second amendment, i've held since the day i entered office as an elected official. the answer to the question -- >> he got $3.2 million. in the last election, the current president got $30 million. from the nra support. some of it was for ads, as patrick just informed me, ads against hillary clinton. he has to deal with that issue. >> that's right. and what is interesting, while marco rubio talked about the fact that he espoused these positions before even ascending to national prominence and getting money from the nra, the president on the other hand, previousi support tighter gun control measures. in 2000 in his previous book, he wrote about supporting the assault weapons ban, longer waiting periods to get guns. it was only when he began ramping up his preparations for

his 2016 campaign that the president began opposing any kinds of gun restrictions and talking about the second amendment. talking about ending gun-free zones in schools and other places. so while he says this has been his position the president doesn't really have that leg to stand on. on the day of the nra, one thing that we did not hear from her was talking, while she was talking about people with mental health issues, she didn't address whether or not they would support ending the loophole for private satisfies. that was kind of a big loophole in her own argument that wasn't exactly addressed this evening. >> you have to wonder, is this the high water mark of what he does? or the point he made earlier, is

he going to expend any time of political capital to get gun legislation through on capitol hill? he did what he needed to do. he sounded empathetic, he had his cards. is he going to move forward? i think the fascinating culture things are these students who are so eloquent, who ask questions better than jake tapper might have. >> there was no student trying on take jake tapper's job. >> i think the students deserved to get that. i'm over time if you can get it. >> key for senator rubio, the position is the follow-through. he was on the gang of eight and then he backed out. he was tough on trump on russia back when they were confirming cabinet secretaries and then he backed off.

will he follow through? it remains to be seen. >> thank you. when we come back, much more on the town hall.

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is marco rubio taking a new stand on guns saying he would prevent legislation to prevent an 18-year-old from buying a rifle. and saying he does not support arming teachers in the classroom. let's discuss it. hello to both of you. thank you for staying up late with us. here is what marco rubio said tonight. >> number one, i absolutely believe that in this country, if you are 18 years of age, you should not be able to buy a rifle and i will support that right away. i will support -- i will support the banning of bump stocks. i know the president has ordered the attorney general to do it. if he doesn't, we should do it

by law. i will support a back ground information that requires more information than it does now and all the information should be reported. let me tell you what i've done already. last year when we came one our budget in the senate, i pushed for and got approved $50 million a year through the sandy hook initiative to provide a threat assessment fund for all states to be able to stand up in each of the school districts, a way to identify people who could potentially do this and get ahead of it before it happens. i support moving forward on that initiative and making it widely available. >> so do you think this is an extraordinary moment? what did you think of what you heard tonight? >> i really want to believe marco rubio. and i think the challenge is whether it is marco rubio or others, it is hard to take them at their word. you talked about how much money

he has received from the nra. the nra is a treacherous point for those of us who believe in protecting lives above guns. revenue is what governs the nra and they are quite literally in the pockets of members of congress. until members of congress decide that our lives trump no, pun intended at all, we'll be in a really tough position. so it is hard to believe what he says. >> let's talk about that. the nra spent $3.2 million to support rubio in the last elections. tonight we saw him change his position in at least three gun issues. he says there. the age of people buying guns, articling teachers, is this a tipping point? >> not only a tipping point. a significant moment. when you look at what senator

rubio did tonight, he is the senator for that state. you have thousands of grieving people. the whole country is grieving for the 17 and the impact of the families and all those wounded. so he went to that stage, faced his constituents. what we saw him do is be willing and open to change his position on three things. our position should be, let's put everything on the table and figure out what will be feasible is that what actually deters things like the from happening again. not just being reactionary but let's find things that are specific can make a difference. you saw senator rubio come up with three things that he's willing to fight for. and i think his constituents should hold him to it. it was a very good moment for sxong senator rubio because he

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the president holding his own listening session today saying, he will get this done. here he is. >> i just want to say before we really begin, i want to hear you. we're going to be strong background checks, on the mental health of somebody, and we'll do plenty of other things. next tweak governors are coming in from most of the states. we'll have a serious talk about school safety and we'll cover every aspect of it. there are many ideas that i have and other people have and we'll pick out the strongest ideas. the most important ideas. the ideas that will work and we'll get them done. it won't be talk like it has been. it has been going on too long.

too many insubstantials. we're requestigoing to get it d. >> he said a number of times, we're going to get it done. >> i wonder who it was listening session for? was he supposed to be listening? that sounded lying eed like a l talking. you would think he would listen to them. the biggest concern i have, he talked about getting this done and getting it done. what exactly is the this and the it? that's the real challenge. >> there wasn't a lot of talk about guns at the listening session today. >> no. no. so again, we go to, i think my default is you need to ban assault weapons. and there's talk on, well, that hasn't been effective. i tried to have that conversation earlier.

and i think the issue here is, folks get caught up in the assault weapons but don't talk about the exemptions. >> i want to get paris in. 97% of americans support background checks if we can put that up. so that seems like no brainer there. 97% believe in that. and even the things that marco rubio, although he has changed his stance. there's broad support. i think most americans would not be happy with it. especially rifles. what do you think? >> well, i want to push back slightly what angela said about the listening session. if you watch the entire listening session, he gave some

comments. i was moved by the fact all of those students that were there, some at the school in parkland and other schools, and other instances, like columbine and other things, that were able to talk directly with the president and it was a powerful moment. i think to the point that we're all raising, we can talk about banning assault weapons. we can talk about things of that nature. george w. bush who i worked for, had a very large conference on school safety in 2007 after the incident that happened in virginia tech. so there is been a lot of talk and thoughtfulness. i think what trump wants to do is get something done. not only for the american people but the issue of school safety. there's a lot of issues that we're talking about. guns are one of them. that's true. but the issue of school safety. our schools are sitting there very vulnerable and we have to

address that issue. the safety of our students at school. not just high schools, college campuses and all the way down to elementary schools like we saw at sandy hook. so it will be on specifically school safety. >> weaponize go our schools, arming teachers doesn't necessarily make school safer. kit make them more dangerous. we have to have a fundamental conversation about what is safe. what does safety mean? what does it mean to have the right to bear arms? should it be any arms? there's large magazine weapons that may not be assault weapons. can we at least be open enough and not defensive so we can have those conversations? the issue is like, paris, you know this as well as do i, from working and touching legislation, we are masters at figure go out carveouts and

loopholes. as long as we figure it out in this space, people, kids, people in their places of worship are not safe. that's not okay. >> there's an old adage about ducking the issue and compromise. on this particular time that we are in our country, republicans and democrats will have to compromise. and i think the president has shown some willingness to compromise some issues. not for political reasons but for the people.

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however i spoke with her office and since the gun issue is really a policy issue that the west wing is dealing with, she wanted to stay away or this is not something she wanted to get involved with today. we heard from her, she's off often the first to tweet things like thoughts and prayers on the day of the shooting she was quick to take to her phone and do that. however today, as the west wing and the president grapple with the issue of gun control, this wasn't an issue she wanted to engage in. >> she's often seen by people as someone who softens him. and takes away the rough edges. that's the concern. why wasn't she there today? an issue like this. the white house announced ivanka trump will lead the closing at the olympics. and have dinner with south korea president. on friday. is this a type of thing you would expect from someone in her

position? >> it's interesting. she has this role of first daughter. which feels celebrityish. and also senior adviser. which feels a policy and political. she can walk that tight rope. this ceremony event we saw the pences there. now i vvanka for the closing ceremony. she's a winter sports enthuse yis. she is acted on behalf of america on other trips before. we saw her in germany and india. she was in japan. so it's not unusual that she's going to represent america abroad. and she is the senior most member of the delegation that's going to the closing ceremony. again it's that hybrid of the woman that the paparazzi chases. is at the same time being an adviser and being involved in policy issue and being involved in political issues. acting on behalf of her father the president.

>> according to to the white house. the purpose of the trip is cheer on american athletes. reaffirm the u.s. south korea alliance and celebrate the games. a lot of people wonder what her job is. is this a good role for her? >> we're seeing her in the nebulous role. although she's expanded her portfolio a bit and includes women issue and entrepreneurial businesses. she's still again the first dau. she's a trump. this isn't something the first lady seemed interested in going to or wanting to do. and again ivanka trump is the secondary emissary for her father over seas. and was excited about it. >> appreciate your time. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow. woah. plus, netflix for the whole family. on us. prrrrrrr...

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