"a" one student told me he realized today he had been so wrapped up in fighting for changes for gun laws over the past two weeks, today it was as if reality slapped him in the face when he saw an empty desk in one of the desks in the classroom next to him. >> that's it for me. erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront next breaking news, white house in turmoil. hope hicks the president's closest confidante, gone, abruptly resigning, just a day of an admitting she's told lies for the president. what's behind her sudden depart tour. >> plus more breaking news t after jared kushner loses top security clearance, trump sounding like a democrat on gun reform, calling outlaw makers for being afraid of the native american. is th nra. is this reality show or is this the real donald trump? let's go outfront.

good evening i'm erin burnett. outfront breaking news, white house rocked by major resignation. one of the president's trusted advicering, hope hicks. 23-year-old be 29 years old worked with ivanka trump before that. she rows stunningly quickly, by far the yong es person in the president's inner circle. just to give you an idea how vital hicks is to the president. one of the president's close allies telling us quote, she was his last emotional crush. that source telling hicks departure was sudden. trump berated hicks to her testimony to congress yesterday, nine hours, telling lies on behalf of the president. how she could be so stupid, apparently that was the final straw for hope hicks. as news of her sudden departure broke, telling cnn i'm floored,

i think importance of her role within the white house. a valuable team member and one of the originals who remain in the white house is jared kushner who of course stripped of his top security clearance yesterday. ivanka trump and dan scavino who works with the president on social media. two of which are core to the russia investigation. she was reportedly with the president the weekend he decided to fire then fbi jim comey. she was involved in writing the donald trump junior statement about the trump tower meeting with russians. and just weeks ago she was crucial in drafting the white house statement defending rob porter a man whom she was dating. porter white house top aide accused of abusing two ex-wives and former give friend. hope hicks is the third communication director to leave the white house. today one in twi have left. one in three. that is just the first year of

the trump administration according to a study tracking this. jeff zeleny begins outfront live at the white house. this is stunning, no one more close to the president every step of the way, emotional crush as it was cridescribed to me. what are you learning about her stunning departure? >> reporter: no questions, we talked about resignation, this one is different. hope hicks was not ha political expert but she was a donald trump expert. she worked for him longer than virtually anyone else on staff. she joined right before he decided to announce for president. and was along with him entire way. and sat just steps outside the oval office. saw everything he did. she played a major role here. so this is coming across as a major bombshell. people across the west wing were surprise. people were crying. they were upset. in fact when she held a meeting with the few small staffers who report to her, she was crying

and upset. because she wants because she said she wants to pursue other things. unclear. but the timing is what it is. hours and hours after a couple of days of testimony in a december to a bob mueller special counsel team? unclear. but that certainly also played a role into this pressure cooker situation. but it is that rob porter resignation questioning her judgment for one time. we don't know if that's related to that she says she does want to pursue other opportunities. but the question is how will the president get along without her? calls out the name, hope, hope, for so many things. voice quiet on the outside. never saw her on sunday shows. but inside this white house it was loud and clear. in the coming weeks, erin, in a

few weeks when she leaves that voice will no longer be here. >> thank you, very much jeff zeleny, and it's a big loss for this president, person who relies on this individual, and this individual perhaps any other, whatever her role is, helping with a tweet, being there when he needs someone to talk to, she was a person. and that will be avoid. and now our panel here, and tim n with me in new york. she was there since the beginning. she was always there. any meeting he would have with the press, she was always there. any time in the office she was always there. as this source told me she was his last emotional crutch. how big is this? >> well, you know, all presidents have change. and the team that starts with the president may not be the

same team that's in the first term. but what we are seeing is a dramatic churning of the inner circle. and given the president trump is among the more conspiratorially minded presidents, loyalty matters the most. so this must be a very emotional thing for him. this coupled with the fact he can't talk to jared kushner anymore about elements. but, remember, we have a president who doesn't want the details. he doesn't want to sit and read that early too. he doesn't have a loyalist who can give him that material. i feel the president should feel a little at sea with hope hicks resignation. we don't know whether he pushed her out by mistakes, then he's also going to worry she won't be completely loyal later on as she gets asked tough questions by the mueller investigation. >> these are tough questions as jeff zeleny pointed out

testified to mule tear, whole thing with rob porter and handling that situation. then yesterday of course nine hours with testimony house and intelligence committee where she admitted to telling lies for the president, which is very significant. >> white lies. >> some of the headlines there. source tell meeting that the president berated her last night. that was his response. we won't get this through together. it was how could you be so stupid as to say that you had ever lied for me. what are you hearing about the timing and the reason here, april? >> well, what i'm hearing from my sources is that the timing is real. i mean, what happened yesterday just further put the nail in the coffin for her. you know, i understand that during the time when she wrote the statement about her then boyfriend rob porter, general kelly was very upset. and there has been tension between both. and this just totally sealed it.

and she had -- this is what i'm being told from some sources she had given attentive resignation at that time around the rob porter statement. but after this, what happened yesterday with the white lie, they were like it's time. and even though you've heard from a statement from sarah sanders, also general kelly, still tension about this. really big um set. ap the president's back is against the wall with this russian situation. that's one of the reasons that we see him not wanting this investigation to continue. and thinking about cutting the mueller investigation off. and this once again puts another nail in that coffin, and that's something he doesn't want. so what i'm hearing is that she may have given a resignation, but it was a forced resignation. >> and mark preston, here's the thing, as tim is pointing out, the president now alone in a way he has not been. he is a person, you no he, just even from covering him and

knowing him for more than a decade that i have, he needs a person around him at all times. that person that he's going to call out their name and they are there. and that person has always been a woman. and now she's gone h right. wasn't always hope but it's hope now. and now she's gone. how significant is this moment for the president? >> i think it's very significant. but not just for the president, but for the country. and quite frankly it's for our diplomatic relations with other countries. hope hicks has been really the blanket for donald trump. you know, the thing that he could grasp onto and feel comfort from. that he knew was loyal. look, when you come to washington, became president of the united states, you get a lot of friends. everybody wants to be your friend. they want to be there. they want to offer you advice. but you don't get a whole lot of loyal friends. those rts folks you have been with most of your career, folks who might have been with you in previous lives, folks that you can trust and rely on that want to be near you because they like you, not because they like the

power that you have. and it is concerning. and to add to that, we also saw the deputy communications director josh rafael he is leaving as well. somebody else close to the family. so this was a one-two punch to the trump family. and what we know from president trump's habits, he goes up into the private residence, gets on the phone, watches cable television, starts to tweet out, does his things. what he won't have when he goes downstairs to the oval office, he won't have that familiar face that he can trust that he likes, that he feels comfortable with anymore. >> tan tim what does that mean? when you talk about how he can be conspiracy theory minded. one person telling me there is stopping him from being mad man, the person who knows the president. obviously perhaps using the word lightly but perhaps not. when we saw that sheet of paper the other day, when he was

listening to the families and students from the high school shooting, at the end it was, i hear you. and he was of course criticized that needed to have that. but hope hicks is the one who wrote that and gave him that. >> well, every president brings their own moafia with them, and these are the people as mark was saying that they trust. and as presidents get more comfortable, they don't need that team as much. richard nixon, for example, needed that team, and it was a tremendous blow when he had to push out his closest aides. in fact, he told his speech writer was considering, believe it or not, suicide. this is 1973. so different presidents have different emotional needs. but they all seem to need this group of loyalists. this is a president who is losing them all. before the second year is done. we should expect, i'm afraid, more ranting, more misbehavior,

more acting out, unless kelly and he have formed some kind of bond, which most interesting here is he's allowed kelly to push his son-in-law out. we'll see though. >> right. and april what is the reaction inside the white house? you know, white house which let's be honest, leaks like a sieve and almost negatively. but hope hicks was someone there hadn't been leaked. seemed to be well-liked by a lot of people. what's the reaction inside the white house and perception of the boss when he is losing someone as important as she was to him? >> well, there are people who can step into that role. and one person that we haven't talked about, kellyanne conway. i know when the president has gotten in trouble on dwtwitter, she's gone to him and said sir, how hcan i help you, talk to hi that way. and he liens on her somewhat.

they talk. so i believe she may play a bigger role in that piece. but when we look at what is happening, we saw it together. they canceled the press briefing. and there was a fear that someone could have gotten a little bit of inkling or a leak what was happening. they didn't want to step on this listening session for guns. so that's one of the reasons why they canceled the briefing today. so a lot of this is strategic. and they didn't want this to get out until they wanted it out. they wanted the president to make the statements about the gun then come this out. >> he wanted this em to have the moment which is what he wanted and not over shadowed by hope hicks which has completely happened. mark? >> listen, this sa tough day. this is a very tough day right now for president trump. and as tim and april and yourself and i are kind of ruminating about what's going to happen, i think there is great concern. because donald trump is not a product of washington. he doesn't have allies in town.

he wasn't a former senator. he wasn't a former governor where he was surrounded by people that believed in him necessarily and came with him here. he surrounded himself by people right now that are folks who have either made their career in politics or folks tried to make their career in politics and saw this as a golden opportunity to go to the white house. he is in a lot of trouble. and as tim said we'll see a lot of ranting and perhaps behavior that could top what we have seen so far. >> all right. thank you all very much. >> what's new? >> well, i guess that's the case, if she was the last thing between him and that, then it was a thin barrier indeed. but nonetheless such that it was, whips of a barrier is gone. who will follow hope hicks out the door? one of the crucial questions this hour. trump not happy we are now hearing with the chief of staff, john kelly. plus attorney general for the first time fighting back against president trump. what made jeff sessions snap and stand up for himself.

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we the people... are defined by the things we share. and the ones we love. who never stop wondering what we'll do or where we'll go next. we the people who are better together than we are alone... are unstoppable. welcome to the entirely new expedition. and following breaking news shocking exit of president trump closest advisers, hope hicks resigning. just hours after her nine hour testimony to the committee as russian investigation. timing could not be worst for the white house because comes less than after president trump wrapped up talking about guns. but when you are hemorrhaging

people from your inner circle in the white house, that's unfortunately going to take over. now, new york governor friend of president trump for more than 15 years, rod, and straight gitegi thanks to both of you. here's the this hinge, rob, there is no way to kind of make this look nice. this is a big deal. and it's a big loss for this president. >> personally, it's a very big loss. as a ceo or as president or anyone at the top, it's lonely. and when you go in there, you have the team, and you have your team. the team is built around by professionals you'll have run. and your team of the people who know you best, you really really trust. hope was one of the people he really really trusted. so with her leaving only handful left, and he's going to feel like he's on an island. and that mistrust is already there with leaks and investigation and in fighting and really could get worse. >> here's the thing, paul, whatever debates there are and the time someone telling me it

was the way he was berated her for her testimony yesterday. there could have been other reasons as well. we are not 100% sure. but here's the thing. he canceled the press briefing today. because they wanted guns meeting and wanted the video on the president and to be all about that. they knew the minute this came out no one was going to be talking very much about that. yet it still came out. >> right. >> which would indicate she didn't want to wait. this was done. >> for the white house, that's a shame, right. adversaries it's great. but the meeting today was remarkable. amazing. you don't see very often. president was transparent. as a democrat i thought he was very fair. i was ready to come on tonight and say nice things. i'm glad i did. but this is awful professionally. fifth communications director in 13 months in the white house. and by the way the person who

put out the statement on november 11th right after the election, she put out the statement that says, quote, there was no communication between the campaign and foreign entity. that's a lie. she may not have known it. >> or that could have been what she perceives white lie. we don't know. >> donald trump junior that said tower where they were trying to get dirt on hillary clinton, that was a lie, talking about adoption. so she's been behind awful lies. maybe because the president is ordering her or her idea. >> or her nature. >> we don't know. >> it's going to be hard to get top notch person to go in there after you burn through five people. most of whom have left with their credibility in tatters. >> so that's the thing, who is going to work for him now? >> i think it's time for the

moosh part 2. >> it's time. >> look, they need somebody good to get in there and keep things on track. sort of like what general kelly has seemingly been able to do, but they are going to need that and need that quick. >> we are talking about of the people who are the president's insiders that he trusts, two of them, jared and ivanka are family, one stripped as of yesterday, security clearance, and dan scavino been with him throughout the campaign. they said inner circle, here's what blumenthal said. >> hope hicks stepping down is only one step in what needs to be a complete review of national security practices and protocols. there is no way that jared kushner can continue doing his job if she stepped down, it

should be only a short time before he does as well. >> i mean, is that -- is that what's happening here? last thing the president can afford on a personal and emotional level. ? >> part of that is natural. i was down there in december, and saw dan scavino who i've known forever. i said you look like a character on walking dead. you are exhausted. that's how it is there. it's 20 hours a day. you have to get there before he gets there and leave well after. nonstop. so i think it's natural. she's 28. she's fairly young. >> 29, i believe. >> experienced. and i don't know, look, i don't think she was forced out. because i do believe there is a shelf life working in the west wing. are you there constantly. and at some point the rope ends. you run out of it. you are exhausted and you want to go out and make money and do other things. so i think it's natural that there is always going to be turnover. the way it happened, how it happened today is probably not the way they wanted it as an exit. >> i think at the least we have

to, anyone would have to admit this, this is not how you want it to happen. you have your guns, and now no one cares. mueller is investigating to oust jeff sessions in july. talking about sessions was worst ever. but mueller looking at it could be significant. and we'll be talking much more about sessions. but part of the washington report says referred to him as mr. ma goo, trump told associates hired best lawyers the entire life but sticking with sessions because he's loyal. >> why do they leak everything? i love that they do. but professional in me says everybody has unkind things about somebody they work with. and every president complains about this person or that person in his cabinet. they dochlt again, i'm not going

to defend donald trump. much bigger problem are efforts to remove attorney general. doesn't matter he does it in public. if mueller can prove that's done with a corrupt intent to obstruct the investigation into the russian case and the trump case, that's obstruction of justice. that's ha big if. but the president can fire the attorney general for any reason but he can't do it for corrupt motive. that's a crime. and that's i think mueller is trying to gt at. >> what do you make here, because we'll talk more about sessions, but of the leaks? of the fact that even the people closest to trump are willing to go tell "the washington post," called jeff sessions mr. ma goo, who is old, myopic and mr. ma goo? >> i guarantee you it's not his team. it's part of the team. and people in the white house brought in never had a relationship with, who don't like. >> but you admit someone known him for a long time, other

presidents have been able to get people on board? >> yeah. >> we didn't hear about bush or barack obama nasty things? >> right. >> but we do about trump? >> we are whole new world. administration never could have predicted acted this way. it's constant. chaos is constant. but i think part of it, people are maybe feeling they have to either save their reputation and work with the press, if they are doing that, they shouldn't be there. they should not be there. >> some of that going on for sure. >> the big thing is the investigation. that's the overhang. go back to nixon with find a white house this many people in potential peril. they cannot lie. blue, purple, you can't lie to mr. mueller or you'll go to prison. >> i'll hit pause. special counsel robert mueller now looking at efforts oust attorney general. story just breaking right now

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breaking news, "the washington post" reporting tonight that special counsel robert mueller is investigating president trump's a parent efforts to drive attorney general jeff sessions from his job. now, the report is that they are specifically looking at last summer in july, which would have been around the same time president trump said this. >> i'm very disappointed with the attorney general. but we will see what happens. time will tell. time will tell. >> now, sessions didn't respond at the time. but now after the president has said many things like that about him, he is fighting back against the president's latest public shaming. sessions responding to the president this morning, and i'll explain exactly what happened here, saying, quote, i'll continue to discharge my duties with integrity than and honor.

highly unprecedented response from sessions and came directly in response to president trump tweet this morning, why is sessions asking attorney general to investigate fisa abuse. isn't og obama guy. why not use department lawyers? disgraceful. i want to go to "washington post" who joins me on the phone with this breaking news. josh, your head line on the story, mueller investigation examining trump's efforts to oust sessions in july. what is the bottom line of your report tonight? >> reporter: sure. thanks for having me. our reporting in july president trump was obviouslily belittling jeff sessions, criticizing him.

and behind the scenes fuming about him to a number of his advisers and people around him. what the special counsel is interested in is whether the president in doing these things was trying to push sessions out so he could exercise more control over the investigation. as we and others have reported, president has been fuming that jeff seegssions recused himself from the probe. said time and time again more loyal to him. and during that time period, there was a public shaming campaign seen as trying to push jeff sessions out of his job. and mueller wants to know what did he want people to know? was he disappointed in sessions performance which would be lawful reason? or more nefarious reason? >> right. get to the heart of obstruction

of justice case which we know they have been looking at with comey, now you are reporting actively asking these questions about had the president's efforts to oust sessions in the summer. and of course everything he said about sessions didn't respond to when it wasn't personal, it was about the department. you also report, josh, in your story, behind the scenes, i'm quoting from your report, trump has dewripointed to him as mr. goo. the fact they were willing to share that with you, that the president would say something so negative about his attorney general? >> sure. but i think if you read coverage out of a swine house, often lively and colorful reports from our news outlets and others. the president talks to a very wide circle of people. i've had sources tell me in the

course of one weekend he can talk to 50 or 100 people on the telephone. he gets fixated on certain issues, jeff sessions, no one has outraged him in the last month or two than jeff sessions. he felt betrayed and frustrated. and a lot of venting about mr. sessions. i had senior person tell me in the course of reporting this story that they just don't bring up jeff sessions anymore to the president for fear they know which way it will go if he hears his name. anyway. >> which is pretty incredible. they don't bring his name up to the president. and as you point out no one has outraged the president quite as much as jeff sessions in the past year or so. thank you very much josh for your reporting here. this breaking news from the "washington post." i want to go straight to our jessica snyder now. you know, jess karks obviously this is very significant report from "the washington post" tonight. and it comes as when you hear the president's tweets or the

comments that we just played that he had said about jeff sessions. jeff sessions never responded. right. he never, never responded to an insult from president trump. but today when the president came out and slammed him, called him disgraceful, in handling the situation into the fisa process, he fought back and fought back loud and clear. >> he did. he issued that statement, erin, that it's not a statement we have seen before. we haven't seen jeff sessions push back. but the reasons really for this, erin, are two fold. as you mentioned before when you were talking to josh, this was attack on the department of justice as a whole and the way it operates. the president asked in that tweet why did jeff sessions ask the inspector general to investigate these potential fisa abuses? well, that's exactly what the inspector general does, that's his job. so here's the description for inspector general, to investigate by doj employees, that's exactly what the ig is doing. and the ig at that point can

make criminal referrals to the doj for any prosecution. so the ig has been doing its job. second reason that jeff sessions pushed back today. my colleague laura jarret told by a source that the attorney general he viewed this tweet as going too far. since the president in this specifically called out justice department lawyers. it was right at the end of his tweet. he said in it, why not use them for the investigation. so given that the president in this tweet was essentially directing a prosecution by the doj, attorney felt he needed to speak out and push back. but granted, erin, the president has urged prosecutions by the doj before, particularly as it relates to hillary clinton, but it does seem at this time, today, this morning, ts attorney general had enough. erin. >> thank you very much with those new details. thank you. and, now, deck congressman ted

lieu. thanks for being with us tonight. that's the way the world goes, the world completely changes every hour when it comes to covering this administration. what's your reaction to the president's attack on the attorney general? and to the crucial thing that happened today which has never happened before, which is jeff sessions fought back? >> thank you, erin for your question. i think what we are seeing now are high level officials ranging from john kelly to jeff sessions pushing back on the president saying we will not take any more of your bullying. we'll stand up to tu and do what is right. and jeff sessions statement today was rather remarkable. he's basically saying the president was asking him to do something that he considered dishonorable and something that would violate his integrity and not going to do it. >> right. the first words from his response, perhaps the most crucial, i'll continue to discharge my duties with integrity and honor. very clear that he felt that the president was doing exact opposite of that. what's the president trying to do here? obviously i ask this in the context of the "washington post"

report about the special counsel investigating the president's a parent efforts to oust sessions as far back as last summer. what is he trying to do right now, congressman? >> i'm former prosecutor, and i can tell you that actions of donald trump are not consistent with that of an innocent person. if we are to believe this whole russia investigation is it a hoax, why would donald trump trying to obstruct it? he fired comey. and tried to fire mueller. tried to put pressure on rod rosenstein to resign. >> and now we know he tried to oust jeff sessions. those are actions of guilty person someone who has something to hide. >> is it possible something to hide but not russia? is it possible he wants people to be loyal to him, if they are not loyal, he thinks there is no there there, so i can move forward and do my job, i want to get rid of you, is that positive that's the motive and not covering up for anything? >> it's possible. but if you look at the over all

context, it's not likely. because as we sit here today donald trump has still not implemented bipartisan sanctions law on russia. he still refuses to condemn the cre kremlin or putin. and still not ordered to prevent another attack. so if you take that in context, something to hide in the russian investigation. >> one more reaction to this report in the "washington post" that mueller is looking at trump's efforts to oust sessions as far back as july. they are saying multiple people trump has referred to mr. see s sessions as mr. ma goo, bump link character. your reaction? >> i'm not surprised. that's why so many administration officials have

departed white house. while there has been scandal after scandal. and i have a sense americans want to serve the white house and confronted with a president that's taking actions and making statements that are harmful to the nation and they can't recognize the two. so either they leave or in this case they are pushing back. >> thank you very much, congressman lui. appreciate your time. >> thank you, erin. >> and now the guns meeting. it was an extraordinary meeting between lawmakers and president from all parties. all on camera as the president wanted it to be. one point calling out members of his own party saying they are quota frayed of the nra. here's how that played. >> it doesn't make sense that i have to wait until i'm 21 to get a handgun but get this weapon at 18. i don't know. so i'm curious what you did on the bill? >> we didn't address it mr. president. >> you know why, because you are afraid of the native american? >> phil mattingly is outfront. and he didn't mince words and

said it many times. what is going on there? >> i think everybody felt about the meeting, republican or democrat. take democrats, they sat there next to the president for almost an hour and listened him to all but endorse several of their proposals which do not have a majority support for republicans. i think one of the key questions i've asked by democrats lawmakers there and aides working on this issue, which trump did they get today? legend on the hill is it tuesday trump or is it thursday trump? snow what does that refer to? immigration. if you remember the wide ranging live on tv immigration meeting president had on daca where he seemed open to just about everything. 48 hours later, that door was completely closed. and daca, well we all know that hasn't been resolved at all. so democrats are trying to figure out right now if these doors are actually open or if this was just another, as one aide told me, performance by the president. now, erin, shift over to

republicans and one put it they were perplexed, another, this probab probably scribes better, they were furious, the comment to nra or something known as gun violence restraining order which vice president was trying to explain to him. the president says do due process afterwards. republicans are up settle about that idea. very upset they felt the president put them in a bad position on this debate. here's the reality on capitol hill. house republicans have made clear they have done issues legislation what they are going to do going forward. gun controls and restrictions is not in the bailiwick going forward. i can tell you just a few hours before the meeting, senate republicans had come to the near term future for debate didn't exist. no plans to move forward on something in the next couple of weeks. clearly this meeting was almost incredible. i think you can describe the big question becomes does it scramble this debate entirely? does it change the direction of the way things are going?

or frankly does thursday trump come out in a couple of days, erin? >> right. and of course thursday will be influenced by everything going on including hope hicks and coverage. thanks so much, phil. next, did something happen with the house intelligence committee yesterday that made hope hicks resign so suddenly today? i'll ask a congressman in the room. and with the truth about exactly what qualifies as a white lie. oh thanks. say, yeah, i took your advice and had geico help with renters insurance- it was really easy. easy. that'd be nice. phone: for help with chairs, say "chair." phone: for help with bookcases, say "bookcase." bookcase. i thought this was the dresser? isn't that the bed? phone: i'm sorry, i didn't understand.

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breaking news, hope hicks resigning. one of president trump's longest advisors resigning suddenly. she admitted telling white lies on behalf of the president. hick's resignation does not have anything to do with her testimony yesterday. tom rooni who sets on the committee. do you think hope's sudden departure has anything to do

with her testimony? >> i don't know. there were reports that she was talking about leaving. so it may have played a role, but i wouldn't blame her. the committee hearing lasted for nine hours and the one thing that got out that you led this program with is that hope hicks lies for president trump was leaked by the democratic side of the aisle to the media and that has driven the news today. not the nine-hour testimony that she gave of her knowledge of what russian collusion or lack there of may have been. but this one nugget. and that is why tonight i've asked our chairman conway that we need to end this investigation. it has been going on for a year. we interviewed scores of witnesses and now we have gotten to the point now where we are literally bringing people in for

nine hours just so the democrats can leak to the press something as ridiculous as white lies and that drives the whole story for the whole next day. >> let me just, because it is important, you know, and you were there, so you will know, our congressional reporter manu raju is saying that hicks was pressed about whether she has lied for trump, and she acknowledged she had to -- did she use those words or how exactly did she phrase it? >> the question was have you ever lied for the president. and which as you know is an extremely broad question. that could be like me telling a staffer to tell somebody that is calling on the phone that i am not here. that would be asking my staffer to life for me. that would include the question being asked was.

i chimed in at that moment and said can we please specify as to whether or not if you are asking her if she lied with regards to the russian, that would be impeaching the witness that she is not truthful and of course to that she said she has not lied with regard to any of those things. and the question is, so you are talking about white lies and she repeated that. it wasn't exactly in that time frame, but that's how the term white lies came out. >> so someone else used the words and she did repeat t but what you are saying, she was -- >> it was a trap. it was a trap and that is what our investigation has become. >> you are saying she explicitly said she had never lied about the russian investigation or collusion or anything else. >> exactly and that is not in

the news at all today. that is what our investigation has become. i have never gone on tv to talk about the russian investigation because i don't think it is appropriate. but if we have gotten to the point that we are leaking things like this, then we are completely off the rails and this investigation needs to end. >> the "washington post" is reporting the special counsel is looking in detail into the president's comments, state of mind when appearing to oust jeff sessions. you know the back and forth between the two gentlemen today. i know that maybe perhaps the purview which your committee is looking at which perhaps is what you are specifically referring to. or are you saying there is no there at all and you think bob mueller is full of it too.

>> i don't have a comment and i don't want to imply at all that what mr. mueller is doing is legitimate or illegitimate. it has nothing or should have fog to nothing to do with the house intelligence committee. and in our investigation, over the last year, we have had not one witness come forward or interviewed that has given us any evidence of collusion, conspiracy, coordination between the trump campaign or the russian government. not one. and now we are basically going through the motions and trying to find tabloid type news to give to you guys that becomes the driving cycle of the day and that needs to end. with regards to mueller, his investigation is his investigation and i will leiave

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nobody saw your bald spot. >> alternative facts. >> reporter: white lies are the new alternative facts. confusion about whether the words white lies came out of hope's lips. her testimony was given behind closed doors and she acknowledged telling little not substantive lies. may have been the source describing her testimony who actually said white lies. whether she used fleetwood mack wordings or jason and the scorchers, it is the same gist taken at the president's love for nicknames. a "washington post" cartoonist created lying hicks with a nose that grows. not if it is a white lie.

jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> and thanks so much for joining us. you can watch "outfront" any time, any where, "ac 360" begins right now. >> what a day. a lot of breaking news tonight. on top of more big developments all day long. knew reporting on the president and jeff sessions. mueller is focusing on the first time he did. also, the sudden departure of white house communication director hope hicks and late words of the presidential berating she got for it. lying on his behalf. white lies she