>> whose business is he doing when he's in the white house? >> jared kushner simply cannot continue in his present role. >> some of you people are petrified of the nra. if you add concealed carry to this, you'll never get it passed. >> mr. president, it's going to have to be you to bring the republicans to the table on this. >> we need to act. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." it's thursday, march 1st, 8:00 in the east. two days of chaos in the white house. white house communications director hope hicks is resigning. she's still there, but will soon be gone. a source tells cnn that the president berated her for admitting to lawmakers that she tells, quote, white lies, end quote, on his behalf. adding to his turmoil, president trump attacking his own attorney general again for how he's handling allegations of surveillance abuses.

"the washington post" reports robert mueller is looking into the president's efforts to force sessions out last summer. >> and there's more. jared kushner has heat on him. the president's son-in-law is now facing a damning report in "the new york times" that says he secured hundreds of millions of dollars in loans for his family business after taking meetings with financial executives at the white house. the key here is the timing. now, moments ago we spoke about all of this, all this west wing chaos, whether it's real, with former white house communications director anthony scaramucci. listen to what he says about morale at the white house. listen, this is a man with zero interest in saying something that's hollow in its negativity of the president. he says morale is a real problem. >> it's a big departure in the sense that this is one of the president's closest friends,

aides, loyalists, somebody that understands the heartbeat of the president, understands his personality and also is -- she's incredibly good at guiding people. i will tell you this about hope -- washington is a rough place. we know that. there's not a malicious bone in hope's body. she's a wonderful person, always trying to do the right thing, cares about everybody, not interested in conflict, not interested in the ego rub. >> on the negative side, she says she did tell some lies for the president. she said that there was no communications between anyone from trump and russians. she underplayed the situation with that meeting and the drafting of the response thereto. the rob porter thing was a debacle of ep peck proportions. >> let's unpack each of those things. let's start with the white lies. i would submit to your viewers, anybody in america, tell me the person that hasn't told me a white lie, i'll identify that person as the biggest liar in

the room. here is what happened in washington that i can't stand. she's in a closed door session, it's under oath, you know how important that is. the integrity of every sentence, every syllable. they asked her if she told any white lies. she said yes probably. i wasn't there. then they pick up the phone and drop a dime on her. it's totally unfair. it's a closed session and in strict confidence. so now they're trying to colorize this woman who is an extremely gifted professional as a liar. i submit back to everybody else, hold a mirror to your face and tell me you haven't told a white lie. >> you think she was one of the good ones. >> high integrity, great person. >> what about the robert porter situation. >> i hold the white house chief of staff accountable for that. >> kelly you hold accountable? >> he had the information related to porter. i don't understand why he would allow hope to date porter. >> how can he deep her from dating -- >> my point is he had the

information, he tried to cover up the information, tried to get other people inside the white house to cover up the information for him. >> you believe kelly covered up the information about -- >> i do. >> that's not what the white house says. the white house says as soon as he found out, he acted on it. >> i don't believe that. >> is that another white lie? >> you've got to ask him. have him sit in the white chair and see if it's a white lie or not. the rob porter situation for me, i liked rob. i've been asked even by the president did i see any of that indication of rob. i didn't. but there was an fbi dossier on rob, and people knew about it. >> how does kelly survive then? why didn't he get the berated that hope hicks got? >> this is how it works. it's going to be up for the president to decide that. i guess he's an honorable marine, so he's got to look at himself in the mirror and say what he knew and when he knew

it. i'll tell you what i don't like about it. i talked smack about two guys we were trying to get rid of. he fires me in five seconds. these guys are smacking up their wives and he's trying to find a way to keep them in the white house. >> is it a personal grievance motivating you. >> it isn't. it's a cultural grievance because i've sat in this white chair with you over the six months after he fired me and said nothing but good things about him. i have no problem with him firing me. everybody has an opportunity and right to change their staff, particularly when they're the chief of staff. this is a cultural thing. the morale inside the white house, you're a great reporter, you have great reporters on staff. the morale is terrible. the reason the morale is terrible, the rule of intimidation doesn't work in a civilian environment. here we are. it's messed up. it will be up to the president to decide if he wants to fix it or not. >> the question is whether or not the president is

contributing to the turmoil. >> i predict more departures. >> you believe we should be open to more people leaving the administration? >> if the current situation and the current culture inside the administration stays exactly the way it is, there's literally no change, there will be a lot more departures. morale is at an all-time low and it's trending lower. >> all right. let's bring in cnn politics reporter and editor at large chris cillizza and cnn political analyst joshua green. it's good to have you both. we know anthony scaramucci well. so do you. he is completely not inclined to say anything negative about the president. that's not where we's coming from. he's not a critic. for him to say that morale is bad and getting worse, that it is destabilizing and putting meat on the bones of this ides of march notion that you'll see more people leave the white house, ha is remarkable. >> agreed, because he has his enemies, steve bannon, reince

priebus, john kelly it sounds like. but donald trump is not one of them. scaramucci knows where his bread is buttered at the end of the day. criticizing donald trump is not something he does. i do think his comments are worth noting for that reason because there is a sense -- people say hope hicks staffer. this is a sense that this is one of the only originals left who were with him in june 2015, and someone who is not family, who he trusts and who has showed total loyalty to him. the less of those people, the more likely you get the trump -- isolated trump, angry trump tweeting, even more and more nasty. the more unpredictable he is, the more dangerous he is to the republican party, its prospects in 2018 and to himself politically speaking. >> what's your reporting say about what the morale is inside the white house? >> in speaking to people inside the white house last night, that

is exactly how trump was, angry, upset, furious. people i've talked to said they've never seen things this bad. it's stunning from the standpoint of we were accustomed to this six months ago, eight months ago, a year ago. john kelly was brought in to assert order and hierarchy and to tamp this stuff down. everybody i talked to last night said things are absolutely out of control. >> by the way, add to the fact that jared kushner is -- i don't know want to say it's an untenable position, but his job overseeing the middle east peace process, liaising with china and mexico, i'm not sure you can do that job as currently constituted with the downgraded security clearance he now has. if jared kushner goes, he's never going to leave the trump orbit because he's married to donald trump's daughter, but if he goes, if that pulls ivanka away in in the nearer term, now

you don't even have those family connections because don trump and eric are handling the business and not involved in the political emd of donald trump's life. now you have dan scavino who is an original. that's not going to be enough for someone who has always depended on that small group, mostly family. >> why do you say that jared kushner would go? doesn't it make more sense that john kelly would go? >> that's up to the president. i think it's a sign that there's a real effort out there -- this has been on going for weeks now, since the rob porter scandal, among a certain faction of trump loyalists to try to make that happen. >> at times we know that donald trump has lost favor with -- >> we do. on the other hand, he said publicly, trump did, it's up to kelly who he wants to downgrade when it comes to security clearances and gave him tacit

permission to downgrade jared kushner. >> this is bad for me, let me give it to somebody else. then i'll come in and weigh in when it suits me. >> do what i want. >> on one level, i can get the frustration in hearing this. it's like a soap opera. every time we have an episode, we need to end with one of those people with the frozen faces on the soap opera. >> it's called "as the stomach turns." >> that's good. on the other side, why do we care? this is going to have a direct effect on what gets done for the american people. >> or not. >> it's not about he doesn't like this one or he depended on that one. it's about the president of the united states, how he views institutions. we haven't talked about jeff sessions, but how he views institutions. how he treats his top law enforcement official, how he views his relationship between the department and the white house. >> how do you know that this ides of march thing, again, it's not mine, i'm using it because i like it. this is this notion that, well,

if kelly goes, mcmaster might be -- well, that was my affinity. if that's the way we're going, i'm not here either. then he's gone. >> mattis and tillerson. >> if jeff sessions keeps getting beaten up, i don't need this, i'm going to leave, one after another, this is a problem. >> this is one problem the white house is going to confront right now in figuring out who will replace hope hicks. she came in basically because they couldn't find an attractive communications director. >> she's the fourth. >> fourth or fifth? >> jason miller. >> essentially she was a necessity because they couldn't get somebody else to come in. she came in, did a good job. trump obviously trusted her. but the problem is still there. people don't want to come into this white house -- >> if it's trump whisperer, that's a tough job to fill. >> that's an impossible job to fill. >> even in the coms job, it's

difficult. trump considers himself his own communications director. if he doesn't like the tenor of the news conference, he'll lash out at that person. you have to look ahead to november, this is going to be ugly. trump is going to lash out. why do i want to hop on board now, six months before that bloodbath and be part of the crew that's blamed for that? i'll just hang back and let somebody else take that job. >> the reality is there is no replacement for hope hicks in the trump universe. they'll hire someone to be the communications director. josh's point is well taken. it's not easy because a lot of potential people don't want to go into that. it's the replacing of someone -- he never listens to anyone all the time, or i think most of the time. but someone who he trusted, who he believed had his best interest at heart, there's not a person you can find on the

street or in the republican affirment does that. there's a reason there was a small motleyish crew in june 2015 because everyone was laughing at donald trump. he was the punch line of a joke. hope hicks believed in him. corey lewandowski, it's why he's still around. he believed in him. why dan scavino is still in the white house. >> do you know who else believed in him? jeff sessions believed in him before a lot of people. we interviewed him all the time. he came out in full-throated support of donald trump. sometimes when they talk about how important loyalty is in the white house, it might be a one-way street. >> i have a whole scene in my book about how sessions became the first person to endorse donald trump, the first setting senator to endorse donald trump, went way out on a limb. had trump lost the election, sessions was afraid he'd be blackballed by his own party. well, he stuck with trump. trump won.

he was awarded with the attorney general job. now he's become the whipping boy for the president. >> it hasn't been -- again, it hasn't been 18 months since donald trump said, out of everyone in this country, i want jeff sessions to be the top cop for my administration. and now it's beleaguered, i would never -- telling two different national newspapers, i would never have hired fim. disgraceful. barack obama didn't say, hey, i'm going to pick -- loretta lynch is going to be your attorney general, eric holder. this is who donald trump wanted. >> here is why it became relevant. to policy, just had a big meeting, bipartisan, on tv, really great. we had it with immigration. the difference is what happens next. sessions is important to that. the people in the infrastructure around the president are important to that, keeping the president on message. who is going to be doing those

things? if sessions is injured, so when he goes to people to talk about this policy, they're like, please, like all of a sudden you're his guy? i heard what he said about you. he calls you magoo. i'm not doing this with you. >> in the case of jeff sessions, he stays not out of loyalty to trump but because he has power. sessions was a gadfly in the senate. didn't get a lot done. now he's the top law enforcement officer in the land with enormous power and discretion over things like criminal justice reform, how immigration laws are carried out. the only reason he would stick around and take the kind of hazing he's gotten which is more brutal and humiliating than any cabinet official i think in the history of the u.s. presidency -- most people would leave the first time this happened. they would resign. they would go off -- sessions has stayed in and is taking it again and again and again because i think he has that power. as far as people listening to him or him being seen as somebody who speaks for the

president, that's not happening. >> josh green, chris cillizza, thank you for the analysis. to this point about what all this means for policy, the president was very ambitious in this meeting yesterday. he said he supports expanded background checks. that is a no-go zone for many republicans and certainly their friends at the nra. what dus it mean for policy? that's where the man on your screen becomes very relevant. senator joe manchin, democrat from west virginia. he was there. he has a proposal with the senator to his left, toomey. what does this mean for change? we have him on. we spoke with a panel of gun owners with very different thoughts on gun control. where do they stand on arming teefrpers a teachers and so much more? that's ahead. woah. plus, netflix for the whole family. on us. prrrrrrr... so, they get their shows... let's go, girl! you're gonna love this bit! and you get yours.

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we had another big televised bipartisan meeting event with the president and lawmakers on both sides. this time it was about gun control. and the lawmakers who were working on a bill to strengthen background checks. so the president says, listen, you guys, forget about the nra. listen. >> in your bill, what are you doing about the 18 to 21? >> we didn't address that. >> are you going leave that? you have the case right now where somebody can by a handgun at 21. it doesn't make sense that i have to wait until i'm 21 to get

a handgun but i can get this weapon at 18. i'm curious what you did in your bill. >> we didn't address it, president trump. >> probably because you're afraid of the nra, right? >> it wasn't an issue five years ago. >> one of those lawmakers is democratic senator joe manchin, he worked with toomey, the republican senator on this bill. he tried to get a bill like this after sandy hook and he didn't have enough votes. senator, in terms of the state of play coming out of this meeting, there were a lot of frowns on the republican side of what the president was saying. i want to show your democrats and what their responses were. feinstein when he was talking about these different measures, they were very excited. i've seen feinstein kind of like that before, and it was when the president kind of agreed with her about a clean bill on daca at the last big televised media event. after yesterday, do you believe you have a clearer sense of

where the president is and what you can get done? >> well, i've never seen him more determined and willing to do whatever he needs to do in order to try to bring some sanity and order to this whole gun issue. in 2013 when i introduced a bill, we started drafting that bill, i had tom coburn working with me. i wanted to make sure it was bipartisan which is what i try to do every time on a piece of legislation. tom and i were working, and tom for whatever reason left the bill, and i got pat and started talking with pat. he brought his ideas. we formed a piece of legislation that had bipartisan support. we didn't have enough of mie republican friends, but we had some. we introduced that bill. the nra, we tried to talk to them. we tried to work with all parties, not just them, everybody involved, and thought we had something that would be basically something to move forward. and then that went for not. we lost that, had 54 votes.

we needed 60. the manchin-toomey bill has been vetted more than any bill in the last five years. it makes sense. we closed the loopholes. you want to talk about all the guns people are wanting to ban, everything people are wanting to do, it's all for naught if you can't have a background check. if they can still go to the gun show and go to a table that's not regulated and doesn't have to have a background check, they can buy anything they want to. when the terrorist organizations get on the internet and they tell you, chris, if you want to buy a weapon of mass destruction, go to a gun show. if you can get on the internet and buy whatever -- the commercial transactions, a law abiding gun owner is not going to sell their gun to a stranger. on a commercial transaction, you don't know. you're trying to get rid of it. we think those should be regulated to where they have to be -- they have to be background checked. the president embraces that. he likes the bill. we're going to work with him and his administration to see if

that's going to be the base bill they want to work off of. anything they want to put to it, p the president's support is there, it makes a big difference. >> you're okay with raising the age to buy weapons like ar-style rifles to 21? >> chris, i agree with the president. that's a no-brainer. if you have to be 21 to buy a handgun, it only makes common sense that you should be 21 to buy an ar-15. >> what about a shotgun or hunting rifle? >> no. we're talking about these weapons, the high-powered weapons of mass destruction. if people want -- i had a shotgun when i was 12. i've had guns all my life, but i was taught properly how to handle them. here, if a person at 18, if that's the case, they're going to say, well, 18 you should take a test, show competency, you should show maturity, that you know how to handle it in a safe manner and you're deemed to be a person of responsibility, then that could be one of the caveats

if you start negotiating. all these things will be brought to the table to talk about which is how you work legislation. but right now i don't have a problem on an ar-15 going to 21. >> do you think you have the votes? do you think it's different this time? >> the president makes all the difference in the world. we've always had problems with our republican friends coming on board for what we call gun sense. it's common sense. we call it gun sense. if you come from a gun culture, you know certain things you do and don't do. you don't sell your gun to a stranger, don't basically sell your gun to someone who is a criminal or someone mentally adjudicated or you think is crazy. you don't even give it to a family member you don't think is responsible. we didn't infringe in those rights. we said if you're going to a gun show, it should go through an ffl dealer or has to have a background check. you don't know the person that

wants to buy it. those things make sense. 80%, 90% of the american public agree. that's what i think the president can hook onto and we can get this thing over the goal line. >> you've always had at least half the country on the same page with this type of change and it hasn't happened because of how politicians are rewarded and punished at the polls by single issue voters and by a lobbying group called the nra. what changes there this time? >> i'm still an nra member, lifetime member. when i joined the nra and all my friends that belong to the nra are enthusiasts, they like to hunt. they think it's a culture. they like to shoot, do the different things, sporting. we taught gun safety. we would even teach children how to properly be able to handle a gun and what they should and should not know and do. we did everything. we thought that's the premise of who we were. it's changed from that because now they're afraid to change anything. i'll give you a perfect

situation. i said this yesterday. if president trump in 2013 would have been the president during that period of time, we wouldn't be talking about this, chris. the bill would have passed. but because of president obama and the previous administration, people were afraid, and they told me in west virginia, they said, joe, we've read the bill, we understand the bill and it's a good bill but we're not going to support it and we're afraid for this bill to pass because we think it will give an opening to where president obama will take more of our rights away, second amendment. nobody in west virginia believes donald trump is going to take their second amendment rights away, nobody. so with that being said, it gives us the momentum we need to make this happen in a common sense, gun sense way. >> we'll see. obviously the big question is we had big huge poll numbers in favor of helping the daca people, also, and the president was on the right side of that according to people in the polls who said they wanted that kind of change and it didn't happen.

>> i'm hoping the president can think back to that couple weeks ago and look at this where he really has a chance to do something that absolutely nobody else has been able to do, no president before him has been able to get this across the goal line, whether it be republican or democratic. he's the one that can do it. i want to work with him. he ear going to do something common sense, gun sense. >> #winning. that will appeal to the president. he's probably watching right now. senator, thank you. >> thank you, chris. what do gun owners think about the gun control debate since the florida massacre? are they willing to give up their ar-15s and see them banned? >> we've already decided you cannot have an automatic weapon. all we're talking about is where the line is. >> but the line is for military use. an ar-15 is not a military rifle. it is a regular semi-automatic rifle that looks bad ass. >> more of our spirited conversation next.

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so how are gun owners and gun enthusiasts feeling about all of the talk of new gun policy? i sat down with a panel of gun

owners from florida, alabama, connecticut, arizona and new york. three of them say they are now having second thoughts about their own weapons in light of the massacre in parkland, florida. here is part one of our conversation. >> how many of you felt after the parkland shooting that something was going to change, that parkland was a tipping point. show of hands. why did you feel this time was different? >> this time because the children from the school are so front and center and so active that it just gave a little bit of a different feeling, especially because they're the next generation and they're speaking up, not that i agree with what they're pushing. i think the use of social media and the snowball effect from what they've been able to do in this past week is entirely different from any of the previous incidents. >> people have had enough. it's really that simple. i think sentiment has changed. i said the first day there was

going to be a tipping point at this point. we've just had a enough of this constant carnage. the question becomes why did we not do something about it? why. >> i think we're having a really hard time focusing in on what the real issues are. we all want this to stop and we all want a fix, but the fix isn't banning guns. the fix is much deeper than that. >> let's take a vote. how many people would be comfortable with an assault weapons ban? two of you, why not? >> i think there needs to be limitations. >> meaning not high magazine capacity. >> correct. an ar-15 should not be used as a home protection weapon. >> it's a fabulous gun. so is a shotgun. >> it's much harder to handle.

>> you don't need guns for home protection. the probability that you'll be involved in a gun-related crime is .003%. >> if i have somebody breaking into my home, i need a means of self-defense, whether that's a handgun, an ar-15. that should be my choice. frankly, i think the law allows that choice. >> if they ban ar-15s, you can still defend yourself with a handgun. >> and a shotgun. >> you're missing the point. what is the second amendment right? let me finish. this is a constitutionally protected right. this is not a government legislated privilege such as driving a car. >> fair enough. >> do you think the forefathers meant the ar-15? >> i think they meant protection against a tyrannical government and for self protection. of course they don't know what the guns are.

you can't start messing with our constitutionally protected right. >> there are interpretations of what the forefathers had. you're not allowed to have an automatic weapon. >> i know why you want them. they make a lot of noise, shoot a lot of bullets, match cho guns, cool looking. i understand why you want one. no one can tell me why you need it. >> we don't have to need it. it's a constitutionally protected right. >> those kids had a right to li live. >> you have the right to self-defense. it's not only a second amendment right. you have a right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. >> all those kids had a right to life and they're dead. >> you cannot yell fire in a movie theater even though you have a right to free speech. we've already decided you can have an automatic weapon. all we're talking about is where the line is. >> the line is for military use.

an ar-15 is not a military rifle. it is a regular, semi-automatic rifle that looks bad ass. that's what it is. >> if you didn't own an assault rifle, would your lifestyle change any? >> my lifestyle? there's other firearms i would purchase. but my concern for the country and protection of our second amendment would. that's scary. >> at what point will we have to stand up and use lethal force in the year -- >> there's a million slippery slope arguments we can use. here is what's being proposed today. do you support making bump stocks illegal. a show of hands. why would you not support an end to bump stocks that mowed down 58 people from a window. >> a gun cannot do anything unless somebody is operating. if sick people have a mental

issu issue. >> it's an accessory. it's not considered an automatic weapon. how many times has bump stock -- >> why are you defending them? >> because i think it should be available. it's not an issue of the gun itself or the weapon itself. it's an issue of the individual behind it. >> which individual would want -- >> a crazed individual. >> why not ban them? >> it keeps those 58 people alive. >> once you start doing that, what's the next accessory? >> let's go through what the solutions are. president trump is proposing arming teachers. who is comfortable. >> why aren't you comfortable with that, amanda? >> i feel like this shouldn't even need to be explained. i think mr. trump is way off the

mark. you don't want to bring more guns in the situation. the answer is not more violence. >> you are a teacher. >> yes. the last thing i want is a gun in my classroom. if you've got a shooter in the building, you're going to hit kids. if the police show up, you're a black teacher defending a student, you're going to get shot. >> i understand what people are saying. i think we agree we don't want people armed that aren't prepared to do what needs to be done if they have and don't have the train iing. to one can possibly be prepared -- >> you don't have a right to make that choice for children in school where they can be protected by somebody potentially with a gun that has training, you don't have the right to rule over their life and say they don't have the opportunity to save those children. >> you're ruling over their lives saying we should have ar-15s. >> incorrect. >> for myself protection or in a

classroom, i want anything that's better than what he has, and i want more rounds than whatever he has. >> here is why a couple of them are so relevant. three of them rethinking their gun ownership. scott on the lower left, he's the one whose video went viral. he destroyed the ar-15 because of what he saw in parkland. tomorrow we're going to talk to him about why he decided to do this. also the teacher on the right-hand side, the blonde on the lower right, she also destroyed her gun because of parkland. we're going to ask what's happened in their lives that they regret doing that? >> also, i think this is a very fair reflection of where people's minds are on this issue. at the end of the day it becomes about the political will. there's no question about legally -- some people there are wrong about what you can and can't do legally. yes it's a right in the

constitution and the bill of rights. it can be subject to reasonable regulation. scalia said that and we have it. if the politicians want to do it, they will be rewarded or punished at the polls. will some of those people be upset? yes. that's the price of political action. >> part two of our sit-down with gun owners is tomorrow. russia making headlines and once again in troubling fashion. vladimir putin says they have developed an invincible nuclear-powered missile. details next.

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time now for the "five things to know" for your new day. hope hicks resigning as white house communications director. her predecessor, anthony scaramucci tells "new day" morale is at an all-time low in the white house. "the new york times" reports the president's son-in-law, jared kushner, that jared kushner's family business received half a billion dollars

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as we mentioned, former communications director anthony scaramucci was here. he said white house morale is at an all-time low. are there more staffers on the way out? we look at "the bottom line" next. does this map show the peninsula trail? you won't find that on a map. i'll take you there. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales. oop. you hear that? (vo) our subaru outback lets us see the world. sometimes in ways we never imagined. (avo) get 0% apr financing on all-new 2018 subaru outback models. now through april 2nd. hey, sir lose-a-lot!

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white house communications director hope hicks resigning. anthony scaramucci saying she may not be the last key adviser the leave. >> you do believe we should be open to more people leaving the administration? >> if the current situation and the current culture inside the administration stays exactly the way it is, there's literally no change, there will be a lot more departures. the morale is at an all-time low

and trending lower. >> does the president need to beware the ides of march. let's get to cnn political director david chalian. >> yes, hearing from somebody who speaks to insiders all the time is enormously helpful to get anthony scaramucci's take on this. imagine any workplace dealing with just yesterday's headlines, just yesterday, one day, it would hard to imagine morale would be good in any kind of workplace battling in every front like that. >> anthony scaramucci is blaming general kelly. he's basically saying that there's this culture of fear and intimidation and it's general kelly's fault. we've talked to him a million times about how outside the white house he's perceived as this stabilizing force. is it possible that inside the white house he has a much different role? >> general kelly is the man that fired anthony scaramucci, so we should make that clear, as he assesses that.

but there's clearly tension, right? we know there's tension between jared and ivanka and general kelly. we know that not everyone has been appreciative of the way general kelly has tried to instill a streamline of information into the oval office. so perhaps that is what scaramucci is referring to, of what needs to change. what we have no indication of is that general kelly is on his way out or on thin ice with the president as of today. he knew about rob porter and he did nothing. that was a coverup and kelly made people cover up. if he survived that with the president, why should we be suspicious that kelly would be done? >> it's a good question, chris. that was clearly his darkest moment as chief of staff. i think that's pretty fair to say. he did weather that storm somewhat, although, as you see, he ear still seeing reverberations of the porter storm play out with the security

clearance issues, with jared kushner, with the hope hicks departure. >> if jared kushner, the president's son-in-law, and general kelly, the chief of staff, can't get along, that's an untenable, unsustainable situation, right? something has got to give. >> certainly in most white houses that would be untenable. that seems to be redefined all the time in this white house. clearly having two people that close to the president not being able to get along, that would seem to be a problem the president would want to fix. en, he's allowed competing factions to exist -- >> that's the big reason he hasn't gotten much done. he can put out stats that two-thirds of his agenda is completed. if you have chaos around you, it's going to affect your ability to effect change. look at the aluminum change in tariffs he wants to do. he springs it on his staff.

he just tells his commerce secretary yesterday. they weren't ready. don't know how to effect it. don't have a plan on guns. are we going to see a repeat of immigration? they didn't have a message, they couldn't stay on it. didn't work the legislators, couldn't expend capital. that's a team effort. you've got to have morale and a game plan. >> my big question out of the guns meeting yesterday which was jaw dropping to watch, was that just a show or did we actually start getting the beginnings of a white house legislative push on this. that to me seems entirely unclear at this moment. >> it seemed unclear to the lawmakers, also. part of that was the beauty of it, to see them stunned and back on their heels when the president was throwing out different suggestions and not staying on message. >> if he gets something done on this that makes a positive effect, makes it less likely to have shootings like this, bravo to the president. >> of course. david chalian, thank you. cnn "newsroom" with john berman will pick up after this

break. we'll see you tomorrow.

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for the rest of your life. ♪ turmoil, turbulence, words that fit to a t when it comes to the white house this morning. want one more? trouble. good morning everyone. john berman here. trouble brewing inside the white house this morning. mike allen, one of america's great reporters writes, we have never seen top officials this concerned defeated. anthony scaramucci, the president's friend and briefly a white house insider put it this w way. >> morale is terrible. the reason the morale is terrible is the rule by fear and intimidation doesn't work in a civilian environment. >> you predict more departures? >> i predict more departures. key people going out, continued news bombs coming in. ho