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first one this saturday night. check it out. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching p i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room". erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront next special counsel robert mueller now targeting trump administration. heart of trump's financial matters. did he cross the president's red line. and is vladimir putin a friend or foe. white house refusing to answer that question tonight. and more breaking news this hour, a deadly bridge collapse, cars trapped underneath, rescueses now trying to find survivors. now live at the scene. breaking news, robert mueller is now inside the trump organization. special counsel tonight closing in on the heart of the president's business dealings issuing a subpoena to the trump organization. a source telling cnn mueller's team is seeking business documents. and an according to the "new
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york times" the subpoena includes documents related to russia and other topics mueller is investigating. and other topics he's investigating. think about that for a second. that means the investigation could now be at the heart of trump's business. possibly looking at issues beyond russia. and it's news that could rock this president. after all, he said mueller looking at his finances beyond russia is a red line. >> mueller was looking at your finances and family's finances, is that a red line? >> i would say yes. >> and when pressed at the white house today about whether mueller subpoena of the trump organization is crossing that red line, the white house press secretary sarah sanders tried to dodge. >> is the president still believe -- does he draw a distinction, do you know, between a red line on family finances separately from family finances or business finances
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relating to a russia as it pertains to this case? >> the president believes very strongly there was no collusion between the trump campaign and russia. we are going to continue to cooperate with the special counsel. and for questions specific to the trump organization i would refer you to them. >> i would refer you to them. of course, the president has not sold his stake in the trump organization and merely transferred his day-to-day operations to his sons. both of whom vocally defend him politically constantly. so let's be clear, tonight's breaking development shows mueller's investigation could be extremely wide ranging, and if it is looking beyond russia, then looking at financial dealings family run shrouded in darkness which stretches from golf to hotels, and television. according to cnn analysis, trump owns or has a position in more than 500 companies. that includes about 150 that have done business in at least 25 foreign countries including turkey, qatar and saudi arabia.
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places like due bay where they attended opening galas for golf courses. just last month luxury apartments. like vancouver ivanka trump ran the hotel project that they are skr scrutinizing. on a tower that never came to fruition. all of this, including any financial dealings the president may have had with russia now appear to be fair game, according to t"the new york times." we are way over president trump's red line. we are out outfront in washington tonight. what does this mean? >> reporter: as far as robert mueller is concerned there is no red line. look, we don't know the details of what exactly the documents special counsel is asking for in this subpoena, which was received in recent weeks, we are
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told, but it's clear that the top of the list has to be the trump tower moscow project way was something that was entered into letter of intent by the trump organization in 2015. project that never came to fruition. but we've known for years that this was sort of donald trump's great white whale. chasing a deal in russia for decades. and we also know that according to people we've talked to that some witnesses brought before the special counsel, they have been asked specifically about that deal. so it bears to mind essentially that project is at the top of the list of the things that special counsel would be interested in getting documents for. what's interesting about this subpoena that was sent to the trump organization, erin, is also the fact that the organization had previously voluntarily turned over thousands of pages of documents. the documents that they had previously turned over to congressment and they had also given to the special counsel. so this indicates that there are
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documents that perhaps the special counsel believes has not been turned over or they are trying to make sure that everything they needed has been turned over. we did get a statement from allen who is an attorney for the trump organization. he says that the organization is cooperating with the investigation. he says it's old news. but i have to tell you, erin, the fact they received a subpoena, that's new. >> that is new. and obviously hugely significant. thank you very much, evan perez. and i want to go now to john dean white house counsel during watergate. and david gergen served as adviser to four presidents. john let me start with you. you heard the reporting eve insaying looking at things like the moscow tower they asked a lot of questions about, "the new york times" saying mueller wants some documents, and others related to other topics. he's investigating. what is the significance of this? how deep could this go, john? >> well, it's significant in a
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number of ways. first of all, it does show the bre breadth and depth of the investigation. he's being very thorough. as evan said he doesn't know if they are being responsive in turning over the documents. but it certainly will get to this point. it's not surprising. this is a plan plays by the book, special counsel, and doing it by the book, and on strongest ground to get this information when he issues a grand jury subpoena like this. >> kim, does it mean that he doesn't trust the trump organization? that's an important point evan made that john picked up on. they handed over thousands of pages voluntarily. do you put a subpoena out if you think they were cooperating and gave you everything you want or not? >> well, here he is being really thorough. the difference with subpoena is that we have the power behind it. and any respondent can't get
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cued and forget to turn over documents and then say whoops i didn't mean to if it were to be uncovered through some other source, right. so here the mueller team knows that they are going to have to produce documents with the awareness that if they fail to brow dues documents, they might be in court and ultimately held in content. so they are doing it, as was said, by the book, and to ensure that they have some strength hf the subpoena power behind it if there is noncompliance. >> david, i wanted to play again what the president said with the interview in "new york times" last summer when he laid the red line out very specifically. here it is. >> mueller was looking at your finances and your family's finances unrelated to russia. is that a red line? >> would that be a breach of what his actual target is? >> i would say es. >> david, does this appear to cross the president's red line to you? >> it certainly could in the president's mind.
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i think there is some evidence to support the idea that he has anticipated this a little bit. you know, it appeared the president and his team thought this whole thing was winding down. but last week they decided they needed new legal help in the white house. they are expanding their team. must have anticipated this to some degree. but the cynic in me raises the question, erin, of whether in the last few days the rumors that have been surfacing that the president is about to fight sessions, attorney general, would suggest that perhaps he does think a red line has been crossed. if he fires sessions, i think a lot of us will be reinforced in the view that he did that because he thought mueller was getting too close. because if he has a new ag he may well fire mueller. so i think there is a lot going on when we look back a lot of dots to be connected. >> in hindsight it may all appear clear. kim, we understand subpoena is
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for business documents from the trump organization. what is the significance of that specifically? what do you get from these business documents, which again could be about, as we said, anything, russia, vancouver, we don't know the understand. >> three lines of inquiry here. one is any crimes committed with what we know was russia influence in the election. right. so mueller is concerned about provable crimes before a jury trial. the second would be following the money. and here we have transactions that occurred with potential negotiations for tran action that occurred during the campaign. we know from his own team that tax returns include some transactions with russians over the past ten years. that doesn't include any intermediary transactions and we know that mueller has gone after money laundering. and third is obstruction of justice. so to the extent there is some kind of shady dealings create a motive fom some other crime ks squarely within the mandate
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which is matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation. >> i think that's the key point, arose, right. so arose doesn't mean related to it, arose in that investigation, and maybe it takes you over here, maybe related, maybe not, still came from that original inquiry. john, the trump organization claiming today they've been fully cooperative. white house says they are going to continue to fully cooperate. but mueller did issue a subpoena. so is fully cooperative fair to say? >> well, it's interesting that we are just getting word of the subpoena today or late yesterday. and what is true in all these investigations, it was true in watergate and other investigations i've looked at, that the news reporting generally follows anywhere from two weeks to two months behind what actual events happen, often internally during the investigation itself. so this subpoena has been out there, and the trump people haven't really made any noise about it.
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they may have well have been the leak that provided this information to the "new york times." so they are slow in reacting. they haven't, in other words, he didn't blow his stack anywhere over this that, that we know of. so there may be some degree of cooperation in trying to deal with this. >> and yet, david, it's interesting when you look at the set up in the trump organization. donald trump didn't divest of his holdings, he divested of day-to-day leadership running of the trump organization, which his sons have taken over. and they have done so frankly even as they have continued to do television appearances, defend him on twitter, and even overseas on trump business talked about politics. >> absolutely. but i think, erin, what is a bit of a surprise tonight is that there is working assumption has been the investigation was centering on activities in his political organization were they
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colluding in his campaign with the russians. so the issue has been how far into the white house has the investigation proceeded. was it coming close to the oval office. but tonight it's actually they are looking now at a different organization, not political organization, but business organization. and that's a much more labyrinth than affair that will take a long time to sort out. but to go to john's point maybe two weeks ahead of what's taking place. maybe he's putting together the political and family organization. and for donald trump that could be a formidable problem. >> where the motive would be, where the evidence would be, isn't it? >> well, certainly, as was mentioned, the scope and breatheth of this could be mastiff. and the big distinction here between prior investigations including white water that i worked on, is we have russians
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involved. we have another government that our democracy is currently under attack by. and this administration and congress hasn't done much to stop it. so i really hope we are not at a situation where this president is going to consider dismantling our system of justice at the very moment where every american needs to see this through. >> all right, thank you all, very much. obviously the big question tonight what is the president's response to red line being crossed publicly now that we all know. thank you so much. next, new sanctions against russia for u.s. meddling. white house tonight refusing to say whether russia is friend or foe. plus trump could be on the verge of making more major staff changes. and the white house tonight saying it is all part of a grand plan. >> and breaking news, live in miami, a rescue mission is under way alt this moment. a deadly bridge collapsed crushing cars on a major highway.
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war. tonight moscow threatening to retaliate from new sanctions. ahead ben cardin. senator, you know a lot about this. let's start with sarah sanders, what's your reaction to her not labeling russia friend or foe to the united states? >> erin, russia has acted as foe to the united states. they attacked us in 2016. attacked us in 2018 elections. they have attacked our allies. as we saw in u.k., they are involved in poisoning in the u.k. they have invaded other countries, such as ukraine. they have interfered directly in opposition, funding opposition in certain countries, they financ financed a coup in the in teg
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tra. certainly a foe. >> she asked if president putin is playing president trump and play that for you, senator. >> is vladimir putin playing president trump? >> not at all. the president has said in the past that if we can work together to combat world threats on things like north korea, then we should. but the president is also shown that he's been extremely tough on russia throughout his administration. >> you heard her, she says extremely tough. today the trump administration did finally impose sanctions, 19 russian individuals, five russian entities. is that extremely tough, senator? is it proof trump is now standing up to putin or not? >> no, it has not been extremely tough. these sanctions should have been imposed before now. some of these sanctions duplicative of what has been done. long way to go authority given by president by congress, by
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overwhelming vote. some of these sanctions are mandatory that have yet to be imposed. no. when you look at what other countries have done that were attacked by mr. putin, their actions were very definitive. to this date, president trump has yet to say that mr. putin was involved in our elections, where everyone knows that they were. so he has yet to take president trump, a tough stance publicly against mr. putin. and if you don't, mr. putin will take it as far as he possibly can. look, we want to work with all countries in the world. we want to work with russia. but if you allow mr. putin to continue to take these actions against our interests, with no repercussions, he'll take it further and further. >> well, of course, as we pointed out, air, land, sea, ugs head of european command saying we are at levels haven't seen since the cold war. the president has referred to the special counsel's
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investigation as a witch hunt, hoax. it's important all 13 people indicted by mueller for election interference are on the sanctions list that came out from this straadministration. do you think the president will now admit the russian investigation is not a witch hunt since he's using part of it himself? >> only thing i would hope the president would do is allow the mueller investigation to proceed without any interruptions and stop threatening the way he has in the past. it's important that that investigation do its work, let it go where it needs to, let it do all the investigation it needs to happen, connect as many dots as it possibly can, and give a full report to the american people. but we still need a complete investigation as to what russia is doing here in the united states in order to protect ourselves. >> so sources confirmed to cnn special counsel has subpenaed the trump organization for business documents and "the new york times" is saying, as you know, some of those documents
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are related to russia and others related to other topics, mueller is investigating. how significant do you think this is? >> well, again, i'm going to allow mr. mueller to do his complete investigation. if he needs to see the trump records, he should. mr. trump put himself in a very bad position when he didn't divest himself of conflicts when he took over as president of the united states. he's the first president that remained in control of his individual assets, business assets. that sets up the potential for conflict. the president never should have done that. mr. mueller is fully within his rights to see whether there are any connections there worthy of investigation. >> all right senator carden i appreciate your time. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> and, next, trump embracing chaos at the white house. why he said to be no longer listening to any of his advisers tonight? and the president bragging about making up trade figure toss a world leader. tonight the white house trying
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trump flying solo, a source familiar with the president's thinking telling cnn he doesn't feel the need to listen to input from advisers and aides. this is the white house says the mass turn departmeover at the we is totally normal. >> when will he have everybody in place? >> as you move through an administration, you have different priorities that you are focused on and different people that will lead those efforts and lead those priorities. >> different priorities. can that seemingly innocuous term losing half of your staff first 14 months of your candidacy. up next, thanks to both of you. sarah sanders says it's normal. priorities have changed. >> it's not normal. we haven't seen anything like it. half the administration. other administrations would do this if it was normal and good thing and cleaning up. >> but the average number is
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what, 9 or 10%? he came in whopping 17. >> that was huge. >> we have to be 50 here of course. >> n"new york times" did the numbers two weeks ago 43%. and we have had two or three people leave but it's bad. it's not good. it's dysfunction. i'm not buying their spin today. >> different priorities. >> i'll take you back to 1978. bear with me for a second. >> sure. >> new york yankees 14.5 games behind red sox. george brenner considered a lunatic, fired three managers, chaos in the white house. you know what, they won the world series. get the right people in the right positions eventually people follow into place. >> that's an analogy. >> i love it. i'm a baseball fan. >> don't tell me red socks fan. >> san francisco giants. but i'm not buying that. this isn't baseball.
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this is world stage. super power. and it's not like people are leaving for good reasons. steven mnuchin should leave because he just took million dollars of taxpayer money to fly on military aircraft. his predecessor flew commercial. he's not leaving. he's fine. >> that's because the list of offenses and relatively bad they are that's low on the list. >> apparently low on the list. >> i'm not saying that to be funny. >> high on my list. low on his list. but talking about somebody like john kelly. i vl no political affinity for him, obviously. but the people he's talking about getting rid of, john kelly, h.r. mcmaster, maybe jeff sessions too, all because they stand up to him. he doesn't like it. they are tough on him. and so it seems like they are looking for yes men. is that what steinbrenner did? >> no, actually because he fought all the time. but eventually they got the right mix in there. and i do think the president when he came in had zero political experience so
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listening to lots of different people, none whom he trusted other than close friends, and mixing and matching. as he said he's comfortable in his own skin, according to what he said, seeing who works and on the bus. and if you are not 100% on the team or doing what you are supposed to do in your job, then either move the seat or get off the bus. >> i'm sure you said feelings oaths rather than sewing oaths, that would be another aspect to the story. >> we have not heard that yet. >> all past tense. >> commenting on the story today and about chaos. clear on chaos. i remember tom barrack come in saying he likes chaos. likes everyone being insecure. this is the way he likes thinks. but he says that's now false. here he is. >> they wrote a story about staff changes today that was very false. we made a wonderful change. i think mike pompeo is going to be incredible secretary of state. so they'll always be change, but
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very little. it was a very false story. a very exaggerated and false story. but they'll always be change. and i think you want to see change. >> there will always be change. >> very little. >> but very little change. >> but some. >> you know what's interesting is, erin, there might actually -- somebody's job might have been saved because of this "new york times" reporting about chaos and turnover. because we have seen this before, times report tillerson is out. >> for a few months. >> i'm not saying maybe for a week. i'm saying maybe we won't have a friday massacre. we'll have next wednesday massacre we can talk about. so he wants to push back on that. he's sub botubborn, maybe i won it now but i'll do it. >> tillerson, tried it, okay, points for trying it, didn't
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work out. >> then why didn't he get rid of him when the reporting was saying that? what does that say about him? >> at some point you have to pull the trigger. you don't know what he was working out what needed to be finished now. now going into a difficult period of time with noerrth koreans and wants to make sure he has the right people in the job. >> so i don't know. you are trying to make sense of this. >> the big question now, a lot of questions about a lot of people, right. we can go down the list of cabinet members. but jeff sessions is top of the list about new subpoena on russia and perhaps beyond the trump organization. republicans, powerful ones made it clear they are against this. do not get rid of jeff sessions. but lindsey graham said i would
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be surprised and concerned. grassley says i would be surprised disappointed and concerned. >> i don't know if he's afraid of anything, really. he knows there will be blow back. i hope to god he's afraid to fire jeff sessions. honestly, because i believe the reason he would do it would be to put somebody in charge, we hear it could be scott prewett that would fire robert mueller and that would be a diseasaster and that we don't want to see that. >> do you think he is like dare me? >> no conservatives like sessions so wants to keep him. but i think in his gut, if he got rid of jeff sessions for the wrong reasons, to fire him, to do the dirty work and the probe, you can't have that. at this point you have to let the mueller probe finish up, even though going in all these different directions, nobody should be surprised they are
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subpoenaing the organization. i don't think that's a shocker. >> of course beyond russia, but we don't know the details. we know it's beyond topics that we don't know what they are. thank you, both. next, trump admits he made up figures about trade deficit with canada. is he tripling down on a lie? and deadly news, a bridge collapse in miami. a search trying to get survivors out and cars undider neaerneath bridge when it fell. ( ♪ ) your heart doesn't only belong to you. child: bye, grandpa! and if you have heart failure, entrusting your heart to entresto may help.
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new tonight, the white house standing by president trump's trade that the united states has trade deficit with canada. this said at a fundraiser told the president there was a deficit even though he didn't know it was true. he came to see me, said, no, no we have no trade deficit with you. donald, please, nice guy comes in wie have no trade deficit. i said, wrong, justin, you do.
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i didn't know. i had no idea. i just said you are wrong. okay. outfront now former labor secretary under president clinton and adviser to the trump campaign steve moore. all right, gentleman, let's get to the heart of this. robert president insists to canada prime minister there is a trade deficit even though he doesn't know if that's really true or not. >> well, what's the significance of that? you might be asking yourself. does it matter whether he's ignorant or knowing lies or says something that's not true? >> you know, i think after 14 months of this, honestly, erin, most of the rest of the world and a lot of the united states just doesn't give any credence to anything that comes out of his mouth. whether it's a lie, knowingly or it's just ignorance, it doesn't matter. nothing that comes out of this man's mouth is given an
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assumption of credibility, of truth, and that is sadly where we are right now. >> so, steve, before we get to the numbers. let's go with what the president said. you know, i didn't even know. i had no idea. i just said you're wrong. does that trouble you? he didn't care, just decided to contradict him and sig something that he had no idea if it was true. >> i knows the trade numbers. i've talked to him a lot about it. and he does know we are running a trade deficit with virtually every country in the world. >> but he said he didn't know when he said it to trudeau. >> i just looked on the numbers before we came on the air. united states is running a merchandise trade deficit $17 million. most talk about the trade deficit merchandise that includes everything from cars to machinery to food and things like that. now, look, if you want to expand the definition to services and then capital imports, right now
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we run a trade deficit because we actually import capital from the rest of the world, which is good thing. look, i'm not hung up on the trade deficit. i think one of my few complaints with donald trump is i think he's too hung up on the size of the trade deficit. i don't know where you fall on that is correct bob, but i don't think the trade deficit is all that important. >> i think you are trying really hard, our economy is service economy, right. >> that's true. >> technology and services so to say let's leave those out, that's twisting the numbers to try to find a way to have the guy be right. i'm sorry, that's hard to call it any other name. can i go through the numbers? >> sure. >> sarah sanders came out in a tweet to site statistics to prove there is a deficit. did what you did, said goods only, objects only, cars, toys. so she said that's $17.6 3w8 deficit. >> that's right. >> obviously when you add in services h which again is the lion share of the economy, will is a surplus. so running a surplus with
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canada. >> well, that includes things like computer services software things of that nature. look, i think that's fine. i think we shouldn't object cess with the trade deficit issue. but when it comes to these other countries like china, we are running $350 billion trade deficit. so we run a half a trillion dollar trade deficit with the rest of the world right now. so not as if we are exporting anything and not importing stuff, just the opposite. let me make one other point. trump wants to rebuild the industrial base in the manufacturing sector. i disagree with some of the policies but he does wants to bring the jobs back to places where they have been leaving. what are we going to do? bring the jobs back? >> robert. >> what troubles me about all of this, here's a man who ran on sort of isolating america, bringing those jobs back, so to speak, steve, as you just talked
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about. and canada is one of largest trading partner, and here he says to his donor's yesterday i came out with a fact, i didn't even know what the deficit was. i said something, i didn't know about. it's that attitude that the facts don't matter. that facts that are, you know, steve you and i might say bipartisan trade deficit doesn't matter. but in terms of where this man has come from and how he is framing the issues for the american people, it does matter. and to say that he simply made it up for canada, and then for you and i to get into sort of a data match about whether it's $24 billion or $12 billion is really beside the point. >> well, you all will sit here and argue about facts, that's one of the things i think our viewers respect so much about you. and i'll say, steve, i wish the president at least showed that he cared a little more about
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facts. >> i know. >> by the way, who gives a you know what. it's the attitude maybe. >> we are running merchandise trade deficit. as long as i've covered this -- >> services economy. >> i got you on that. >> look, you want me to enter into this thicket here, i'll. the united states trade representatives office, and this is the u.s. dr. this is the group that is negotiating nafta, they say that our trade surplus, it's a trade surplus with canada of $12 billion, that is we have a goods deficit of $12 billion, we have an overall surplus of $24 billion, so if you look at the data, you can see that it's a $12 billion surplus. and why are we getting into this? this is absolutely clear. >> well, if anything, i want to ask you about larry, but i'll make the point before nafta we ran mastiff deficits with canada. >> good point. i like nafta. it's been great. >> even slightly positive or
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negative, nafta has worked. >> you know what, erin, i helped negotiate it. so i'm in favor. i'm very much in favor of it. and i think kudlow is in favor of it. >> that brings me to my question of larry kudlow. he's in favor of nafta. he thinks tariffs are bad raise prices not good for consumers, that's what he said in the past week. now going in hand working for a guy who wants to get rid of nafta and impose tariffs. how is larry kudlow going to stay and do that? >> i don't believe we are going to get rid of nafta. i think we'll renegotiate it. and i think there are things that need to be updated. 20 year trade deal. you served in the clinton cabinet, isn't that correct, and there were things that bill clinton stood for that you disagreed with. look, i know larry and i know donald trump, they agree on 90% of the issues. and on this issue of tariffs rs larry was very clear last week,
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if you are going to have the tariff policy, aim it at the countries enemies like china and russia. and that's pretty much where donald trump has ended up. >> robert? >> what worries me about larry kudlow, honestly, is he's a supply cider beyond even the normal range of reasonable supply siders. larry has not seen a tax he doesn't want to cut. and tax cut predicts a windfall. he has predicted over the past 25 years. you and i know, on his show and debated this, always me against the two of you. and he's always been wrong. >> wait a minute. >> and wants to cut taxes. wait a minute. >> we are out of time. i'd like to say i hope larry will come on -- guys. >> i'm having dinner tonight with larry. i'm going to tell him you both said hello. >> i hope you tell him to come on, to come on and answer all these questions.
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call today. tonight, a crash test of sorts, floated by president trump. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: most people use bowling balls to bowl. though we've also seen people drop them on ax blades, onto iphones, into water buckets. and then there's a certain president who used bowling balls to highlight unfair trade practices against american cars imported to japan. it's called the bowling ball test. president trump said, in a recording the "washington post" obtained, that's where they take a bowling ball from 20 feet up in the air and drop it on the hood of the car. if the hood dents, then the car doesn't qualify. it's the way we're treated.
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it's horrible, which led someone to wonder. >> where did he get this from? >> reporter: twitter had some suggestions, stuff he just makes up. or bowling balls run amok. someone joked, i found the bowling ball test as performed by david letterman. having a guest drop them off the roof. while the internet is having a ball, maybe we should spare president trump so the ridicule, talk about a strike. there is actual video of a safety test performed in japan involving a weight that looks like a bowling ball. some countries have higher standards to protect pedestrians heads when they're struck by vehicles. this hood could reduce impact on pedestrians. but what did the white house say
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about this example? >> obviously, he's joking about their particular post. >> reporter: if that was a joke, their is a gutter ball. one twit earn person said this is the only bowling ball test i need. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> when in doubt, they say he's joking. thanks for joining us, ""ac 360"" begins right now. >> good evening. we begin with a development in the russia investigation that not only takes it one step closer to the president himself but also could take special counsel robert mueller one step closer to danger. he subpoenaed the trump organization itself. he subpoenaed russia-related documents related to the trump organization. it's first we've known involving president trump's businesses. the family finances are a touchy subject
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