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two big breaking items on jared kushner, her security clearance was downgraded almost certainly barring him from seeing highly classified intelligence and should bar him from routinely seeing the president's daily brief. then came an item in the "washington post," source so kournt officials laying out a possible reason why. we begin with "washington post" story which dove tails with our own reporting. people familiar with the mueller investigation telling us the special counsel's interest in kushner now includes his efforts to secure financing for his company from foreign investors during the presidential transition. the post meantime details how that need for capital may have been exploited. shane harris is on the story. he joins us now. can you talk about what countries they were and what they were hoping to use to manipulate him? >> the four countries that were identified are israel, china,

mexico and the united arab emirates and what they found was these officials were discussing among themselves that jared kushner might be vulnerable on his lack of experience in government and foreign policy seeing him as someone they could persuade. and also his business arrangements which are complex and involve foreign as well. his business debts and his lack of experience. both of those are reasons he should have never been in the white house in the first place. he's there because of nepotism, and that's the third reason he shouldn't be there. 666 fifth avenue, when acquired it was the most money ever paid for an office tower. he has divested out of the company going back into the government but we know the company has been looking for foreign investors and others to help alleviate that debt. specifically this was coming up, we're told, when foreign officials were told talking about kushner. that he did have these financial >> there is a lot of money coming due. they paid a huge amount, i think

more than any office build hg been paid for in new york ever or very long time. they refinanced that at the down turn and that money is coming due. even during the transition, kushner was meeting with potential investors, correct? >> that's right. during the transition there were meetings he had also with a russian banker. he has said he was just there to discuss things in his business capacity. the russians have said he wasn't there in a business capacity. so there is some discrepancy. it was no secret, of course, that this -- that he had this debt. important to remember that a normal person when they go through a process for trying to obtain security clearance, your credit card debt might be flagged. and does that make you vulnerable to some kind of blackmail or perhaps a pay off by a foreign official. in the case of jared kushner's company there was a $1.4 billion note coming due.

it's not that surprising that foreign officials may identify that. that becomes a red flag in a security clearance. >> all of the countries are in the portfolio in what jared kushner are working on in this legislation. israel is looking at ways to manipulate him. and mexico, as a candidate going down to mexico and other things in the middle east. >> these are things in his portfolio of issues. there is also another element to this which is that jared kushner was having his own conversations with foreign officials with people in other countries and was not reporting those in the normal channels to white house officials and the national security adviser h.r. mcmaster discovered this that jared kushner was maybe freelancing foreign policy. they had to have a meeting of

the minds where he would inform about the conversations he was having. those became an impediment to obtaining a final clearance >> the reporting, i think it was last week or so, that kushner was meeting with the chinese ambassador one-on-one without having in diplomats to take notes. >> he was essentially having these meetings on his own without notifying people in proper channels. it is customary for a senior advisor to have these meetings but unusual for that person not to get briefings and not debrief what was said after that meeting. as a senior advisor to the president, he is supposed to be keeping everybody in the white

house in the loop so there is a unified policy, and unified response. and so he knows he is not getting played. here is what this official is trying to tell you, but this is what they are really up to. >> thanks so much. joining us is carrie cordero, phil mudd and michael bernstein. >> do you believe he is qualified to have any security clearance at this point. >> there is technical issues. he can't see top secret. he can't see the most secret cia information about their informants. let me be even clearer, he can't see some of the stuff our western allies see.

they see top secret stuff and he can't. when you walk into a meeting into the west wing, you are having a conversation, what are you supposed to say if you are the cia or nsa director. you of to leave the room when the room goes top secret. i don't know how you can have a meeting. >> the fbi expects to have the investigation to kushner's background wrapped up in a month. is there a chance this downgrade is temporary? the president can say i received the fbi report and i am still giving up the clearance. it is up to the president, right? >> either the fbi can complete

the investigation and i think they are giving a timetable because chief of staff kelly is requiring for when these will be completed. either they complete it and their recommendation is negative, it is based on the information they developed in their investigation. and then their decision gets to the white house, the president, the chief of staff kelly and ultimately the president whether or not to grant it. given the time that has gone on and given particularly the financial entanglements that they have and the foreign interest, if they were going to clear him by now, the fbi would have. i tend to think another few weeks of investigation is not necessarily going to provide the answer that the white house wants. >> they didn't want the nunes memo out there and he overruled him.

>> absolutely he has the right to and he might well. there is a sub text to all of these stories coming together at once and that is as is known to the president of the united states and officials throughout the white house jared kushner is in the cross hairs of special prosecutor mueller's investigation which is focused in part on jared kushner like a laser. and every expectation in the white house and lawyers representing other people that jared kushner has many, many strikes lining up against him in the mueller investigation. and the sub text here is that part of the things that have led to the rejection of his being eligible for a security clearance are also part of mueller's investigation particularly aspects that have to do with perhaps monetizing

his position in the white house during the transition trying to shore up his failing business enterprises while at the same time doing business on behalf of the trump administration. this is serious business and mueller and a task force in mueller's operation is looking at those questions. >> michael, how worried should jared kushner be about where the mueller investigation is going with this? >> as carl says, he is in the epicenter in a lot of the issues that mueller seems to be having in the investigation. with the so-called collusion investigation. jared was in the june 9th trump tower meetings. with respect the private business versus the state meeting. the meeting that jared kushner held in december of 2017, this raised the same issues that "the washington post" is reporting.

they said that he met us with on private business. the white house said, no, it was official business, so we are getting a blurring of behavior by jared in his private and public roles. there are a couple of streams here that jared is in the center of. not to say he did anything wrong by any means. i am not suggesting that, but as a person of interest to mueller, he arises in a lot of these particularly important issues. >> it is a busy night and a lot to get to including white house's reaction. and another member of the inner circle and hope hicks. what she talked about and more importantly what she refused to. ahead on "360." when it comes , nobody does it better. he also loves swiping picnic baskets.

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the white house more turmoil with the disclosure son-in-law jared kushner is not going to receive white house security clearance. jim acosta was there. >> reporter: they have been secretive about this. a number of spokesperson over here at the white house saying they are not getting into it. i spoke with an official who has broke this down in terms of how white house officials were notified. it is not just jared kushner who is being impacted in all of this and seeing his security clearance downgraded at the white house. i am told by the senior administrative official that the word went out on friday employee by employee.

and according to this senior administrative official, if someone is in a sensitive area it could be more impactful. if somebody had their security downgraded that could have an impact for that person to do their job. so while it is important and critical that the president's son-in-law jared kushner who is obviously involve in important things here at the white house like middle east peace, there is an impact. but i was told there are a number of employees who were told on friday individually person by person that their security clearance is being downgraded and that is going to have an impact on jobs. >> do some of the white house consider this a win for chief of staff kelly?

>> reporter: i am hearing from sources that is the case. i talked to one source close to the white house who described it as humiliating for jared kushner. as we know, access is power, access is influence here in the white house. even when you are the president's son-in-law. there was another source who said general kelly essentially under cut jared's ability to do his job and that job being an envoy to the middle east peace process. how could he receive top-secret information about that if he doesn't have the clearance to do so. >> thanks so much. back with our panel. do you believe he will accept the recommendation? >> he could tomorrow say look,

when we have conversations in the oval office i want jared kushner there. i don't care if it is top secret or not. if you get a call from the white house, to the white house from the deputy attorney general who says we cannot close out the clearance. that deputy attorney general presumably, that is rod rosenstein has some insight into the mueller investigation. what he is telling the white house is, we've got a significant problem here. my point is if the president allows kushner to remain in some of these briefings, he risks the special counsel coming in saying by the way, we have an indictment on jared and you guys allowed him to be in meetings. >> could kushner do his job if he doesn't have this high level of clearance?

>> when it comes to things like negotiating with foreign partners and international counterparts, i don't see how he can do an effective job without being able to receive top secret briefings. anybody working with the intelligence committee with somebody who is conducting diplomatic activities is doing. they would need to be briefed by the intelligence committee in order to do their work. there is no way at that high level of government that you can conduct meetings by bifurcating secret level information and top-secret information and the bigger point is that the reason that his clearance matters and the reason whether the foundation for his clearance not being granted has to do with financial issues is whether or

not when he is in those meetings with foreign counterparts, he is conducting activities on behalf of the united states. and the united states' interest versus some private financial personal family or business reason. >> carl, i think back to the election and to the campaign and two of the things that president trump talked about so much is i always hire the best people, the most qualified people and his huge attack against hillary clinton is that she mishandled classified information. he now has a white house of people including in his inner circle that can't get a top secret code word security clearance. >> you are right but in the case of kushner, it is clear he has violated security protocols. failing to tell national security about his secret

meetings with foreign leaders. that is one of the reasons were mcmaster become so upset. we have a situation really with a rogue son-in-law of the president of the united states that nobody except perhaps the special prosecutor and perhaps the president of the united states knows what the hell he has been up to. and i have been told by numerous people in the white house that president trump is in a rage and continues to rale that he wants to fire rod rosenstein and fire mueller and the reason is that his family and his own finances are under investigation and at the heart of part of what

mueller is looking at and mueller according to people who have been questioned by mueller's task forces is his prosecutors are indicating some real serious problems with the trump organization and the trump family's financial disclosure. >> the "washington post" broke a story last april. part of an apparent effort to establish a back panel, are you suspicious about any uae connection? >> i think you have to look at all of the countries that have interests in trump and kushner properties and how they may be looking to leverage that need for financing. the eb bank helped fund one of the trump properties in toronto that is the bank that kushner met with and also wanted to have back channel conversations. carl alludes to it. he is further along than i am

thinking about whether there is a cluessive. flynn and kushner are talking to the israelis and the egyptians about u.n. votes and there is a lot of stuff going on here that you can't sort of simply. in some sense we are lucky to have mueller to sort it out because congress isn't going to. >> let me add here for a quick second we don't know what mueller has. and i don't know what mueller has. but we do know these areas are under serious investigation by him and it is why it is believed by those who are watching this so closely that his investigation needs to go on unfetterred. >> we got to take a quick break.

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right now the story you won't see anybody else what and on whom robert mueller seems to be showing a special interest of. reporting which is going on right up until air time involves a team of our professionals. gloria borger and jim sciutto. what did you learn? >> we have been told that investigators for robert mueller have been asking questions of witnesses about business activities of donald trump in russia prior to the 2016 campaign at a time when mr. trump was considering a run

for president. this is significant because it shows that mueller's team reaches beyond the campaign and checking into whether to explore. and considering this presidential run. now to be clear, robert mueller's investigation is to focus on meddling in the election as well as ties between trump campaign associates and russians and by remit and the other lines of inquiry that may come up as investigation couldn'ts. -- continues. he would consider as crossing outs of the remit of the mueller investigation. >> gloria, in terms of the kinds of questions that mueller and his team are asking witnesses do we know? >> yeah, lengthy wide ranging interviews but we have been told by sources who have been interviewed by mueller that they

have been asking among other things when exactly donald trump decided to run for the presidency. how the ms. universe pageant was financed and why two potential deals in moscow fell through. we talked to one source and the source was asked whether there were russians hanging around the offices of trump towers and the source said no there weren't any. it is clear that the special counsel is trying to figure out where trump fits in his relationship with the russians and how far back it goes and whether in fact they could have leverage over him in any way shape or form. >> are some of these questions related to the dossier at all in terms of the details they were asking about in terms of trips to russia.

and just because they are asking questions doesn't necessarily mean they have information about it. they could be just making sure they check all the boxes. >> that is a fair caveat. asking questions does not mean the special counsel has lines of inquiry. beyond what gloria mentioned, questions about business dealings, trump tower, et cetera, witnesses also have been asked about the possibility or what they know about. but as you note, anderson, that was one of the things mentioned in the steele dossier which of course we should note much of the information in there remains uncorroborated. >> people we have spoken to are saying we are not sure where

they are headed but some of them found it interesting that they were asking these kinds of questions and they came to the conclusion that what the special counsel office is trying to do is figure out where this relationship between trump and the russians is or if there is one at all. >> it would also be interesting to know jim, how far back, you are saying the time frame is around when donald trump was thinking for running for president. and it would be interesting to know how far back mueller's interest in business dealings with donald trump go. >> that is a fair question as well. to our knowledge these relate to events as far back as 2013, and 2014. the ms. universe pageant that is in 2013. 2014, still dealings at a trump tower project in moscow. so before the publicly had announced or launched his

campaign. but sources tell us the president was considering a presidential run. >> thanks very much. back with our panel. does it surprise you at all? how significant do you think it could be? >> it doesn't surprise me. we have a mueller team including some subordinate lawyers who specialty is chasing money. an indictment that involves money. an investigation in jared kushner and his money connections. also a key real estate developer have money questions that are -- money relationships that are questionable. let me cut to the chase. this is not about whether

somebody is a spy or somebody colluded with the russians. this is about when somebody from russia picks up the call and says i want you to meet one of my friends do you take the call or not. and if you take the call is it because you have dirty money. that is what is going on. >> a lot of trump reporters would say, we had 1:00 last night on the program, if mueller is going back old business dealings, that is going back too far. that would be a red line. what do you say to those people, why would old business dealings play a potential role in collusion if there is any or any kind of shady compromising position that russia may have over somebody. >> let me flip the question and this is not complicated if you walk into a room and you are investigating a burglary and you

see a murder, and you are the fbi, do you say we are investigating the burglary. do you see in the documentation initially, the mandate was broad. if they are investigating contacts with the russians and they find financial irregularities what are they supposed to say? that is a federal legal violation and we are supposed to ignore it? i say investigate it. >> the elephant in the room, what the russians might have on the president but robert mueller would be eager to find that out. >> he would be. but also as you just said, we don't know. but these same attorneys that gloria and others, myself have talked about, some of them have concluded that what mueller is doing among other things is he is going to present a vast narrative, a report of the trump family. donald trump, president trump, the trump organization, russia

and the business dealings of the family, the organization, and the internecine dealings. and how american policy presidential policy might have been affected or might not be affected. if donald trump keeps saying there is no there there, there is no quote collusion meaning a conspiracy with russians to undermine our electoral system, then mueller will say so in such a vast narrative. so far the indications we have from president trump who keeps talking about a witch hunt and what we saw with his nsa director today saying he hasn't been empowered to go back with the russians with cyber tools, the president of the united states seems oblivious to the danger here and this is part of the narrative. it is all fitting together in

what mueller is trying to do. but the extent of criminality we don't know. >> carrie, nothing inherently wrong or businessmen to be discussing potential deals in russia and contemplating a run for president at the same time. legally where is this problematic? >> the issue is whether or not these business dealings have compromised him and whether or not his financial dealings in the past and whether he is in debt or whether he was saved from being if debt years ago whether that is influencing his role as president today. so in other words, what carl is talking about is the fact that it is now a fact that the russians intended to influence the election. we know it from the intelligence committee reporting and we know it by the indictment that has been launched. president of the united states refused to acknowledge that fact that the russians deliberately tried to influence the election and has not directed any

activity to counter that threat. that is a national security threat that he is not in my view conducting his actual role as president by ignoring it and not bringing the whole of government response to address it. >> yeah. >> and so part of what the special counsel is trying to get at is why the president a, tried to shut down this investigation multiple times. so part of it speaks to the potential obstruction angle. and b, why from a foreign policy and national security perspective he continues to not address that issue. and what is it about potentially prior financial dealings that might inform those decisions and his view. >> michael, the whole that family financials is behind that fine line.

that is moot. the organization is essentially the trump family. >> i think that is right. when rosenstein testified, is that he said he is in contact with muler and with respect to the mandate that says matters that may arise. mueller gets further clarification from rosenstein, this quote-unquote money laundering aspect of trump's business is going to be on his plate, mueller's plate. two important things to note. one, in dossier, cohen is referenced -- that is a source of contention that has to be investigated. secondly with respect to the june 9th meeting those who promoted the meeting are the agalarovs.

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hope hicks one of the president's longest serving aides spent a long time testifying before the house intelligence committee. joining me is eric swalwell who was there when ms. hicks testified. >> today more bricks were put into the wall between a congressional investigation and what happened with the trump campaign and russia. we saw from ms. hicks a new

assertion of privilege that we have never seen before and selective testimony and a refusal to answer a number of questions particularly that go to the credibility of the president and candidate trump. >> you say new assertion and privilege that you haven't heard before, can you say what kind? >> well ms. hicks told us the white house told her she is not allowed to talk about since the election day. and miss hicks involvement. >> i know democrats requested a subpoena for miss hicks today. did the republican why they wouldn't grant a subpoena? >> which was once he refused to

answer questions he was actually within an hour presented with a subpoena and brought back for additional questioning. it means it was more likely republicans wanted to punish a perceived political enemy there with mr. bannon. >> is there appetite from the republicans to issue a subpoena and without a subpoena is there any way to compel her to answer questions? >> none was shown today. and other witnesses who have invoked similar privileges that do not exist. like don junior. and then roger stone of course has refused to come back and

tell us about conversations that he had with wikileaks and there is a number of privileges that do not relate to the law but are trump family and organization privileges. >> can you say if she said anything of interest or value to your investigation? >> certainly. we learned a number of new pieces of evidence today that helped fill in the picture of what relationships were with the trump campaign and russia or people in russia who were reaching out to the campaign and again there, is a lot of questions about what actions the president took after many of this was made public and whether you know, he sought to mislead the public in the statements that were put forward and she refused to give us any information on that on the grounds that the white house told her she can't answer. >> just lastly you said jared kushner should be sidelines but not fired.

do you think he should remain at the white house. >> i think it is the president's prerogative have anyone remain on his staff. i still believe, i am a purist when it comes to the different branches of government. if the president wants to be incompetent people on his staff, that is his prerogative. >> and use his business entanglements to his advantage. >> it says more about the president and his judgments than anything else. i don't believe that mr. kushner should go anywhere near classified information. >> congressman swalwell, thanks.

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tonight's breaking news on robert mueller's apparent focus on donald trump's precampaign business dealings in russia plus all the jared kushner news today all appear to signal what could be serious and substantial movement in the mueller investigation. at the same time, after a brief lull in which he went completely silent, president trump came roaring back on twitter today. "witch hunt," he tweeted this morning in all caps, a sort of digital primal scream. and a familiar refrain. former clinton independent counsel kenneth starr appeared sunday on fox news and the president also tweeted out a passage from the interview quoting judge starr. the president tweeted, "we've seen no evidence of collusion. i have seen nothing. the firing of james comey and all the aftermath, that suggests that the president has obstructed justice because he's

exercising his power as the president of the u.s., i just don't see it." judge starr joins us momentarily along with jeff toobin. just briefly, though, keeping them honest, it is worth pointing out we have not yet seen evidence of collusion or obstruction from special counsel mueller for a very simple reason. a, there may not be any. but he's also not released anything on that, and he is not talking. he speaks through indictments and guilty pleas and there have been plenty, some for allegedly or admittedly lying to investigators about contacts with russians. 13 alleging tampering by russians in the campaign to help candidate trump and/or just cause chaos. the deputy attorney general rosenstein went out of his way after that one to strongly suggest that these would not be the last indictments, and some of the language does as well. so to pick up on the president's notion, there have been a lot of real witches or allegedly real ones already and perhaps more to come. we're pleased that judge starr is with us as well as jeffrey toobin. can you definitively say -- and what you said is i've seen no collusion, no evidence of collusion. >> right. >> because the investigation is ongoing, even if there is, you

would not have seen any evidence. >> we don't know. we do not know what bob mueller knows. what we have seen thus far suggests to me an absence. in fact, i think that the indictment that you mention, anderson, of the 13 russians and the three russian companies is actually at this stage, at this stage, a contraindication because this was a huge operation, lavishly financed, organized out of st. petersburg, russia, very close to vladimir putin. it was organized by one of the oligarchs. and i think this was essentially a shadow indictment of vladimir putin, who had a huge operation with -- there's no evidence of any collusion with any american campaign. there is some unwitting participation. i think that's an important word. the unwitting participation, which again suggests to me it's a contraindication that this was some kind of conspiracy with trump tower. but we'll see. >> but in terms of building an

investigation, there's no reason why robert mueller would show all his evidence -- and again, we don't know if there is or not, but would show everything at once. he seems to be methodically building a case. >> bob mueller is a total professional, and one of the key things i think is for us to allow bob mueller to do his job, to get it done as promptly as he can, and he's moving with great efficiency, and i think he's moving with integrity. >> do you believe that the president, because of his role, cannot be accused of -- cannot obstruct justice, that anything the president does is not obstruction of justice? >> no, no. he could exercise his power such as in firing james comey and so forth, and here i just have a different perspective than some of the people who say, oh, this is evidence of obstruction. i just disagree with it. and i disagree with it based upon supreme court precedent. the supreme court has warned, don't think everything is obstruction of justice. you can impede an investigation. you can say, i think i'm going to impede this investigation.

i'm going to tell someone not to testify. and the supreme court has been absolutely clear with federal prosecutors, you're going too far. and one of the prosecutors who was told he was going too far is anthony weissman, on bob mueller's staff. now, that was yesteryear. but that is still the law of the land. by the way, that was a unanimous supreme court saying prosecutors, not everything is an obstruction of justice. >> jeff toobin, i want you to weigh in on what the judge is saying. >> well, i certainly agree that not everything is an obstruction of justice. but the idea that the president has the absolute power to fire the director of the fbi for any reason, for no reason, for a corrupt reason. if, for example, someone deposited a suitcase full of cash on the oval office desk and said please fire the fbi director because i don't want to be prosecuted and then he fired the fbi director, would that be permissible too, judge? >> absolutely not. now, that is corruption, and

that's the key. that is the key word that everyone is bandying around. it is corrupt. it is a corrupt effort to interfere with the obstruction of justice. and so exactly. i've been saying that all along. if there's any evidence of a payment or some sort of conspiracy with, let's say, russians, we don't like this investigation, and we're going to enter into this business deal -- i'm speaking hypothetically. we're going to enter into this business deal, but you've got to get rid of bob mueller. then obviously that is a corrupt motive to interfere. but the president has been so amazingly transparent, i don't like the investigation, i think it's hurting the country, it's deflecting attention and so forth. that doesn't sound to me like corruption. >> do you think -- go ahead, jeff. >> you testified famously and brilliantly, although i disagreed with it, that president clinton could be impeached for obstruction of justice. but if the president -- if this

president of the united states fires the fbi director because the fbi director is investigating him, that's not corruption like bill clinton engaged in corruption for lying in the grand jury or for telling betty curry to lie? why aren't they both corrupt? >> no. you're talking now about a very different venue. you're talking about impeachment. i'm talking about the crime of obstruction of justice, which is thus far being bandied about. it's not bob mueller's prerogative to determine what an impeachable offense is. i did have that responsibility as the independent counsel. and so what we did was to bring the information to congress's attention, and we didn't say it's a crime. we said there's substantial and credible information. so the quarrel i have is, is this a courthouse activity? and i don't think it is. that is, i don't think crimes have been committed. or is it something for congress to consider? and obviously congress has broad powers. >> jeff, let me ask you because you praised robert mueller and

you said you think the investigation should run its course. >> right. >> you know, the reporting we have tonight is that he's looking at financial dealings of then-candidate trump and even citizen trump when he was thinking about running for president. do you believe that's fair in his purview because the president seems to think that's a red line. >> i don't know whether it's fair or not, but i do know this. under the special counsel regulations under which bob mueller was reported, there is a check and a balance. that was one of the criticisms of the independent counsel law. the view was there are not enough checks and balances. there's no accountability on the part of the independent counsel. here there's lots of accountability, and that's the deputy attorney general. rod rosenstein can in fact step in under the regulations and say, you're not going to go there. i'm the one who, as the deputy attorney general, says this is a red line. so the very fact, by the way, that the indictment against the russians was announced by rod rosenstein i think is very

powerful symbolically. it is reminding the country that he is the head of the justice department for purposes of this investigation, is in charge. >> do you agree that this is -- do you believe as the president does that this is a witch hunt? >> no. >> you think it's a legitimate investigation? >> these are -- bob mueller is a professional and i have great confidence in his integrity. >> judge ken starr, i appreciate it. thanks for being with us. jeff toobin as well. a great deal ahead. the president's son-in-law, jared kushner, will not receive a top security clearance, which may imperil his work at the white house. that and a lot more when we come back. whoooo. when it comes to travel, i sweat the details. late checkout... ...down-alternative pillows... ...and of course, price. tripadvisor helps you book a... ...hotel without breaking a sweat. because we now instantly... ...search over 200 booking sites ...to find you the lowest price... ...on the hotel you want. don't sweat your booking. tripadvisor. the latest reviews. the lowest prices.

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