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new. his love life had been a tabloid father which some stoked. it is not new for washington d.c. most republicans, democrats do not do is pay to hush it up. we begin tonight by continuing to follow the money or trying to in examining the claims made by his go-to fix it guy. before that to donald trump candidate. michael cohen, trump organization employee. he said neater the trump according anization were a party to the transaction and neater reimbursed me either directly or indirectly. it was not a campaign expenditure by anyone. $130,000, 11 days before the election in exchange for daniels silence about the affair she said she had back in 2006.

today he said he raised from a home equity credit line. nothing he told the candidate about. just his own money from his own pocket. >> lawyers don't do that. they don't do that with their own money. it's not ethical. it's not proper to do that without talking to the client. it also doesn't make any sense. you know, it's one thing if he was such a billionaire he had $130,000 sitting around. the idea dthat he goes into a home equity line and it goes out of the goodness of his own house, it's not believable. >> also the claims not to have actually have informed his client about it at all. even if everything he claims is

true that he borrowed money, how do you explain he was -- the question is reimbursed by what? fake news he said. in connection with a lawsuit to invalidate to attorney produced e-mails using his trump organization address. it shows him at his trump organization saying this funds have been deposited. michael cohen forwarding it in an e-mail ma includes the corporate e-mail account. all of this to handle the payoff on his behalf 11 days before the election. did donald trump now in an effort to bury a late october surprise and does it campaign any other laus?

we don't know tonight for is the white house saying much. >> we add addressed this extensively. >> the president has addressed these directly and made very well clear none of these allegations are true. >> so the one thing neither she for the president for anyone else has done is address them directly or extensively. it's the one thing they have not done. it is something we'll talk act with our first guest. thanks for being with us. you have just given us a new document you believe is significant. can you explain what it is? >> this is another e-mail that shows that throughout this negotiation period this period

in which he was negotiating on he president's behalf. >> with stormy daniels then attorney. >> that's correct. during this time period he was using his e-mail address at the trump organization and his e-mail signature block to identify he was doing this on behalf of the trump organization. >> this is a new e-mail you given us tonight which is from michael cohen using his trump organization and describing himself. >> that's absolutely correct. i think one of the things that's critically important abiliout t e-mail, the last e-mail in the string it talks about how the office is closed. >> the trump organization offices. >> that's correct. >> if i could set the stage relating to this e-mail this was around the time period that the payment was to be made.

it was ultimately not made and the deal fell apart for a while and ultimately was resurrected and the paeyment was made in lae october. this relates to the first date of the payment in mid-october. now, why is this important to reference in the officer? it appears to be rather innocuous when we look at it. if in fact the payment was being made personally by attorney cohen he wouldn't need an office open in order to the payment. >> and she talking about the trump organization office. >> that is the officer he is clearly referring to. if you put it up on the screen he identifies himself as executive vice president and special council to donald j.

trump. he listed the address. >> and this was an e-mail he sent to the attorney basically explains why the money hadn't yet been sent. >> that is correct. if this was a personal transaction as your viewers know, when your connecting personal business you don't have to go to your office to connect personal business. you can do it from your home and your cell phone. >> and this is actually now -- this is a brand new document you just released. explain this. >> it is an e-mail exchange between a representative of first republic bank to mr. cohen

suggesting they transferred money to a checking account at first republic. >> so it was sent to his trump organization e-mail account. >> absolutely. he then turns around and forwards that to his personal e-mail account which is the next e-mail in the string above that. >> so that that's been shown on the screen basically says that the money is in the account. >> correct. it is from the bank employee to mr. cohn. >> why would he then feel the need to forward that e-mail to himself to his private address to communicate with stormy daniels? >> i don't have an explain

nation with it. if there was nothing to hide then mr. cohn could have forwarded this directly to mr. davidson and would not have had to take the step of going to his personal e-mail. he sent it to his personal e-mail address. he was going to sends it to mr. daif davidson. he showed it had taken place at the trump organization. >> so michael cohn has said some things about you. abili about this he says i sent it from family and friends and used it for everything. i'm certain most people can relate. >> i can relate. i often use personal or business e-mails for personal business. i don't think that's that unusual.

what's unusual is the routing of the e-mail to his personal e-mail account and then making sure to send it from his personal e-mail account to mr. davidson. >> the reason you believe this is so important is because he said this is something i did out of loyalty. what do you make of this? >> the word is bosta. it means enough. we have heard explanation upon explanation. it is nonsense. i'm running out of superlatives. your guests on other networks, we are all out of sue

perlatives. nonsense, ludicris, the list goes on and on. we are out of words to describe what mr. cohn is trying to se-- codchs hc cohen is trying to sell to the american public. >> it is possible that he under dp to undertook all of this work. it took a while to negotiate and draft. >> the nondisclosure agreement. >> yes. it is something that's a detailed document. they have to go through documents. they spent so much time spending so much time and usually billing their client for the time they spent. this took a long time.

we are talk about hours and hours and hours at what they expect the american public to believe is that he went off on his own without any guidance other communication whatsoever with his client. he decided he was going to do this. he was going to draft the document. he was going to negotiate it. >> and if again i'm not a lawyer but i know if somebody is making a contract and they are having other people sign it and they are representing themselves and i don't even know about the document it seems highly unethical. >> it is completely unethical. >> it can result in what we call getting your ticket stamped. what that means is you lose your license. >> michael cohen, also the white house has said look, the -- you

say cohen set up this arbitration very quickly. you weren't informed. stormy daniels wasn't informed and they got a ruling that you say is invalid. did you not know that michael cohen was doing this har a by - arbitration if. >> first of all the arbitration was brought not in donald trump's name but in the llc name that attorney cohen had set up. the llc did not have the right or the ability and in legal terms it's called standing to proceed with the arbitration. first of all you the wrong party. second of all mr. cohen was

required by the bar rules to of california to be a licensed attorney in california or to have a licensed attorney as what is called local council. he did neither. that's a misdemeanor under the law. >> so he isn't licensed to practice law in california? >> there's nothing indicating that he is. we haven't been able to find any record of him being licensed in california. if he wasn't licensed in california it's a misdemeanor to be practicing law. it's no different if i came to new york or washington d.c. and attempted to practice law. i'm not licensed if those jurisdictions. that's the second problem with the arbitration. >> we have to take a break but i want to ask you that the bank itself, when they received $130,000 that was going to be movered t moved, they raised a red flag. it is a suspicious activity report. again, the question is where did this money come from?

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it revealed that cohen used his trump corporate e-mail account during the transaction, something he is very much down playing moments ago. he showed us a new e-mail referring the officer being closed suggesting if he truly was doing this on his own the office being opened or closed would not be relevant. so one of the things i don't think has gotten a lot of attention, and again, our focus is following the money. for full disclosure i should say i met and talked with your client. there was a report when the bank i guess was first national received $130,000. >> first republic. >> first republic. when they got $130,000 the bank it was a suspicious activity report put up.

can you explain why $130,000 would have triggered a suspicious activity report? >> there are treasury regulations that are in place to guard again money laundering and financial crimes. these regulations hold when a bank determines that a particular financial transaction is suspicious they are obligated under the law to prepare and file what is called a suspicious activity report otherwise known as a sar. first republic bank repaired a sar, suspicious activity report, relating to this incident of the $130,000. they transmitted that sar to the financial crimes enforcement. it is a division of the u.s. treasury. we don't know what happened after that point.

very often they will disregard the sars. some times they will investigate them or send them to the fbi for further we don't know what it shows but we know that the president and his appointee control. they could very easily release this sar. if his story is to be believed then release the sar. it is a fairly brief document. it will be very illuminating related to this transaction. if there's nothing to hide release the sar and let the american people see what happened here.

zb >> so he me get this straight. the bank we have been seeing the e-mails from that he had moved into the other account, that's the bank that said that this was suspicious? >> that is correct. that e-mail that was on the zre screen earlier, the e-mail sent to him saying that the money has been placed in this new account from which it was ultimately wired to daniels attorney, that's the bank that prepared the sar, transmitted it and we want it released. >> he said a lot today. he did not address this notion againov of potentially unethica bela

behavior in an agreement without his client's knowledge. i mean he went after you. he said that you clearly allowed your 15 minutesover fame to effect your conclusions. he shoul evacuate the room he is standing in or seek the attention of a doctor. >> i'm a little under the weather but i don't think i need a doctor. second of all i have been fortunate in my career that i think i exhausted my 15 minutes or maybe 15 years ago. separate apart from that, i want to keep it about the facts and keep it about the truth. anderson, quite honestly, i don't care if you're on the left or right or in the middle the american people deserve straight talk, not spin, on this issue. they deserve facts. they deserve the truth. they deserve evidence. this is not complicated.

the questions are simple. did mr. trump know about the negotiation of this agreement? did he know about the payment? did he sign the document? did he facilitate or pay the money or did he have somebody else pay the money and what was that relationship? this could be cleared up very very simply. i don't know why it hasn't been cleared up. release the sar, let the american people decide. >> okay. we'll come back with our panel. we'll be right back.

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we are talking about the dlam cohen paid for that. we are here to discuss that. what do you make of that? >> there are quite a few problems with the arbitration agreement to begin with. there is a whole line of california cases that say private arbitrators cannot issue

injunk ifr release. that is one problem. i know the judge who issued this i have a great deal of respect for her. i don't know. that's one of the reasons you don't do these reasons just one side. you need both sides to give a judge the issue. the other problem i think they have got just from a practical standpoint is many of the issues that michael has raised in front of the judge and unless they use a challenge she is one of the smartest and ablist people on the bench and my feeling is that when she sees this and sees what happens she is not going to give a whole lot. i don't worry as much about the committee of misdemeanor of practicing law without a licenseme license. i'm sure he will say -- i won't mention the name. i have a good idea who their local council will be. it is somebody he has used before in other litigation. >> what about negotiating a contract involving a third party

that the third party -- he is claiming the third party doesn't know anything about? >> that is a real problem. i have been in a situation where i have had a client that i have represented multiple times where i have told the client he needs to settle or told the client she needs to settle. they have agreed on a subject blessing after i yell or scream at them or something like that. i cannot imagine -- and i'm not in michael's shoes and i feel his pain he has somebody he worked for. he probably feels like he was doing the right thing. no good deed goes unpunished. in this dacase i don't know if would be more upset at trump or my -- >> does it make sense that a sar would be filed? i don't know what the term is, for $130,000, for something banking at their bank somebody

being transferred from one account to another? >> yes. banks and other firms and institutions are required to do these when there is a certain monetary threshold. it might be $5,000 or $10,000. the point is to allow the treasury department to detect patterns of money flow to allow them to see terrorist organizations a that are not detected here. i think you honed in on the bigger problem here which is if you take michael cohen at his word this contract has three parties that were all supposed to be agreeing to the fundamental terms of it. the best case is exactly what daniels is claiming in her lawsuit, that it may not be a valid contract. if there was no meeting that were supposed to part of it then she may be free to talk. that is best case scenario. as we have heard before you have

potential violations of campaign finance law. john edwards was criminally prosecuted by having a third party pay for his mistress in order to help his campaign. so i don't think that this administration really has a good option no matter which way they turn right now. >> michael, what are your ochgss -- options? what do you do next? >> the window will open to start issues subpoenas and trying to find out the who, what, where, when. part of that process will be a pursuit of determining what the president knew and when he knew it. you have identified it before. that will be critical. >> do you know who you would like to subpoena? >> we do. we are putting together a discovery plan and we'll march

forward. they will be trying to drag us into arbitration, to the proceeding that mark referenced. i too know the arbitrator very well. quite honestly i think they pulled the wool over her eyes. we weren't even able to prevent any evidence or engage with her. in fact we don't even know if they disclosed to her who the true parties were. they may have just disclosed to her the aliases. we don't know what story they may have told her. we don't want to pass judgment on her determination. this is a very important point. they don't want this to take place in the public. they don't want the public to know what transpires in connection with this. they want to do it in arbitration, which is a private proceeding in an office building. it has security. you're in a conference room. people are not allowed in.

it is confidential generally. on the flip side we want to proceed with this in a public court of liaw, a courthouse whee you can't padlock people a out and people can view it and observe for themselves based on facts and everyday on what happened. >> would you ever take out a $130,000 line of credit on your house for a client? i know you're a dedicated attorney. >> i can't imagine a situation, maybe an emergency situation where it was a repeat client where i have done this -- i have bailed people out for instance when i couldn't find a bondsman. another lawyer said get this person out. i have done that so i add mimit doing that. i suppose it is a first cousin of this. the interesting thing is, the

irony of this, i mentioned that, you know, it's jones versus clinton which is the authority that michael will have. he will not mention who he is going to put on his deposition list. who is front and center is david den dennison. thai it was decided it would not interfere with discharge of his duties and he was subject to civil process. that's a real problem. he can't escape from that unless he says that i wasn't a party to this. if he says i wasn't a party to this, i didn't do this then michael cohen has got issues. i know he feels like it isn't breaking news but it obviously it. it is no different than jones and clinton. >> are there civil violations?

>> there can be civil and criminal penalties. you know, at the time legal experts debated whether that was an appropriate prosecution to bring. there is precedent and there is essentially, you know, precedent for characterizing this kind of payment as being something to the benefit of the campaign. you know, the president is now facing two different precedents because he has a potential deposition coming up on this and a show down with mueller. and it will not help him challenge that very well either. he has a lot of legal problems coming. >> let me say this as it relates. mark wasn't hanging it out there when he said obviously we will seek to depose the president in

connection with this case. most depositions last more than a day. in california we have a limit of seven and a half hours. i'll make this guarantee right now. we will limit the deposition of mr. trump to less than one hour. we will take it any place in the world at any time. any time, any place less than one hour. >> you think you could do that in an hour in. >> i do. i do. that's how simple we think this case is. >> thank you. more ahead. the white house seems to tread very carefully saying initially no meeting would take place. we are keeping them honest on that next.

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there were plenty of mixed messages. white house pres secretary says deserves all of the credit for what could be a landmark negotiation. still it said north korea had to describe concrete actions to fulfill promises before any meeting could take place.

later white house officials said never mind invitation was accepted. vice president pence chimed in sayi saying north korea should know all of the options are on the table. the president tweeted about it. keeping track of it now from the white house, the president just tweeted what did he say? >> a very busy couple of days. the question still remains on bl the meeting will actually happen. the president said the deal with north korea is very much in the making and will be if completed a very good one for the world. time and place to be determined. so the president trying to close the day or week here saying this meeting he believes will happen. they say by early may some point in may, that's not a lot of time here on what is the biggest diplomatic gamble and certainly

in generations for an american leader. >> yes. there was a sense he may have gotten ahead of his staff. is that still the sense today? >> it is the sense. the president came out. the smile on his face was clear that he wanted the deal to hatchatc happen. the question is what conditions this will happen under. is he giving up too much here by saying he will go over there for that meeting? but he is taking a big gamble. they have very seldom given him sort of a nod on this. if it works it will be an amazi amazing bit of diplomacy. >> thank you. >> no sitting american president has sat with a leader. i'm joined now by michael

hayden. the white house saying they made no concessions. is it agreeing meeting him in the first place sort of a concession? >> anderson, i think that's a really big deal. it was the first thing i noeltsnoeltticed yesterday. i they made every effort to try to isolate me as a lonely two star so they could make it appear to be a talk between the north koreans and the united states. so they have been driving for dialogue with us, this equality with us, this equivalency with us. i fear that the most powerful image that will come out of this is the president of a real country, ours, standing next to the president of north korea

with him enjoys the legitimacy that our president brings with him. >> is that something that the north korea dpn regime uses to bolster his he jit thlegitimacy? >> absolutely. we want to leverage it. he has 345ed tmade the nuclear a touch stone there. it is about the march to this nuclear reach that they have. so what this is going to appear to be to the north korean people is that they have arrived at their destination and that has caused the american president to make a pilgrimage to talk to their dear and powerful leader. so there are downsides associated with this. i want to be hopeful.

i hope it turns out if this is complicated and we are making seer serious concessions going in. i fear that the wheels will start to fly off and we may make conflict more likely in the long term. anderson, just think now how much both presidents, kim and president trump are invested in this meeting. if the wheels fly off in this meeting, if it ends up in a bad place to what are they going to turn? since it already started they are not going to turn to diplomacy. >> the white house said the president will not have the meeting without concrete and verifiable actions and that the administration is going to verify denuclearization through the intelligence community. north korea has been resisting it for decades. >> that's right. we'll have a problem with

verification for any kind of deal. based on my backedneground and intelligence i would not tell that i could detect cheating. we have a more fundamental problem here. what is the meaning of denuclearization? it means ripping all of the stuff up and tearing the buildings down. i'm convinced that for north koreans it means a long and tourturous process leading to some future in which nuclear weapons will no longer be necessary from their point of view. it is large by because we have given them a peace treaty. largely because we have with drawn our forces. anderson, sad to say, and i really hope i'm wrong, but i don't think we see any significant reduction on the

part of north koreans without changing our equation on the peninsula. >> what's also interesting is there is still unfilled positions in the state department that are key to laying the ground work. no u.s. ambassador to south korea. he was the chief negotiator. >> yes. we are going have to load up the president with an awful lot of knowledge and understanding. he has assumed the rank of chief negotiator because we are starting this at the top. we will want him to be very knowledgeable and very care frl so that he doesn't make a misstep that the north koreans will then exploit. the fact that we have kind of stripped the department of some expertise makes it harder than it would otherwise be. i want to be hopeful but it will be hard.

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and while seeing these two parties move in the right direction together is a positive thing, it's a baby step. i mean, if you really look at the bill, we need to ban assault rifles, and that's not happening in this bill. >> he did go out of his way today to praise the students of parkland for raising their voices. he said, "to the students of marjory stoneman douglas high school, you made your voices heard. you didn't let up, and you fought until there was change. you helped change our state. you made a difference." do you think he's basically -- that this is just kind of window dressing? you don't think he is really going to keep moving in this direction? you think this is as far as it's going to go for him? >> well, no. it's nice to see that it happened, and it's nice to see there are some people thinking more for the safety of the children than for their wallets. but i do think that rick scott is using this as an easy way out of the situation. and while we appreciate his

praise, this is not what we're looking for. >> do you have a message, i wonder, for the nra in light of the suit they have now filed against the state of florida, arguing that the legislation punishes law-abiding gun owners for the criminal acts of a deranged individual? >> well, this lawsuit is just another fund-raising opportunity for the nra to pay wayne lapierre another $5 million. i mean, it's for attention. the second amendment, if you really look at it, it's not final. it's not something that's set in stone. i mean the first amendment, you've heard the fire in a movie theater rhetoric. that was written before there were machine guns, and machine guns are illegal on a federal level. the fact that the nra is claiming that they're defending everybody's second amendment rights, it's a bunch of nonsense. >> the march that's going to take place on the 24th, i'm wondering how the planning for it is going. what are your expectations? >> the march is going exceedingly well, better than i could have imagined, hoped, dreamed. the only thing that's overwhelming here is that so many people are offering their

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