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we have our plan. it's nonpartisan. it's national. and most of all stay tphoefocus. this is important stuff happening in washington that gets shoved aside because of all of this controversy. >> we fell down on that. >> you guys are the first to really cover it. >> but it's important. look, if you want to tell people we have to take it more seriously, you have to do it as well. you're always welcome. thank you for telling us what we need to know. we will stay on it. >> appreciate it, chris. thanks to you. our international viewers, for you cnn talk is next. for u.s. viewers, there's a lot of news to get after. so what do you say? right now. >> here he is alleged to have had an affair with a porn star, paid hush money, and now lying about it. >> i can share that arbitration was won in the president's favor. >> we find her statement to be absolutely bogus and baseless. >> rollout of president trump's
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proposed tariffs creating confusion in the west wing. >> we want to fix the trade deficit. >> this is a bad policy. it's going to destroy more manufacturing jobs than it saves. >> you cannot tamper with witnesses. you can't interrogate witnesses. >> it reflects intense concern on the part of the president ask and maybe even paranoia. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> all right. good morning. welcome to your "new day". the stormy daniels scandal is heating up. white house press secretary sarah sanders fighting back against reports that president trump's personal lawyer is trying to silence the porn star who claimed she had an affair with mr. trump a decade ago. michael cohen obtaining a temporary order to keep her from speaking out. there is a lot of confusion not where the porn star is involved but where policy is involved.
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the president is scheduled to announce his controversial plan to impose tariffs on steel and aluminum today. but the signing ceremony isn't on the white house schedule. it appears the policy is not finalized yet. >> and there are several new developments in the russia investigation to tell you of. the "new york times" reports that president trump asked key witnesses what they discussed with special counsel robert mueller's investigators. "washington post" reports robert mueller is gathering evidence about this meeting in the seychelles in the weeks before the inauguration to establish back connections between the white house and the kremlin. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. this mellow drama involving the president and the porn star stormy daniels, occurred several years ago continues to dominate the white house agenda right now. they are struggling to answer questions about who knew what
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and when about this alleged affair that the president denies. >> the idea that somehow president trump didn't know anything about this and that attorney cohen was just running off and doing what he thought was best, it is patently absurd. >> reporter: stormy daniels lawyers rejecting the claim that president trump was unaware that the $130,000 payment to daniels 11 days before the election paid by mr. trump's personal lawyer, michael cohen. >> did he know about the payment? >> not that i'm aware of. >> reporter: sanders admitting for the first time a nondisclosure agreement did exist. >> the president has addressed these directly and made very well clear that none of these allegations are true. this case has already been won in arbitration. anything beyond that, i would refer you to the president's outside counsel. >> you said arbitration has been won? by whom and won? >> by the president's personal
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attorneys. i would defer you to him. >> you're aware of them. so what more can you share with us? >> arbitration was won in the president's favor. >> reporter: she was obtaining a temporary restraining order to prevent daniels from speaking out about her alleged affair with mr. trump. >> she had no idea it was happening. no opportunity to respond. but president trump has quote, won, and we find it to be baseless. >> reporter: they are actively trying to intimidate his client. mr. cohen has not responded for comment. they will try to shift the focus to the controversial proposal on tariffs on steel and aluminum. there is confusion about the rollout. peter navarro saying in an interview mr. trump will sign the tariffs into law today.
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but a white house aide telling cnn that the policy is not even finalized. navarro announcing there will be exemptions for canada and mexico after facing heavy backlash from fellow republicans. >> there will be a clause that does not impose these tariffs immediately on canada and mexico. >> reporter: on sunday, navarro touting a different approach. >> at this point in time there are no country executions. solutions. as soon as you exempt one country you have to exempt another country. so it's a slippery slope. >> reporter: this tariff announcement continues to be mired in chaos today. we know that the president has been pushing his staff to get it done by the end of this week. he is heading to pennsylvania over the weekend in a race that could potentially benefit from an announcement like this. however, the policy is not done yet, and the white house still won't say whether it's going to be announced today.
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meanwhile, on the president's otherwise public schedule, he will have a cabinet meeting this morning where he will probably be asked questions about tariffs, stormy daniels, the whole thing. alisyn and chris? >> indeed, he will. backly, thank you for all of that. >> let's discuss with michael smerconish and john avlon. we do not have any more indication whether this will actually happen today. but you see this as just another example of them not getting their ducks in a row at the white house? there are legitimate policy decisions at play here. >> i think there is a combination of both. i think they also have their eye on the issue of the pennsylvania special election on tuesday. the president clearly wants to get this issue resolved in time to go into pennsylvania on saturday so as to effect the outcome of what is a very close election. >> michael, i want to stop you
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for one second. those are your stomping grounds. you're in philly. you understand pennsylvania as well as anybody. how does it play there? friend or foe in pennsylvania? >> in that particular district, pennsylvania's 18th district, i think it plays well for the president of the united states. there are a lot of misconceptions about that district. it is democratic in its registration but has a tendency to elect republicans. donald trump did extremely well there. he remains popular there. if you had to identify, alisyn, among 435 congressional districts in which of them would this issue play the best? pennsylvania's 18th would be at the top of the list. >> michael is exactly right about the composition of the district. but there is also this. it shouldn't be competitive because it is such trump country. because they have represented recently. the fact that it is neck and neck and the fact that they think a trade war will help to win a special election, that is
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top top topsy turvy. >> this isn't just political, john. he has long felt america is being screwed. >> yes. >> other countries are screwing america over. this is beyond just throwing red meat for a special election. >> that's the buzz saw gary cohn read into it. this is what the president has cared about in his books going back decades. this is one of his deep-seated beliefs. he is goes to execute on it. people don't realize this is an area of real conviction for the president. >> no question that the president has felt that the u.s. doesn't get a good deal with trade relationships. it's always been easy to say. it's harder to fix. he is fixing a method that will likely do more damage. just in terms of the scale of labor that's involved.
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you have 10 districts where you have exponentially more workers dependent on the use of these materials than on the manufacturing of the materials. and they are going to be affected by these tariffs. he should deal with automation, worker retraining, bringing new industries into the united states. not putting one group to the advantage against a much larger group. true? >> well, i think your observation is there will be a tremendous ripple effect from his implementation from the tariff that may come back to bite him in the fanny that he seeks to help. no surprise he is delivering on yet another campaign promise. people can disagree about the policy, but he is checking off the list each of the things that he promised. >> how is he helping workers is he is going to disadvantage more workers than he helps? >> chris, what you're really get to go is what's the matter with kansas book and whether voters
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will. and same with the individual mandate, which is there frankly to protect many of them. whether there is a recognition on the part of the voters of who it has helped or hurt, that is a debatable point. >> that will come when consequences kick in. you are suggesting a more complicated palette to deal with the underlying problem. this is the the poetry of governing versus campaigning. folks pulling an all-nighter trying to pull together a trade policy. that's backwards. that's falling apart right now. shiite not be done on the fly. it is being done on the fly. make no mistake. >> let's talk about the latest details on stormy daniels case, aka, stephanie clifford.
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the president's personal lawyer, michael cohen has filed arbitration to try to silence stormy daniels, stephanie clifford, who wants to now, it sounds like, speak out about all of this. what is the political upshot of all of this? >> well, the political upshot, negligent skwreubl. i'm more interested in the legal upshot. i don't think this moves the needle politically speaking. let me talk about the legal aspect. i think the president has a real conundrum. this is a declaratory action she is has filed. why? she wants to speak. she wants to speak without the penalty of a million dollars for each infraction of the hush agreement. so he's now been sued. president trump has been sued. and he needs to respond. his response is, i see it can take one of three forms. number one, he can defend the validity of the underlying agreement. by the way, when sarah huckabee sanders said he won at
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arbitration, i don't know whether she realizes it, but she is buying into the underlying agreement and facts of this case. secondly, he can ignore the declaratory action. stormy daniels win pweus default and she gets to speak. third option is the president has to thread the needle. i didn't know anything about it. i had no idea what michael cohen was up to. i didn't authorize this. but it's nevertheless a valid agreement. and each of those will have some consequence, if not politically, within the white house second floor, you would think. >> the biggest consequence legally could be if he gets asked about this affair and the arrangements by investigators and he doesn't tell the truth. then it goes what is impressive to his voters and us versus people who can attach a consequence. one thing you said, sarah huckabee sanders, by saying the president won, plays into the clifford case that it was always about the president, not about michael cohen and her. so that was clumsy for sanders
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to say. but doesn't she have unclean hands in this? she took the 130 grand. she made her deal. bring michael back. i can't see his head. i don't know if he's hearing what i'm saying. you only half believe me. you're like in silhouette. what are you, mickey spillane? she took the 130 grand. she made the deal. she doesn't like the deal. but that's not the way deals work right now. when they went to arbitration, the arbitration judge said, yeah, you're not supposed to talk about this deal. you can't seek legal relief. and then she filed it anyway asking for declaratory judgment which we both know they are loathe to bring, especially in circumstances like this when one may have unclean hands. >> right. what i find interesting is stormy daniels's lawyer in this case, in the arbitration, sarah huckabee sanders said the president won.
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here's the caption. i know you can't see it, but take my word for it. he wasn't party. michael cohen brought this action without any regard for president trump. what i find interesting is the very aggressive posture of stormy daniels's lawyer who essentially says forget this, i'm going to name donald trump in my client. i'm not even going to rely on the arbitration. i'm going to act as if never even took place. he didn't appeal the arbitration. all he did is reference it and say that it was sur repetitiously obtained. so he is not litigating. here's my point. he is not litigating in the court. he's litigating in the court of public opinion. >> exactly. >> that's why he named the president. >> and she did get to say once again they had an intimate affair. which is a very trumpian tactic. he used to do that in lawsuits. >> that's getting a taeuflt of your own medicine. once this is all in the court of public opinion, we had the
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interview she gave before this was signed. it gets politically trickier for reasons of violations. what did the president know when cohen was trying to push this through. let's not pretend the is surface story smacks of anything resembling the truth, right? this is about trying to tamp down an uncomfortable fact in the final days of the campaign. the headline of the president and the porn star doesn't go away, folks. >> people who voted for trump are not going to turn on him because of this. >> trump has said early on his core supporters, he could stand on 5th avenue and shoot someone and they would stand by him. but does his numbers go from 35% to 30%? do they start to say, you know what, this is something that drove us crazy with bill clinton. this is not the behavior we're looking into. >> or does it go from 35% to
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39%? we keep looking at this like it could hurt him. are you kidding me? among blue collared men, do you think he's being hurt by this or helped? >> okay. great great. on that note, thank you very much. so the white house wants to change the conversation to the president's tariff plan. but the policy does not appear to be fully baked. there is confusion over the timing and the details of the plan and when it will be rolled out. we will try to get answers next. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase. ♪ ♪
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what are the details of president trump's plan for tariffs on steel and aluminum and when will they go into effect? the answers to those questions are not clear this morning. we don't even know if the announcement is happening today, though it had been promised at one time from the white house. let's discuss this with steven moore, former senior economic adviser for the trump campaign and bill crystal, editor of the weekly standard. great to have both of you here to talk through news of the day. stephen moore, tariffs. it sounds like they are still ironing out the policy on this.
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i heard you say you think this is a bad policy. what don't you like about tariffs? >> well, i'm not in favor of tariffs blanket. i think the steel and aluminum tariffs are going to be counterproductive, alisyn. i don't even think this is going to save the kind of factory jobs that donald trump wants to because so many americans are using steel, not uproducing it. he really does care about these workers. he's been to places like michigan, pennsylvania, and ohio where a lot of americans feel like trade is responsible for the loss of their jobs. but i think where this is headed right now, alisyn, is in the direction that i'm more comfortable with, which is to really tailor and target these tariffs toward the real bad actors on the international scene. countries like russia and china which are cheating and stealing. if that's the case, i'm in favor of putting some punitive tariffs until they start behavinbehavin.
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we can't have them stealing $5 billion a year of american technology and know-how. >> it is hard to know exactly where they stand on this because they have been all over the map, include peter thnavarro who see to be the guru on this. listen to this about tariffs. >> general consensus that the president heard was tariffs rather than quotas and that they should be across the board no country exemptions. >> everybody in the swamp is rising up against it. at the end of the day, we're getting a bad deal. >> the proclamation will have a clause that does not impose these tariffs immediately on canada and mexico. >> in a few days we heard no exemptions, no country is exempt to, yes, we will exempt canada is and mexico.
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what are you seeing? >> who knows in it is rattling our allies. we have been at the core of an increasingly free trade system what has brought a lot of prosperity. what is the biggest thing they do wrong? stealing intellectual property. let's change the rules on that. this doesn't do that at all. they are rattled by the tariffs, departure of gary cohn and h.r. mcmaster. the adults are keeping things kind of under control. kelly, mcmaster, cohn. you don't have trade wars. you don't have real wars. suddenly we've got stormy daniels story, which in a way is trivial but does show the recklessness in which trump lives his life and his personal lawyers act. more importantly, gary cohn leaving. this blow to our allies.
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if you're canada, i mean, if you're one of the european countries -- >> they're exempt now. that is the latest. >> we'll see. steve moore is the guy who knows this. you don't want government picking. well, this country will exempt. every lobbyist will be signing up different governments, different industries. harley davidson, i can get you this. this is what conservatives have been against. >> the swamp. >> yeah, this is the swamp. >> let me just respond is to that. i don't think it is an effective policy. but on the other hand, to say this is halvf-baked, i started working for president trump two years ago. we talked about this policy hundreds of times. >> it's not that it is half-baked. it was supposed to happen at 3:30 today, but it's not on the schedule. >> my point is it's no secret there is a lot of disagreement within, you know, trump's
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advisers on this policy. but, bill, i will say this. i did travel to these mid-western states with donald trump, pennsylvania, ohio, and michigan, west virginia, and kentucky and iowa. i've got to tell you, bill, we all can talk about the virtues of free trade, but there is a pretty good chance if he had not gone to the states and said i'm going to protect your jobs, he might not be president. it is is the campaign promise. >> oh, come on. fine. if you think it is appropriate to file for foolish policies because maybe it gets you a few votes, people thinking trade is their problem. the reason steel plants closed down is automation, we need steel in these plants. >> i want you to answer that. >> don't we think -- >> if automation is a problem and steel workers aren't going to get their jobs back because of automation, how does this -- >> there are more steel is workers today than there were two years ago. >> that's true.
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but you know what -- let me make two responses. first, look, i think it is mighty refreshing to voters you have a president who comes into office and keeps his promises. bill, he is keeping a promise here. do i agree with the policy? no. it is admirable that he is doing what he said he would do. when i was a kid in the early 1970s, my parents took me to michigan. we went to some of the steel mills. we went to the auto factories. those were old sweat shops with thousands of workers. you're right. you go to those factories today where you might have had 2,000 workers, today you have 100 workers and they are producing more cars, more steel. that's automation. the other thing that is interesting about this, alisyn, when i go around the country and talk to employers who are running construction sites or manufacturing plants, their problem is they can't find enough workers. >> right. which is why we need more
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immigrants. a position, steve, you have always held. and which donald trump is against also. we will cut back on immigration and impose tariffs. both are bad for the country. >> i want them to come, but i want them to come legally. >> back to tariffs. you're saying, stephen, tariffs are not going to help reemploy any of the steel workers? >> look, at the margin in the short-term, they will. as bill just said, the price of imported steel has gone up 20%. that obviously is going to make american steel and the margin, you know, that probably in the short-term will save jobs. i agree with bill, you're right, bill. even in the medium term, tariffs is not the way to protect this industry. it's become more productive and to become more capital intensive. that is what's happening in your factory. i'll bullish. i don't think they need
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protection. but when it comes to china, why not use tariffs, bill, as the way to force china to start doing the right thing? why not use it as a way to get them to shut down the nuclear program in north korea. >> last word, bill. >> if he can use it as leveraging in china, target china. there are ways to do that that are not across the board tariffs. >> i agree with that. >> okay. wow. thank you, gentlemen, very much, for the conversation. white house senior adviser jared kushner met with mexico's president this week. should he be taking on this high-profile role without a security clearance? senior angus king is here next. global markets may be uncertain... but you can feel confident in our investment experience around the world. call us or your advisor... t. rowe price. invest with confidence. and back pain made it hard to sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid...
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a new national poll shows 60% of americans think it is a bad idea for jared kushner. he has been stripped of his top security clearance. he is not stopping it from taking high-profile assignments. he just met with mexico's president yesterday. joining us now is senator angus king, part of the intelligence
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committee which conducted a hearing into security clearances yesterday. senator, thank you for joining us. help me understand this. so kushner has the clearance stripped, which has all of this political misch gas attached to it. he meets with mexico's president. what information did he have going into that meeting? and is it true he didn't bring the expert from the state department who has been in the post 30 years with him on this trip. >> i can't speak to the latter trip. if he didn't, that's a mistakmi. here's the situation with the security clearance. what he lost was top secret clearance. without a top secret clearance, you can't see information supplied by assets or agents. you can't see information supplied by what's called signals intelligence which is intelligence intercepts abroad.
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and you can't see intelligence that is supplied by another country. you can't see a lot of material. and he's assigned to do things like work in trying to bring a solution to the middle east. you just can't do that without that kind of information. it's trying to negotiating a one hand tied behind your back. so i don't see how -- i mean, he could still work in the white house, if that's the president's choice. but i don't see how he can work in these high-profile international questions. i understand he also is supposed to be working with china. i don't know how he can do that without having that clearance. it is virtually impossible, it seems. >> i guess the question becomes when does he get that clearance? >> it's been a year or more. and i think the understanding is that the fbi report basically created a situation where john kelly decided he could not -- he couldn't get that clearance. and i just -- as i say, i think
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it would be very difficult for him to do the jobs that the president has assigned to him. >> right. >> without the ability to see that very important information. >> well, if he's not capable or whatever, if he is not worthy of that kind of clearance, why would you want him close to the president on such sensitive matters? >> well, that is a question for the president. the president has to -- this is not a confirmable position. it is not a role that the senate has in this. the president can choose to have the people around him he chooses. >> he can choose information that the clearance doesn't justify showing him. >> yes, he could. the president has the power to unilaterally release any top secret information. but he would have to do that on a case-by-case basis. every day he would have to call in and say, okay, jared, here's what i'm going to tell you today. he couldn't give a kind of special clearance to get this material. that is a couple better some way to do business. i saw top secret material on the
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middle east, very informative without that information. i don't know how you can adequately represent our interests in any part of the world. the president promised he's been saying for years american workers get a raw deal. it seems by every economic calculus, they could be adversely affected than helped by these tariffs.
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you don't do this with a chainsaw. that's where we are today. the other piece, chris, is a process by which we got there. this is very important, significant stuff. and what are the results going to be? what are the retaliation, the europeans are already talking about retaliation. and this is where ugly things can happen that are unanticipated when you unleash something like this without sufficient talking to the defense department, the state department, the other countries, the allies. that's what worries me here. >> how real is this notion that
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people in congress may change legislation to hem in the president's power. this is in the interest of national security. >> by the way, i think there are areas where we definitely need to re negotianegotiate some of trade agreements. how do you do it? will congress do something about changing this section. i doubt it. there has been a huge uproar on all sides. most reaction has been on the republican side. you said the right word. this whole tariff and discussion is under a provision of the law that allows the president to do this in the name of national security. that's the purpose.
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that sounds more like a trade dispute than it does national security. >> if you can't make the case, who is the arbiter whether or not he makes a case for national security interests? >> well, probably -- my guess is there will be multiple forms. the world trade organization would certainly be the first place allies would go to say this is a violation of the treaty. >> congress can rewrite the law. that's really the recourse that i see. >> all right. senator king, always a pleasure. the president just tweeted. somebody tell me in my ear what did he say?
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he said angus king is distractingly attractive. he's got to go. looking forward to 3:30 meeting at the white house to protect and build aluminum and steel industries. so what does that mean to you? >> well, it certainly means he's going to go forward with these tariffs in spite of the reactions from both congress, allies and other people around the world. i think the remaining question is whether he's going to narrow the focus and focus on china, for example, or is it going to be this blunder bust approach that it hits allies harder than it does china. >> senator king, as i said before, i'll say it again. thank you for being on the show. appreciate your perspective. alis alisyn? >> another topic, obviously the nation is watching. gun violence. florida lawmakers are set to take action after the parkland school massacre. we'll tell you what's in their bill that they put on the
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so will the governor sign this? athena jones is live in tallahassey more. what have you learned, athena? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. well, this bill would do a number of things. it would raise the age to purchase a firearm to 21 years old from 18 years old and require a three-day waiting period. it would also ban the seal or possession of bump stocks. you have weapons and ammunition for anyone deemed mentally unfit or otherwise a threat. and it would provide additional funding for armed resource officers and for mental health services and school districts across the state. the most controversial provision in the bill would allow some teachers and other school staff to be armed after they undergo training. governor rick scott opposes arming teachers. he said teachers should teach. he also is opposed to this three-day waiting period
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included in the bill. we don't know whether he would veto legislation that includes those provisions. the governor said yesterday once he receives the bill, he will be reviewing it line by line. one important thing to note, he has 15 days to make a decision. after that, if he hasn't made a decision, it automatically goes into effect. 17 counts of attempted murder in the first degree. chris? >> it's really such a window into how jumbled the politics are when it comes to access to weapons. the governor down there is saying teachers shouldn't have weapons. that's not part of safety. but a three-day waiting period is somehow offensive to him. it's an interesting look. it will be interesting to see how he justifies that. another story this morning. police in alabama calling a deadly shooting at a high school in birmingham an accident. at least two shots were fired at
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dismissal time yesterday killing a 17-year-old female student. the 17-year-old male student was injured. the school has metal detectors and resource officers who were on duty. authorities are not saying why they would consider a deadly shooting accidental. we await details. >> we need a lot more answers there. okay. so the powerful nor'easter that slammed the northeast continues dropping snow in new england. toppling trees and power lines. it has left 800,000 homes without power across new england and the mid atlantic. forecasters say yet another winter storm could hit the east coast next week. >> a new travel alert for the mexican resort city del playa del carmen. context here. this comes after a ferry explosion injured 26 people there last month. the embassy did not specify the
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threat or say it was linked to that explosion. confusion over the timing and the details. it was set to roll out today. let's see what information chief business correspondent christine romans has "in the money" center. >> reporter: aides were still working on the plan a last night. >> the proclamation will have a clause that does not impose tariffs immediately on canada and mexico. >> reversing what he said last week saying there would be no exemptions. just the hint of that helped stocks. wall street fears it could spark a trade war. not just investors here. trump's tariff plan has
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opposition from aides, allies. hundreds have sent letters saying don't do this to the white house. they are concerned it could hurt manufacturing and agriculture. china will make a necessary response in the event of a trade war. the president tweeting saying he is looking forward to a 3:30 meeting about those tariffs. maybe we will get news after all, chris. >> let's not forget, the statute that gives the president this power to put these tariffs in place require he make a case of national security interest. how does he make that case? we'll see. pope francis is making his mission to help syrian refugees. boy, has this been an ignored area of need. bill weir takes us to the vat condition to meet some of the people the pope helped rescue, next. hi i'm joan lunden. today's senior living communities have never been better,
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. cnn has a new original series called "pope: the most powerful man in history." it premiers on sunday night. it explores -- bill weir is just back from vatican city where he got an inside look at how pope francis is responding to the syrian refugee crisis. >> it was impressive to see him bless people in person. you see the looks on their faces. next week will be the five-year anniversary of their election. this is the most liberal pope on the environment, income inequality. one topic that is tearing europe apart and tearing families apart here in the united states. even before day one it was obvious that francis would be different. >> they sent him a first class ticket to come to the papal election but he traded in for
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coach. while all the other cardinals were arriving in limousines, he wauktd to the vatican every day. though he could live in the finest room in the finest palace here, he chose a humble little abode inside the vatican guest house. from this room the first pope to name himself after the poorist saint planned an agenda for the neediest souls. you can see it in the form of the homeless sleeping under priceless vatican frescoes, or when you knock on the door of an archbishop and it is answered by a family of syrian refugees. days afghan difficult and madeleine were married, she was kidnapped by isis. after ransom was paid by syrian christians, they were welcomed here by roman catholics. >> oh, stella. you can't cry. you're the luckiest baby. you're the luckiest baby in italy. >> reporter: nearly every day the pope mentions the suffering
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in syria. on a visit to a refugee camp, he even brought a dozen muslims home. >> many people lose their lives trying to leave syria. some taik en advantage of by traffickers. you ended up on the pope's plan. >> reporter: it's fantastic she says. he's a real human being, an example to leaders of all religi religions. >> has he tried to convert you? >> no. >> reporter: despite his example, mateo, the trump inspired politician who vowed to round up mieg grants and segregate muslims saw a surge of support. >> they also see a situation where you reach a critical mass and you say we don't know how much more of this we can do. >> reporter: the pope said recently, if you split up families because of immigration, you can't be pro life.
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>> that's right. >> you agree with that? >> definitely. >> reporter: sister norma works on the texas-mexico border and says this pope is her model for how to treat everyone. >> we feel encouraged that we're doing the right thing. his presence, his words, his message is a sense of strength for us. >> reporter: francis has tackled so much, but opening hearts in a world of closing borders may be the biggest faith project of all. francis is largely popular in the church, even in different parts of the world. there's a small passion flat minority of conservatives who really do not like him. they think he might be a heretic based on him softening the rules on gay marriage or priests getting married. and there are those who worry he's a socialist from south america who wants to impose this open border model on the rest of the world. >> he's had some american catholics who pushed on hill
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that he hasn't taken on enough things. he was in a tough spot. maybe that's why he didn't want the job the first time around, as the story goes. in terms of the dedication to this principle just laid out by the nun there, being pro life means you don't split up families in the name of immigration policy. that's going to be a tough sell in the united states. >> it is a tough sell. the feelings about this is different from evangelicals to catholics. catholics think right to life doesn't end once the baby squirts out and you should take care all the way through. anti death penalty and pro immigration sorts of things. it does depend country by country. but your religion, your faith, the rubber meets the road. 50 immigrants from a completely different culture move? next door and suddenly everybody at the grocery store is speaking bir kas and speaking a different language, that tension around
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the world, that's the story of where civilization is headed. >> is it fair to say the pope doesn't look at the politics, but sort of the more bip cal messages of embrace the stranger, embrace the poor refugee. >> by that logic, jesus would not win elections in italy or the united states today. you know what i mean? that's what i found so fascinating. he has such adoration and fidelity from the faithful, but at the ballot box it's a different decision. >> another good point. look at the elections they just had in italy. we have the right storyteller on there at the right time. >> thanks. >> i see the catholics won you over. that's a lentin color. >> i got this in italy. be sure to turn in to "pope: the most powerful man in
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history" this sunday at 10:00 p.m. only on cnn. we're following a lot of snus included breaking news out of the white house. let's get right to it. >> there was no knowledge of any payments from the president. >> the idea president trump didn't know anything about this is patently absurd. >> hopefully i'll be able to tell my side. >> we are urging caution that this could send the economy in the wrong direction. >> he wants to address the trade imbalances, we're moving fully ahead. >> this wasn't thought through at all. >> it was completely improper to interrogate witnesses after the provided testimony. we saw this before in watergate. >> it's perfectly flonormal for anyone to be concerned about this. >> this shows a heightened sense of paranoia. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and

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