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the new york times broke the story it includes russia related documents within the trump organization. it is the first that we have known of mueller demanding documents involving president trump's businesses. remember the family's businesses and finances are a touchy subject for the president. he said so in a conversation with the new york times with michael schmidt. >> is that is a red line? >> i would say yes. >> now, of course, today's subpoena is russia related and not personal but with the trump organization, with personal and business, well, that's a blur. by the phone who shares the by line on the story today with magg maggie haberman. >> anderson, the first time we know of a subpoena for these kinds of documents.

it does not mean it is a first one. this one contains a number of search terms including one. one person pointed out to me that it could be all manner of things related to trump. it do what it does tell us is the probe that the president's legal team had told him would be done by december or soon after he would be cleared not only if it is not ending any time in the next couple of weeks, we are stretching into the summer here. the president being clear is not coming any time soon. this gets into his business. he had told my colleague and me on july 2017 that he would consider mueller going into his personal finances to be acrossing a crossing of a red line beyond the scope of what he's supposed to be looking at.

again, we don't know what this subpoena is searching for but we do know that any subpoena of donald trump's businesses is not going to make him happy. >> is there any reporting on why his attorneys were telling him oh it is going to be thanksgiving or new year that this thing is going to get wrapped up? >> so i think some of it was wish catchy and some was trying to keep the president from popping off at mueller and reacting. a lot of it was trying to keep him calm and making things worse for himself, it clearly worked. he has not lashed out at mueller -- at least publicly. but, publicly he has not done himself damage on that front and that's what they were trying to avoid. >> do we know when the subpoena was issued and why would the special counsel's office, why would they issue a subpoena or

not asking for the documents directly? >> an excellent question. they have made other requests for documents and those have been supplied by all accounts. so it is interesting this is now a more sourceful approach by mueller's account. it does suggest that mueller's investigators think there needs to be an extra layer of force involved. >> you have some reporting that there could be another administration shake up as soon as tomorrow. >> that's true. because it is donald trump, it will be as soon as tomorrow because if he sees all of us reporting this, he's trying to change his mind and just essentially to do the opposite

of what everyone said he would do. what i have been told by several people in the white house is that the president has made up his mind of a number of cabinet officials will not be with him much longer. the question is how much longer? there are a couple of different buckets here. there is the people who are caused him embarrassing headlines buckets which is ben carson and david schultz with reports they have been using taxpayers' money lavishly and then you have john kelly, the chief of staff, who the president have been at odds with. and finally he could not hold the president off anymore from firing tillerson and then there is the security adviser, who the president have been frustrated for a long time. i am not sure if we'll see any change tomorrow. it could be as soon as tomorrow but things are going to move in the coming days and one person

very close to the president told me that there is a desire to lift the band aid off by some people in the white house who thinks the president would be smart to get it all done with at once and would have told him that. >> maggie haberman, thank you. joining us now two lawyerla jeff toeobin, how big of a deal is this? >> this is an irrelevant part. one of the great mysteries of donald trump performance both as a president and a candidate is why he's been so -- of vladimir putin. why did he change the platform or the republican party to make it sympathetic to him. one hypothesis is he has some sort of business relationship

with russia or russians and that's what mueller appears to be looking for, looking for evidence of business connections between the trump organization and russia. that's a perfectly appropriate thing for mueller to look for. he looked for it as a rule teariteaas a rule -- this is well within muller's jurisdictions. >> anne, why would you think he would issue a subpoena rather than asking for the document? >> truthfully it is common in a criminal investigation to issue a subpoena for documents. first, because you want an official mandate that somebody turns over that document. if you send a letter it is voluntary, you can follow up with a subpoena but it is a demand for information. the second is you get all documents that you asked for and

there is no question that you are formally requesting for a certain number of documents. it could be scheduled for a couple of weeks out but it is finite and asking for information within a certain period of time. it is force full and formal and it is a common way that a prosecutor would get information like this in a case. >> carl, regardless of why he did this, there is a sign that mueller is going further which you are not looking into the president's finances. >> of course, this is mueller's charter and this is what he's expected to do. look, if there is nothing there as donald trump and his family mainta maintained, if there is no business activities and donald trump may have been manipulated by the russians willingly or unwittingly. if there is no business dealings

there that looked like some kind of collusions or to get something on trump to make him act the same way. he's got nothing to worry about. he ought to welcome it. it is known by other lawyers in this procedure that for a while that mueller has been very focused on trump, russian dealin dealings in terms of incomes he's gotten from them and loans and taking a hard and critical look at trump's attempt to build a trump tower in moscow. he's constantly airy and michael cohen is his fixer is deeply involved in attempting to make the project happen and suddenly withdrawn and did not work. that's the focus and mueller has had -- the tax return of donald trump and they figure also in

this investigation as they ought to because they provide a partial road map. >> jeff, what we don't know is how far back mueller would want document relating to russians, the trump organization. >> that's true, the scope of this subpoena is very important. in his interview with the new york times, he said that the rered line was any questions or inquiry into his relationships, business relationships except with russia. what's unclear is that whether this subpoena deals with countries other than russia and as you point out the issue of duration is extremely important. you know i did a piece for the new yorkers about trump and russia, trump has been involved with russia and trying to build there since it was the soviet union. he went there in 1987. how far back to go in his relationship with russia is a

very complicated and difficult question and you know i don't mean to falter reporting, it is hard to get this reporting. we don't know if this relates to the 2015 attempt to build trump tower in moscow or if it goes much further back or back to the '80s. >> and anne, do you agree what we were talking about with maggie that this does indicate this special counsel investigation is not coming to a close any time soon? >> i do agree strongly. if you would imagine the special counsel's office you would think of there is a white boards of a lot of different lines of different parts of the investigations and russia is a central part of the investigation. there is this question was there a probe, we have not seen the release of e-mails. i would suspect another lie would be financial involvement and connection to the president

and his organization. so there are a lot of piece that is are still out there that we have reason to believe this would go on for some time. >> let me add one thing. >> numerous witnesses and their lawyers have been telling journalists about how shaken they and their clients have been coming out of the interviews with mueller's investigators because of the depths of mueller's investigators knowledge because of the knowledge they had and questions that's been asking and telling everything they know about other people and they know about other people partly because mueller's people have a million pages of e-mails and documents profded by the white house but more than that by the government services administration. it gives mueller's investigators great knowledge in which to question these witness and say look, you tell us about x, y, or

z because we have here in our hand what is an e-mail from somebody else saying and you bett better let us know what's happening here. this is dealing with russia and trump's income and what did the trump's business organization does in terms on whether or not it operates in that part of the world? >> jeff, to carl's point of all the documents they have, would the white house be aware of the full scope of the documents mueller already has in possession? >> absolutely not. one of the cardinal rules of during a white collar investigation is you don't tell one person what you have seen from other people. i mean the white house obvious linos what documents it had produce and certainly the white house witnesses who have gone into the would be prepared and shown those documents. there is nothing wrong with

that. all of us gets hundreds of e-mails. there is nothing wrong with refreshing your recollection with seeing e-mails that you may not have seen for a year but the white house witnesses would not be told by mueller of what documents would be produced from the trump organization or what is most effective in examining witnesses is showing them documents that they may not know that you have seen. and, you know that is what makes a good white collar investigation. it is very complicated. it is an enormous number of documents often but distill in those, the ones that really does matter, that's what good prosecutors do. >> yeah, jeff toobin and jeff

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meeting that the president talked about was not face-to-face but it was a phone call. they don't remember such conversation actually taken place. like i said, weird. it is important to keep all that in mind as we talk about it because we don't really know who said what and when. we could be fact checking the president's own making. here is what the president said at the fundraiser about the alleged confrontation over trade with canada's prime minister, justin trudeau. >> he's a good guy, justin. he said, "no, no, we have no trade deficit with you, you have none." i said, "well, justin, you do."

i didn't even know. >> the president said i don't know and i had no idea and you are wrong. he did not know the facts so he made them up. it is not like talking trade with the canadian prime minister should have taken president trump by surprise or frankly anything else. they met for the so-called bromance. every president or canadian prime minister have some point argued over one trade issue or another. canada is one of our biggest trading partners. it is one of the few countries which the united states has a trade signatuurplus. it is a fact that the president himself put his signature to. this is the economic report of the president. it is 562 pages long. the money quote as it is on page

228. figure 56 illustrates the distributions of goods and services across the major u.s. of 2016. all countries showing a surplus and offsetting a u.s. deficit. and as we said on page 11, there is the president's signature. so when he spoke with prime minister trudeau, he was unaware of the fact that he only signed two weeks before. justin trudeau is right, the u.s. did not have a trade deficit with canada. here is what the president tweeted this morning. we do have a trade deficit with canada. he does not like saying that canada has a surplus verses the u.s. negotiating but they do. they almost all do and that's how i know. the facts, the president's own facts saying no but it is possible that we are talking about the president's defendant statements that he never

actually made despite him telling the audience it did. by this afternoon, sarah sanders, was feeling questions on this topic. >> are there any time where he's not accurate in terms of the conversation he's having with them. >> the president was accurate because there was a trade deficit. he did not have to look at specific figures because he knew there was a trade deficit whether they got down to the dollar amount or not, there is a trade deficit between the two countries. i don't have the number in front of me but we'll be happy to provide it to you. >> that's not factually correct. as for miss sanders having the info. and provided it, she tweeted it that there is a deficits in goods only and not overall trade. you count everything especially talking to another world leader and making it clear that you are counting everything.

that's a conversation that in fact whether it took place. perhaps, down a rabbit hole, it is worth noting something else the president said last night talking about trade. he talked about one vehicle that met all the requirements except for one. quoting the president here, "they're ready to prove it and they said no, no, we have to do one more test." he's talking about the japanese. the president then explained. that's where they take a bowling ball and drop it on the hood of the car. if the hood dents then the car does not qualify. you know where he's going with this. again, quoting, "the roof dented a little bit and nope, this car does not qualified, yes, it is horrible." no one can figure out what the president was referring to. there is apparently no bowling

ball test. there are count less standards in japan here in elsewhere and you name it. nothing evolving bowling balls and dented hood. here is how sanders is dealing with that fact. >> it illustrates the creative ways some countries are able to keep american goods out of their markets. thanks so much guys, we'll see you tomorrow. >> she was reading that directly from a page. who knows if it will bring. tonight, christiane amanpour is joining us. what message does it send us? >> well, it is actually very troubling because this seems to be part of the president and the white house sort of feeling from the gut policy, you know, he said that many times and also, really troubling because we do

deal in facts and we deal with i am empirical evidence. they expect for him to be fully briefed on major issues of trade as you just mentioned. as we move into potential really hard negotiations, north korea, for instance, iran, the decision whether to pull out of the nuclear deal, you have to know the facts in order to make the wisest decisions. >> well, also one thing for the president to make up facts or some sort of negotiating discussions with the canadian prime minister and essentially lie about the facts and to go in front of an audience and talk about how you lied to the canadian prime minister just seems doubly odd. >> really, look, who knows if you are not the person saying

it. it does sort of bring you again in this situation that we seem to be living in whether it is tweets or these kinds of conversations or recorded conversations or transcripts that the president has had conversations outside the range of cameras and lights. it does sort of sum up an alternative universe. whatever it is, it is a flaunting of the norms and the rules of competent working government. that's the thing that's quite dangerous and mystifying because then you have the white house's press spokespersons going out and having to repeat these things because that's who she works for and she's going to repeat them. as you notice reading from a page on the last one. so, people around the world have kind of fact it in trump factor. you know what he says and

tweets, we are going to focus on what he actually does. it is getting more complicated and everyone on trade, anderson, ten days ago, he decided to slap huge percentage of tariffs on steel, on canada, his closest allies and south korea who he needs for the north korea negotiations and europe. the ones he's trying to hurt, china barely sell any steels to the united states and the next day we have this unraveling of maybe we won't put these tariffs on our allies and then you ask who are you going to put it on. it is sort of this rabbit hole and we are trying to figure out whether it is coherent or policy. at this moment for rex tillerson is being fired, the world is concerned of major issues of war and peace and nuclearization and

the likes. >> kim jong-un does not believe what president trump is saying or south korean allies don't. i am talking about the country's nuclear program, those stakes cannot be higher. >> you got one episode where they don't have all the officials to properly engage in this major negotiations, you know, they got hundreds and hundreds of people should be engaged from the state department and energy department and treasury department to make it work. it is going to take a long time. it is not only if kim jong-un does not believe it. it is what may the president say to kim jong-un giveaway suggests that could be on the table. where is kim jong-un's answer as to this invitation to a meeting? so all these unknowns and by the way what happens now that you have mike pompeo more lik like-minded who's secretary of state and who does not like the

iran deal and much more close to donald trump but hawkish on north korea, how do you navigate these importance and delicates and consequential international negotiations. >> thank you very much. >> do you want to call it executive time or spending hours in front of the television, the president spent a lot of time tweeting of the people on tv. a closer look, coming up next. a, taking over 7,000 steps each day. and she does it in any shoes she wants, with lasting comfort. only dr. scholl's stylish step has insoles that are clinically proven to provide all-day comfort. dr. scholl's. born to move.

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news adviser. >> minutes after his hiring became public, larry kudlow, shares what the president told him. >> you are on the air and he says, look at a picture of you, very hand some. in response to kudlow's hiring, tweeting only the president who views everything through the lens of tv could think larry kudlow is suitable for economic adviser because he's not an economist on any sense of the words but he only plays one on television. >> former fox anchor heather nowart left. nowart was bumped up to the fourth in line despite having no experience in diplomatic affairs. >> in other fox personality could be joining the

administration. he's reportedly running to department of federal affairs that employs just under 400,000 people. he has no experience under health care or management but is an iraq war veteran. >> president trump consults them, too. he dines with fox news personality jesse waters, gossiping about politics and tv. afterwards waters tweeting a picture with the menu and signed by the president. >> i spoke to him about it and this was something very much so on his mind. >> take a look, long look in the muir wrirror mirror. >> the president leans on host shawn hannity for advice. hannity had also advised the president to release a

controversial memo alleging corruption and antitrump biassed by fbi officials investing the trump's campaign. >> this makes watergate like stealing a snicker bar. >> presidential adviser in the age of trump. ran randy kaye, cnn new york. >> an opinion writer for the washington post. larry kudlow may have been more wrong than the economy than anyone alive. milbank is goinjoining us now. >> given how much cable news the president consumes? >> no, it surprises me not at all. it is not just the people on the news that he admires. think about it when asked during the campaign where he got his foreign policy advice and he says the generals that he's watching on television. we wonder which direction we

have been sent on a presidential tweet and we find out that he's watching one of the morning shows and he's reacting to that in realtime. he gets validations from cable news and news in general. i think the idea of having some of these people like kudlow in the white house and administration, means that he can have that validation in realtime and he feels that these people would be able to go out there and see his praises and everybody will believe it. >> obviously, there are people that appear on television that qualifies to do a certain job. the president on television may have any lack of credentials, they may be able to communicate things well for the white house but did not have a background on it. >> certainly there is a lot of experts on television and not everybody on television is an expert and larry kudlow was mentioned he plays an economist

very well on tv. he's not trained as an economist. if you look at what he's done, he's been wrong so consistently and so spectacularly and so much so that people follow his advice six weeks before the crash when he says he sees a beginning of a recovery and you would have lost everything. that's on you if you are watching cnbc and you took larry kudlow's advice and you lost everything. it is a different thing now that he's a top economic advicer to t to -- adviser to the president of the united states. we all go down if he's given the wrong advice. >> before the collapse, he's basically saying nothing to see here and it was turned around. >> it was spectacular. december 2007, he says there is not going to be any recession, he's buying in and it is going to be goldielocks economy.

he was talking about the housing bubble and literally in july, before the september crash, he said nothing to see here that he's beginning to see the signs of recovery in housing. it was not just -- that's the most spectacular economic failure of our time but if you look back at his record, 1993, 2001, 2002, 2009, the same thing -- basically if larry kudlow said this is going to happen, you would have been very wise to place your money on the other whether it is government tax receipts or stock market or where the economy is going. the problem is he says the trump tax cut is going to increase government revenues and be a huge boone to the economy which is the exact thing he said about government revenues of the bush tax cut in 2001. >> it is interesting that the president would replace one

economic adviser who disagree with his agenda with another like kudlow who also disagrees with his agenda. >> that's true. had some disagreements with a secretary of state on a variety of subjects and brought in a secretary of state that's much tougher against russia which is a major thorn of the side of the president. he goes back and forth on this, a week or so agaio he says he likes the idea of disagreements. well, he did not like it that much because that's why gary cohn is gone. he's conflicted on all of this but he does like all the appeal of tv. dana milbank, thank you. coming up, i will speak with cohen's attorney next regarding stormy daniels.

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new information continues to come out of the president's alleged affair. just a note as we said this before bears repeating. we are all adults and you can make those judgments on your own and more about following the money. our interests is the president or his company is involved in trying to keep it quiet. there is more evidence of a connection between the trump organization and that effort documents show that a trump organization lawyer was involved to silence storm ay daniels and ec llc. to keep her quiet before

the election. in a statement the trump organization says it does not have any involvement in the matter except for this one lawyer who was working in her individual capacity facilitating the initial filing. joining me now an attorney on a separate manner. jeff toobin. i want to ask you a couple of things. michael cohen says he did this all on his own and he entered through an agreement through the llc. that he set up for donald trump under the na-- is it unet for michael cohen to enter an agreement on behalf of president trump without informing president trump? >> well, let's get to the agreement itself. the agreement is between

tomorrow my and ec llc. it says and/or. he was representing the llc. it was perfectly legal for michael cohen to represents that llc. and entering the agreement. it was a valid agreement and donald trump -- >> why have david dennison name in there. >> it could be a third party beneficiary to every single contract. that's what happens here. michael cohen is acting in the best interests of his client and his client is a third party beneficia beneficiary. >> does he have to tell his that third party, his bieneficiary that he's entering into an agreement. >> no, he does not have to because he's in-house council.

he was general council to that organization. >> right, you are saying he's general council for the trump organization so he's there for representing donald trump. >> well, he was representing ec llc., that was created to entering into this dpreeagreeme. there was a quick probe and considerations on both sides and now he's going to break that agreement, okay? >> okay, pardon me, i am not a lawyer so i am not as smart as you guys. if he's entering into an agreement for this llc. then why have david dennison on there at all, he's not involved in this llc. and clearly dennison is some where involved in there. that's ethically a problem, is it? >> no, he's a third party beneficiary to this deal. >> so someone can make a contract for me that uses my

name without informing me, someone could do that? >> well, if there is a logical third party beneficiary here, clearly michael cohen was acting of the best interest of the third party. >> my tv agent who has an llc. can make a contract with my name on it? >> this is not a general rule. every set of circumstances is different and in this particular set of circumstances, there was nothing wrong. by the way, the only person that should be complaining about this is dd. if it is unethical, it would be dd under that contract bringing the action. these contracts, non-disclosures -- >> let me bring jeff in. >> i think david is clearly right. there is something illegal that went on here. the question is what did donald

trump know and whether this is a valid, legal agreement. let's look at a different provision of this non-disclosure, section 8.6 which says this agreement when signed by all parties is a valid and binding agreement enforceab enforceable in its terms. dd did not sign the agreement. this is the argument that stormy daniels' lawyer says that's why it is not legitimate under that provision. >> jeffery, it is an/or argument, it is not a valid argument, it is a frivolous argument. dd is not a party to this. that an/or is a key distinction here. it is a valid contract as long as ec llc. signed that contract. these non-disclosures are signed everyday. they are signed by ceos and tv

personalities sign these every single day. >> i am not here as stormy danie daniels' lawyer. when you have a situation where there is a disagreement, you go to court and what stormy daniels' lawyer wants is go to court. he's going to go to court and he's going to take michael cohen's deposition and we'll find out who's right. is that something that michael cohen thinks it is a great idea? god bless. >> jeffery, this case is going to get thrown out. if they don't think it is a valid contract then don't abide by it. this is a valid contract. i can guarantee one thing. michael cohen will not rest when this is all said and done. michael cohen will not rest until he recovers every penny, and punitive damages from

stormy. >> can we talk about the fact that michael cohen paid his own money on this contract. have you heard of something like this happening in the h istory f american laws because i have not. >> that's unusual and i have not heard about that. there is nothing illegal of that. >> we got to take a quick break. up more on this one when we come back. we'll be right back. 24-hour valet e and a boutique salon a place with all day arts and crafts it even has a day spa a place that's so much like home, because well... it is home home instead senior care when you need personalized care in the comfort of home.

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we're continuing discussion about stormy daniels and michael cohen's involvement in paying her $130,000, analysis he created in order to keep her quiet. joining me, david schwartz, michael cohen's friend, attorney in a separate legal matter. cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. so mr. schwartz, just before the break jeffrey toobin was saying have you ever heard of another attorney paying $130,000 taking his loan, allegedly, out of his home equity line of credit in order to pay for somebody in order, for a friend? >> right, i've never heard of an outside attorney doing that. i've never heard of it but it's

certainly not an illegal act. that should be something that's clear. it's not an illegal act to do such a thing, and there are no violations of federal election law here. we have the irrespective test that you apply, and, again, this happens every single day, so if you're doing it -- >> what happens every single day >> -- to protect someone's reputation -- what happens everybody single day? >> a lawyer spend $130,000 of their own money every day? >> no, these nondisclosure agreements are signed into. why are they signed into? to avoid litigation and avoid the embarrassment of the accusation because many times for high-profile people, whether it's ceos or anyone else, the accusation, alone, is devastating. >> so let me ask you, mr. schwartz, michael cohen has said that he did this not as part of the trump organization, even though e-mails he used were from his trump organization e-mail account, which he then would --

in one case forwarded then to his personal account in order to send an e-mail to the then-attorney for stormy daniels then also just yesterday, michael avenatti, attorney for stormy daniels, released an e-mail, basically a signed -- this thing about jill martin, another trump attorney, trump organization attorney, getting involved in setting up this arbitration hearing in los angeles. if michael cohen, why after michael cohen releases a statement saying the trump organization had nothing to do with this, i did this solely, you know, in my -- you know, because i'm a friend of donald trump, would he reach out to a trump organization attorney in los angeles to get involved in the arbitration? >> right. i mean, we have to make very clear the timeline here. so the timeline, as you said, was before the 2016 election when this whole contract was signed. the jill martin arbitration came way after. so this is -- this is a year, you know, more than a year later.

so it doesn't matter what -- >> was it smart to reach out to a trump organization attorney if you're saying it has nothing to do with trump organization, there are plenty of lawyers in l.a. >> you know what, so what, though. so they reached out to jill martin because they needed a local attorney. so they reached out to jill martin. you know, it's a -- also the e-mails, anderson, michael cohen used that e-mail address for every single thing he did. now, a lot of people do that. a lot of people don't realize. on hindsight, you know, should you separate it, it is a better way to go? absolutely. to use the same e-mail, it's not evidence of anything. >> okay. david schwartz, i appreciate you being on. jeff toobin as well. we'll hear from -- >> thank you. >> -- michael avenatti, stormy daniels' attorney in the next hour. more breaking news ahead, robert mueller subpoenaed the trump organization. the question is, has the special counsel crossed the president's red line? more ahead. feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin

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