and hopefully the other piece happens. and so when you think of content -- great story telling is what's important. >> it's unclear how apple will integrate the service or what it means for apple news. they look to beef up music streaming and mobile payments. thanks for joining us. >> enjoy the snow out there in boston. "new day" starts right now. we'll see you tomorrow. tell me the strongest piece of evidence that supports collusion because there just isn't. >> they claim there's no collusion, there's no collusion. they never once looked for collusion. >> they were trying to help trump at some point. they were also trying to hurt our side. >> i don't agree. they were attracted to him because they thought he would be much better for them. ♪ >> it is highly likely that russia was responsible. >> the attack was reckless, indiscriminate and

irresponsible. >> rex tillerson came out condemning russia. that has not at all been met by the white house. >> a loud boom. it shook the windows. >> there was a pool of blood everywhere. >> this is the third over the past ten days. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> this is your "new day" tuesday march 13th, 6:00 a.m. in new york. alison is on assignment. erica hill joining me. good to have you. the house intelligence committee abruptly ending its russia investigation. now the probe has been assailed as a partisan mess for some time, but now the republicans have gone all in attempting to clear trump, breaking with the u.s. intelligence community and announcing that vladimir putin did not try to help donald trump win when russia interfered in the 2016 u.s. election. the gop report insists there was no collusion between the trump campaign and the kremlin.

democrats on the committee objecting to the gop's findings and slamming their decision to end the house probe. let's be abundantly clear, this report is partisan. it's a political document that was immediately parroted by the president to prove his innocence. the only type of interference will come from special counsel bob mueller. secretary of state rex tillerson going farther than the white house saying he is outraged. saying it clearly came from russia. it is a big day in pennsylvania. high stakes special election there today. the battle for a house seat widely seen as a referendum of donald trump's presidency. all of this as the president heads to california to check out prototypes for his border wall. let's begin our coverage with abby phillip live at the white house. abby? >> reporter: good morning, erica. president trump is waking up

this morning with some reason to be happy after republicans have suddenly closed their investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election and made some conclusions that echo his view that russia did not try to help him. now 150-page draft report from the republicans will be shown to democrats on that committee as soon as today. >> reporter: republicans on the house intelligence committee abruptly ending their russia probe without telling democrats. announcing that they have found no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russia to sway the 2016 election. >> you never know what you never know, but we found no reason to think that there's something we're missing in this regard. we've talked to everybody we believe we need to talk to. >> reporter: president trump touting the announcement in all caps on twitter, but democrats insisting that the investigation was incomplete and that a number of witnesses and documents still need to be subpoenaed. >> they would ask, you know, very conclusive questions like, did you conspire? did you conclude?

and if they said no, the republicans were content to leave it at that. that's not conducting an investigation. that's going through the motions. so the fundamental problem from the beginning was that my colleagues viewed their job as protecting their client, the president, rather than getting to the truth. >> reporter: republican tom rooney lamenting that the partisan infighting has gone off the rails. >> we lost all credibility and we're going to issue probably two different reports. >> reporter: the house gop report breaks with the intelligence community's conclusion that russia meddled in the 2016 election to help president trump. >> we're just going to have to show the people they were wrong on this. they just misinterpreted some very key intelligence and drew the wrong conclusions. >> reporter: a spokesman for the director of national intelligence declaring that the agency's stand by their assessment and will review the findings of republicans. >> starting with personal an mouse that president putin had for hillary clinton, they wanted to do everything they could to

hurt her. then when things got serious was then candidate trump, particularly when he became the nominee, they were attracted to him because they thought he would be much better for them. >> reporter: as the house intelligence committee's probe comes to a close, special counsel's robert mueller's investigation is gaining steam. deputy attorney general rod rosenstein defending mueller's probe, telling "usa today" the special counsel is not an unguided missile. i don't believe there's any justification at this point for terminating the special counsel. meanwhile, the white house stopping short of blaming vladimir putin for the poisoning of a former russian spy and his daughter in the uk last week. shortly after british prime minister theresa may said it was highly likely. >> the use of a highly lethal nerve agent against uk citizens on uk soil is an outraj. the attack was reckless, indiscriminate and irresponsible. >> reporter: hours later rex

tillerson going further declaring we have full confidence in the uk's investigation and its assessment that russia was likely responsible. >> now while tillerson has said that the russian actions in the uk will likely trigger a response, it's still really unclear why the white house was not willing to go that far. meanwhile, president trump is headed to california today, his first trip there as president and he'll be touring some border wall prototypes amid some legal battles with the state over sanctuary cities. the president will meet with service members at the end of that visit. erica? >> abby, thank you very much. joining us now is john avlon and kerry cordera. politically, you can't be that surprised that this is where they were going to come out. from the beginning, it's been set up to find reasons to defend trump with the democrats in decent but without any power. >> yeah. surprised? no.

outraged? yes. for the reason that this should be something from the get-go that's bigger than partisanship, but in the house committee it's never been. they've been back channelling to the white house. they've been digging up dirt on democrats. and they haven't found a way to come together. i don't mind that they say there's no collusion as much as to say that there's no evidence that trump wanted to back -- that putin wanted to back trump in the election. that's an insult to the intelligence community match that belies all the facts that come to bare. that shows there's a willful blindness in place because of the partisanship. so we're back to the senate investigation with far more bipartisan credibility than the mueller investigation. rooney is right they lost all credibility but that's a sham and a shame. >> you talk about what we have left. senate is left. the defining voice on this and the findings will be the mueller investigation, but in some ways to john's point, kerry, was there ever really a question that what we would learn from

the house intel committee would be anything but bipartisan -- but partisan rather? >> so the past years investigation that the house has conducted, if we even want to call it that, has been completely partisan as john says. and this is such a shame for this committee because you know the intelligence committees historically have played a very different role than other committees in congress. they have the trust normally of the intelligence community that they will have access to classified information and handle it properly. they generally conduct themselves in a more bipartisan manner because they're dealing with national security issues. so the intel committees have always been just sort of a cut above when it comes to partisanship. what's happened on the house intelligence committee for the past year really prejudged whatever report that came out. and the shame of that is that to the extent that there are any useful recommendations, for example, on election security, on working with our partners in

europe on the same threats that they're facing with russian interference. it just -- they will not have any credibility because of the process through which the house has used. >> i mean, look, you can't be surprised right now whether anything could be dealt with in a bipartisan manner there, especially if it's kpis ten shall to the sitting administration. it doesn't make sense. i know it's supposed to work that way, but i don't know when we've seen it in a long time, by the way, where you saw real bipartisan look at something they came hard on one side and both sides were together on that condemnation. i don't remember it. this one started off with nunez going to the white house. >> yeah. >> to basically collaborate with them on what information could come out to help their case. >> yeah. >> what else did you need to know? >> more recently a member of the republican staff digging up dirt on senator warner and leaking it to a news agency. >> nunez was able to come back after stepping back even into the same investigation.

>> look, there's the benghazi investigation which was similarly hyperpartisan but something fundamentally less impactful to the american trajectory. you can say, you know what, we left that place a long time ago. but at least the senate investigation is trying to work bipartisan. this is something that is bigger than partisanship, people. this is about a foreign power meddling in our election. again, you can look at the evidence and you may not be a place of collusion versus complicity, that's a great debate. there will be partisan impacts on what people believe on that. but for them to go as far as to say they don't believe putin wanted trump to win based on all the evidence overruling the intelligence community, overruling the evidence that's self evidently in their face, that just shows what a sham this has become. >> how much of this, too, is about undermining robert mueller and how much of that will we see

moving forward in perhaps from more tweets from the president or wherever it's going to come from? >> well, i think it's pretty obvious based on what happened last night with the house majority releasing some talking points about what their conclusions were going to be and then very quickly within minutes or an hour the president tweeting, it looks pretty clear that they are coordinating in some way, so that he was expecting these results and that their investigation was intended to reaffirm what his narrative is about the russia investigation. the special counsel's investigation will go on its own track, and the special counsel has different investigative authorities, doesn't have to take witnesses who just say well i think i won't talk to you as the house majority apparently did. some witnesses had more flexibility about whether they would answer questions or not. the special counsel is not going to go down that path. they will use investigative authorities that they have.

they will demand witnesses to appear when they need to. and so the result will be different. but they also are looking at a different aspect. they're looking at potential criminal violations, which will reveal itself in a different way than a report that comes from a congressional committee which is supposed to lay out a narrative that gets at actually what happened across the entire event. >> of course mueller has a grand jury, you know, which is an objective mechanism that we don't have in any of these political investigations. of course, we do see here that this is part of the white house pressure, carrie to start bringing this to an end. it was easy to get the house to follow their orders. the senate is supposed to come out in a few week. you have to assume there's some relationship between those two decisions. then we heard that the white house is trying to negotiate as part of a sitdown with mueller a fine-point end to the mueller investigation. have you ever heard of that happening, by the way, in a probe like the one mueller is doing where if you sit down, we'll promise you that we end

the probe at a certain date? >> no. that doesn't happen. so, the investigators will take their investigation where it goes and they are going to stay within the parameters of the regulations, but they are going to -- there's so many different aspects of that investigation. there is a money piece. there is the dnc hacking piece. there is the russian influence we already saw the indictment of russian nationals and russian entities for using social media and other mechanisms to try to influence u.s. political opinion. there's the potential obstruction angle. so there's so many different angles of that investigation that it's hard to believe that there's a circumstance where one interview is going to end it all. >> and i would also point out, too, based on what we've seen and been written about as well, it would seem like the mueller investigation is only ramping up and getting broader as everything else is winding down. reporting from our own pamela brown, a source close to

the president has said he's been asking about what he should do in terms of stormy daniels. and basically the line from the white house is stay quiet or from the source i should say because there's concern, john, this could a larger impact on the president than the russia investigation. >> well, look, it's subjectively not as big as the russia investigation. to be clear, this isn't about sex. it's about money. it's about campaign finances. it's about trying to hush someone up right before an election in a way that could be determinetive. it may have a bigger impact on his personal life than the russian investigation, may. but it's sorted and it's the kind of thing that sticks on the cover supermarket tabloids if they weren't in the pocket of the president to begin with. this is actually not going away either. and they've put themselves in a corner. they can't really talk about it. they're in a bit of a double block. and so, you know, the answer to the president, what should i do about this? go back in time and don't do it. >> you know what's impressive about the situation, he hasn't

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♪ secretary of state rex tillerson going farther than the white house, condemning russia for a nerve agent attack on a former russian spy in britain. tillerson saying there is never a justification for this type of attack. the attempted murder of a private citizen on the soil of a sovereign nation, and we are outraged that russia appears -- >> uk citizens on uk soil is an outrage. the attack was reckless, indiscriminate and irresponsible. we offer the fullest condemnation and extend our sympathy to the victims and their families and our support to the uk government. we stand by our closest ally in the special relationship that we have. >> so you're not saying that russia was behind this act? >> right now we are standing with our uk ally. i think they're still working through even some of the details

of that and we're going to continue to work with the uk and we certainly stand with them throughout this process. >> i gesds she didn't hear theresa may say it was russia. we have to go to the u.n. it was russia. it was russia. >> those details were pretty clear. let's bring back john avlon and a a.b. stod dard. why is it so difficult for this white house to say russia? >> just watching sarah say that was so painful and her written remarks was that the attack was irresponsible, reckless and discriminate. why is sarah sanders being asked to say things this way? it was extremely painful to watch. it's so obvious at this point i don't know why the trump white house just doesn't throw a few condemning adjectives out now and then and actually own up to this to make the conversation go away? everyone spoke yesterday about the fact that they didn't do it and that rex tillerson went out,

you know, as a free agent, which is often the case, secretaries, cabinet secretaries, secretary of state in this administration have other policy positions than we hear from the west wing. that is reckless and irresponsible. but this is just really i just think so politically painful for the administration i don't know why they continue to do this. >> well, they continue to do it because she's being given talking points that specifically say don't mention russia. >> she's under russia. >> this has a hostage video quality. she's reading this very carefully and the geopolitical equivalent of thoughts and prayers. we stand by our al lice but we're not going to name the problem. the problem in this case as theresa may made clear is russia. say it from the podium. the secretary of state can say it. why is the press secretary being put forward with explicit orders not to name russia?

>> is it simple politics where the president says he can't give it to us? he can't go after russia because it will expose he hasn't been going after russia. that's what people around him are suggesting to me. you guys have made russia a no-go zone for russia. now if he acknowledges russia -- >> the way to shut it off is to condemn and disavow the actions of putin government from the briefing room or from his twitter account, if he wants to. the way to stop the narrative that the only person in the world he's ever consistently nice to is vladimir putin is to be critical, like theresa may was. >> this president does not have a difficult time switching when it comes to where he stands. >> nope. >> no! in this case to a.b.'s point, it would be a smart thing. this guy is a master of deflection and distraction. that wouldn't necessarily may the core problem go away, but it wouldn't keep highlighting the problem. >> what is it? why doesn't he do it? this was a no brainer. they poisoned people.

>> theresa may, our closest ally -- >> and rex tillerson. >> creates the washington gaffe and tells the truth about this is very clear about this. the white house press secretary is under orders not to address the issue directly. why is the only one that donald trump won't take a shot at vladimir putin? >> well, we have the right question. no answers. >> no answers. >> 7:00 this morning the polls open in pennsylvania. we do see some nice political cover going on on both sides. the democrats put money into this. that was actually surprised. seems like it paid off in terms of making it closer. we'll see if they can get anything done with conor lamb. the republicans are saying all kinds of things about the registration here is very democratic. the 18th district is very republican. how big a deal is this today? >> oh, it's a big deal. republicans are very scared about a loss or a near miss. the fact that conor lamb could

come close even if he doesn't win and rick saccone only grabs a district that trump won by 20 points or 20 1/2, if he gets it by 1 or 2, that's going to ignite a huge discussion about what's going on. and conor lamb has really played kind of -- he went to perfect candidate school. he has the support of unions. he doesn't talk about being a democrat. he doesn't bust on president trump. he really is huing to the line of that district enough, not on every position, but highlighting their -- what unifies them. the minors endorsement. rick saccone is drowning. he is not only a bad candidate but he has in conor lamb someone who is a centrist and is going to be very hard to win that district, even with the registration advantage, it's just definitely a conservative district, but this is making republicans incredibly nervous. >> yesterday the state gop chair

was confronted with some polling that showed lamb around 6 ahead. oh, it's a democratic district. again, put aside registration. look at the voting patterns. not only plus 20 for trump but 18 for romney, voted for mccain. this is a suburban conservative district south of pittsburgh. so this is really a fascinating bell weather of a bellweather state. if democrats can continue their run into this part of trump country, that's significant. now, it's also one of these circumstances where if the vote goes .5 in either direction, the votes will be over -- >> meaning what? >> conor lamb wins by .5, democratic blue wave here we come. loses by .5, democrats can't get it done when it counts. so, you want to be careful. the point is that the gap that's closed indicates a real problem. almost $12 million spent in a district that republicans shouldn't be fighting tooth and nail to keep. >> that won't exist at the end of the year. i would argue that, a, i think

rick saccone can pull it out. if he just pulls it out is still a win for the democrats, scares the republicans. this guy murphy didn't have an opponent for the last two cycles. >> right, right. good point. a.b., thank you very much, john avlon. people in austin, texas, on edge this morning after three package bombings killed two people and now police want to know if the victims were targeted. a live update next. how do you win at business? stay at la quinta. where we're changing with stylish make-overs.

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for a possible serial bomber in austin, texas. they have linked three package bombs that killed two people. two of the explosions happening on monday. the city hosts the wildly popular south by southwest festival. >> reporter: good morning, erica. that's right. three bomb attacks in just ten days and an unknown suspect still at large. now, police do not believe that this is in any way connected to the south by southwest festival. they're recommending individual lens and not panic. now the first attack was march 2nd. the 39-year-old african-american man saw a package on his front porch early one morning. picked it up, it exploded and he died of his injuries within an hour of that blast. then, as you say, yesterday morning again very early in the morning a 17-year-old high school student saw a package on his porch. he brought it into the house. he tried to open it in the kitchen. it exploded killing him almost instantly and injuries another

woman. she is expected to survive. now just as the police were giving these details out to the public, a couple hours later, lunchtime yesterday, a third attack on this street behind me, 75-year-old hispanic woman picked up a package on her porch. it exploded. she is in stable but critical condition. now, the m.o. in all of these attacks very similar. police believe that both packages hand delivered overnight and not delivered by the u.s. postal service or any other delivery service, hand delivered overnight. they are looking for a cctv camera footage to see who may have delivered them. they also say two of the victims knew each other. the stepfather and the grandfather knew each other. that's a connection. they are now looking into. chris? >> bizarre, the use of those kinds of explosives to deal with something that may be a familiarity crime. nick watt, good to see you brother. we worked together for a long time at abc news. welcome to the cnn family.

thanks for being on this story. >> thanks chris. more than 44 million people in the path once again a nor'easter, the third in just ten days. now, if you live in southeastern massachusetts right around there, you're getting heavy snow right now. part of that state is actually under a blizzard warning. some spots might see 12 inches or more. cnn meteorologist chad meyers has the forecast. for us so far it's not sticking. looks like snow but hitting the ground like rain. >> that's exactly right. i was there a couple days ago. i was on the 25th floor of the hotel. it was snowing where i was. i went down to the surface, down to the streets and it was rain down there. same kind of thing happening right now in manhattan, but it gets colder for you and will start to stick later today. we're already seeing it sticking in boston. blizzard warnings in effect for the red zones here all along the coasts. gusts of 50 or 60 miles per hour and very heavy snowfall. >> it's already snowing hard right now. all of long island going to get

more snow than new york city proper and all of boston, massachusetts, right into worchester and new hampshire all going to get very heavy snow. 1:00 p.m. still snowing. 6:00 p.m. in boston still snowing. even for portland and all the up into parts of maine, later on tonight, still snowing. new york will not get to you that late, but this is going to pile up everywhere that's pink, erica, everywhere will see 12 inches or more, many spots can pick up 18 inches or more. the farther you get to the east on long island, the heavier that snow will be. montauk could pick up a foot. on the beach, that's a pretty big story. >> this is a rough couple of weeks. chad, thank you. >> yeah, i know. republicans on the house intel committee breaking with the intelligence community on whether putin tried to help donald trump win. has the congressional committee lost its credibility? we discuss with the former chairman of the house intel committee next.

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♪ republicans on the house intelligence committee abruptly ending their russia investigation without consulting democrats. the gop members breaking with

the intelligence community and claiming that russia was not trying to help donald trump win the 2016 election. republican member of the committee criticizing his peers. listen to this republican. >> we've gone completely off the rails and now we're just basically a political forum for people to leak information to drive the day's news. so we've -- as you eluded to, we lost all credibility and we're going to issue probably two different reports unfortunately. >> joining us now is mike rogers, cnn national security commentator and former gop congressman who chaired the house intel committee. is the congressman making a point? is their credibility shot? >> you don't think it's case closed, chris? come on. i'm a little worried about this. when you have a sitting member of the committee who comes out and says, hey, this has become the leaking committee to advance a political agenda from both parties unfortunately. i worry about this. and unfortunately even if there's some good things in this report, i don't know if there is

or not, but now it would be hard-pressed to believe them. it look like a partisan document. it's been handled like a partisan document and been released like a partisan document. i think that does speak to the credibility of the committee's ability to do hard investigations on serious matters. >> what do you make of the assertion of one of the republicans on the committee that the intelligence community just got it wrong, they misinterpreted data and that's how they came up with the conclusion that russian interference was geared towards helping trump. do you buy that that this committee would know better than the intelligence committee? >> boy, that would be a tough one for me and i'll tell you why. so all of that documentation is there. the underlying classified material for the intelligence community to come to that conclusion would be available to the committee if they sought it out. i hope they did. and then for them to have a different conclusion, there better be a lot in that 150-page report to show why that conclusion was wrong. you're not talking about one

agency or one analyst. you're talking about a collective body of work from all the intelligence sources. so they used signals intelligence, human intelligence and analysts from different agencies to come to that conclusion. so, there's a big -- that to me is a big hurdle to get over if you're going to claim that that collective body of intent, which they stated clearly is wrong, then you've got a pretty big hurdle to get over that. and again, the fact that they won't even give the report to the other party before they read it to vote on it, it just doesn't seem right. when you're talking about something as serious as the russians interfering with our election. and by the way, think about what they were doing, chris. this is why we should be so angry about this. they were trying to pit muslims against christians, the russians were. they were trying to pit black activist groups against white supremacist groups and these are the russians doing this, in an election season to try to drive a wedge between americans. and if that doesn't get people's

hair on the back of your neck up and get you angry, i'm not sure what will. and this report seems to water those kinds of things down. and that's what worries me most. >> well, there seems to be some thematic consistency here when it comes to mitigating the russia effect, whether it's the house intel committee -- and let's be honest. ever since nunez went up to the white house to kind of collaborate with them, the credibility there was in question. and now you have this right out of a spy novel caper involving these uk citizens. theresa may says they believe that it was russia or russia losing control over its chemical weapons, but our white house very mild. doesn't even say the word russia when dealing with the event. how do you explain that? >> well, i don't. i don't know. i'm not sure. >> you must, mike. you must make sense of it. >> i will say in the old days remember the old days of a presidency when your secretary of state came out and kicked somebody right in the choppers. that was a big deal, right? that spoke for the administration. and just the fact that we're

having a conversation, did that really speak for the administration or is trump thinking in a different place is probably not a great thing when you have your secretaries who work for the president coming out that strongly, that should mean that the trump administration takes that position. we'll see today. i hope they correct this today. and listen, this is not -- this is a pattern with putin. so it's not just people who have spoken out against him. it's people who were with him and then aren't with him. those are the ones he seems to target for death. he's got about ten of these in his portfolio now. unfortunately when they found -- probably found the location of this particular former russian spy and put an operation in place to do this, this is not unusual unfortunately for the russians. you know, there's a lot of things that we're going to have to do as a nation to join the united kingdom in pushing back, including in cyberspace and maybe some sanctions and maybe some other geopolitical efforts we undertake including in kbru

cra ukraine that helps push back on putin. >> that's the weird part. we have a president who is spoiling for a fight. he doesn't spare anybody his criticism except vladimir putin. mike rogers, can't ask for a better guest than you on this story. thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks, chris. erica? >> what makes him an authority on gun violence? details in the bleacher report next on steve kerr. >> announcer: closed captioning brought to you by --

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golden state warrior's head coach steve kerr using his high profile to address an issue that is close to his heart -- gun violence. coy wire has more in the bleacher report. what is this about for the coach? >> hi, chris. steve kerr has been outspoken for his desire of increased gun control in the past. his dad was working as the university of a president in beirut when he was gunned down when kerr was 18 years old.

last night kerr held a town hall on gun control in california and he plans to attend the march for our lives demonstration in san francisco 11 days from now. it was created by kids from stoneman douglas and he said their push for solutions for gun violence are heart breaking and inspiring all at once. >> i'm here because i'm a citizen of this country and we're a democracy. and when people say stick to sports, stick to coaching, whatever, that means nothing. we all have a voice. >> kerr told the students that they should register to vote and make gun violence their number one issue. air karks he compared that which the stoneman students are doing to the anti-war movement in vietnam. >> coy, thank you. >> betsy devos's "60 minutes" interview, continuing to cause alarm in the white house. a former ethics chief says why

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♪ two sources tell cnn white house officials were alarmed by betsy devos's recent "60 minutes" interview. he struggled to answer basic questions about schools in her home state. >> have the public schools in michigan gotten better? >> i don't know overall. i can't say overall that they have all gotten better. >> have you seen the really bad school maybe try to figure out what they're doing? >> i have not. i have not intentionally visited schools that are underperforming. >> maybe you should. >> maybe i should, yes. >> let's discuss now with cnn contributor the former director for the office of government ethics. it was a tough one to watch in all honesty and put out again for more interviews yesterday and the white house we're told was unhappy with her performance. betsy devos tweeting yesterday in her view missing from the "60 minutes" interview students are

doing two times better than their peers. the reforms are helping. there's so much more to do. we have to help all students be prepared for strong future. >> certainly her press people could have helped her. this was kind of a startling bad interview, but if you had seen her confirmation hearing, that didn't go a whole lot better. i think, you know, i've worked with nominees for years and years. and i think it really my experiences have been consistent with the old saying that personnel is policy. and this administration seems to have in many ways declared war on expertise and denigrated experts, including career civil servants calling them the deep stay because they don't trust them. what it really reflects is a suspicion of people who are expert. betsy devos's primary expertise seems to be in being a rich

person who didn't attend public schools she is overseeing and didn't send her kids to public schools. i think when your criteria for hiring somebody is that they were a major campaign donor instead of they are a noted figure in a field, it shouldn't be surprising when you have a result like this. and her comments about one of the things she said is she couldn't comment on trends or statistics because each student is an individual. well, that is an anti-intellectual idea coming from the head of the department of education because it's almost like she's saying you can't study education. you can't study whether it's possible to make school systems in the aggregate better. >> does it surprise you? you reference her confirmation hearings. we're on the point where she's been on the job long enough. how much does it surprise you that these are the talking points she's putting out there and this is her familiarity with the subject matter for the department that she oversees? >> well, you know, there's a good government group called

american oversight filed a bunch of freedom of information act requests and one of the thing that is a found is she doesn't show up to work a whole lot. this is an individual who frequently leaves work on a thursday and comes back on a tuesday. so there's -- >> i mean this very seriously, could she be working on home from those friday or mondays wherever she may be. >> it's entirely possible, but for the most part, cabinet secretaries should be meeting with people. and they should be going out to view the things they're overseeing. and you heard her on tv saying, she hasn't focussed on looking at the schools that need the most help. so it really is disturbing because it's just sort of an entire trend of not focussing on the subject matter and coming in with one preconceived idea that in her case that idea happens to be, well, everybody should have more school choice. well, it's such a facile understanding. if you believe that policy, fine. but come armed with statistics and talking points that can justify that viewpoint. >> she, of course, is not the only cabinet member who is under

scrutiny. i mean, we have four just recently that we can put on the screen and talk about here in terms of ethics concerns and being scolded. >> yeah. >> where does all of that go from here, though? yes, we know this has happened. yes, they've been summoned and scolded, but does anything come out of that? >> well, i'm going to go ahead and call this one right now. where it goes from here is downhill and it gets worse. and that's because of the tone setting from the top. you know, there was a report that the white house scolded these individuals, as you said. well, i'm not sure the white house is in any position to scold anyone, least of all their own cabinet who are following the president's example. you have last week the office of special counsel, which is not related to robert mueller. that's a separate agency, issued findings on complaints that i and my group filed saying that kellyanne conway had violated the hatch act twice. that's her third ethics violation because there was another one last year when she told america go buy ivanka's

stuff. and the white house thumbed its nose at osc and said we're not going to do anything about it. we don't agree with you. that's really shocking because osc is headed by a recent trump appointee who they said good things about when they appointed and he really did something brave taking a stand and making a finding that she did something, but they did nothing about it. then at the cabinet level, you have the head of v.a. david shul ken deceiving an ethics official. when he got tickets to wimbledon and told the ethics official the woman who gave it to me was a friend of my wife's. well, when investigators went to talk to her, she didn't know the wife's name. so when the white house refuses to take action against individuals like this, the message they're sending is, none of this matters. >> does it matter? is your sense that it maters to the american people? >> that's the really depressing thing as an ethics official because this should be sending off red alarms to people, but i

think we're in such a hyperpolarized society that you have supporters of the administration who assume that anyone who has concerns about ethics is just carrying partisan water. and the truth is, anything but that. these are objectively concerning matters. and all you have to do is imagine the other candidate had won the election. this congress would be holding hearings right now over some of this stuff. >> and does the fact that oftentimes we're talking about it taxpayer money being used to finance any of that does that breakthrough the noise? or we're at the same point with that as well? >> it should. and i hope it eventually will. i mentioned david shulken getting those wimbledon tickets. he spent $122,000 on that trip with he and his wife and ben carson trying to spend $31,000 on a dineette set, it's starting to set up. it all pales in comparison to the president's trip to his properties. so who knows.

>> thank you. always appreciate it. thanks for international viewers for watching. for you cnn talk is next. for our u.s. viewers, "new day" continues right now. >> this is the moment that the term house intelligence becomes an oxymoron. >> we see no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. >> it was apparent really from the very beginning. their real object was protecting the president. >> the c.i.a. just got it done, we'll show it. >> this is a sham. these guys are frauds. >> you're not saying that russia was behind this? >> right now we are standing with our uk allies. >> rex tillerson did admit that russia was responsible for this, but we still have not heard that from donald trump. >> the world is watching. i hate to put this pressure on you, rick. >> we need better. we have to bring in real people like conor lamb. >> this has become so much more than congressional race. this is testing the p energy of democrats. >> announcer: this is "new day". >> good morning. welcome