that's 168 letters in 21 words. the locals don't use the official name much, of course, but only foreigners call the citibank sock. thais usually call their cap krun tay which means city of angels. thank you for being part of my program. i will see you next week. i'm brian sell thor it's time for reliable sources. our weekly look at the story behind the story of how the media really works and how the nooes news gets made. this hour glen beck is here and he has lots to say about the town hall in florida and the conspiracy theories about the students who survived the mass shooting. one those students is also here to respond to the attacks against him. there's been a lot of news about the nra this work, the organization claiming that the media loves mass sheetings. we're going to talk about how offensive that remark is with a

23-year-old journalist who's had to cover three of these in three years. first, let's take a trip with that man right there. let's go open a trip to president trump's fantasy land. everything he says, it's rosy. everything's up, everything's getting better he says even as robert mueller's probe is looking worse aworse for his white house. the new approval data showing president trump at 35 percent. this matches his record low in cnn polling and he remains at a historically low level for a president at that point in his presidency. 35%. i want 0 show that you data first before i show you the fantasy land version. had the spin that's out there courtesy of fox news. president trump called into shapiro's show last night and she went over the top in her praise of him. watch. >> there's a poll that puts you at 50%, at cpac you're at 93%

approval rating. you did all this in one year with the economy. >> okay. did you see what she put on the screen there, that cpac poll. this that was a straw poll taken of the attendees of the annual conservative conference. most of the people there are very supportive of president trump. that's not a surprise. that's like asking people at a yankees game how much they love the yankees, okay. it would be asking about the eagles given that the eagles won the super bowl. now, president trump calls into the show, he gets all this positive reinforcement, he gets told how his approval ratings are soofrar, but let's put that back up on screen, he's at 35%. now you noticed she mentioned some other poll, 50%. that's a ras muse son poll that's not strong enough it's not one that cnn even cites because it doesn't meet our standards. i think this san example of trump's fantasyland.

he's willing to give an interview to one of his friends who tells him how great he is, where the real data tells a story that's much worse, much more troubling for his white house. we've seen this over and over again recently. the president says one thing in his fantasy land at facts show otherwise. this weekend he's saying that the democrat memo that's supposed to rebut the nunes memo, he says the memo is nothing when in fact the democratic memo made a lot of news. now it seems president trump was watching the coverage of this memo on fox on saturday. you could tell because he was basically live tweeting fox news. but even when fox news told him the truth, even when fox got it right, president trump got it wrong. i want to show thank you because it's a really stark example of the president misquoting what he's hearing. here's something that the president tweeted. let's put his tweet on the screen about schiff. he says congressman schiff omit and distorted facts. you can see there's quote marks. then he goes on to attack schiff. but the point is he's quoting fox news saying that schiff was

distof distorting key facts. i wondered where was he getting that from? here is the sound bite from fox news where he got it. >> congressman schiff, he had the republican memo omit and distorted key facts. >> did you see what just happened there? the fox news anchor correctly quoted adam schiff saying that the republican memo distorted key facts. so you have schiff, a democrat, criticizing the republican memo. president trump took five words out of quote, turned the quote around, made it about schiff. if i did that in english class, if i did that in english class, i would be given an "f." i would flunk the assignment. but this is what president trump does all the time. he takes something that he wants to believe and he says that it happened. this is what i mean by a fantasyland. and we've also been seeing this in the wake of the mass shooting in florida. it was remarkable to see the president leading these

listening sessions at the white house. but now when he's at cpac, when he's calling into the show, he's promoting this idea of arming more and more teachers. let's look at how he framed this at cpac. >> the teacher would have shot the hell out of him before he knew what happened. >> this ridiculous rhetoric has to stop. this is part of trump's fantasyland. first of all, the national debate about this should be about stopping all shootings, not just school shootings. it shouldn't just be about teachers and students. second, this is fantasyland thinking. let's talk the las vegas massacre. there were many officers both at the concert and inside the man allay bay hotel and 58 people still died. we've got to provide the proper context for these ridiculous quotes that are out there. even if president trump prefers to live in a fantasiland, journalists have to at least try to help him see the reality. joining me noun is dan rather, former anchor of the cbs evening

news. he currently anchors the nus with dan wrather on the young turks streaming network and in washington this weekend, sara, and dug high a cnn politico commentator. doug, let me start with you. sometimes when i try to point out these missed quotes and miss attributions, the sloppiness are, the misleading rhetoric, i got a lelot of people that say brian, we know. you don't need to tell us at that point. is is thereny value in trying to point out the daily deflections and spin? >> there's no so much noise it's hard to filter these things through. it's hard to point out where things are right and wrong. let me say i've been invited on the shapiro show several times before i was on cnn and i'm proud to say that i said no every time, and not just because it was on a saturday night. this show and other shows on fox and other shows on other networks i think take their rhetoric to the extreme. i think there's no better

example of that than janine shapiro's show which is why i'm proud i always said no to their show. it's important to hold any politician account ableabl. all the fact checkers who set themselves up to be independent ashtors of truth have their own biases that need to be brought out. and that's why you see so many negative reactions not just from republicans on capital hill but folks from cpac and conservatives in the media as well. fact checking is important but it needs to being done on an even handed level. trump creates some biases on its own which is its own problem. >> sara, what's your impression? you heard president trump up there on stage, he was giving a campaign style stump speech. is this what he prefers to be doing, trying go back to what worked so well for him during the campaign? >> i think we've seen that more and more, whether it's calling into a fox show which was a tactic that he deployed very frequently during the campaign

to allow him to sort of blitz all media coverage tho to these more free wheeling speeches which is his preference rather than giving the structured kind of remarks that are required of a president. president trump really feeds off the energy of crowds. so the cpac crowd was very friendly and i think that his speech sort of went off the rails at certain points because he was sort of interacting with the audience at one point i'm sure you noticed he inexplicably asked the audience to clap for whether they preferred tax cuts to the second amend pent. it's something that doesn't totally make a lot of sense intellectually but he liked the fact that the crowd was loving him and that amped him up a lot. >> dan rather, as someone who has been covering presidents for decades, have you seen this kind of fantasyland think organize behavior before? >> no. we've certainly seen behavior we didn't like but nothing like this. this is new pit do think that most people get it. that most people understand that they're facing on a daily basis from the white house and from

the president himself the rough equivalent you're facing a fertilizer spreader in a windstorm. and it is past the point of shock with the president that donald trump, in his mind, you can argue he's delusional. he thinks he's triumphant. you say well he's 35% approval ratings, how you can think that? i have no explanation, but that's what he thinks. he does have some things going for him. the economy being for one thing. but this business on guns and the shooting in parkland, i think has damaged his standing. i think one reason you're seeing a drop in the polls to 35%. but i will say this. if you want to judge where president trump whether he's really in deep trouble, the mark is 30%. if his approval rating gets 30% or below, this is richard nixon country during watergate. 30% or above, can he probably keep himself going and hold out some hope of keeping the house and the senate in november. >> he's been between 30 and 40. cnn had him at 40 last month,

now back to 35, gallop has him at 37 right now. he's been in the same range for a while. but you say we're beyond shock at this point. do you think there's less use in journalists trying to check the false claims? >> not only i think it's useful i think it's imperative now more than ever is when the press needs to be a kind of truth squad for this and every other president. it's perhaps more important with president trump because there are more untruths so to set record sprait straight. but if ujournalists cower, as some democrats and republicans in congress cower with the nra, if journalists cower, then how long can we sing we're the home of the brave? >> that last question and this goes to doug high, because, dug, you were a former rnc communications director i know you've thought about this issue of guns for a long time. how much activism do you see in the coverage in the wake of parkland and how much do you think journalists are overstepping their bounds? >> i honestly see a ton of it.

i think there are changes that could and should be made, but i see a ton of it on every day. if you talk to republicans outside of washington, d.c. on the issue of guns, abortion, gay marriage, climate change, they see an activist press that basically issues the talking points of the left every day. i was at a farm two weeks ago in fletcher, north carolina, friend's farm of mine where there was a big cookout and what i heard so often was in talking about the press was that the press essentially does act as the left. and so it's one thing to have conversations in new york and in washington, d.c.. but when people outside of the country see and hear every day is a press that they feel is against them if you're talking to republican voters. that not only echoes what trump says, it means to e means they're listening to what trump says whether on the janine shapiro shows or other shows and taking marching orders interest them. it's a serious thing and that's why it's incumbent upon the press to make sure they get it right every time. if the press makes as a mistake,

it's not viewed as a mistake it's bias and that's a problem they need to deal with going forward. >> we've set the table for the hour. thank you to the three of you. when we come back, much more on these topics that we've started to address. a leading voice from the parkland school shooting activism pain. david hogg, you've seen him on television, he's going to join me here with dan rather for an interview you don't want to miss miss. from you whether you do well or not, fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. when heartburn hits... fight back fast with tums smoothies. it starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue...

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mass shooting in america we'd be moving on. some reporters would remain on scene trying to find out what the motive was and find out about the survivors, but most reporters would be home by now or maybe they'd be off covering the next shooting. clearly this time is different. the school shooting in parkland, florida, is still very much in the news and that's in large part thanks to the work of the students from the high skol who are becoming activists now. who are planning a march that's less than a month from today that's expected to draw thousands. now we've seen several of these student activists, these leaders take to the airwaves not just after the shooting but again this weekend trying to keep their cause on the forefront of everyone's minds. there are other reasons why the shooting still remains in the news as well. one of them are the excuses, these ridiculous excuses we're hearing from the police about their failures to enter the school more quickly and try to save lives.

there's also a third reason why it remains in the news. those extra theories you've bhaerd. these sick sneers have been published on the web. these conspiracy theories are a form of pollution. they poison the media environment and they make all of us sick. it's a challenge for technology companies, a challenge for news rooms, a challenge for politicians and for all of us as ordinary users of the web to try to come to grips with all of these theories, these lies, these hoaxes that spread virally after a tragedy. so let's start there with david hogg. he's a senior from marjory stoneman douglas high skol who survived the shooting and was able to capture video during and after and he's now been a subject of these attacks. and dan rather is also back with us here at the table. david, i have a lot i wanted to ask you but i have to start with these terrible youtube twitter theories. you can search your name on twitter right now, these lies

but being an actor are still at the top. how are you feeling about that? >> it's great. it's great advertising honestly. these people are doing an amazing thin in the sense that they're showing how disgusting they are. the fact they're calling on me as a witness of this horrifying incident saying i'm an actor, crisis actor, it shows how sad i feel for those people, honestly. because they've lost faith in america and we certainly haven't, but that's okay because we're going outlive them. >> going to outlive them. >> absolutely. >> do you think google and facebook and twitter should do more, though, to try to tamp down this pollution? >> honestly, these people that have been attacking me open immediaty, not the media, the people that have been attacking me on the social media, they've been great advertiser. every since they started attack meg my twitter following is now over a quarter million people. people have continued ton cover us in the media and for that i honestly thank them. >> i'm ex-pressed by that reaction. i don't know how you'd react given it's been a week of these lies on the web. >> they're just proving what everybody else is saying that

they're disgusting individuals that has lost faith in america. >> ha about keeping this movement in the spotlight. it's been ten, 11 days since the shooting. i know you all are planning the march for march 24th. how are you all thinking about trying to keep your movement in the headlines? >> those trolls on line are going a great job of it. we're trying to stay in the headlines by reacting to what the nra is saying trying to point out what dana is trying to do, i believe she's the ceo of the nra. she's trying to distract people. >> she's the national spokeswoman. >> and as such these a nationalal prop gandist for the nra. if you listen to her she's not really saying anything, she's sounding positive and confident and that's what she wants the people in the nra to believe. she wants them to think that she's on their side but she's not. she's working with the gun manufacturers. >> so you're trying to drive a wedge between the nra leadership and its members? >> she's doing that herself. she doesn't care about them or police.

why do you think she's criticizing these people? she's going after them and she wants her base to go after them so she can sell more guns. >> some of the criticism of the nra, dana very personally, are you concerned that you might lose support if you get too personal, too insid airy? >> well, she's already done that by attacking sheriff scott israel. obviously there were some major mistakes made here and ones we have to look into. i don't want to sigh anything until after the vefg's done because i don't know what happened, i'm just a student, i had to witness this horrifying incident. but honestly, how you can say that you support law enforcement if you're just constantly attacking them over this? how hypocrite cal and disgusting are you? these are the people that are trying to protect our lives. did they make a mistake? absolutely. is that something we have to fix? absolutely. but there's a much bigger problem in washington where they say they want -- here's what deign's been saying as a spokesperson for the nra. she wants to continue to pass laws, she wants people in congress to pass laws that help out with mental health and things like that and she says

she can't do that. are you kidding me? you own these politicians. you've passed legislation that enables these bump stocks. which by the way aren't allowed at nra shooting ranges because they're too dangerous that's how bad they are. but continuing on with my point. she wants congress to take action and says that they won't. are you kidding me? she owns these congressmen. she can get them to do things, it's just she doesn't care about these children's lives. >> where does the information come from when you talk about this? >> my previous research in speech and debate through learning about universal background checks, having to argue on kboth sides. i agree that the second amendment is important but we should have limitations ton in the same way we have limitations on the first amendment. i'm allowed to speak today, i'm allowed to the speak to the press but i can't yell fire in a crowd theater in the same way you smunt be able to get an ar-15 if you're mentally unstable 19-year-old. >> dan, i wanted you here as well because you've covered movement for decades, social movements for decades and i wonder what you make of this current student movement that we've seen emerge in the past

week and a half. >> i'm in awe and great admiration. this is a children's movement granted it's somewhat, you know, 16 to 19 here. we're being led by our children. it's reminiscent somewhat of the children's crusade in birmingham, alabama, in 1963 which was a bit of a tipping point for the civil rights movement when the students and young people from birmingham and surrounding areas came with children's crusade, i'm calling this a children's crusade. this march could be a tipping point. this is the first time in years that i have sensed within myself we're near a tipping point. we'll see how big the march is and the big thing is do you and the other students have staying power. you have the will power, but do you have the staying power? because those forces who oppose what you're speaking of, they're depending on you wearing out, getting distracted, moving on to other things. that's their bet. >> and i mean that's kind of

what the florida legislatures are doing, they're trying to maction forget. there's a reason why only one republican lawmaker in florida state house met with us. it's because they want -- i think they want these people to forget. they want to get reelected through name recognition and the income banssy advantage and that's what they're trying to do and we're not going to let that happen. >> one point that he made earlier that many people don't quite understand, they hear the words but they don't quite understand that many in congress are bought and paid for by the nra. he stated this directly and forthrightly before. i think a lot of people don't quite understand that. and if there is a tipping point now, it will be from the march to a sustained movement that puts enough pressure on the people in congress to say, listen, you're either going to cower with the nra behind the nra money and their backing and the elections or you're going to do the right thing. >> doesn't the nra's power come more from mobilizing its members versus the campaign contributions? >> "the new york times" said

this morning it comes a lot from mobilizing their members. that also takes money. but the key thing, the ballot box of of what counts in this country and the key votes in congress of keeping things hold up in committee even small steps towards doing something sane, something common sense against guns, that's not because of the organizing ability, it's because of their money. >> i wonder, david, i've been interested in your story because you were working for the tv station at school, you were the news director of the station, you've been thinking about getting into journalism. are you still thinking about trying to major in journalism someday or are you thinking of more of a political path? >> yes, to both. >> still thinking about it. >> honestly what i would like to do personally is i'd love to go to somewhere like harvard or po poly psi or northwestern. but i got rejected from cal state long beach. >> it happens towel after us. >> it really does. but, honestly, i just want to continue on. i want to continue learning.

i might have to take computer work on midterms to help on these campaigns but i want to continue to change the world and the only way i'm going to be able to do that and the american public is going to be able to do that is through education. >> anything you want it know from dan rather? >> got any advice? >> write sgt bedrock of the craft. if you want to do anything in journalism, learn to write and dedicate yourself to a lifetime of improving your writing. i can't guarantee you'll be famous and make a lot of money but you can have a very satisfying career if you concentrate on write ing. >>that would apply to activism as well, to giving a political speech, wrork working on honing the writing. >> exactly. the best politicians are those who write their own speeches. john kennedy, barack obama, ronald reagan to a degree. >> right. right. well, to the both of, you thank you for both being here. great to see you. after the break here, glen beck, he certainly knows a bit about conspiracy theories, some would say he was promoting those back in his days on fox news. he's here now to talk about these hoaxes and lies and about

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welcome back to reliable source, i'm brian stelter. there's never been anything on american television like it, that's what courts said as it described cnn's wednesday town hall that brought together florida students and

politicians. "politico" said the town hall, quote, may have actually moved the nation's dialogue on guns. but there was criticism as well. criticism of the format, particularly from conservatives who said the emotional crowd rescued t rescued the event. the goal was to bring together the community with their elected leader for a listening session and for a chance to answer questions. i would say listening and really listening it's something that's all too rare right now. senator marco rubio brought that up in his opening remarks. this is what he said at the start of the town hall. >> we are a nation of people that no longer speak to each other. we are a nation of people who have stopped being friends with people because of who they voted for in the last election. we are a nation of people who have isolated ourselves to only watch channels that tell us that we're right. we're a nation of people that have isolated ourselves

politically and to a point where it's discussions like this have become very difficult. >> here to discuss that with me is glen beck, the founder of the blaze. again, good to see thank you morning. i thought senator rubio made that point very eloquently but it's a point that you and many others have been making for years. how do we move from just diagnosing the problem to actually solving it? >> best way do it is to read martin luther king. he talked about reconciliation and not winning. and both sides are just trying to win. i tried to win for a long time. i'm right, i'm right, i'm right. we need to start look to reconciliation. winners creates losers and with everybody trying to just win and be right, we stop listening to each other. and we come to this place where we think the other side doesn't have anything to teach me so i'm not even going to listen to them. >> yeah, there's the sense that on the left that the right's acting in bad faith and a sense on the right that the left is

acting in bad faith so there's no willingness to meet somewhere in the middle. >> right. and parts of that are true. parts of it aren't. we just see the world differently, but you know, i'm a student of history and you can look to the 1960s for answers and you can look to the 1920s and 30s for the problems. and we are currently deeply probably 1926, 1928 vie mar republic. at that time, the two newspapers in germany, one was pointing -- one was saying the national socialists point, the other was sagt communist point. and could you look at the papers on the same day for the same event and you'd get two different radically different views to where it didn't even look like it was the same event. and no one who read this one read that one. and so you were either right or wrong. that's a real problem. because that's where we.

>> so is this a marketplace problem fob for media cups? is there a market for the middle? >> i think there is a market for the middle but we have to stop looking for the market. we have to start looking to -- to heal. we have to start looking at ourselves and saying what role have i played? you know, it will take a long time because there are people -- there are people that are watching you right now that hate my guts and think that i'm the man that they thought i was in 2008. as you know, i have been preaching something very different for a very long time. it takes people on both sides. who in the media has really stepped to the plate and said, you know what? we made bad mistakes? i will tell you "the new york times" did once right after the election. and it was good, but they didn't keep ringing that bell. they didn't keep pointing out,

okay, we were this, we're doing this. and only one time made the right do what the left has done to me and that's like, yeah, right, okay. so you admit this one, see, that's just the problem. you have to back it up with action. >> well, a lot of people remember your famous blackboard from your fox news days. you were frequently accused of spreading conspiracy theories about obama and liberals which i why i want to know what you think about the conspiracy theories this week. why do people embrace this kind of conspiracy theories thinking? >> let's talk about this because this is a left and right kind of thing. if you remember, scripts howard did a poll in 2006 and they asked the question how likely is it that people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action because they wanted war

in the middle east? 22% said very likely, 22% of democrats said very likely. 28% said somewhat likely. so that's more than half of democrats thought that bush was involved in the 9/11 conspiracy. so conspiracy -- and by the way, the person who was behind that conspiracy is the same guy behind a lot of these, alex jones. "politico" described that as something at the time they said well that's just things that people are saying because they don't like the other guy. that's the problem. we're willing to accept things about the other guy because we don't like him. and then -- >> well if that is the line after 9/11, what's worse now is the social networks that they spread these crazy theories to millions of people. what should the technology companies do? >> i don't know that the

facebook and twitter have -- have added to this problem a great deal. i think if you look, we -- if you look at where the average democrat was and the average republican, if you look at the charts it's pretty much like this until 2006, the first year of facebook, and we started moving apart and we are now here. we are vastly two different countries. we can't read only the things that we agree with. we have to have conversations, calm conversations that make us uncomfortable. we have to have that. >> you've talked on your program in the past about -- >> i can be honest? let me be honest with you. >> of course, yeah. >> this is something that you're not going to want to hear. cnn had a right and a responsibility to have that conversation, that town hall. but when you added a room full -- when you added what?

2,000, 5,000 people that were grieving and angry, you did nothing. you made things worse. if you wanted to have that conversation, then let's have that conversation in a calm way. but adding it -- adding the crowd, it became the christians and the lions. it was despicable and grow terrific. >> would you have told the students to shush? you would have told them to shut up? >> no, i would have said, if this is too raw right now to have a stadium full of people. let's just you pick the people, you have the kids that want to talk, and let's have that conversation in a small room without the cheering crowds. it's why i can't go on bill mar. bill mar has asked me for years to go on his program. i won't because it is just the cheering crowd. somebody's trying to win. martin luther king would not have done that.

martin luther king would have had the discussion without the cheering crowds. don't try to win, look for reconciliation. >> glenn, i respect your point of view and i appreciate you being here. thanks for coming on. >> thank you very much. i appreciate you. thank you. >> and that's what our show's for, for a critical look at the media. i did want to share this from town hall moderator jake tapper he had a twitter dialogue with a another crit tick of the town hall format. he said it was there the community there in parkland than asked us to facilitate a town hall where they could ask questions of lawmakers. you obviously feel we shouldn't have are i disagree. tapper continued, you feel lie i should have reprimanded a mass of grieving and upset people on their behavior, i disagree. that was tapper's point of view pelt also said a variety, which was the toughest assignment he ever had at cnn and i can see why. this town hall really was, at least in my view, a turning point in this conversation about guns. now when we come back here on reliable sources, i want to you

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i hate to say those sick words outloud, but i think we do needed to debunk them. let's bring in a journalist for the palm beach post. she's covered three mass shootings in the past three years. also john avalon, a senior politico analyst and how the luna tick fringe is hijacking america. let's first take a look at that new talking point. here's how the nra is describing the media in recent days. >> no one on this planet again e benefits more from mass shootings and motivates more people to become mass shooters than the mainstream media plaintiffs the mainstream media love mass shootings. >> many in legacy media love mass shootings. you guys love it. >> why would you make a statement like that? >> because it's true. they like the ratings aspect of it. >> do you love mass shootings? >> i can say with 100% certainty

that i do not love these tragedies. >> you've been zbhegt attention recently for a tweet you posted right after the parkland massacre put said i've been in this business barely any time at all, i'm 23 years old and that is the third mass shooting i've covered. what does it feel like on a personal level having to covering these attacks again and again? >> it's incredibly difficult to cover these events, especially so frequently and so close to home. the palm beach post we're a local paper and i ghot job right out of college and so in less than three years i've covered these incredible tragedies. and it's in no way enjoyable, especially when you're deal with the fallout and you're trying to figure out how your community is going to cope and recover after this only to find out that another one happens almost immediately afterward. >> killings, deaths at the end of a firearm, they happen every day in america, local journalists have to cover suicides every day, murders

every day, and then when there are these spectacle murders, when many people are killed in one shooting spree, the national media descends and it's worse in some ways. but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that local papers like yours they have to cover gun deaths on a daily basis. >> absolutely. i mean, we're not just covering gun deaths on a daily basis, we're also covering these mass shootings, these mass tragedies and mass deaths. i mean, i definitely don't think i anticipated that coming into, you know, especially so early in my career, but coming into this job. so i think that as journalists we're taught to deal with tragedy, it's -- we know that we're braced for that, we know what we're getting ourselves into. but on this scale and so frequently, i don't think anyone could quite prepare or anticipate that. >> so over to john abbolt on the question, why, john, is the nra pushing this talking point about the media loving the ratedings

for the mass shootings? >> it is a talking point clearly from those two sides you just heard and it's a disgusting one and it's an extension of a playbook that donald trump learned from roy comb. when you're attacked you punch back. they're trying to deflect the anger and frustration of how people feel at the fact that this seems to only happen in america on a too regular basis wi wi. we have muscle reflex on thousand cover these things because they happen too frequently. but people say why do they only happen here in america? what role do ability of weapons of war to be taken into schools an clubs and churches, this is an attempt to deflect and distract and to take people's anger, particularly among their base and direct it at the media. and it is disgust, there's no love, there's horror at having to cover these things. but as part of a playbook they've learned unfortunately from the president who got it straight from roy comb. >> i like the way you say

deflected and distract. one other point on this, i think what dana lash said about the media loving mass shootings is sick, but this is sick. this is a tweet from richard painter who's a regular on cnn and msnbc as a talk head. he said she's the tokyo rose of the nra. she loves watching americans die. >> yeah. >> seems to me we've got to condemn that kind of rhetoric as well. people are going too far on the left in some cases as well. >> absolutely. and this is the echo chamber that gets created. people feeling in fear and wanting to project it back. i disagree with dana intensely but she doesn't love watching persons die. she's not a tokyo rose. i think world war ii mets for should be generally off the table. but we need to condemn it extremely on both sides because we need to find a way to get back to a fact-based debate. that kind of furry and echo chamber only makes our country more ugly and divided.

>> lul luru what's the next sto you're trying to do. >> we're going to be dealing with the fallout of this shooting long after the national media has moved on and gone on to the next story. so, you know, it goes back to that comment made by dana and how inflammatory it is because we don't enjoy seeing this. we're going to be dealing with this for months and years, how this school is going to be able to reopen, how the students are going to cope and rekofr. how are they going to afford knock down this ilding about that they no longer want their buildings walking into. what's going to change at the sheriff's office? we're finding out these details about apparent missteps that led up to this tragedy. are they going to make changes across the board? you know, there are people calling for the resignation of the broward sheriff. and so, you know, we're beilook

at this from every aspect and how it's going to affect our community and the people that live here zblantd sheriff coming up on state of the union in ten minutes. thank you for being here, john, stay there if you can a quick look and then some of the media bashing from cpac. why is it that attack the immediate where is the one thing that unites conservatives? slow down for. put the phone away, and use a knife and fork for. and with panera catering, it's food worth sharing. panera. food as it should be.

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. let's look at the annual conservative cpac. first, a plaushbaflashback. >> the popular media narrative is that this country has shifted away from conservative ideals. >> the mainstream media wants us to shut up. >> don't let the big consult apts, the big money man and the big bad media scare you off. don't let them invalidate you. >> bias complaints are common

but in year cthis year it's a l different. it's a lot more radical. >> we have a very crooked media. >> the media of the country does not understand the tone. >> they are lying about you, me, and intentionally dividing the country. >> we are watching the slow and painful death of the mainstream media. >> hello. we don't need you anymore. >> there's a big difference between constructive and destructive criticism. it is one thing to critique the press to make journalism better. but we're now hearing more and more calls to burn it down. back with me now for a final nou thought. i think of this pro journalism versus versus. >> the president is calling this

is a the of an american -- got to be the first amendment as much as the second. if you continually try to attack people whose job is to hold power to account. feelings of persecution. it's really doubling. if we're going to defend democracy we've got to defend the press. >> what's your view? >> i think looking at cpac i think of the old duke ellington song. cpac ain't what it used to be. i haven't been there for five years. it used to be a place for serious conservative discussion. they still have serious thinkers and talkers, it's morphed into a star trek convention. they're going to keep going on because this message of anti-media sells with the cpac audience. there's a lot of money to be

made there. >> i just think we should have more constructive criticism. i'd love to hear that all day long but destructive criticism seems worrisome. thanks for being here. we have to leave you here but see you on line at reliablesources.com and back 0 on tv this time next week. an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase.

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dereliction of duty. new details on the law enforcement response to the florida school shooting. >> devastated, sick to my stomach. there are no words. >> coral springs police say four broward county deputies were on the scene waiting outside instead of going in. we'll talk to the broward county sheriff about that and much more next. plus, the gun debate. president trump pledges to take action to curb gun violence. >> we're not going to let this happen again. a brand-new cnn poll shows a huge shift in americans views on guns. will bring that to you next along with