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he could take her to a hospital 30 miles away where department policy said he should take her or go closer. follow the protocol or break protocol and go closer and risk her getting the wrong kind of care. in mattie's care he broke protocol and thankfully it went well. the bravery was precisely that. has ever or would ever speak about it in those terms. in fact, speaking about tight day, lieutenant said merely we transferred her to a gurney and gave a report to the nurse, went back to work. brave people rarely say i was brave or boast how brave they would be in a similar situation and suggest it would be easy. and bravery comes in many forms. the common thread involves making a choice.
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or taking a stand and taking a risk. today, speaking to the nation's governors at the white house, about response to parkland, the president suggested he was taking a brave political stand against the national rifle association. he is after all a republican president with a conservative base of supporters, so whatever you think of the nra or positions, going against them would be a risk for him. it would in political terms be an act of bravery. but keeping them honest, the president's words today come as he seems to have gone silent on something he talked about supporting just last week. here its what he said today at a meeting of governors. >> half of you are so afraid of the nra and there is nothing to be afraid of. if they are not with you, we have to fight them every once if a while, that's okay. they are doing what they think is right. i will tell you, they are doing what they think is right. and sometimes we have to be tough and we are going to have to fight them. >> you are afraid, he says, i am not. you are going to have to fight
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them, he says, like i am. the question is, is he? here is what he said about raising the age of buying rifles. including the one used to kill 17 people in parkland and nearly taking mattie willford's life. >> in addition to everything else and in addition to what we are going to do about background checks, we are going to go strong into age, age of purchase. >> and here is what he said on thursday. >> i mean, we're talking about rules and regulations for purchasing. talking about changing an age from 18 to 21. we are talking about common sense. and it is a great thing. and the nra will back it. i feel confident it will back it and so will congress and so will the senate. >> he said that even though the nra put out a statement saying they do not and will not back it. last thursday night we raised the question of whether he would take them on or bend to their will. since thursday he has gone
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silent about raising the age. nothing on twitter. nothing on camera. including nothing to the governors. in fact we don't know the meeting took place until after the fact. it was kept off the schedule the white house puts out. even as he goes silent on the thing he promised on wednesday to quote go strongly on, he is still pushing what seems to be his and the nra's preferred response arming teachers. not all teachers, he says, just some. >> i want highly trained people who have a talent. like hitting a baseball. hitting a grovel ball. or putting. how come some people always make the 4 footer and some people under pressure can't take their club back. some people can't take their club back. >> you can take issue with how the president put it, however he
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phrased, it sounds like he is done listening on that subject. a subject the nra is backing, eev when he is telling governors don't be afraid of the nra. in other words, be brave like me or just like i would have been unlike the broward county deputy outside stoneman douglas that terrible day. >> you don't know until you are tested. but i really believe i would run in even if i didn't have a weapon. and most of the people in this room would have done that too. i know most of you. but the way they performed was really a disgrace. >> brave. now we get to new reporting that the president does appear to be moving away. jim acosta joins us with that. what have you learned, jim? >> reporter: yeah, andersen, talking to sources tonight close to the discussion about gun control issues here and on the hill, the president appears to be backing away from this idea that you mentioned just a few moments ago that he supported last week that the age limit should be raised to 21 for
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purchasing assault weapons. the president tweeted about it, and you notice on friday in a cpac speech. and that lead to questions about this issue. the white house press secretary said he supports the idea as a concept and tonight we are hearing from sources that he appears to be backing away from that. the president said he is willing to fight the nra on some issues and apparently that is not one of them. if a soldier can carry an assault rifle on the battlefield, why can't that soldier also defend his family in his home with an assault rifle, that is a key talking point of the national rifle association. it appears the direct, the president is heading in tonight.
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>> soldiers are able to use handguns. an 18-year-old cannot buy. you have to be 21. >> reporter: i am not rationalizing. i am saying this what this source is saying. but it is clear that the president had this meeting with the national rifle association over the weekend. they had lunch at the white house on sunday and ever since the president started talking about this idea late last week, there was concern in the gun rights community that the president is going soft on this issue. that is why i think you heard the president say he is going to do away with bump stocks. that is something he feels on safe ground on. when it comes to the issue of raising the age for purchasing assault weapons. not to mention a lot of conservative lawmakers on the hill. >> you asked sarah sanders about the president's comments what was her response. >> reporter: that he would have rushed in and tried to save the students and here is what she had to say. >> i think he was stating that as a leader, you would have stepped in and hopefully been
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able to help as a number of the individuals that were in the schools, the coach and other adults and even a lot of the students stepped up and helped protect other students. i think the point he was making is that he would have wanted to play a role on that as well. >> is he trained in firing a weapon? is he trained in using a hand gun or firearm at some point. >> i don't think that was the point he was making. he was saying he would be a leader and would want to take a courageous action and a lot of individuals that helped protect others that day weren't carrying firearms which shows that you can be helpful in that process without it. >> reporter: and we should point out that she never asked the question whether the president is trained to use a firearm. our sources are telling us ton the that the president and this white house are committed to doing something on this issue and we should see some movements toward strengthening the background system.
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i talked to a source on capitol hill this evening who said they feel that is something that can get done and one idea that was floated which i thought was interesting is there is some talk among lawmakers that they might give tax credits away to retired military and law enforcement officers to provide security in schools. that obviously will not be enough for those students. >> action of congress or lack of it. phil mattingly has that side of the story. does it feel like there is a change. >> reporter: talking to lawmakers and congress members, people are all over the map right now. that is not necessarily a great recipe for result. just take the issues right now that are right there. already democrats that have introduced assault weapons ban, that doesn't have the votes to go forward. that doesn't have the votes.
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the idea for raising the age for purchase for long guns that doesn't have the votes to move forward. it is a background checks bill known as a fix nix bill. what it does is intensifies -- democrats said they weren't for that either. they want a fuller debate. a wider debate and more expanse sifsive debate. i talked to one aide and he told me people think this time is different. the reality is when it comes to guns it is not. >> this bill on background checks, does it seem it would have enough support to pass? >> it definitely has enough
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property to pass the senate. just a matter of getting through the logistical hurdles. does it have support to pass the house. the house has passed this bill but paired it with -- for if you have a permit to carry, in a state, you would take that over state lines to another state that allows concealed carry. democrats in the senate, that is a nonstarter. for democrats in the house, that is a nonstarter. so as long as that still has to be paired with even the small bore fix nix background bill, there are problems there. it has put a point on this. speaking to a democratic snore who is very strong on the gun rights issue very strong on trying to push forward some type of gun restrictions and i asked him plainly, do you think anything is going to happen right now. he looked at me and shook his head. he said no. he understands where things are right now and not a lot of optimism.
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that anything is going to come out of this. even that smaller background bill, andersen. >> thanks very much. the question of regulating firearms, arming teachers and what if anything can pass the congress. which seems to be the one question that comes up after every such tragedy. joining us now is florida republican congressman. congressman, thanks for being with us. what do you make of this news that the president appears to be backing away from raising the age limit to buy any gun to 21? >> i don't think he should be backing away from this issue. he needs to be leading on the issue. he needs to show the american people that he is not going to be beholden to anybody and lead members of congress. show the american people who they all hate about washington, d.c. thinking that people are purchased by different lobbies. that we are not. lead the american people to that conclusion. she them. >> the president told them that the nra is on their side. and do you think that is true. >> we find ourselves at odds on a number of issues. but they represent people that
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need to have their opinion heard as well. the law-abiding citizen that has the opportunity to hunt, they have to be represented as well and that is their piece of this. >> i understand you changed your mind on assault type weapons. what led that to that change. and what do you say to your fellow republicans who may be wary. >> the short piece of it is i was looking to my children in a pool playing. as i was concealing and carrying myself. we could have been sitting ducks and thinking about that in the wake of just happened in parkland to people some of whom i know saying i have to do everything i can to protect life. that is what made everything unregretable in the military. i was trying to protect the lives of others.
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we can't worry about being political casualties. >> can you say what you would like to tell him? >> i want to say to the president take your plan for having a ban on people coming into our country from various, what we would consider terror related country. take that travel ban and apply the same model to this situation. who is purchasing these firearms to make sure that the next omar martin or nikolaus cruz. and let's come back to the people after the pause of selling these assault tactical style weapons and come to them with real solutions. lawmakers are across the board on this. nobody knows if they can get on board with the age or background check or with this. i would ask the president, mr. president, lead on this in the same way you led with the travel ban to protect communities, to protect your
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nation. apply the same standard to this situation and let's act immediately. >> i am wondering what the conversation is to your fellow republicans what are you hearing about a desire to change, fear of change. what are you hearing from them? >> i have had a great number of my colleagues coming up to me, whispering in my ear, it is a great piece. what are your reactions back home. how do they feel about your proposals. a lot of questions about the reaction i was getting from my constituency. >> thanks very much. breaking news in the russia news, hope hicks is expected in front of the house intelligence
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>> breaking news in the russia investigation. involving hope hicks. sources telling cnn she is scheduled to go before the house intelligence committee tomorrow. her testimony was delayed. questions about whether she could discuss transition and her time at the white house. joining me now is jim sciutto. >> she is a key witness. with the president during the campaign. and able to in theory answer
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questions on a whole host of aspects of robert mueller and the house intelligence committee's investigation. the key question is what questions is she going to be willing to answer tomorrow because that point, that issue that you raised still has not been settled. it is not clear. we spoke to the ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee today adam schiff and he isn't certain she is going to answer questions. steve bannon refused to answer many questions citing in effect white house claim of executive privilege of giving leeway from answering questions about that. so we don't know what will happen tomorrow. will she go there, will she answer most questions or refuse. the intelligence committee is still intending to issue a contempt order for steve bannon for refusing to answer questions you can imagine they do the same to hope if she does as well. the two essential claims of the republican memo known as the nunes memo is one the fbi's
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investigation was based entirely on this steele dossier. on that issue, the democratic memo attempts to rebut it by noting the time line. the fbi opened its counterintelligence investigation seven weeks before the fbi team got access to that steele dossier. so it is a credible rebuttal on that point. the other key point of the republican memo was that when the fbi was seeking a memo to surveil, that it did not reveal to the court that the dossier had democratic money backing it. the democratic memo says that is not true. look at the warrant. in fact they made the court aware that the dossier had partisan backing. if you talk to republicans they will say not all the details are in there. but taken together it certainly raises questions about the central claims.
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>> appreciate the update. congressman jim himes i spoke to him. >> do you expect her to invoke executive privilege in the same way that steve bannon did? >> well it is a mystery because different people who have worked for the white house has approached this differently. steve bannon invoked executive privilege in a broad way including going back to the transition.
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other people who worked in the white house went before the committee and did not. we will see what happens tomorrow morning. >> hope hicks has been at the epicenter, are there particularly areas of questioning that you hope to be able to ask her? >> those of us who have watched this white house for a long time know shes is one of the president's most closest advisers. so i think i talked to her about in particular of course is the question of the drafting of the statement that don junior, the president's son gave which turned out not to be true about the meeting in trump tower with the russians when he was expecting to receive compromising information on hillary clinton. whether there was any attempt
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there to deceive the public about what that meeting was to have been about. >> i want to ask you about the democratic response memo which was released over the weekend. devin nunes says it bolsters his argument saying democrats are advocating that it is okay for the fbi to use political dirt and use it towards the other campaign. how do you respond to that? >> the chairman is wrong about that. the premise of the republican memo was that the steele dossier was essential. that it was the basis, not just as the fisa application made around carter paige but associated with the investigation. and we know that is not true and further know that the dossier, which again, he can call it
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political dirt, that doesn't mean whatever in that dossier is true or untrue. they use the word unverified. that just means we don't know. but what we know today is that the idea that that dossier was critical to getting a warrant on carter paige and it was after. just you know, an attempt to make what is not a partisan issue into a partisan issue. >> do you believe jared kushner should have a security clearance even a temporary one. do you believe president trump when he says it is up to general kelly to determine. >> it is important that the white house maintain strict disciplines around security
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details. i don't know all the details and i'm not sure anybody outside of the white house knows why it is being held up. but if it is being held up, there suggests that there might be some possibility of blackmail or improper behavior, and i am not saying it was. but he has access to the most sensitive information to the united states and the prudent thing would be to get the security clearance done and get him that access. first lady melania trump spoke out about the high school students. many of whom have been so vocal. and we will talk about two of the students and their thought the about what the first lady had to say. you can't judge a daughter by looking at the mother. you can't judge a book by looking at the cover. taking one look. try to read me like a book but i leave 'em all shook
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welcome back. again the breaking news president trump appearing to be backing away from the proposal that he himself raised. raising the age to 21. >> i have been heartened to see children across this country using their voices to speak out and try to create change. they are our future and they deserve a voice. >> before her speak, stoneman douglas shooting survivor had something to say, hey, at flotus, before he liked a post about a false conspiracy theory which has put a target on my
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back. i am joined now by both loren reference to trump jr. liking a website story that said hogg's older brother david had been coached off to speak out against. i am joined by lauren hogg and her brother david. lauren, start with you. >> i think the first lady promising us about this, i think talking about cyberbullying hasn't done anything yet. it need to start day conversation, yeah. >> david you and i talked last week with your dad about this ridiculous conspiracy theory. can you talk about what impact
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donald trump jr.'s liking this tweet has had on you and your family? >> extremely annoying. honestly just disgusting for our family to have to live through. but honestly because he liked that tweet, he helped promote our cause, as weird as that is. he helped quadruple my twitter following keep this in the massed me along with other trolls online, only proving the point that the apple doesn't far from the tree in maturity. especially from the president. >> do you feel it put a target on the backs of your family? >> definitely. i just started twitter two days ago. all the comments, targeting my family, i just think it is horrific. sad that i am 14, i feel that i know, more and, more mature than most of the people are targeting saying more rihorrific things. >> so many people have lost faith in america. people calling us out, showed that they don't care about
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america any more. they lost faith in it. that is sad. we certain three haven't. >> i want to ask you, the president does seem to be backing away from, from, twhult he talked about last week. raising the age for buying rifle or any kind of long gun. raising it to 21. >> i feel like he has done that many things since he has become president. it is horrible because he is promising things that he is not fulfilling. like many other issues. >> david, a, how do you feel about that? still talking bump stock, talking about arming teachers? >> i think it is all talk. politics is spectacle. what is going on here. talking heads on tv. saying things like, dana, from the nra, now, spokeswoman, i believe. she is saying words to her followers and, many of them are just falsely believing her, thinking she is fighting for them. really she is fight for the gun
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lobby making they can sell more guns, kill more people. scare more people and sell more guns. >> you are getting an up close look, a look you probably never wanted to get, given the reasons you are getting this look, at how, politicians work, how the system works, just wondering, what you see, looking at it up close the way you have been these last. >> honestly, kind of disgusting. really starting to remind me of house of cards i watched a lot. for example, right now when one of famous characters is killed, zoe barnes, claire turns and starts putting on makeup as symbolism of politics being spectacle. i think that's what going on here. these politicians don't care about the children's lives. know tifs t with rick scott, is after he is running for senate to take bill nelson's seat. that's what is going on here. people need to acknowledge that. with marco rubio. the man must be a professional dancer like other politicians. great at side stepping questions. cnn townhall he turned a one, one word answer into a five
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sentence, shenanigan, admitting propaganda from the nra repeating false message, that he is going to continue to accept money from the nra making sure people don't understand that and distracted by him trying to turn night a long answer so he can get re-elected. it's disgusting. >> do you think something will change? bump stocks would that bree a positive step? >> absolutely. something that should have been done after 50 people were slaughtered in las vegas. if that didn't change anything. how is this going to change anything. that's my question is, the am can people are starting to realize, starting to wake up, and realize that they are being abused. the fact that we are doing that is one of the most important things. during katrina, you spoke out against some of the abuses people faced, correct. that's what we are frying to do here. taking a journalistic standpoint with nonbiasness of walter cronkite with a lot of the action and motivation that companies like facebook and spacex had in their beginning days and the pace we are
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continuing. we have to show the people that we are going to take their place. and to be honest, i's like when you are an older person that is -- >> pointing to me. >> thank you. >> literally, how were you during katrina? >> 5. >> proved of my point. >> of when older generations are using cell phones. they have to pass it to us. we say give it to us. we'll take it. what we are doing with the political system. the older generation have failed us. we are not going to let that hatch pen to our children. >> one of the weird things about this, among many other thing. our live we were taught adults were to teach us. teach us how to tie our shoes. now we have to tell them what to do. >> do, just on a personal level. you are going to go back to schools when day for the first time. what are your thoughts? thoughts and feelings on that? >> think about it this way. imagine getting in a plane, getting on a plane crash, having to get on the plane every day. not to mention the problem on
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the plane has the not been fixed. the fact there hasn't been a bill passed. florida legislators are not listening to us. starting to listen now that tie am threatening the state of florida's economy. the fact that they're only listening to that, is a testament to how disgusting the political situation is in florida and across the nation. for dpexample, at the session. trying to meet with republican lawmakers. one met. supposed to have a day full of meeting with legislators in florida. one puck prepublican lawmaker m. they want us to forget. want the american public to forget. they want you to forget. we are not going to let that happen. if we do, how many more children are going to have to die. how many more people are going to have to be slaughtered. be american citizens and enjoy their life. trying to prevent. greedy politicians out of congress. get the greedy politicians out of politic thousands in general. if we don't how many more children have to die.
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>> are you scared to go back on wednesday? >> i am. but personally, i think it is going to be part of the healing process. but i know for me, it is going to be hard just to walk, if we have to walk in that same building. the other day i went to my old middle schools to see my teachers and seeing the flooring, i almost had a meltdown. i couldn't help think of my friends that laid on the floor. >> thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> two school librarians, wound up working at two schools that claimed a terrible toll. we'll be right back. this. is. lobsterfest. at red lobster with exciting new dishes like dueling lobster tails and lobster truffle mac & cheese. classics like lobster lover's dream are here too. so enjoy these 10 lobsterlicious dishes while you can because lobsterfest won't last. intrtechnology withnema. incredible color, sound and streaming. just as the creators intended. ♪ up to $200 off at dell.com ♪ when it comes to travel, i sweat the details. late checkout...
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it is a remarkable story. two women who met decades ago, while working at a connecticut radio station, went on to become school librarians at schools that were destined to become household names because of the awful events that happened there. one woman worked at sandy hook elementary in newtown, connecticut. the other became a librarian at parkland, florida. when it happened. she thought of all the things her friend told her over the years. they both join me now. >> diana, what were the specific things that yvonne had shared with you about her experience that came to you when the shooting in parkland began, i'm wondering. >> certain things like make sure you always have your keys on your person. make sure you have your phone, your walkie talkie.
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those things were very important. i used to talk about it all the time with my clerk. oh, i don't have the right thing on. can't fit everything. i would wear a pouch and shove everything in there. i was trying to be ready but i didn't think it would be getting ready for this. >> i wonder when you first realized that there had been another school shooting and it in fact was at diana's school. i am wondering what went through your mind? >> oh, just absolute disbelief. i couldn't wrap my head around it. it didn't seem like it could be possible and just knowing what we went through and now knowing what we went through and now knowing what they were going through, it was just, it made me furious. it made me furious. it made me angry that this had to happen again. i was absolutely furious. so many people have said to me in the last few days, what are the chances, what are the odds that you would have gone through
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this and that your close friend would have gone through the same thing. and i just think the odds are getting greater and greater until we stop this problem of gun violence. yvonne, have you given diana any advice in terms of how, i don't want to say how to get past this, but how to get through this? >> well, we did talk a lot about that. because the process of recovery is very complex. it looks different for everyone. i immediately felt after you know hearing about what happened at diana's school that i had to go be with her and make myself available in case any teachers wanted to, you know, talk about what they had just gone through. so it's powerful and meaningful to gather together with other survivors of gun violence. unfortunately, there are more and more of us and the numbers are growing all the time. >> diana, has that helped you? >> it has tremendously.
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she flew in right away and i really did need her. i was like you don't have to come. but she did and i was glad she did because i thought of myself as an understanding person, but now i am even more understanding because everyone is handling this differently. i couldn't speak. i was more frozen those first few days. i didn't want to eat. it was scaring me so i went to the counseling which was very helpful which really ended up being hugging and talking with my colleagues. but having yvonne there was wonderful because we, you know, she arrived and we went right to joaquin's service. and she was with me there and i did need her and we talked and talked and she did help me and she continues to help me. we had an event that was outreach from every town and that was amazing because we had moms and parents and students and it was a wide variety from
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the community coming in and yvonne spoke to everyone and they were coming up to me later, can you give me what she read, is it written down. so i have compiled it and we are sharing that with those who wanted it. because little things that people were going, oh my god, i feel that way. oh, she is helping me. i really needed this. so, yes, it was amazing that she came to help us. >> i read one thing yvonne which said if there ever was a teachable moment, this is the definition of a teachable moment. in what way? what is unique about this moment do you think? >> we have students at stoneman douglas that are using their voices to ask for help from lawmakers and the adults in our country and they are articulate and they are powerful and they
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are smart and they are strong and they are asking for help. it's really a perfect moment for the adults to rise to the occasion and specifically our lawmakers and show them that we can solve this problem of gun violence. the students are asking us to solve the problem. and that is really what i think is important here. you know, the students at sandy hook school were too young to be able to articulate their fears and their hopes for solving this issue. but the students at stoneman douglas are not letting go of this. they are strong and they are loud and they need to be loud. because we have had too many, too many of these situations happen. and you know, we should have fixed this problem 20 years ago after columbine and we didn't. >> yvonne and diane, i am sorry that you share this bond, but i am glad that you have each other and there for others as well. thank you for talking with us.
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we had a spirited discussion last week on this program about ar-15 style guns, weapons originally designed for use on the battlefield but used to take 17 lives in parkland, florida. we were talking about them because these shootings with the ar-15 style rifles have become so frequent and part of the lexicon of mass shootings that there's not really an understanding of what they really do or how powerful a weapon it is. so we wanted to take a closer look. ar-15 style rifles were also used in mass shootings in las vegas, at a church in texas, in an aurora, colorado, movie theater, and at sandy hook elementary school. according to the nra, more than 15 million are owned by americans today. fans like the guns because they're lightweight, easy to
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handle. they also see them as a symbol of their second amendment rights. its opponents question whether weapons so lethal should even be sold. we sent our gary tuchman to get a close-up look at the power of the ar-15, and here's what he discovered. >> reporter: this is what an ar-15 sounds like. [ sound of gunfire ] general mark hertling served in the u.s. army for 37 years, so he knows what the ar-15, which used to be a weapon of war, can do. and he has strong feelings about the semiautomatic, assault-style rifle, which is the precursor to a weapon currently used by the military, the m-4. >> the truth of the matter is they look almost exactly the same. >> so this is the m-4 military rifle? >> right. >> this is the ar-15? >> right. a lot of people will buy this just because it's cool, and they want to appear like soldiers. if you're a gun collector or a gun aficionado and you want an ar-15, you can certainly buy
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one, and you should be able to buy one. the problem is when it gets in the hands of the wrong people. >> reporter: originally built for the battlefield, a defining characteristic of the ar-15 is the speed and power of the bullet. >> now, those are single shots. if i wanted to fire this on full semiautomatic, all i do is keep firing. now, i probably won't hit the target when i do this, when we look at the target later on, but i'm going to fire about five shots. >> okay. [ sound of gunfire ] >> reporter: it's a weapon designed to inflict maximum damage. >> i've seen soldiers who have been hit by this weapon and enemies who have been hit by this weapon where it will literally tear out the inside of the body. i saw one soldier who was hit in a fratricide incident in the shoulder, and the round came out his ass. >> reporter: the general shares the prevailing opinion of this tampa gun shop we're visiting, the shooting sports firearms range, that the second amendment
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is sacred. but there is also agreement this weapon is definitely not for every gun owner. >> in my personal opinion, you have to receive a whole lot of training to use this weapon. this weapon in the wrong hands can be more dangerous than most weapons because of its capability to do a lot of damage in a short period of time and be irreversible. >> gary joins us now. how common is it for people to come in and rent the ar-15 and shoot at that range? >> reporter: anderson, it's very common for people to want to rent that weapon. not surprisingly, unlike buying the weapon, there's no electronic checks that are necessary. all you have to do is prove that you're an american citizen with i.d. but the owner of that store, who i told you said that that's not a gun for everybody, says he employs his own security methods for people who want to rent that weapon. what he does is he looks to see if they're under the influence of alcohol, under the influence
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of drugs, if they look unstable, if they look irresponsible. and if he sees any of those things, he's the judge and jury, and he says he tells them they cannot have the weapon. >> gary, thanks very much. up next, more on the breaking news on gun laws. it appears the president is backing away from his comment last week that americans should not be able to buy assault-style weapons until they're 21. join the un-carrier right now, and get four unlimited lines for only thirty-five bucks each. woah. plus, netflix for the whole family. on us. prrrrrrr... so, they get their shows... let's go, girl! you're gonna love this bit! and you get yours. watch however you want. on your phone, tablet, or tv. for a limited time, get 4 lines for just thirty-five bucks per line, with no extra charges. it's showtime! all on america's best unlimited network, t-mobile.
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saving you up to 30%! you'll be bathing in savings! tripadvisor. check the latest reviews and lowest prices. topping this hour, breaking news on a proposal in the wake of the parkland tragedy that the president himself called a great thing and common sense, raising the purchasing age for a rifle from 18 to 21. he said the national rifle association would go along with it and said he'd take them on if they didn't. then late last week he stopped talking about it, and tonight sources close to discussions between the white house and capitol hill on gun control say it appears the president is backing away from that idea. talking to governors at the white house today, he did not mention it. however, he did draw fire from washington's democratic governor about a proposal he is not backing away from, which is arming teachers. listen. >> i just think this is a circumstance where we need to listen, that educators should educate, and they should not be foisted upon this responsibility of packing heat in first grade classes.