the biggest joke in egypt, however, may be the pretense that the upcoming elections will be free and fair. following the arrest or withdrawal of any serious opposition candidate, president abdul fatah al sisi is effectively running unopposed. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. president trump's enemies list, that's where we start this hour. i'm brian stelter and this is requests ree liable sources" our weekly look at the story behind the story how the media really works and how the news gets made. today comparing "the apprentice" to trump's new show, the cabinet room. later a reporter who keeps breaking news about stormy daniels and that scan del hovering over the white house. first looking back at this wild week of news, i think nbc's

chuck todd said it best, "this may have been the trumpiest week yet" and all of that was on display at saturday night's rally in pennsylvania. i looked at the rally and i heard an enemy's list. the president ticking off all the people he views as opponents, including the aforementioned chuck todd. >> sleepy eyes chuck todd, he's a sleeping son of a bitch. cnn fake as hell cnn. the worst. that washington, d.c., this he got a lotf of evil, a lot of fae media, look at them, a lot of fake media. >> journal is are still near the top of trump's enemies list and that attack against chuck todd in particular has to be called out. it's offensive, and it's just plain wrong. and if the president doesn't know that, maybe melania can tell him? but look, there were many other attacks, many other names on the

enemies list, even though the president was stumping in pennsylvania he decided to attack a california congresswoman and a massachusetts senator. >> you can imagine covering bernie or pocahontas? pocahontas, how about that? and maxine waters, a very low iq individual. you ever see her? i'd love to beat oprah. i know her weakness. no, no, i know her weakness. >> and she knows yours, but hey, that's besides the point. this rally had it all, a lot of jokes, a lot of playfulness that the crowd loved, but also hatred of his enemies, hostility toward dissent, hints of racial resentment, a lot of anxiety about the future, and a lot of nostalgia about the past, even the 2016 election. notice what he says here about women voters. >> didn't we surprise them with women during the election? remember? women won't like donald trump. i said, have i really had that kind of a problem? we got 52%, right?

52. right? >> he's wrong, and in a way that's really intriguing. trump actually won 41% of female voters. let me show you why this matters. when he said 52% of women, he apparently meant white women. you can see there 52% of white women went for president trump. he was unable to win black and hispanic women in big numbers. look if other presidents made these errors, the kinds of errors trump makes at these rallies it would be front page news, right? it would be front page news, but not anymore. we have a lot to get to this hour, including chuck todd, responding to the president's vulgarities, but first let's go to selena zito, columnist with the new york post and "washington examiner" and works with us here at cnn and she was at the rally and joined by april ryan, white house correspondent and washington bureau chief for american urban radio networks and john avalon, editor-in-chief of "the day by beasily beast." selena, you were there, i describe a dark image, a lot of

enemies the. the was talking about but it sounds from your reporting that the people at the rally thought it was very lively, very positive. >> yes, absolutely. the parts thaw picked out obviously are not normal, and that's not what presidents say and you know, when you look in the piecemeal, it's unnerving, but you have to look for me as a reporter on the ground, i live in the 18th congressional district as well, this is the first time this has been the center of attention. there were people that camped out overnight to make sure that they got into the event. i don't know what the number was but there were a ton of people turned away so they couldn't attend. these events are very festive. they remind you very much of attending a tailgate party, you

know, people are happy, they see their neighbors, they bring their kids, they bring their families, and they're excited about attending. they're excited about seeing the president, and for them, it's s aspirational because they feel they are a part of something bigger than themselves. >> that's the divide in america today between the folks who aend itted the rally and the folks who let's take president trump say in the maxine waters he said she has a low iq, april ryan, a lot of other americans hear that and think it's racist. what was your reaction to the rally, april? >> well, i felt watching it, i felt he was in his comfort zone last night and i did hear him say that about maxine waters. maxine waters, she was a lawyer prior to congress, so i mean, i don't understand how she could have a low iq but he clearly doesn't like her because she's calling and has called basically since day one of this trump

administration for his impeachment. if you are against the president or if you stand out saying look, this is not right he has a tendency not to like you. i took note of his confidence. he was in his element last night. he was making fun of presidents. he said they want me to be presidential and he was acting like someone who is presidential. he said you know, if i came out like that, you'd be bored, so he definitely wanted to entertain them. >> john avalon -- >> it's almost like a preacher. >> sorry to cut you off, april. >> -- on sunday morning. >> exactly, your entertainment value, i'm seeing all these tweets mostly from liberals or trump haters, trump skeptics shag we should not broadcast the rallies. john avalon do you have a reaction? >> of course you broadcast them. he's the president of the united states. ent do don't need to keep the open podium on every campaign but this is newsworthy.

he is a showman at part. he grafts p.t. barnum on to it. what is stun being the rallies, no question he gives a good rally and it's very entertaining t demeans the presidency in i had way that's pretty insidious. >> demeans the. thecy in. >> ultimately does because it's not a traveling medicine show. it's not a carnival barker position. it is reality with incredible life or death real world responsibility and simply having fun with it, and saying oh, i'm lonely playfully hating my enemies is a dangerous card that's been played throughout history with usually unwelcome results. salena describes the atmosphere not only a football game but a dead show. it's a tribal meeting at the end of the day, this is tribal politics and that could be affirming if you're in the tribe but that's not what presidents are supposed to do. they're supposed to unite the country, not appeal to identity politics, white identity politics he exacerbated and successfully surfed off of. >> let's look at another moment from the rally notable and

salena i love your reaction, from "meet the press" chuck todd took two parts, one when the presidents with talking about the meeting and the president talking about kim jong-un, smash them together and here's what todd had to say. >> a lot of bad people, a lot of fake media. look at them. lot of fake media. [ booing from audience ] fake, fake media. south korea came to my office, after having gone to north korea and seeing kim jong-un, and -- no, it's very positive. no. >> so the image of an american president encouraging boos of american press corps and discouraging boos of a dictator from north korea. >> it is quite a contrast, so i wonder, salena, when ir'there at the rally is it ever uncomfortable when the fake news media is being booed? >> it's part of the shtick. i don't think anybody felt unsafe when it happens.

i don't -- so it's hard to unpack in that it's part of his deal. it's sort of like the lo"lock h up." you can't lock her up anymore because he's not running against her so this is a continuation of reminding his voters that people are against him and he is there for them. and also, he speaks in such a stream of consciousness. >> right. >> you know, all these things are strung together, you know, people just keep clapping no matter what, and i was struck by this, and i wanted to make this point. attending trump rallies and attending obama rallies, i wonder what's going to happen after trump, in that when president obama smopoke it was

aspirational. he was so eloquent. he really was on a plot form at his own and trump is the opposite. what are we going to do next? i can't even imagine what fills the gap of these two men in, they're completely different, but you know, sort of historic way that they approached the presidency. >> right. april, i see you wanting to react. >> yes, i'm sorry, salena i totally disagree. this is not shtick. it's not comedy. this is real and it's dangerous. during the campaign, this president talked about kicking people out, beating them up. people did get beat up, and the problem is now, you know, when you make the press the enemy, which he has, there are people out here crazy enough to really feel that, and to act on it, and you know, some of my dear colleagues, who are going to some of these rallies, some of these rallies have been so

tense, they've been fearful for their safety at times, all the president has to say is act on it, and people will turn. this is someone who has the power of life and death in his tongue and in his pen and also the fact that people will turn on the press in a moment's notice. so this is not shtick. this is real for us, and we are covered by the founding fathers, these white men, who covered all of us not knowing that there would be social media or people like us covering the white house. so this is a dangerous game and this president vowed to uphold the constitution, and the free press is part of that, and he's going against his vow when he was inaugurated. so i take this seriously, and our friend chuck todd calling an "s.o.b." this is wrong. chuck is a stalwart, fact based and works hard at what he does. >> this is the tension that i think we're getting at, is it just comedy or is it very

serious? let's look at how chuck todd addressed this on "meet the press." he is steve mnuchin on. todd brought up this issue of vulgarity. >> many people, including myself, raised their kids to respect the office of the presidency and the president of the united states. when he used vulgarity to talk about individuals, what are they supposed to tell their kids? >> again, i'll be with my kids this morning and focused on them on what the president is doing to protect the united states, its citizens and more importantly -- >> don't worry about his values as a role model? >> i never said that whatsoever. obviously there were a lot of funny moments on that rally. >> yeah, they were hilarious. >> there it is in a nutshell, hilarious moments versus chuck todd being sarcastic about it. >> this gets to the heart of something, salena zito highlighted during the campaign, people taking it seriously but

not literally. this is what you hear from fans from the administration and others, don't listen to what he says. watch what he does and if you get worried about what he says you don't have a sense of humor, and the reason that's ultimately insidious is because the words of a president do matter, and if ultimately that riff attacking the press is about undermining institutions that exist to hold power to account, that's dangerous as well. fundamentally. >> sal ena thank you for being here. i recommend people check out other story on "the washington examiner" site all about the rally. john and april, stick around. we'll take a quick break and looking at something i think only "reliable sources" can get right, it's donald trump and the art of the tease. you can't predict the market, but through good times and bad at t. rowe price we've helped our investors

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looking at the white house what you see? i see chaos, an administration reeling from one crisis to the next. for example this week the stormy daniels scandal intensified, ga gary cohn the latest to exit the revolve door and the mueller investigation continues to expand with more and more members of trump's inner circle seemingly being involved. what do you do? you enter the disactor-in-chief, president trump using the skill

he knows best to try to shift the conversation to change the media coverage. look, we all know he understands the power of tv and that's been on display recently in the cabinet room. the white house set up these events for president trump, sometimes they are bipartisan meetings, other times they're cabinet meetings. these are scenes that are incredibly similar to a decade ago, when president then donald trump now president trump was hosting the reality show "the apprentice." it's uncanny when you view these side to side. remember the way president trump talked about it? >> welcome back to the studio. performance, some of them called it a performance. got great reviews. >> you know, he even talks about it that way. he cares deeply about ratings. he talked about the ratings again last night at the rally in pennsylvania and when trump is asked about policy decisions or political appointees, he seems to have perfected the art of the tease. >> i don't want to tell you

this, because i want to save the suspense. >> stay tuned. >> we'll have to see. >> i'll tell you about it over a short period of time. we'll find out. stay tuned. so was that a surprise? >> he's pretty good at that and now he's teasing his upcoming meeting with kim jong-un. he reveled in the surprise on thursday night, even his own aides didn't know what was happening, his press shop was basically kept in the dark and he tweeted about how the press was start recalled and stunned by the north korea announcement. we talk about with this david zurowick and john avalon and april ryan are back with me. david, did you sense a president as aides and picks leave and others leave, he's increasingly producing this all himself? >> well, look, he's a master at changing the narrative, because, and this is really important, and actually goes back to the first segment, let me say, god bless what april ryan said about taking this stuff seriously,

because this is where i'm going with this. my generation, trump's generation, television became the principal storyteller of american life. he is a creature of television. he understands the rhythms of it. he understands the way you craft narratives for it, but they are entertainment narratives, television tells entertainment narratives, and neil postman wrote a landmark book in 1985 called "amusing ourselves to death" and donald trump makes him the apotheosis of in a dark sense what he predicted we can no longer govern ourselves, we couldn't discern what was serious, what was citizenship and what was an entertainment narrative. we wanted to see entertainment and you know on your first panel, when they said oh, it's shtick or when mnuchin said it's funny, it's entertainment, that's what's going on in this

country, brian. he is an entertainer in a television sense. you said reality. i think it's more like the prime time soap an rahs of the '80s, like "dallas" and "dynasty" the vapis, must be-grabbing evil characters. he's j.r. ewing. i wrote this piece and the response was like ahh! how can you call him that? it's absolutely true. if you want proof think of mnuchin and his wife standing there with the dollar bill and her and the long leather gloves. that's who they are. but we're amusing ourselves to death, brian, and we lose our ability to function as rationally informed citizens every time we chuckle or smile at something he says. what he did at that rally, april, is so right. it's evil and the stuff he said about chuck todd is dangerous, but too many people are smiling at it, and even some are applauding. very dangerous.

>> what you're saying, david, it raises this question how journalists can avoid being part of the act, part of the entertainment. >> very much so. brian, i couldn't -- that's the great point. we have to stop doing it. you know, just as john and april said, no, no, no. this is not okay. we have to do it, because i think a lot of people in the public, it's like going to the mall on friday night and seeing a funny movie. look at what trump's doing today. no! trump is changing our lives for the worse. >> april, your reaction? >> well, you know, david's right. here's the bottom line. we had this conversation before, and when the president does this, people think we're the enemy. i was getting death threats because people are considering us the enemy. we are just doing our job and after that, an administration official goes on twitter and has a fight with me about the fact that i'm getting death threats, which is serious and calls me

miss piggy. whoop-de-doo. the bottom line we are doing our job and we are the piece the founding fathers put into this process. are there people out here that are crafting for a certain party? yes. but unfortunately now the onus is on the american public. you have to now look between fact and opinion, and that's the problem today, but i'm telling you, the vast majority of us that are in there like chuck todd, and i worked with him at the white house and those the vast majority in the press corps we are serious about what we do. it is sad when the president of the united states, sworn to uphold the values of the constitution to include the free press is undermining the free press. >> so i think we should make three points about this producer-in-chief strategy, one is that the president because he's always watching tv and reacting. you don't know which show he's watching but he's watching and look at the polls that, none reliable polls says he's at 50%.

they know they're lying when they say my atravel ratings are low. he says "turn off the show, fake news." he's watching and reacting in real time. >> he's talking about us. he's watching cnn. >> i don't know what he's watching but the second tweet -- >> he's watching cnn. >> john karl bumped into the president at the white house. here's what he said. "it's almost beyond that, hopefully you will give me credit." credit. i want to go back to that word credit, john avlon. the president is hoping he'll get the right amount of credit and a lot of actions come down to that. >> it does, there's the sense of victimhood which is so bizarre from the president of the united states. interest were tr the sense of agrievement that he wants more attention, he wants more credit. the fact that he's viewing his

presidency in almost real time through the lens of television, which is sort of the point, is a surreal twist. we know he's a creature of reality tv. we know he understands that the deeper divisions ma n media aren't media or liberal but conflict bias. he consciously plays to that. >> reality tv is scripted. when donald trump was on "the apprentice" he had producers shaping the show making him look great. now he doesn't have that producer anymore. >> no, he's trying to play that role of producer, he's basically showing his hand, talking about his performance and the studio. there are elements of it. the open bipartisan policy meetings, they have civic benefits. >> that's a good thing. applause on that point, this is not reality tv, this is pure reality, and all those words can't be separated from his actions, because his words have impact, to april's point, is there a single political journalist who doesn't get threats as a routine matter of course? it's part of the job description

now. that's a problem. that's a problem that has grown dramatically over the last few years. it is sad and we need to not normalize that. it's one more thing and the constitution doesn't mention political parties. it mentioned the free press. we are here folks and our job is to hold power to account and that requires there's tension but there should also be a degree of mutual report. >> appreciate you all being here. david, stick around for later. one more note on this, you can read about it reliablesources.com, while trump went from tv to the presidency, barack obama is going in the on opposite direction, from the president to tv, to appear in multiple shows. that says it all about america and its relationship with television. we'll be right back here with one of the reporters that broke the stormy daniels story wide open. we'll find out what he's reporting next right after a quick break.

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>> did the president approve the payment that his personal lawyer made to stormy daniels? >> not that i'm aware of but michael cohen addressed this, sarah addressed it earlier and i have nothing further to add. >> basically he said i don't know. and the president himself ignored a question about this yesterday. >> reporter: mr. president, did you have a relationship with a woman named stormy daniels? >> now we may hear more of her side of the story in the weeks to come because anderson cooper recently taped an interview with stormy daniels and her lawyer for cbs's "60 minutes." the interview doesn't have an air date yet but there's a lot we already do know, and that's thanks to my next guest. michael rothfeld is a report every of "the wall street journal" part of the team that broke the daniels payoff story in january. great to see you.. >> thanks, brian. >> you had reported before election day that "good morning

america" and other news outlets were pursuing an interview, we didn't know quite why. in january you reported the payoff story. how were you able to nail that story down? >> well, we had initially before the election reported that the american media which owns t"the national enquirer" caid karen mcduringal to not speak about her alleged affair and stormy daniels was considering talking but didn't. we considered who might have paid her after the election and last year my colleague said we have to find out who paid stormy so we kept asking around, poking around and eventually heard michael cohen had been the one to pay her and we needed to nail that down and scrapped over the last few months to be able to figure it out. >> so that story and the follow-up story is now they were partly dependent on anonymous or confidential sources meaning you knew who they were but we don't know who they are. was that important?

>> when we first published the story a lot of readers complained about. they said it's fake news. you don't have documents and we actually had found an llc michael cohen created. we did not report that in the initial story but we knew that it existed but the anonymous sources that we used, and we had to be confident before, because we don't like to use anonymous sources ideally but we had a number of them that corroborated each other, and without them, we wouldn't have been able to find out about this, just like a lot of big stories, watergate, people relied on anonymous sources and if they don't talk, then we don't find out. >> it seems to me your story broke in january and you had several more stories we are gradually seeing the coverage of the scandal and the interest in this rise and rise and rise. why do you think that is? why has it been a gradual increase? >> several things have fueled it. one is the introduction of complaints to the federal election commission, and you know, the possibility of an investigation, and another thing is the fact that there's been a

little bit of stonewalling. the white house has tried to kind of. u push this on to michael cohen donald trump's lawyer. the more they haven't answered questions, we still don't know whether cohen was reimbursed, then it has continued to linger. >> and now, the lawsuit has really made this a top story around the world. you know, you were telling me off camera, for you all, the journalist was not about sex, it was about money. for this story although it's salacious and some people are curious, it's a financial story. >> that's right. whether donald trump slept with a porn star or anybody else isn't something we would generally consider newsworthy but trying to cover up an affair before the election is an important story and where the money came from, all the facts surrounding that is definitely what we're interested in. >> you mentioned watergate and this is a classic follow the money story. michael great to see you. thanks for being here. >> good seeing you. after a quick break this has been described as a tv meltdown. i'm sure you saw it but sam

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course, at the end of the week he cooperated and we should get into that. first back in time earlier in the week when nunberg went on the notorious tv tour. he gave more than a dozen interviews, many of them on television, starting with k.d. turr on msnbc, gloria borger and jake tapper. he got legal advice on ari melber's show, erin burnett said she smelled alcohol on his breath. the next day he changed his tune. nunberg said he would cooperate and that's what he did on friday. he testified to the grand jury just the latest former trump aide to talk with robert mueller's investigators. what's notable now is that he says this is not a witch hunt. here's what he told abc's tara palmieri. >> i melted tv down that day. i wanted to show what this independent council, this independent investigation does to people like me. >> do you think it's a witch hunt? >> no, i don't think.

there's a lot there there and that's the sad truth. i don't believe it leads to the president. >> let's bring back david zurowik of "the baltimore sun." there was a lot of criticism of television networks putting nunberg on the air especially with the suggestion he might have been drunk or drugged. how did you view this? >> brian, there's no reason not to put him on tv. i thought tv -- >> if he's drunk? >> look, you know what he said ta erin burnett which was an incredible moment in television and i thought she handled it really, really well and looked like he may have lied to her. i don't know, i wasn't there. here's why it belonged on tv, brian, because ultimately this is about the rule of law and the contempt many members of the trump administration, the people he surrounds himself seem to have for this. look, this guy is subpoenaed. grand jury, special prosecutor, think he has some relevant information. what's his response? screw that. that deserves to be on

television, and be exposed. also, this guy is praising roger stone as his mentor. roger stone, you go back to roy kohn, joe mccarthy, richard nix on to donald trump that's the line of this politics. it's not gaining system as the obama people talked about, this is flaunting the system and we need to see it. we also needed to see the pitiful people he has around him. >> i did think we learned some things about the mueller probe through nunberg's claims. not all of his claims may check out but we did learn, again, mueller knows a lot more than we do and he's interviewing a lot of people. let me move on to the magazine the "science" magazine cover story, it's a fake news study. what the researchers at the mit did is looked at stories that have been fact checked and found the stories that had been fact checked and proven false spread virally more quickly on twitter

than the stories proven to be true. the idea of fake news traveling faster than real news. what do you think newsrooms should be doing to cope with this problem? >> well i think one of the big responsibilities are the social media platforms. they have to do something for one thing. i think as newsrooms, brian, the responsible newsrooms are doing everything we can to do to deal with it. i think media critics like us have to make it a major part of our agenda to deal with. you know, i'm always a little suspicious as a researcher myself of studies that find something that confirms conventional wisdom so cleanly. a lie can get half way around the world before truth put its boots on. i looked at this and i read the full report and i think they did a really good job and i think we need to take this seriously, because this is only going to get worse. we also need, they did quantitative research. we need some qualitative

research to get into why people are following this. they have a theory, a hypothesis, but they didn't really go there. that was just their conclusion. important study. we know all of us here in the media, this is one of the most important stories of our times, and in 2018 and 2020, it's going to be huge partially because our government is doing nothing about people using social media to influence our politics. >> right, because the president keeps using the term fake news the wrong way, he used it against maggie haberman this morning which made no sense. shout out to sunshine week for viewers who haven't heard it's a nationwide effort by organizations and newsrooms to encourage transparency in government, to encourage open access to information and david, you said this is one of the most important weeks, why? >> brian, you know, i think many in the public, many people in public don't even know how much information is kept from them. in my career, the most astonishing thing to me is how hard it is to get information,

how hard you have to push and how much the forces of secrecy and darkness in government especially are always at work. we had a case in baltimore just last week where names of police officers arresting police officers in law enforcement people were taken out of a case search file by the state judiciary, so you couldn't track how police officers behave, which was an incredibly important thing, given this gun trace task force, elite squad scandal we had in baltimore, where you could trace it by that. one reporter at the "bamt more sun" and of course the whole "sun" newsroom we pushed and within a week those names were back, but the judiciary, the state judiciary took it upon themselves to take those names out. unbelievable! that goes on constantly. look at the school boards that flate secrecy and you find out the school superintendent was taking bribes and pleading guilty perjury as we just found out in baltimore county.

secrecy is everywhere and i'll tell you what, with this trump administration model i think it's getting worse and we have to push harder and we have fewer resources in a lot of newsrooms to do it, brian. you know that. >> and that's what sunshine week is about. >> yes. >> all the different markets trying to encourage more access to information. david, great to see you. thanks for being here. >> thank you, brian. after the break, why is tucker carlsson counter-programming women's history month? ♪ [upbeat music] you wouldn't feel good not knowing the price here. don't let it happen when you buy your diabetes test strips. with the accu-chek® guide simplepay program, you pay the same low price. all without having to go through insurance. plus, they come in a spill-resistant vial along with a free meter. skip the guessing game and focus on your health. not the cost. make saving simple today at simplepaysaves.com. going somewhere? whoooo. here's some advice.

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hey, welcome back. on this women's history month, "the new york times" is trying to make a change with a project called "overlooked." it's a project that highlights influential women who never got an obit in the paper when they passed away. you can see this in print today. it's also on the website. i want to talk about it and also some of the other reactions to women's history month with jessica bennett.

she's the gender editor for "the new york times." jessica, how did this project come about? >> so we decided to look back at our 167-year history to see how many women actually received obituaries in "the new york times." and so we've pulled all of the data and what we found is that it was actually between 15 and 20% female over time. and even in the past few years, only about one in five of our opitch yabictuaries have featur. so we wanted to correct the record. we wanted to write obituaries for some of these women who didn't get them but should have. so the list spans people that you have heard of, like ida b. wells, a suffragette. charlotte bronte, who wrote "jane eyre." amazing that these women didn't get obituaries. and some women that you haven't heard of, she helped complete construction of the brooklyn bridge when her engineer husband fell ill. so by focusing attention on

this, we wanted to highlight these women who didn't get credit at the time and try to make a commitment to doing better going forward. >> two other headlines stand out to me. i don't think this was a coincidentally timed project. y'all wanted to launch it during this month. at the same time, we're seeing more attention on the systemic inequities in newsrooms for women. you look at many of the stories about this me too movement in the last six months have been about newsrooms, harassment in newsrooms. and then there's this reaction from conservative media that i have to ask you about. tucker carlson over on fox is doing a special series nothis month called "men in america." look, i think that would be great in april, but don't you think he's trying to troll people by doing it in march? >> i had to ask your producers when they called me if they were, in fact, trolling me. >> we're not joking. he's doing it all month. >> and tucker carlson is not wrong that men to some extent

are in crisis. they do have higher rates of suicide. women are graduating in higher numbers from college and we are going on to receive more degrees. but men go on to enter their first jobs out of college and make 20% more salary, on average. something that tucker has completely dismissed. and they're entering into a world where men still run things. they probably don't have to face sexual harassment. they don't have to claim #metoo. and so the idea that, you know, that men need more attention, i think maybe misses the point. >> i think it would be wonderful if he did "men in america," and then "women in america" too. my issue is with these media silos where we only hear one side of the stories. >> the reality is it's not a zero sum equation. we can talk about women and men. and talking about men and masculinity in the larger context of the me too movement is really important. how do we think about masculinity, how are men responding and reacting? but, you know, to do it during women's history month and then not acknowledge it as such, you know, a little bit trolley.

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