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the latest reviews. the lowest prices. welcome to the second hour of 360. breaking news tonight. parkland, florida lays another victim to rest. a deputy forced out for allegedly doing nothing with the sho shots rang out. the answer the president thinks so. what a former top law enforcement thinks. new charges tonight against paul
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manafort and his former top aid. will it persuade one or both to flip. and trump is thinking about pulling every border agent out of california. the falkt that a school resource officer stayed outside of the building when the shooting began. martin savage with the latest. >> this school resource officer is a sheriff deputy. he is in uniform. and he carries a gun. this particular deputy scott pederson has been on the campus since 2009. on the campus at the time of the shooting and the question had been where was he during the tile of the murders taking place? today, broward county sheriff scott israel said a review had determined something very disturbing. the fact that the officer was right outside the building with a shooting fts was taking place.
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aware of something awful inside and did not go inside. a review finds he was outside the building for up to four minutes. remember the entire attack took just six minutes. the sheriff himself was sickened by ha what he said. here's what he said earlier today. >> devastated. sick to my stomach. there are no words. these families lost their children. we lost coaches. i have been to the funerals and the homes. i have been to the vigils. it's just there are no words. >> remember that ever since columbine that was 19 years ago the protocol for law enforcement has been any armed officer or any officer that first arrives or is this on scene must interact with an active shooter. if only to distract, hopefully
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to engage. the sheriff said he should have engaged. should have killed that shooter. instead, the officer did nothing. he was put on what was supposed to be suspension. instead the officer resigned. and immediately went into retirement. >> stunning report. appreciate that. a lot more tonight. now from retired fbi supervisor. special agent james gagliano on the phone. former police commissioner. and fbi special agent. james i wonder what you make of this. the man tasked with protecting the school couldn't or wouldn't. >> it's another gut punch. you and i were at the scene in  florida. and the visceral and emotion and pain and talking to the parents there and the students survivors. this is another piece of a failure in the system. now, we have to wait until the facts get in. we have to wait and give the
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sheriff the opportunity to do a deep dive. the initial reports on this they're beyond troubling. and unsettling. look, i served in the fbi for 25 yores. i served in combat. and i can tell you this, bravery is not the absence of fear. it's the mastery of it. not everybody is built for this line of work. there's a reason why it's a profession. it's not a job. for somebody to be on the outside to hear children screaming and hear guns going off, it's unsettling. now listen, there is no if there had been two officers there or three, or if we had armed school teachers. i don't think there's any pen see here. we try to move forward with sensible plans. >> chief, a lot of big city police forces. new york city and washington
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d.c. train for active shooter drills. they train to go in, hunt the shooterment shooter. engame them and shoot them. i suppose nobody knows how they'll react unless they encounter a situation like this. people think they'll be heros turn out to be cowards and people think they're cowards turn out to be heros. what does this say to you about the argument is the only way to stop bad guy with a gun is a good person with a gun? sfwl every situation is different. i don't buy into that. police officers are trained to respond immediately if there's a school shooting. we learn that after columbine. waiting for swat doesn't work. ideally a team of two officers or three. the bottom line is if you pull up to school and hear shots fired you go in and confront the gunman and try to neutralize
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him. i have heard at conversation about arming teachers. i don't think that's the right move. teachers are there to teach. it's more than handling a firearm. you need to understand the law. when can you use deadly force against an individual. who commonly occurs in schools is not school shootings. simple assaults that take place. teachers and student. maybe an outsider comes into the school. what happens when you have an armed teacher that gets shove d by a 15 year-old kid. how will they respond to that? they can't respond with deadly force. it has to be thought there. it's unfortunate this sor didn't respond. that doesn't mean wrou don't need to have school resource officers. >> the few times i have been witness to a gunfight or involved where people are shooting around me. you have no idea how you'll respond. adrenaline kicks in and you
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don't often think straight. to this idea the officer i don't know if he didn't think straight or made a wrong decision. or what afraid or whatever. to the idea that teachers with some training could be trained to react in the correct way, does what happened to this officer did that raise questions about training teachers for this? >> it's a good point. obviously there are a few sides of the debate. there are instances if you look in the past of good people being in the right place at the right time. with a firearm. so that's one side of the argument. the ore side it's really important for folks to understand what you were mentioning. is if we arm the teachers what is the level of training they'll receive? the goal was to achieve maximum proficiency. muscle memory. in a real situation the
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stressful moment will kick in. and they'll degrade the level of accuracy. many i fear is if we arm teachers without being highly trained it will result in sending bullets down range without the precision. it compounds a situation and makes it more dangerous. >> how much could the calculus have changed if the man did what he was tasked to do? >> you have to look at it from this perspective. generally speaking law enforcement officers when they are training on a range the rounds aren't coming back at them. the average proficiency 75%. 85% maybe good shots. what studies have shown is that when people have rounds coming back at them in an adversary contact. most of the contacts happen within five to seven yard. it trop drops down to 18%. think about that. that's one out of five rounds maybe strike the target. look, the army schoolteacher
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thing i think is a fools errand. there are sensible solutions. however having said that, there are a number of retired law enforcement officers that do work in schools and are teachers. i'm a prime example. schools are gun free zones. when you have law enforcement officers that are retired that have concealed carry permits but are restricted from carrying a weapon. if i would have been there at this high school i would have been unarmed as well. these are things we need to think about. none of the things can be solved with one specific thing. we have to look at this together and try to come to a sensible solution. >> james gagliano. josh camp bell. appreciate it. the panel with me. you received firearm training when you were with the the fbi. how do you see in? >> james and josh made great
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points. the training is key. we went through four months of daily, thousands of round of training to get the muscle memory. you have to remember swat teams get more than that. they're there not obl get the firearms training but to master the fear. as james said. this idea that you're going to give guns to teachers. even if they're accurate. especially out gunned if somebody comes in with an assault rifle. firing more round and can do damage even when they're not accurate. it's asking for just even more tragedy. >> is arming teachers a good idea? >> what we're talking about the is the hardening of the schools. you have law enforcement that said monday they'll have officers with rifles at the campuses. there is the belief that hardening the schools does have an impact. maybe it's a deterrent. where somebody thinking of doing a negative action said it's not
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so smart. there will be a quick response. i don't know if it's teachers. the president is saying if we're hardening the students lock at the teachers and the available assets. the retired law enforcement who can play a role. there are rel roles to play. the hardening of schools is something to look at. i want to see the debate. it has to be something. >> there was of course reported arm d guard at marjory stoneman douglas. at columbine. virginia tech. which had the worst campus shooting in history had a police force of 50 agents. and fort hood. 42,000 soldiers. and the police brigade. thousands of soldiers armed and trained. patrolling. it didn't stop it. we need to learn from the military. when we were losing soldiers to
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ied. we responded to mitigate the damage. the high armored hum vees. and the pentagon said it's not enough. to hope fewer guys get blown up. move left of the boom. that is on the time chart. let's get the before they place them. let's involve before the terrorists are killing our guys. that's what we need to do. hardening the schools i understand i really do. i'm not against guards or cops. arming teachers is nuts. if we think hard about how to intervene in somebody's life. before he becomes a threat. how to keep guns out of the hand of troubled dangerous people. that's going to be a productive conversation. >> i would say that i think sometimes we're talking around this issue. because the fact is we have a gun violence problem in our country. that is obviously keeps surfacing with each one of the
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circumstances. and what we have seen from other countries which i think we can learn from and how they handled it is when aus tail ya and other places had massive shootings. many in schools. they cracked down and took steps legislatively and through government action to reduce the number of guns. bh we're talking about heartening schools, it's telling that the people on one side of the debate are the nra who think we should arm teachers. and donald trump who got $20 million from the nra in the last election. and the other side are teachers and administrators and law enforcement. that tells you a lot about whether that's the right -- >> there's consensus for hardening schools: parents will demand it. parents of victims saying the schools need to be safer. not even addressing guns. that's going to happen. paul's point is correct. on getting to the left of the
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boom. this is not a generalized gun violence problem. we have many more guns in the society than in the 1990s. gun crime has gone down. this is a specific problem involving people who don't have prior criminal records who are troubled, deranged or mentally ill. somewhere on the spectrum and the effort should be to stop them from getting guns. the best idea that i have seen in the last week is for enhanced gun violence restraining orders. where a family member or people who are close to the disturbed people like this horrible perpetrator in florida can go to a judge and say he shouldn't be able to possess or buy a gun. and there will be due process. you're respecting the right. if we had the ability in florida i'm confident the people who dropped a dime on him would have gone. >> there was a piece by a psychiatrist. in the times. it was today or yesterday. she was confronted with a family brought in a young man who had
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written about shooting up a school. possess weapons. and there was very little she could do. to hold this person. he said no that's talking online. there was nothing she could do to imprison him. and force on him. >> i think the unpopular reality of this as we try to find solutions is that our constitutional system didn't allow for one blanket solution to this. it has to we have certain protections whether it's fourth amendment. or second amendment rights. there's all kind of different protections that don't allow for some of the sweeping ideas from other sides. that people just do something. we can't just do something. there's checks and balances as a result of that. in a sweeping way. specific things. the point to the gun violence protection order is a good start. there has to be due process. the idea of the extending baker
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act. i heard the sheriff at the school last night suggested. you have to be careful with that. who will make the determinations. we have to start with i think hardening schools for sure. new jersey that debate started. also fixing the system a so you can catch it beforehand. there were so many warning signs and it failed. the president's take now that he has us talking about teachers and guns. familiar faces new indictments in the russia probe by robert muellerer. new charges against manafort and gates. ♪
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prrrrrrr... ...at t-mobile. . we're talking about arming teachers a way of reacting to or preventing the next school shooting. the reason we're talking about is largely because president trump has been talking about it. and supports it. more from the white house. how did the president roll out this notion today? he talked about it yesterday sfl for the second day in a row the president had a listening session here. today it was state and local officials from law enforcement and schools. he said he wants to be the president to ends this problem. he said too many presidents have sat around talking about it. not working to end it. of course talking about arming those school teachers and officials. he talked about video games. they're far too violent. a variety of thins he talked about on social media and the meeting. one consensus ran through it
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all. more guns are needed. gun free sooens he said in schools essentially create more problems. but he said student shooter wouldn't come into schools if they knew people were armed. the idea of suicide by cop is very familiar. that's what shooters do. arming a schoolteacher that would mean suicide by history teacher or something else. a controversial proposal. >> is there any indication how the white house plans to turn the ideas into action? >> that of course is the open question here. the president said he's been talking to lawmakers. republicans and democrats. next week i'm told he'll convene meeting with lawmakers once they come back to washington. the question is will he lead the party beyond the discussions. will he actually confront the nra. the only division today was that age limit for buying these weapons. he said 21 is a good age. nra says stay at 18.
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next week he will start talking with law marks as well as the nations governors. we'll see if legislation actually comes of it. >> thanks. the president notion of arming teachers and controversy. especially among teachers. in ts last hour three educators. each who survived a school hooting. one from columbine. one fl sandy hook. one who sheltered kids last week. would the president disagree and take on the nra publicly to raise the age to buy a rifle? >> he is the only person who could do this. he said i'm the only one who could fix it. he probably could. it out lawed banned assault weapons and malgzs. it required a background check. the nra hated it.
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republicans still worship reagan. they name airports after them. he's still a hero. didn't hurt reagan a bit. obama couldn't get anything through. this president is he could do so much. not just this thing about the age. which would be fine. i think they're playing a game with the bump stock idea. which he says we'll let the justice department and the atf look at it. it's clear from lawyers. it's a minor law. what he ought to do is go with reagan went. assault weapons. if you want to cut down on mass shootings. most street crime not assault weapons. mass shootings an assault weapon is built for mass shooting with a high capacity clip. that's how the animals do that. clinton could have never gotten it done. trump could. >> there's an opening because of senators. including what marco rubio suggested. today senator roberts of kansas who also has taken money.
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13th most money in the senate. from the nra. he came out and supported raising the age limit on ar 15 rifles. however you want to debate that public policy, issue. whether the advocacy is valid or not. that debate is going to happen as you see republicans finding cover on this. given the president's position. the banning of assault weapons sounds good. but before marco rubio was shouted down he was making a valid policy point. about what happens when you do that. if you ban the way the it's currently written, it's about 200 different types of rifles. there's like 2,000 guns and certain modifications they will make modifications around that. unless you ban all of them which will not happen. nor should it. the majority of gun violence in the country doesn't have with assault weapons. the fbi doesn't keep stats on the assault weapon crime because
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it happens so infrequently. again it goes back to what is the policy here. and whether that's actually going to work. versus what makes people feel fwood. >> there's a danger the bar is so low. we haven't been able to baa obama there's nothing he wanted more to get gun reform through. he was unsuccessful. that was painful. raising the age or bump stocks that's such small ball. it's like giving advil to a cancer patient and saying you cure them. it's tiny. if you want to solve the problem, if trump wants to solve the problem. he's the person who can do this. he should fight for waning assault weapons. semi-automatic weapons. he should fight for registry. and criminal background checks not just background checks. what he's referring to maybe fixing the nix system. which is small. there are big specific things he can do. if he wants to to be a leader,
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those are the things he should be doing. >> you should ban handguns too? they are semi-automatic. what's the difference. >> mass killings. >> the big rallying cry for nra is enforce the laws on the book. three big holes. background checks. only required for federally licensed gun dealers. 60% of gun transfers go to people with no background check. the second that states have to voluntarily provide information to be included in nix. the data base that the background check is run against. 13 states comply. the federal government can't make them do it. the third is only eleven states require the reporting of stolen firearms. and stolen firearms are used in crime. it didn't happen in this case. we're talking about the facts of the immediate case.
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special counsel robert
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mueller is back. issuing new indictments against paul manafort and his long time associate rick gates who worked on the trump campaign. chock full of details about millions of dollars being flung around the planet and hidden. joining us now is cnn legal analyst. is a indictment can you cut through the weeds for us. explain what's in it, why it's significant. >> this case this indictment is about bank fraud and about tax fraud. so what gates and manafort are alleged to have had done was erp earned millions of dollars over seas chl stashed it in foreign accounts and instead of lawfully reporting it as income in the united states. they funneled it to different types of vendors. whether it was service providers or clothing providers or real estate. or services for those. what they did is therefore they evaded paying millions of dollars worth ov taxes. lying to the government and lying to banks. >> i want to be clear. the indictment doesn't mention
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the trump campaign. but paul manafort. they're facing serious charges. mueller is trying to get them to flip or agree to a plea deal. this would be leverage. >> certainly. these charnls 32 different counts. carry decades. if they were at the max penalties carry decades worth of years in jail for each of them. the strait the strategy is given their role in the campaign. their knowledge about how money moves around the world. if there was an allege about money coming into the trump campaign from over seas. these would be the guys who know how to do it. if the special counsel can convince gates to plead guilty. which has been an ongoing question whether or not he will do so. he would be able to turn on
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manafort. and that would provide devastating witness evidence against manafort in addition to the extensive documentation that's contained in the indictment. >> let me ask the reverse. what incentive do they have to resist a plea deal. unless the case is weak? it's a big roll of the dice for each of them. especially if manafort loses he could die in jail. >> incredible expo sure. given the details. the documents the special counsel has. they have dates. amounts of money. locations of where the money went. pages sp pages in the indictment. their incentive for not cooperating, really is a big question mark. whether or not they think they're going to get a pardon. we don't know. whether or not they think they could beat this. obviously manafort issued that statement tonight. thinking they could beat it. there's tremendous amount of evidence and detail laid out in
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this indictment. >> back now with the panel. is there any way to interpret this other than robert mueller ratcheting up the pressure to spill everything they know in exchange for a plea deal? >> it's a spectacular amount of pressure. the most interesting thing is the dog that didn't bark. the president hasn't said anything. when's the last time we have said that sentence? donald trump has been silent about the manafort case. very smart. he's listening to you. discipline. a word you don't use with him. if he praises and defends manafort the way he did general kelly for a while. people will say he's setting him up for a pardon. which even his ally graham said. would be the end of the presidency. if he attacks him, you might flip him. he's got to be silent. this is the only time i think i have seen him be this disciplined and silent.
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good for him. >> it's so far from fantasy. it's we are where we are. >> i was praising him for once sfwl we invested a lot of money and air time that this collusion thing took place. people have been looking into carter page since 2014. they have been following his connection. and we're multi-millions of dollars into this investigation. they hired more people than the senior management of the trump campaign to investigate it. going on longer than the trump campaign existed. kp we're at no collusion. we can fill up the cable time and the trump haters can pray something will bring him down. manafort is the target of this investigation. and gates will flip. >> this is it? towards the end. >> going back to 2014 they have been monitoring carter page. and knowing everything is leaked in the d.c. that leaks negatively towards trump. we haven't seen anything. manafort is -- >> fairs we haven't seen much of
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anything we haven't seen anything mueller has. we were surprised by the george papadopoulos. the 13 indictments to the russians. >> we continue to be surprised. it's not just collusion. it's obstruction of justice. it's not just a sole piece of this. >> and possible financial crimes. why. what motivates them. follow the money. >> they have a top money laundering attorney. >> it reminds when manafort was desperate to get onto the trump campaign and not be paid money. why that? there are questions that come up. the fact is we have no idea. we're guessing about what mueller has. what he's shown is he'll surprise us. chase this until the ends. if yoir indicted you maybe indicted again. if anything it's the tail is much longer than we thought it was. >> what we know what we already
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knew. paul manafort is a shady operator. who shouldn't have been within a hundred miles of the trump campaign or any campaign. he had real trouble attracting respectable talent. >> except carter page. >> my understanding and you'll know this bert than i do, the tax cases once you have them on paper they are really hard to fight. you can make the case without any argument. you let people look at documents. i agree. he's under major pressure. we don't know whether he knows anything about trump that is pernicious or not. >> we know that mueller is continuing this pressure. he does have a keen interest in manafort. if the idea is get him to flip. it means he has mueller has somebody higher up the chain. the other thin that's curious about the indictment it brought the eastern district of virginia. because the crimes were committed in virginia. and one the defendants at least
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didn't want to waive venue. they want it to happen there. >> why would that be? >> one of the things is that there are some states where it's a federal government prosecutes first the state is procolluded from filing state charges. if virginia is one of those cases and angling for a pardon. they are inoculating themselves from being prosecuted by the state. >> there's reaction i should point out from the manafort camp. and more on the conversation when we continue. rer. the whisperer? why do they call him the whisperer? he talks to planes. he talks to planes. watch this. hey watson, what's avionics telling you? maintenance records and performance data suggest replacing capacitor c4. not bad. what's with the coffee maker? sorry. we are not on speaking terms.
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there's reaction tonight from the manafort camp to the new charges against him. a spokesman putting out a statement. quote innocent of the allegations set out in the newly filed indictments and confidence he will be acquitted of all charges. the new allegations have nothing to do with russia and 2016 election interference. collusion. he's confident he will be acquitted. violations of his constitutional rights will be remedied. >> good luck with that. anyone read the details of this indictment will see that paul manafort was engaged in significant financial crimes. the offshore accounts. the people he worked for in the ukraine. were pro-russia. and they were doing all kind of very shady things there. >> why would he have joined the
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campaign? with all the spotlight. >> it was desperate times call for desperate measures. at the time he joined the campaign he was not making money. the way he used to. the ukraine money dried up. he owed people money. >> some russians a lot of money. >> the russian aluminum who he worked if for for years. suing him for $18 million. those guys don't exactly send you a lawsuit in the mail. he had he was manipulating money with real estate loans. forging financial documents. tangible things the special prosecutor has proven things of fraud. good luck. >> if you are doing all these things you would think the last thing you would do is i'm going for the most high profile job and give interviews and be the face of the campaign. until they say i'm not. >> hue brus. that's why you get away with
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these things. to lie to the fbi. they find out. >> he's one of the guys who can figure out he can get away. >> or sell access. >> the idea is -- there was all the talk is rick gates going to flip. if he flips on manafort that puts more pressure on manafort. and -- >> if this is the end game and the biggest fish that mueller will get. there's nowhere to go. this is just about putting manafort in jail until he dies. if he's not willing to plead for something else. to get that sweet deal, manafort has to be able to get information. what is that information? as we were talking about before. he was agreeing to work for the campaign for free. under foreign intelligence surveillance. the government had evidence that he was likely working on behalf of a foreign intelligence service. we know from the first indictment. receiving money from foreign.
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he broke his bail. this guy was the head of the campaign. whether or not trump knew about it. we need to be concerned that if he was sent there by the russians and he was there. that's a huge -- >> donald trump jr. about the meeting and jared kushner about whatever. other people that he was meeting. >> what was the purpose of that? again. maybe the other two people in the meeting were unwitting or innocent. what was the intent of russia if they were connected to intelligence. what were they trying to obtain. >> they changed the republican platform during the convention. it became pro-russia in ukraine. something republicans had. that wasn't a normal policy. that's the only change they made to the platform. seems suspicious to me. manafort worked for the pro-russian ukraineens and took
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money from them. why? >> he'll have to answer for his actions. he was under surveillance for a number of years. they had been following this guy. the fbi leaks probably more than anybody else during the first six mornts of the trump administration. before mueller came on, nothing. we have innuendo. it hads to a story line. we have fog. part son fog. what we don't have is after years of investigation of an agent is i that leaks the way it does, intelligence community that leaks against the administration. we don't have that direct tie. >> we'll talk to tom freedman coming up. why has donald trump of all the people he's criticizing. his own administration. not said anything negative about vladimir putin? >> i don't know why. i see his actions. he drew a red line when they attacked there with chemical
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weapons. >> weapons on the little airfield? >> look at ukraine. the engagement. what you see is time after time president engaging russia in a proactive american way. that isn't that's contrary to the narrative that people want to play that he's a puppet to putin. the. >> i don't anything really knows the answer to that question. maybe there's some deep terrible secret. my guess it's donald trump being donald trump. he thinks the whole russia thing it's fake news. it's under mining legitimacy of the election and his presidency. and never gives an inch. never makes a concession against spres. he won't say anything. it would have been better served from the beginning to say the russians hacked. and that's wrong and shouldn't happen again. it's not hard to say that sfwl his actions are very aggressive. not sanctioning putin when congress ordered him to do it.
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president trump insists that he has been tougher on russia than president obama was. "new york times" columnist tom friedman's piece about the president and russia in which he said, quote, our democracy is in serious danger went viral, i spoke with tom earlier. tom, you call this a code red. you write, our democracy is in serious danger. president trump is either totally compromised by the russians or is a towering fool or both. but either way, he has shown himself unwilling or enable to defend america against pa a russian campaign to divide and undermine our democracy. i mean, i was really stunned by just his tweet, his response alone on the friday when those indictments came out. it was all about himself. it was nothing about manning the ramparts, how we're going to marshal the full resources of the u.s. government to make sure this never happens again. >> well, that's not surprising, i know, to you, anderson, or to me. because let's be clear. donald trump is still president of the trump organization.
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and donald trump fan club. and he moonlights as president of the united states, when it is convenient for him. his reaction is so off that it seems to me very clear now. he is either totally compromised by the russians. they either have some financial thing on him or some sexual thing on him, from his days running miss universe in moscow, or he is a towering fool. a towering fool who actually believes vladimir putin, as trump told us, that when he asked putin whether he was guilty of this, putin said, no, absolutely not. so why does that -- why is that so dangerous for us? because trump has violated the norms of being a president ever since he's become president, okay? he's -- with his incessant -- tweeting, the now several thousand lies and misleading statements he's made in just his first year. the way he abuses his own cabinet secretaries. we've never seen a president violate the norms of his office
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this way. but in what he did in failing to react to this clear and present danger of russia intervening in our elections as defined by his intelligence chiefs, two of whom he appointed, by failing to respond to that, with he's not violating the norms of his office, he is violating the oath of his office. >> the bottom line for you, this goes beyond this president of russia. you truly believe that american democracy is at stake here? >> oh, yeah. i mean, what -- what are our crowned jewels? what is the thing that really distinguishes us the most from any other country? and that is that we have free and fair elections and rotations in power, that the winner cedes to the loser in the presidency every four or eight years, and they do so peacefully. what are we seeing all over the world, with erdogan in turkey, with putin in russia, with xi jinping, lord knows, in china? we're seeing leaders who don't rotate power. who pervert their elections in ways that ensconce them in
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power. we are on that road. we will be on that road if you imagine -- imagine, anderson, in our next election, if they don't just do this on twitter or facebook. if they actually get into voting systems in a state or a city. what if we cannot trust the actual voting results? that's the end of our democracy. so, so as i say, what would a real president do right now? first of all, in the face of those reports last week, you would have gone on national television and said, my fellow americans, i need to educate you on the scale of the problem, as my intelligence chiefs have been telling me. second, he would have called together all the stakeholders, local and state election officials, national election officials, the social networks, the leaders of the two parties, and say, we have to put in place defense passive -- defensive measures, to make sure this not only stops what the russians are doing now, but prevents them from doing it in the future. and thirdly, you would have
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called together your national security team, and say, look what putin is doing. putin is using social networks to spread lies about our democracy. what we're going to do is go on the offensive against him. we're going to throw a high fast ball, right under his chin, and we are going to use the same systems to spread truth about his autocracy. how about a little fire, scarecrow? how about a few stories about all the money putin has stolen, the billions he's socked away? how about all the people he's made disappear? where are we in that? sitting back and every day twiddling our thumbs and saying, woe is me, the russians aren't here, or trump simply making it all about himself. that is a dereliction of duty. >> tom friedman, thanks very much. >> well, we'll be right back. more news ahead. than♪ you. imagine if the things you bought every day... earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go.
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