i'm curious. who did you piss off in management? >> i begged to go on this trip. chris has known me a long time. he knows i'm just that crazy. >> i'm surprised he wore the mask. he never takes an opportunity not to show his face. >> jim, great reporting. thank you very much very much. we're following a lot of news. let's get to it. >> we went to college together. >> i know that. now our closest allies will not know whether the president is speaking from facts. >> we're looking for solutions and pacts forward. >> why did they ban together to screw the united states on trade? >> these documents suggest that the trump organization has been intimately involved in the effort to keep stormy daniels quiet. >> we're talking about a president engaged in immoral and illegal behavior. >> is anyone surprised that he wasn't mother teresa. >> i stain lnt i burst into

tears wondering where my dog was. >> this has happened on more than one occasion on united flights. >> it was a really special dog. it's surprised the way he hs to leave. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to your "new day." the ides of march, by the way. it's 8:00 in the morning. we begin with a stunning admission. "the washington post" reporting that president trump told donors that he made up information about trade in a meeting with canada's prime minister. the president also apparently threatened to pull u.s. troops out of south korea over trade. so we're going to talk to one of the reporters who heard the audio recording of the president coming up. meanwhile, staffers inside the trump white house wondering which shoe will fall next. one administration official tells cnn that the president wants to fire every cabinet

member that he considers dead weight. cnn has new reporting that the person most at risk is getting the axe next could be attorney general jeff sessions. that would, of course, create a host of new headaches. let's begin with cnn's abby phillip live at the white house. what are you hearing, abby? >> reporter: good morning, alison. president trump may want to fire the dead weight in his cabinet. there is a large group of cabinet officials who president trump is upset with at the moment, perhaps at the top of the list a you just mentioned, jeff sessions, the attorney general criticized by president trump repeatedly on social media. he's also talking about fierpg h.r. mcmaster, hwho is also another person who has been add odds with the president on policy issues. there are others, ben carson at the housing agency, also betsy devos who had that really tough interview over the weekend and failed to answer basic questions

about her agency. so the list is very long. but on sessions sources tell us there are serious conversations happening right now about replacing him with someone else in the administration. the epa administrator scott pruitt, a former oklahoma attorney general. so he has that in his resume. the problem becomes if he's named as acting attorney general, that's a position that eventually the president would need to name him to on a permanent basis. once he does that, he can no longer be the acting a.g. pruitt has not been without controversy. democrats have been concerned about how he's run the epa. of course, all these conversations are happening in the white house. it seems at the moment that almost no one knows exactly what president trump is going to do and when he's going to do it, alisyn and chris. >> abby, thank you very much. let's bring in a.b. stoddard, editor of realclearpolitics and

cnn political analyst brian care rem. a.b., you can get into the weeds about what it means to slide over from one cabinet member to another, acting versus permanent. the idea that it would be easy and they can avoid a revetting of pruitt if he were to take out sessions may not be simple in the minds of the senators who would make the decision. here is senator angus king who would sit on the committee that would do the vetting. >> is it your understanding that the white house can slide somebody from one cabinet position into another without going through any recertification by the senate? >> no. i've never heard that theory. no. if mike pompeo will move from cia to be secretary of state, there clearly has to be hearings in the senate and a senate vote on confirmation. those are two very different jobs. >> let's say it's the example of

pruitt who was a.g. in oklahoma and would have some bona fides there. you think their plan is to try to do an end run around the process, a b? >> well, obviously i think prbs would be happy with an end run, but that us didn't mean the senate will. we know the senate republicans, many have been privately telling the white house for months that they don't want to approve of another attorney general, that it is politically perilous for the president to get rid of jeff sessions. unlike the other cabinet secretaries including scott pruitt, he has not abused first class or private travel, hasn't ordered pricey dining room sets on the taxpayer dime, and he has actually worked harder than anyone to implement the president's make america great agenda. there's a lot of bad feelings about the idea of him getting rid of sessions to begin with. scott pruitt just like senator

angus king was describing about mike pompeo moving from cia director to secretary of state would have to come in and talk about his role as, and his performance as attorney general in oklahoma, would have to talk about what he's done as secretary at the epa and the fact that he's run into ethical trouble with the rules and he would have to talk about his responsibilities in that new job. it obviously brings up the whole scope of the conversation about the russia investigation, bob mueller, would he fire him? how would he oversee it and all of that. it would be very contentious and very controversial and it's not easily done. as much as president trump would like to watch cable news and decide who the nextperson is for new jobs, it's not as simple as it sounds. >> sometimes it is. he does have a lot of people he's chosen that are from cable news that he's gotten familiar with over the years.

we see that happening with larry kudlow. i'm fascinated, brian, in terms of this game of musical chairs. here is the list of resolving door, it goes from david shulkin, jeff sessions, h.r. mcmaster. who fills in for him? betsy devos? john kelly, ryan zinke, ben carson -- says sarah sanders, but i think we can take that off the list. in any event, are people interchangeable in that way? >> first of all, we have to understand what the white house is right now. it's a dysfunctional day care center. there's no other way to look at it. at the bottom you've got people who are barely professional who shouldn't be wra they are. in the middle, the nannies who have to manage up and down and trying to implement a message from the president, but that message changes on a daily basis. the top management you've got people that are competing with the president who loves conflict, who loves to pit people against each other and

thinks he's getting a handle on his job now. this looks like a guy who is feeling his oats. at the same time he's really a good that would rather be on the back nine kicking his titleist out of the rough. he views it as a reality show, so he can kick people in and out any way he wants. the simple fact of the matter is government doesn't run that way and he's loathed to reach the learning curve where he understands the job, although he thinks by his actions that he does. that's the white house. >> a.b., what do you make of the criticism that his style is disruptive as a way of messing with people so stuck in their bureaucratic ways an there is progress, there is method to his madness, he is getting things done because of how he is. does anyone buy into that? >> no. we've seen method, we've seen madness, but seldom see the two meet. the method is madness, and the

simple fact of the matter is, if there is a message it's often lost by the simple fact of the way he conducts business. while he may want to shake things up -- i've been coming and going since reagan. i've seen people who like to shake things up. this is flying by the seat of the pants. there seems to be no real message other than the message of the moment. that's the difference. the people who are professional, and there are some like mcmaster, like i told you before, chris, i think he's a great guy. mattis -- some of these people are good people, sound professional people, are having difficulty dealing with it. on the back end, people afraid if they leave this administration they'll never find work again. >> a.b., your thoughts? >> i think that -- i've heard the conversation this morning, and we have it often, about whether or not trump's base will support all this chaos and whether they'll leave him. they don't care about stormy

daniels, and that's fine. but this is governance, and governance is a process. while he creates all this disruption and he enjoys it -- brian is right -- and it's his style and it was in the new york real estate business, it actually destabilizing the u.s. government at a time when the economy is fine at home doing quite well. he has a great story to tell there. he got a tax bill through congress and he's presided over massive deregulation that the business community loves and wall street adores. but overseas we're in a merrill laos situation. so while the world watches the way he dumps his secretary of state, the world watches people working close to the president, handling classified and secret information without security clearances and being whisked off the property without their jacket on, the world watches all this dysfunction, him bragging about lying to the prime minister of canada, one of our greatest allies and thinking it's funny, threatening to pull

troops out of south korea at a very grave time and consequential time, this undermines us long term, not only now but later. that's what's so scary. it's not just a style. it has consequences. >> the real consequence, in the piece you saw that jim put on is the russian question. russia is running rampant right now and freely and unchecked. last friday in that briefing room i asked sarah huckabee sanders. i said, listen, in the last three weeks this president has said he's going to increase our involvement in nuclear arms, back away from the leadership role this country has taken in nuclear disarmament. the following week -- i think it was omb director mulvaney said we'll spend $50 billion upgrading and enhancing our nuclear arsenal. a week later putin says he has a first-strike weapon that can renteder our defenses useless. those are the serious issues

this president must deal with. when i asked that question, i was told by the white house that their problem, quite frankly, isn't that. it's false narratives and fake news. these people do not understand the issues facing this country. >> brian karem and a.b. stoddard, thank you very much. let's get back to the bombshell report in "the washington post," an audio recording captured the president about lying when it comes to the trade balance with canadian prime minister justin trudeau. joining us is cnn political analyst josh dawsey, he co-wrote the piece in the washington poecht apost and heard the trump recording. sorry to get you out of bed. already trump loyalists are saying, he didn't say it, it's fake, he didn't mean it that way, it's been misrepresented. you heard it. how did it go? >> we have the audio. a 30-minute comment to the

fund-raiser where the president rifts, talked about trade, south korea, potentially pulling out troops if he doesn't get what he wants on trade with seoul. the president was there for a fund-raiser for josh holly running for senator of missouri where it turned into a campaign-style rally where he went through a number of topics, from justin trudeau where he said i made up the facts about this meeting, i don't know, but i'm going to guess we have a trade deficit even though the united states trade representative says we have a surplus, to his comments on the allies, saying our allies aring looing out for themselves. essentially, chris, his comments distilled to this, he thinks countries are screwing the united states over, china, japan, canada, mexico, all these places where he wants to renegotiate deals and put more tariffs on.

his comments were pretty striking even to the donors in the room. >> that's fine. he can call out trade imbalances, he has to find a way to fix them and can't abuse the truth in the process at least when he's being recorded. let me ask you thing, any thought over at "the washington post" to put out the recording and put these discrepancies to rest? >> we'll put a transcript out later today. we've quoted him extensively. this isn't anonymous sourcing. >> you know how it goes, if people don't see the proof for themselves, there's always going to be a space for a disconnect. >> there's always sensitivities to our sourcing and how we do our recording and what we do and what we can't. obviously we stand by our reporting. >> was there anything in how it sounded that would give an excuse to the president of, i was just joking, i was making a joke, this didn't really happen and everybody in the room knew it? >> the president does sometimes joke, chris. this is the way he tells

stories. you watched his rallies over and over again, and sometimes his folks around him will say don't take him literally. he likes to be -- likes to embellish the truth occasionally. he likes to go out and take some lib gbeerty liberties. the crowd was laughing. the president's words are his words and our job is to try to find out exactly what he's saying to donors behind closed doors and write about it. he could argue that he was joking. i'm not sure. maybe he was. but we certainly are quoting him of what he said. >> what has been the white house response to you so far? >> i haven't gotten much of a response from the white house. these are comments on tape. we're literally listening to the tape, writing down what the president says, explaining what he was trying to say. this isn't anything in dispute. >> how was the suggestion that maybe the troops that are in the dmz between north and south korea, maybe that may be up for negotiation based on how things go forward there? how was that received in the

room? >> i think it was received pretty well. he had 60-70 republican donors and supporters. there was laughing and clapping and cheering for him in this room. not much of a reaction one way or the other. the president was going through a litany of countries that he thought the united states had been treated unfair li by. in the middle of these countries, he ticked off how he could possibly remedy this, whether it would be canada, mexico. he essentially said south korea has gotten rich, they have all these products, we're trading with them. we're helping to protect them and we're not going to keep the status quo. he's willing to try to rip up these trade deals and use whatever the united states has negotiating leverage. >> him not telling the truth is something that should be familiar right now when it suits him. however, the idea of creating an opportunity with one hand to sit down with north korea and with the other hand potentially destabilizing the alliance with south korea which will be so

important going into these negotiations, it's a little mind-boggling. josh dawsey, appreciate you giving us the inside scoop. thank you. >> thanks for having me. so republicans ended it. democrats on the house intel committee say they are not through with their russia probe. so what's their next move? congressman adam schiff joins us next. improve our workflow. attract new customers. that's when fastsigns recommended fleet graphics. yeah! now business is rolling in. get started at fastsigns.com. yeah! now business is rolling in. we're all under one roof now. congratulations. thank you. how many kids? my two. his three. along with two dogs and jake, our new parrot. that is quite the family. quite a lot of colleges to pay for though. a lot of colleges. you get any financial advice? yeah, but i'm pretty sure it's the same plan they sold me before. well your situation's totally changed now. right, right. how 'bout a plan that works for 5 kids, 2 dogs and jake over here? that would be great. that would be great. that okay with you, jake? get a portfolio that works for you now

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witnesses to be interviewed in their russia investigation. republicans say they're wrapping up the probe. joining us is house intel committee, ranking democrat congressman adam schiff of california. if it's supposed to be over, what work is there left for you to do, sir? >> probably the most important work after the republicans put out their report and we put out ours. we're going to seek the release of the entire transcripts of all the witness interviews. the republicans have said they're committed to doing this. if we can't come together on a unified report, the next best thing is giving the american people all the facts. i have to tell you, chris, i'm skeptical they'll keep their word on this. when you read these transcripts, you not only will learn a host of facts that the republicans won't include in the report, don't want the people to see, but you also see how fundamentally unserious the republicans were about this investigation, how unserious many of their questions were, how superficial their questions

were and how all too often they came to the defense of witnesses when they refused to answer questions. the american people should see what's being done in their name and importantly what was not done in their name. >> we always appreciate the transparency. we were just talking about that with josh douse see from "the washington post," this audio recording of trump talking to donors. it's better for people to decide. why? because it's getting difficult for the people to trust anything that's partisan. so the question that comes up is why would you even want to continue that house intel probe when it becomes so dysfunctional, toxically partisan that there was literally a wall. we talk about the joke who is going to build the wall, you guys built one between the two sides of your own committee. where was there going to be progress in that probe? >> chris, there wasn't a wall built in the committee. that was evidently something that the chairman was proposing to do which i think was abandoned. it's a perfect indication symbolically and otherwise of the difficulty we've had with our chairman.

it's been less a problem i think among most of the other members of the committee, but the leadership of the committee comes from the top, and from the very beginning of the investigation, the day after that open hearing with james comey when the chairman went on that midnight run, his objective has been to protect the white house, not to do a credible investigation. even so, chris, we've learned a great deal. we've learned a great deal about secret meetings the trump campaign had with the russians. we've learned a great deal about the russian's use of social media. we've been able to obtain a lot of very important information for the country which you'll see when these transcripts come out because at least some of the members, the democratic members have been very serious about this. and the other reason, chris, we can't simply rely on bob mueller, because his job is different than ours. his job is to determine who broke the law and who should be prosecuted and who should go to jail. it's not his job to tell the country what happened. outside of an indictment, he may not be able to speak. that's what the congress is

supposed to do. so there's no substitute for congress doing its job. >> fair point about purview. as we understand it, the only responsibility of the special counsel is to report to a.g. rosenstein, deputy a.g. rosenstein on the matter, not to the american people. however, in terms of what you guys learned, conway came out, fairly respected guy on both sides of the aisle and says no proof of any collusion, no proof even that the russians had intentions to tilt the playing field toward trump. >> well that's add-ons with the abundance of evidence. when you see the transcripts you'll see how wrong those statements on. indeed, the comments about disputing the intelligence community's assessment that the russians were trying to help their preferred candidate donald trump, that's contrary to all the evidence we've seen. certainly kron trcontrary to th evidence, the allegations of the bob mueller indictment of the

russians, contrary to what the senate is seeing on a bipartisan basis. let's let the country see what's in these transcripts, let the country judge for themselves. but it shows, i think, just how complete the capitulation has been on the gop side to the white house, that they would contest even that fundamental conclusion of our intelligence community and all the evidence in the social media campaign, all the evidence about the hacking and dumping operation which very clearly points to the russian motivation, not only of sewing discord but helping one candidate, donald trump, and hurting the other, hillary clinton. >> now, you said you have concerns about the response by the u.s. to what happened with this nerve agent attack in the uk on the same grounds. we heard from ambassador nikki haley and former secretary of state rex tillerson. we even have a new statement out of the white house. we haven't heard from the president openly condemning russia for these alleged actions by dent of what the u.k. said

they've developed in terms of proof. why does that bother you? >> the russians violated our sovereignty by interfering in our election. they're violating british sovereignty by attempting to murder people on british soil, in fact, have murdered people on british soil. they are trampling on the rule of law around the world. we need to stand up to them. the fact this president isn't capable of doing that means that the most powerful nation on earth isn't willing to stand up to russia as it violates international law and commits murder and attempted murder. that's a serious business. if our british ally can't even count on the president of the united states to have her back when there's an attack on her soil, what does that say about the willingness of the united states to defend our allies? i think this is a serious problem. it's not enough to have your u.n. ambassador say something or your press secretary say something. donald trump is sending a message to putin by his silence

and that's got to stop. >> it's interesting. the haley statement detailed different things that russia is doing. she had an interesting line where she said we take no pleasure in criticizing russia, but they keep giving us good reason to do so. she didn't mention russian interference in our election in that statement. connected to that are the sanctions, one of the only things you men and women have decided to agree on was passing sanctions against russia. there are only two non-votes on it, right, in terms of the operative vote. they went to the white house. the white house says they did act on it. they're being taken by the treasury and other actions. what is your understanding of whether those sanctions you handed to the white house have been acted on? >> they've done nothing on them except when the deadline came up to announce the names of people considered for sanctions. they literally tore pages out of "forbes" magazine and stapled them to their response. that also sends a message to

russia that the president of the united states is going to do everything he can to protect putin. what we could do right now in response to this poisoning is speak out strongly on behalf of our british allies, support every action that britain takes, implement these sanctions that congress has sent to the president. what better timing could there be than this latest provocation? the white house has a lot of opportunities if they're serious about confronting this mall leave rent actor, but clearly they're not. one of the problems with shutting down our investigation is it prevents us from finding out whether there's a reason that the president can't act against president vladimir putin. >> congressman schiff, appreciate you being on the show as always. two disturbing stories about dogs on united flights in just the past two days. what's being done to keep your pet safe when you fly. one republican senator is demanding answers next.

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lamb's election is a wake-up call. our next guest called it a good old-fashioned ass kicking. joining me is senator john kennedy of louisiana. good morning, senator. >> good morning, alisyn. >> hawould you say republicans e scared today after what they saw yesterday? >> i can't speak for all of my colleagues. i'm nod scared. i'm curious. we lost, and we were supposed to w win. i think the voters in that district are trying to tell us something. i don't think we ought to insult the american people and try to spin it. i remember when scott brown, a republican, was elected senator in a democratic state in 2010, i remember our democratic friends tried to spin it. i remember at the time thinking,

you must think the american people are dumb. they're not. they get it. >> what is that message? you say you have to listen to what the voters are telling you. what is that message? >> i don't know yet. people smarter than me will figure it out. some are going to say that it's turnout. i no e that. others will say, well, all politics is local. that's not true. some politics is local. in a federal race, what's going on in washington, d.c. matters. and we need to listen to this. it's important politically. it also important, you talk about, hey, the american people are trying to tell us something. >> do you think they're trying to tell you something about president trump? >> i don't know. it could be. they're telling us that there's something going on in washington that they don't like. and obviously at least those who

came out to vote are blaming the republican party. if we're making a mistake, i would like to be corrected. >> students across the country are also trying to send a messa message. they walked out of schools yesterday in protest, trying to stop school shootings and gun violence. you're on the judiciary committee. one of the democrats on the committee, dick durbin, heard it this way. listen to this. >> we ought to listen. instead what we have, sadly, are weak responses all around. why? well, in a lucid moment a couple weeks ago the president identified it. politicians are petrified by the national rifle association. the question we face very honestly is whether we're petrified by them. i'm not. >> what's the answer to that, senator. do you think politicians are petrified of the nra? >> no.

i'm not. i can't speak for all my colleagues. i'm not petrified by the nra. i'm awed by the bill of rights, the u.s. constitution. we have a second amendment right, if we choose to exercise it, to own a gun. it's fundamental, inalienable, the majority can't take it away from us just like our right to worship the god of our choice or no god at all, just like our right to free speech. the debate we're having in washington is what reasonable parameters can be put on that fundamental, inalienable constitutional right to bear arms that are constitutional and reasonable people are disagreeing over it. i understand people want to stop the violence. i do, too. but at the same time i want to see both sides of the equation. for example when a jihadist

blows up a school and kills children, we're told not to judge the acts of all muslims by the act of one or two. i agree with that, alisyn. how come the same rule doesn't apply to the 80 million gun owners zm. >> i don't think that's true. when a school shooter goes into a school, we don't say lock up all 19-year-old boys. we try to figure out what the commonality is. it seems like there's a commonality with ar-15s. >> but that doesn't mean it's necessarily a cause. for example. we have 300 million guns, 100 minion handguns, rifles and shotguns. in the 20 years before 2013, gun ownership in america went up 50%. gun homicide went down 50%. i'm not going to vote away to take away somebody's constitutional right unless i'm certain that the benefits

outweigh the costs. >> i understand. of course. >> i wouldn't do that for any fundamental constitutional right. i understand some of my colleagues, they just don't think that guns are appropriate from american society and are entitled to believe it. our constitution says otherwise. >> i think you're going too far. i don't hear your colleagues saying let's get rid of all guns. i hear them saying let's put parameters, just like we have parameters on freedom of speech. that's what they're debating. we're almost out of time. i need to get your take because you've been so outspoken about what's happened on united airlines with pets and with these dogs. united airlines has announced that new solution is they're going to put a bright yellow tag on a carrying case with a dog or pet in it so those are not put

in overhead bins. do you want to see them go further? >> yes. in a lot of respects dogs are how people ought to be. pets, particularly dogs are family members. i have two o at home. one is a beagle. i don't know what the other ones. i love them both. i wouldn't ask becky to choose between me and our pups. what happened was disgraceful. a 10-month-old puppy that belonged to an 11-year-old girl. they paid $150 to bring co-kito on the plane. i don't know what happened. i do know that three quarters of all the pet deaths on planes every year and customers are paying to bring their pets on the plane, three-quarters have happened on a united flight. i don't particularly enjoy having to legislate or try to ledge slate common descecency b

i'm going to do it until they take this seriously. >> you're going to prohibit airlines from putting animals in overhead bins. it seems like it should be common sense. senator, thank you very much. >> thank you, alisyn. we have new details of an undisclosed u.s. military fire fight with isis militants in niger. a live report from the pentagon next.

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there are two types of people in the world. those who fear the future... and those who embrace it. the future is for the unafraid. ♪ ♪ sources tell cnn president trump wants to get rid of some of his problematic cabinet members. remember he used to say this was the best group ever assembled. now he says some are dead weight. cnn learned it includes potentially replacing attorney general jeff sessions with epa administrator scott pruitt. there's a suggestion that maybe they can slide pruitt in there. that's not how it works. let's get "the bottom line" from

political director david chalian. we asked senator angus king about this sliding over and he said he never heard of it. if you want this to be your man and woman, they have to be vetted. >> no doubt. it could be a two-step thing. first of all, let's back up. the fact that donald trump is not pleased with jeff sessions is not a secret to anybody. he's made this clear over the better part of the last year, mostly stemming from the fact that sessions recused himself from the aush yeah investigation. if he wanted scott pruitt, a former state attorney general from oklahoma, in that role and wanted him immediately, because he's already senate confirmed, because he can be appointed as acting attorney general and then go through the full process and be confirmed by the senate. >> instead of the process, i'm more interested in the idea of these musical chairs that people are interchangeable. don't they have special

credentials that allow them to be epa administrator? don't answer that. that's rhetorical. or the idea that any of these things are up for grabs is what i think is noteworthy. >> that is true, alisyn, not everybody in every role would be right for multiple roles. i will say pruitt was under consideration as a foenl ag nominee back when the administration got started. he did serve that role in oklahoma. >> and when you look at the shuffling and the dead weight, does this play as more trump style of mixing it up and getting the best in there, or is there an accountability issue here seeing how he picked these people who are flopping in the first place? >> it is pretty clear to me that the president is looking to do a sort of house clean iing here i some ways. he's trying to put together, after a very tumultuous first year on the job, a team that would not constrain him or

attempt to constrain him in ways that he rejected as best he could in the first year. our colleague, gloria borger did reporting on this and wrote a column and was saying a source she spoke to was describing this notion that the president feels like he knows how to do this now and he doesn't need necessarily the training wheels, my words, of some of his other appointees and is looking to, of course, always get people he feels most loyal to him in the right roles. >> david, let's talk about this remarkable audiotape from the fund-raiser that the president was at in which he described how he had a meeting with canada's prime minister, justin trudeau, and the fact that the president didn't know the facts or the information about whether or not there was a trade imbalance with canada did not stop him from running with his hunch. he is sure, in his mind, that the u.s. is being screwed over. he has said this, by all countries. so he ran with that with justin trudeau and justin trudeau had

to correct him, actually, there is no trade imbalance with canada. and the president just sort of doesn't believe that and kept pressing the idea that there was. it's fascinating to hear how the president runs with his hunch. he talked about this last night. he was sort of bragging about how he goes with his hunch. >> doesn't hunch suggest that you know something? isn't that a hunch? >> i mean a hunch, he feels it. >> what i find so fascinating about those remarks is he said, i didn't even know. >> he says i don't even know. that's a hunch. when you know you don't know something, you don't have a hunch. >> he always feels he's being screwed over by another country as he's said in the past. go ahead, david. >> i think this moment is so revelatory yet again, donald trump showing us his true self. i know it's a fund-raiser behind closed doors, so perhaps he didn't intend to show. obviously it got out, but this notion that the facts be damned.

it doesn't pertain to him. he wants to be the blowhard that will bull doze his way through to turn reality to his version, even with our closest neighbor and big trading partner and stalwart ally of the united states, he still wants to bull does and create his own version of reality with the prime minister of canada. >> is notion a better word? >> i don't think it's parsing the language. i'm just saying, if you don't know whether or not you have a trade imbalance, you're not playing on a hunch. you're just making something up. him thinking them getting a bad deal, that could be a hunch. >> david chalian, thank you very much for "the bottom line." cnn "newsroom" with john berman picks up after the break.

listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™ good morning everyone. john berman here. overnight, the president hit the dishonesty trifecta. he didn't just lie to the canadian prime minister, he admitted to lying and even bragged about lying. if you bet on all three, you win. a trade deficit with canada that doesn't actually exist. according to "the washington post" at a fund-raiser last night the president boasted that he made up facts while meeting canadian prime minister justin trudeau. as you let that sink in for a