there is a lot more i think he has to go over with the special counsel. >> it could be important. it could be a man in another orbit that none of us quite understand. but i know the white house was watching this saying, what does this guy mean? we shall see. friday he says he's willing to cooperate. have a great day. wolf blitzer will start right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington, 9:00 p.m. in moscow, 2:30 a.m. in pyongyang, north korea. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. up first, we've got questions and we'll find out soon whether president trump has answers. he also has a joint news conference with the prime minister of sweden later this afternoon, and employers will be clamoring to ask about a number of issues, including the backlash of fellow republicans over his proposed tariffs on steel and aluminum. the russia investigation fired campaign aide sam nunberg says

he believes the special counsel has, quote, something on the president. what's the fallout from nunberg's rather bizarre live tv interviews? and what is he saying right now? and north korea signals a willingness to talk to the united states about giving up its nuclear weapons. in the words of president trump, and i'm quoting now, the world is watching. let's begin over at the white house where president trump says chaos, what chaos? but he also says there will probably be more staff shake-ups and changes. let's go to our white house reporter kaitlan collins. she's joining us from the white house. kaitlan, fill us in on the president's pushback. >> there's more pushback. the narratives are that there's chaos at the white house. he says that's wrong, people will always come and go, and he wants strong dialogue before

making a final decision. he says i still have people i want to change, always seeking perfection. there is no chaos, only great energy. wolf, as you know, that is a sentiment from people who work inside the administration would disagree with that. it mirrors the first day of the administration a little over a year ago when it was just as chaotic. we saw jared kushner have his security clearance downgraded, jerry jones threaten to resign, and we even had chief of staff john kelly joking that god punished him by having him work in the west wing. safe to say that is not the sentiment by staffers in the west thing, that there is no chaos here at the white house. >> we also have kellyanne conway in violations of what's called

the hatch act. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: that's right, the office of the special counsel announced that kellyanne conway, who is a senior adviser to the president, actually violated the hatch act two times last year when she was talking about the senate race in television interviews. the hatch act prevents you from using your position in the government to influence any kind of elections, and they're saying that kellyanne conway did that. and to give you a sense of what she said about that race, listen to this. >> and doug jones in alabama, folks, don't be fooled. he'll be a vote against tax cuts. he's weak on crime, weak on borders, he's strong on raising your taxes, he's terrible for property owners. >> now, of course, wolf, if you violate the hatch act, if they choose to do so would be chefr one you work for. we've reached out to the white house to see what their reaction was to this and they gave us a statement from hogan gidley

saying kellyanne conway did not advocate for or against the election of any particular candidate. she simply expressed the president's obvious position that he has people in the house and support who support his agenda. wolf, the people in the white house do not agree with that. >> a very different office, indeed. he's the special counsel but there is a separate government office of special counsel investigating kellyanne conway. thanks very much, kaitlan collins over at the white house. sam nunberg, the ex-adviser, is now saying he will, repeat, will cooperate with whatever robert mueller's team wants in the russian probe. that's a dramatic departure from what he said in a string of interviews, nunberg repeatedly saying he wouldn't comply with a

government subpoena. he said he felt compelled to go on tv in a series of interviews to share his frustrations about that subpoena. but he also says he doesn't believe he'll get in trouble for those very, very bizarre interviews. our cnn politics reporter is joining us right now. we did learn some key information from nunberg. let's start with the june 2016 meeting. list ten to this. >> president trump said he knew nothing about the meeting. do you think that's true? >> no. >> you don't think that's true. >> no. and jake, i've watched your news reports. you know it's not true. he talked about it the week before. >> what's the significance, chris, of that? >> what i think nunberg is talking about is the meeting at trump tower is june 9, 2016. june 7, two days before, donald trump gives a campaign rally

speech in which he says, essentially, just wait a few days. we'll have dirt on the clintons. i'll be giving a big speech about it. you are correlating both of those things. i don't know if nunberg knows more than he's letting on in that interview or if he's just c conflating the two things. >> he did reveal to all of us that two-page subpoena he received from the special counsel. it did provide some additional information about the scope of mueller's investigation. >> right. so to me this is the most important thing that we learn. it's easy to focus on the bluster of the claim he makes. mueller was asking nunberg about

all documents in the period november 2015. it's a broad scope of time. number two, the people. and this is the most important. some of these make sense. carter page, right? paul manafort we know has already been charged and pled guilty. the communications director resigned. obvious obviously, there is a reason this guy is in the middle of . e the fact he's looking for any and all correspondence, that's e-mails, draft memoranda, anything involving any of these people to me is the most important thing we take from nunberg yesterday, which is, this is broad and it doesn't seem like it's going to end any time all that soon. >> very broad indeed. nunberg also says he believes that mueller has something already on the president. let me play this clip. >> the way they ask about his

business dealings, the way they ask if you have heard anything even during while i was fired, it just made me suspect that they suspect something about him. >> so "suspect they suspect." that's two levels of some amount of making sure he's protected. but this is someone who spent five and a half hours with the special counsel. he spent time. he knows the questions they asked. he's inferring -- i doubt bob mueller said, here's what i have on donald trump. he's inferring, but this is again a voice from someone who is closer to it than anyone we've had before, someone who has actually been interviewed for five and a half hours in this process, been asked questions. that's why i think nunberg is interesting. it's a window into mueller's process. i don't know that we take some of the things that nunberg claimed all that seriously. the subpoena, however, and

what's in it, the length of time and who it's targeting hugely important. >> the subpoena hugely significant. stick around. the house intelligence committee wants to hear more from sam nunberg. he says nunberg may be able to shed light and he may have something on the president. >> i definitely don't think he knows for sure because he's incorrect. as we said many times before, there is no collusion with the trump campaign. anything further on what his actions are, he hasn't worked at the white house, so i certainly can't speak to him or the lack of knowledge that he clearly has. >> that speech that he teed up which was going to take place after the trump tower meeting he never gave. was that because the trump tower meeting didn't produce what he

hoped it would produce? we don't know. but certainly mr. nunberg has light to shed on what the president knew before that trump tower meeting. we would be interested in finding out. >> let's discuss all of this and more. crystal still with us as well as legal analyst laura coates and legal analyst april ryan. april, what's your biggest takeaway from those rather strange interviews he gave on cnn, msnbc, elsewhere? >> strange is a calm word. it was erratic. you would have to really wonder about his mental state at the time. and being a lawyer, number one, and understanding there was a 3:00 deadline, and he missed the deadline yesterday to respond. >> to hand over documents. >> yes. and he's on tv talking to erin burnett, and erin burnett thinks that she smells something on his breath and he talks about the drugs he's taking. it was erratic. but what it leads -- and i believe the biggest piece of

this is there is this big puzzle that they're trying to find pieces to and put in this puzzle, and one of those pieces of the puzzle happens to deal with roger stone. and this is a man who looks at roger stone as a father who is connected to the president. so they're going way back to come forward to find out what's going on, and this puzzle has yet to be complete. it's a large puzzle. >> laura, you're a former federal prosecutor. you wrote a piece on cnn.com. you say this. someone should explain to sam nunberg that federal subpoenas are not friend requests, they are not suggestions, they are commands to appear before a grand jury investigating whether there is probable cause to issue an indictment in a criminal case. it looks like -- i mean, he's a graduate of law school. it looks like he's wised up now after initially saying he's going to dishonor that subpoena. >> well, he should have wised up. frankly i'm surprised thiz counsel even allowed him to leave his front door.

and against all common sense and logic, and i think you had a combination of two things there, wolf. number one, only a delusional person believed they had the illusion of choice to come talk to the grand jury. it was not a suggestion for a coffee chat. he already knew that, and i'm surprised to say he endeavored to say he wasn't going to do so, except perhaps he was talking to an audience of one. you have a track record of michael flynn to rick gates as cooperators in federal prosecutions, and perhaps he was saying, i'm going to feign an attempt to look like a tough guy, saying, i'm not going to roll over and do this, knowing he would ultimately have to comply to a subpoena. look at mcdougal. >> this is during the whitewater

era. >> and he mentioned clinton yesterday forgetting the fact there are consequences. he was also misinformed about what he had to do, wolf, because remember, you would watch congressional subpoenas being ignored without consequence. maybe he thought it would be the same thing with robert mueller's subpoena. it is not and he finds out today the not. >> very different subpoenas, indeed. what's your take on the back and forth? not going to do it, now going to do it. >> i hope if i do something very odd, i hope laura is my -- laura is giving the benefit of the doubt, which is kind. i'll play the devil on the other shoulder which is it doesn't strike me that this was a hugely calculated move by sam nunberg. and i would argue that the reversal so quickly cancelling his television appearances today, saying, oh, no, no, it's all good. yesterday? don't worry about that, that was

nothing. it all struck me this was someone who was in a rage or angry, or to rachel's point, just something off. i just don't think -- and who knows. roger stone, who is the president's mentor, is the king. maybe it was that, but my read watching it is that this was just someone who was acting without any consequence. and once the obvious legal consequence set in, it was kind of like, you don't have to comply to it, but there are real with teeth consequences to not complying. >> let's get to some other issues that have come up today. as you know, last august the house and the senate overwhelmingly passed sanctions against russia because of its election meddling 98-2 in the

senate, i think 1400 to 3. the president reluctantly signed that legislation into law even though he hated it. since then the administration has not implemented any of those sanctions against russia. just a little while ago, the treasury secretary, steve mnuchin, was asked about that. listen to this exchange. >> will this administration fully implement the russian sanctions mandated by congress? >> mr. quigley, as i testified before, i fully assure you we will implement them. i suspect in the next several weeks, we'll be moving. so i assure you the president is fully supportive of the work we're doing and we have a large teamworking iworking on it as . >> why is it taking so long? >> why is it taking so long? it's curious. you had a president who met with

lad pir putin. ment let's see what mnuchin says about it in the next couple weeks if they enact these sanctions and push forward. this is a president who is also in a white house who just really started saying, yes, we now know that russia impacted the election, but did it really impact account so they're still in a haze of illusions. will he stipush for a man he believes? >> he says putin is sincere. >> he said, what, should i not believe him? your intelligence committee says, no, you should not believe

him. there is no date certain there. remember, donald trump after the most recent one before that said, we're going to look at some things in the coming weeks. and i note the parkland florida state senate passed a bill raising the age 18 to 21 to buy a rifle, it passed arming teachers. that went through in the florida senate. so there is movement, but we've been promising we'll get. >> and that really didn't happen until after parkland, so yeah. >> the only reason someone like sam nunberg feels heat having to comply with the federal investigation is there were consequences. someone impressed upon him that he had consequences that were very, very real. if that same thing were to be

used and. >> maybe be we all wouldn't feel a need to undermine and a parallel drawn between nunberg and how he tried to thumb his nose at mueller. >> the key is the top, wolf. donald trump is the one who doesn't totally believe that russia actively meddled in the election. virtually everyone else underneath him, mike pompeo, chris wray. >> it starts from the head. >> let's not forget the state department in 2016 was appropriated millions and millions of dollars to do something about russian meddling. so far they've spent zero of that money. april, thanks very much, laura, chris. good work. in an unprecedented move, north korea, the leader there, kim jong-un offering to

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in a remarkable diplomatic development, north korea is now willing to talk to the united states about giving up its nuclear weapons. that's the word from south korean delegates who just returned from an unprecedented meeting with the north korean leader kim jong-un. considering only a few months ago pyongyang claimed it could wipe the u.s. off the face of the earth, this is a startling change. let's go to our cnn international correspondent will ripley. he's joining us from beijing. he's been to pyongyang at least more than a dozen times. so what has changed, will, for the north koreans right now? this is a pretty dramatic statement. >> reporter: well, you know, i just got off the phone, wolf, with a senior official, a source of mine with very deep knowledge of north korea's mindset. this source actually views this as a counter-offensive by kim

jong-un towards president trump. the deck is stacked in a way right now that kim jong-un views diplomacy as the best option in the short term. you have trump saying there could be military action if north korea doesn't express interest to denuclearize. you have this action that is really piling up to hurt north korea's economy. but for the north koreans, denuclearization could be an extremely long-term process, a temporary freeze followed by a dismantlement that could take a decade or longer, far outlasting the trump and moon presidencies. they could have a new administration in place to pull out of this and still have the nuclear force intact and also benefit from the use of sanctions and other potential benefits in engaging in diplomacy right now. this is kim jong-un playing the long game. he intends to remain in power far longer than the two

presidents he's dealing with in the united states and south korea. at moment this is his strategy. but this is all about protecting north korea's interests, and if you go to pyongyang, he has built his interests around his nuclear force. there is propaganda showing u.s. nuclear missiles and bombs around the city. it's hard to believe that he could walk away from what his country has built up. in his constitution it says they will be a nuclear power. it will be interesting to see what they are willing to give up here. right now they haven't had to give up anything. they have noticed increased interest when north korea produces the materials to make nuclear bombs. wolf? >> will ripley, thanks for joining us. let's discuss this with my next guest, the former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, former governor of new mexico, and he's visited north korea on several occasions going back to the '90s.

he's had meetings with top north korean officials. what's your reaction to this late-breaking development, governor? >> i'm guardedly optimistic. it's significant if north korea confirms two things. one, that they're willing to talk about nuclear issues, and secondly, that they're willing to stop missile and nuclear activity during these talks. now, the north koreans haven't confirmed this, but if it's true, it's potential breakthrough. i think the south korean president deserves credit for making the moves on the olympics, by holding back with north korea and saying, i will visit north korea in late april, but only if you agree to talk to the united states on nuclear issues, and it looks like he got what he wanted. so it's a small step forward. but as you know, with north korea, everything moves slowly and dangerously. >> do you give the president, president trump, any credit for this potential, potential

diplomatic breakthrough? his tough talk, his threats against kim jong-un? do you think that has played a significant role? >> well, i give him credit for the increased sanctions. i think going to the u.n., going to countries around the world to put pressure on north korea with oil, food stuffs, energy sanctions, i think they're the toughest ever, i give him credit there. i don't give him credit for the tweeting and the insulting, although i don't like kim jong-un insulting the president, either, i think you have to move forward now with traditional diplomacy. now, what is important is, where do we go from here? i think it's important to focus on the diplomacy track exactly what we're going to do with north korea in terms of this dialogue. no pre-conditions, but at the same time do we insist we

complete the denuclearization or halt the missile and nuclear activity, artillery. clearly a reduction of tension in the peninsula is what the south koreans wanted. they're the most vulnerable. and if this moves forward, that's going to happen, and that's good. >> but is it realistic at all to believe that kim jong-un and his regime in north korea will ever give up its nuclear capability? >> i don't believe they ever will, but i think we should, at the same time, have that as a goal. if they give up, for instance, freezing their ballistic missile activity that threatens the united states, their nuclear activity, there's a reduction of tension at the border, and moon jae, if there are talks about the recovery remains, reduced

talks on north korea. there can be reduced south power to engage in further diplomacy talks, wolf. i think this is good. you know, everybody is pessimistic when they think of north korea. but the north korean leader, i've always said, has had an end game, and i think his end game is a big negotiation with everybody. i don't think he would give up nuclear weapons, but he clearly does not want a military confrontation with the united states. i think he clearly knows his country is in deep economic trouble. i think the sanctions are biting. so this is a new chapter, and i hope the president. i hope it's diplomacy, i hope it's the secretary of state. i hope it's traditional diplomacy instead of military threats and tweets and assaulting the north korean. let's take advantage of this

very positive development. >> it's potentially very significant. the senator has been holding hearings on worldwide threats threatening the united states. i want you to listen to what the director of the diplomacy committee says. listen to this. >> the biggest change we've seen in kim jong-un from his father is the rig or in training. prior with his father, you did not have the level of discipline, he did not have the level of rigor to be ready to go to war. kim jong-un has taken that seriously. they do not have the capability that could reunite the peninsula, but there is a sneaking capability it's over the 38th parallel in terms of the amount of damage they could do with their conventional sources in a conflict. >> people aren't necessarily fully aware of how much damage would be done. forget about nuclear capabilities, forget about

intercontinental ballistic missiles. what's presented along the dnz is is enormous and could present casualties. >> you're talking about 32,000 american troops that are right there plus the 50,000 in japan. you're right, the ability of the north korean, the capability is very strong. they've got almost 2 million individuals in arms, men in arms. training has been accelerated. you're absolutely right. this man is different than his father. with the father, as you recall, we were there, you can kind of make a deal with him, but with this young man, i think he has a plan. i think he's unpredictable but he's somebody that we're going to have to contend with, and he's somebody that seems to be getting his act together in terms of saying, this is what i

want. and western countries, six-party talks countries, u.s., south korea and japan, now you have to come to me and i think that's what's happening right now. >> we'll see if the north koreans launch another intercontinental ballistic missile or have another nuclear test. they haven't had anything since november and we'll see how they react to the schedule of the south korean military exercises which they always, as you know, hate. governor bill richardson, thank you as usual for joining us. the top intelligence chief says the russians are targeting the midterm election, but the u.s. still doesn't have a policy on interference. stick around. i'll take that. -yeeeeeah! ensure high protein. with 16 grams of protein and 4 grams of sugar. ensure. always be you.

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cyberspace. that comment was made by dan coats. he made the comment from a worldwide threat from the senate. >> this is after we put together a policy in the strategy to deal with this and to counter this. each agency is well aware of the need that has impacted, is well aware of the need to do this. as i did say, one coherent strategy between the executive branch and the conventional branch has not been put into place yet. >> the 2017 elections are right around the corner. why do we not have a whole of government strategy already in place. >> like i said, it is in process. the white house is actively engaged, there has not yet been a formulation of a lead agency that would work with the congress on legislative action

and putting a policy in place. >> let's discuss that and more. joining us from capitol hill, senator mike ramsey. he's a member of the armed committee. is that trouble to you that there hasn't been a lead agency task dealing with this very, very real russian threat? >> it is troubling to us. we have recognized the challenge. we started several years ago with the national defense authorization act trying to lay out a directive to define an active war in cyberspace and then to define other activities that might lead to a war in cyberspa cyberspace. we understand it's not an easy thing to do, but we think that to have a cohesive policy and one that lays out not just our defensive plans but our offensive capabilities would be very helpful. we've received word from the science board for the department of defense that for the next ten years, our defensive

capabilities will not be capable of stopping offensive capabilities of our near pure competitors. and the only way we're going to get results is going to be to have an offensive capability that makes them think twice about interfering. not in offense activities or getting into a campaign process, but also the election process as well. >> the director says he expresses his desire for what he hopes as an offensive plan for sib cyber security. but do you agree that they need to go on the offensive right now against russia on cyber attacks? you know they still haven't implemented the sanctions in the senate. the state department received all this millions and millions of dollars to do something. they haven't spent a penny of it yet. what's going on here, basically?

>> well, to begin with, there does have to be the capability, the offensive capability shown to russia as well as some other peer competitors that if they're going to mess around in cyberspace, there will be consequences. that has not been occurring to this point, and that's one of the reasons why they continue to do so. >> the question, senator, excuse me for interrupting, why? why the delay? why is there such a thunderous silence coming out from the administration? >> i don't know. what i do know is when you start looking at a comprehensive strategy, it's not just responses in cyberspace that you're talking about. you could be talking about trade sanctions, you could be talking about offensive activities with regard to some military activity, but clearly, it's -- you know, when we talk about the demands of war, you have air, land, sea, space and cyberspace. they're messing around in cyberspace more than anything

else. when they mess around in cyberspace, and they're coming in and testing our will, then until such time as they get feedback, strong, positive feedback, they're going to keep on doing it. now, let me just explain a little bit about the challenge we've got here. right now we've got entities that like to be in cyberspace that have really good capabilities here in the united states. these are the entities that listen to what the other guys are doing. this is where we get our intelligence information, our signals information. we are very, very good at collecting that information. but that also means we've got to be silent in those areas. and since we're into their systems and they know we're in there, they just can't find us, if we start messing with their systems, we give up that capability. so on one side we've got the desire to stay silent and gather as much data as we can. on the other side we want to be offensively minded. but when you use a cyber tool, then it's easy for them to figure out where it comes from and then they can begin blocking

it for later use. >> what's your bottom line message to the president right now? what would you like to hear from him? >> well, first of all, that clearly offensive capabilities are at his disposal and that he's not afraid to use them, and that at the right time and the right place, he's going to slap somebody's hands hard, and that that message should be very clear to our near pure competitors, that when they mess around in cyberspace, there will abe penalty to be paid. >> senator mike rounds, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you, sir. coming up, a former russian spy clinging to life after being found poisoned in a public park. who did it? and why doctors still can't figure out what's killing him. all right says i dare. all right is how you feel... because all right flows here. only in jamaica. the home of all right.

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agent is in critical condition after being exposed to what authorities are describing only as an unknown substance. russia is denying any involvement. let's go to our correspondent phil black. he's in sa lirks arksalisbury, dai -- england. have they talked about a motive for the attack? >> they have not accused russia of being directly involved in this just yet, but the shadow of russia hangs all over this because of an incident that was very similar in many ways, the targeted assassination of a former russian agent back in 2006. back then the substance was a highly radioactive substance. now they're working precisely on what the unknown substance was that had a very grave effect on the former russian agent. the involvement of anti-terror police, they're leading the investigation not because they believe this is a terror incident, but because it's been

determined that this case needs their specialty, their capabilities, their resources to get to the bottom of what precisely has caused this. the former agent we're talking about, sergei s krrks rrcripa, arrested and accused of selling secrets to british intelligence. then in 2010, he was part of a spy swap between russia and the west, and he came to settle here in a part of southern england that is really known for being quite beautiful and pleasant and quiet. it seems he has tried to carve out a life for himself in the years since. that all dramatically fell apart on sunday afternoon when he was found collapsed on a bench just in the park behind me, along with his 33-year-old daughter ulia. the authorities are now scrambling to find out why and how this happened, and it's possible that the facts, once they're revealed, could really violently shake up relations between russia and the united

kingdom. wolf? >> let's see what happens. phil, thank you very much for that very disturbing report of the phil black from england. other news we're following here in washington. our republicans on capitol hill getting ready to shut down the house russia investigation. the house intelligence committee investigation. there is new information. we'll be right back. only tylenol® rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. they release medicine fast, for fast pain relief. tylenol®

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chance to speak with community members west virginia are they telling you? >> reporter: republicans on the house committee are saying this investigation is hitting the end of the road and they want to issue a report soon and make this conclusion that this was no collusion between russian and trump associates, but there is one issue, if they go that route, which they expect to do pretty soon is democrats do not agree. they believe there are a number areas that have not been investigating and there are science about russian efforts to coordinate with the trump campaign that has not been fully probed. still republicans, including pete king and mike conoway, who i spoke with earlier today made it clear that the investigation could be soon hitting the end of the road. >> i think it's done as far as we can. but it's not for me to decide. i would say to me, i don't see anybody else out there, the senator is on the same page. >> reporter: do you feel it has run it's course at this point? >> all the investigation versus

a natural conclusion. it seems everybody we interviewed, we will have to get the report finalized and roll it out from there. every investigation ought to have a conclusion, including this one. so we're coming towards the end of it. >> and, wolf, on thursday the house committee will interview former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski, who initially came before the committee and would not answer questions about after he left the trump campaign in the summer of 2016, but after lewandowski comes, a lot of questions of whether there will be significant witnesses coming forward that can mean this investigation was in full of partisan infighting could very soon be hitting the end, wolf. >> even though the democrats, they want to bring back and invite many, many other witnesses to come before the committee the republicans say enough as far as they're concerned is enough. manu, thank you very much with that last report up on capitol

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hi there. thank you so much for being with me. are you watching chn. president trump will soon take questions from reporters. there is a lot to ask him about as he gets ready to hold this conference with the prime minister of sweden. this is happening after recent high profile