story go to cnn heroes.com right now. while you're there nominate someone who inspires you, someone you think should be a 2018 cnn hero. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. make sure you have a great weekend. there's a lot of news, i'm sure that's going to be happening over the weekend. happy birthday, stormy daniels. good evening, i'm quoting here. no immediate personnel changes at this time. despite all the reporting from multiple sources close to the president that's what white house chief of staff, john kelly told staffers this morning. you are right, he is the same john kelly whose job itself has reportedly been in jeopardy. and he was talking in part about hr mcmaster whose job may already be done, and in addition, four cabinet secretaries were in the presidential dog house. four, at least. and yes, sources close to the president who are familiar with his thinking had been warning all week a shakeup could be coming. reports are the president is actually enjoying the process,

which is probably more than h.r. mcmaster can say or jeff sessions or david shulkin or ben carson. it's unlikely rex tillerson enjoyed it much. he was fired this week after weeks of speculation. reporting that the president called fake news. tweeting quote the media speculated that i fired rex tillerson or that he would be leaving soon. fake news. we work well together and america is highly respected again. that tweet was around 15 weeks ago. and yes, there really is a tweet for everything. the sheer number of high-profile departures, it's stunning. steve bannon, reince priebus john kelly, michael flynn, rob porter, that rob porter look alike, the mooch, hope hicks, and the list goes on and on. and the president is said to be enjoying this latest installment of will he or won't he, perhaps even stretching it out. today the turmoil dominated the white house briefing. >> what is the president's

reaction to all of these stories? >> has the president or the chief of staff made any insuranc insuranc insurances -- assurances today about what's to come? >> has the president spoken directly to mcmaster, shulkin or sessions to tell them their jobs are safe? >> why is it felt there is still a need for change in the cabinet or among his circle of advisers? >> is it the president himself creating this aura of chaos or turmoil or potential upheaval in the west wing and frankly across the administration? >> for the record, sarah sanders answered the first two questions with variations of no immediate personal changes at this time. she didn't answer the question why there was a need for changes at all. and she answered jeff zeleny's chaos question by saying in so many words, what chaos? but keeping them honest, it speaks to a pair of claims the

president claimed, including one he campaigned on. >> we are going to get the best people. >> we are going to get the best people in the world. we don't want people who are b level, c level, d level. we have to use our best. we are going to use our smartest and our best. we are not using hacks anymore. it's a sophisticated chess match, but i have the best people lined up. you need people that are truly capable. we have to get the best people. >> the best people. so to jeff zelleny's question, why aren't they all still there, sure there's that private jet abuser who was fired and the alleged spousal abuser fired, and after all what national security adviser hasn't lied about russians and turned state's evidence. just a few days ago, the president said that is not a problem. >> believe me, everybody wants to work in the white house. they all want a piece of that oval office. they want a piece of the west wing.

yeah, there will be people -- i'm not going to be specific, but there will be people that change. they always change. sometimes they want to go out and do something else. but they all want to be in the white house. so many people want to come in. i have a choice of anybody. i could take any position in the white house, and i will have a choice of the ten top people having to do with that position. everybody wants to be there. >> like omarosa. keeping him honest, though, even barring any new shakeup, the turnover in this administration is without modern precedent. according to a new study from the bookings institution 43% of the president's staffers quit, switched jobs or been fired. that's double any modern presidency. the number could be growing and being president is hard enough without the turmoil, the turnover, the drama of who's in or who's out. i want to get the perspective of leon panetta and david gergen.

mr. secretary, does it surprise you at all here we are yet again having yet another conversation about yet more chaos in the white house? >> you know, nothing surprises me anymore unfortunately. because you know it appears that this president likes to operate by chaos, and likes to keep staff constantly concerned about whether or not they are going to have a job. i'm not quite sure i understand that. i think stability is a much better course for the white house to take because you are dealing with an unstable world if you have an unstable staff, it makes it that much tougher to deal with that kind of world. >> david, there is an old, i think it's a dorothy parker quote, those born to the storm find the calm very boring.

i mean you worked in the nixon white house. can you just explain what effect instability has on the functions of the executive branch? >> you just reminded me anderson of a friend who went to see president trump and asked him how well are you navigating the storm? and the president turned to him and said, i am the storm. >> is that really true? >> that's what a friend told me. >> wow. >> i was like, whoa. single source, but nonetheless. so, listen, i think leon is absolutely right. if there is calm at the center, if there is steadiness at the center, there is calmness that radiates throughout the whole team. but when there is instability at the center and the president is the storm, that radiates as well. and causes enormous anxiety. people are not focused on getting the job done in the same way. morale goes down of it's very tough. so when james comey, -- so when james comey, the chief of staff reportedly gathered the staff in

his office this morning, we have no immediate personnel changes at this time. immediate, and at this time. underscore those and what they may mean. i mean, why is that reassuring? >> in terms of any possible staff changes if the president is trying to hire advisors who are closely aligned with his world view, i mean that is his prerogative, isn't that what most presidents do, surround themselves with people who support their agenda? >> not necessarily. i always thought that the strongest presidents are willing to have people who come in who may not represent the same viewpoint. i think it's important for presidents not to be surrounded by a bunch of yes men. if you have people that only will say yes to the president, then i don't think the president is going to be well served. i think what the president should get, because most of these issues are tough to deal with, he needs to have different viewpoints. he needs to have different opinions about just exactly how to approach these issues. and he ought to be strong enough to be able to listen to those kinds of views whether he agrees or disagrees with them. that's the way presidents should operate.

that's obviously the way this president doesn't like to operate. >> you know, david, there is this notion now that the president is more confident, that he now feels he understands the job of being president more than he did, than when he first started and that he is starting to rely more on his own instincts. if that's true i would imagine we just expect the chaos to continue. >> oh, i think that's right. he is acting like the people that worked for him earlier were just training wheels and he is now up and running himself and he enjoys iter mo. reportedly by his aides he is happier now than he was when he was surrounded by people who challenged him. i think leon's point is right. i would reinforce it by saying look, it's particularly important to have dissenting voices when you are departing from long standing transitions in american foreign policy or in american domestic policy. somebody ought to be there to help to understand the history behind it, why it was done, whether it's been successful or not, before you make sort of off the cuff kind of decisions with them and do this or that without

regard to all of the wisdom that might be stored up in people who worked in more traditional ways. >> the "wall street journal" reporting that the president and general kelly have, quote, settled on a truce in their words. when you were president clinton's chief of staff did you ever engage in a serious enough battle with him that a truce had to be called upon or settled upon? >> i never had that experience. very frankly, if there is a truce or something that basically says yeah you can stick around for a while anyway, it undercuts your position. i'm not quite sure i understand how john kelly is able to make it from day to day when he's got -- he's got his head under a guillotine. and the same thing is true for h.r. mcmaster. you really need to have a relationship of trust between the chief of staff and the president. they ought to be able to trust each other. and they ought to be able to deal with each other.

and if that falls apart, very frankly, it means that that relationship is not going to work. >> david, just the fact the president told advisors yesterday that kelly was quote, 100% safe, it does feel sometimes like we are witnessing the white house version of survivor waiting for the next person to get voted off the island. >> absolutely, anderson. that's why i think -- to par -- paraphrase macbeth, if it were done to be done, it's best done quickly. if he is going to clean house he ought to do it quickly and reform and tell everybody from now on out, you are safe. this is our team for the next year. that would let things settle down. to have this -- this is what tillerson has gone through, and what mcmaster is going through, lots of leaks coming out of the oval office. >> is it possible he is drawing it out to inflict maximum pain or indecision or get, you know, juice the news cycle in some way?

>> anderson trying to do psychoanalysis on him is beyond me. i don't know. but clearly it's in his dna. he likes the drama. he likes the reality show quality of it. and it's -- i'm not sure anybody is telling him, mr. president it's doing so much damage to your standing, your standing in the world. >> david gergen, secretary panetta, thank you. >> good to be with you. a lot more ahead, the next breaking news in the stormy daniels story. the president's legal team filed a new motion. we've just gotten it, and we're looking over it. we will tell you what it says. also the word from stormy daniels attorney that six other women who have come forward with similar stories about the president, what that could mean. and searching for the answers in the wreckage of the bridge collapse that now claimed six lives. the very latest on "anderson cooper 360." i thought i was managing my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis. but i realized something was missing... me. the thought of my symptoms returning was keeping me

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before a federal judge. on top of that there is new word from her attorney that her story may not be the only one. >> we have been approached by six separate women with similar stories to my client. i want to stress that we have not vetted these stories to any great degree. however, the initial consultations, initial information that we are receiving indicates there are some striking similarities between their stories and that of my client, miss clifford. >> can you say if any of these women have non-disclosure agreements? >> yes. >> they do? >> at least two of them. >> so with that now out there, we should bring in our own legal advice, mark geragos, as well as laura coates. first of all this filing by michael cohen, what does it mean? why the president's team would want to move the case? >> there is usually two reasons.

one you either don't like the state court judge, which it could be in this case. or you want to get it out of the state court and into federal court, which is a common move by usually corporations or large-scale defendants. they feel like they get better justice for them in federal court. the irony here is that trump obviously is the person who appoints federal judges and he does not have any sway over state court judges. the interesting little twist to this, though, is the state court judge could do very little to enforce anything against the executive branch. so it may be a case of be careful what you wish for because now the federal judge, which is called an article three judge will have the authority to order things against donald trump as an executive in the executive branch whereas the state court judge would have had

a lot more trouble enforcing any order she would have made. >> does the move by michael cohen make sense to you? do you think the request will be granted? >> well, they are qualified to do so. remember it has an amount in controversy limit. essentially, in order to get to federal court you have got to show people are from different states. diversity. also the amount they are going to be seeking is worth a federal court judge's time. that's $75,000. we already know based on the filings of michael avenatti, on behalf of stormy daniels that $10,000 seems on the the base. and you are talking about $1 million per breach of that claim, we are above that particular amount in controversy. but it also makes sense because ironically they also moved last week to try to get it out of state court to a different judge who was not considered to be a front-runner for a federal judgeship on behalf of donald trump. but it makes sense because they are going to have the benefit of a judge who does not have the same docket as a state court

judge has. will probably have more time. and also federal courts are notorious on deciding things on what's called the pleadings, the papers, without having to have all the hearings. if there is a clear-cut case, they can decide it without having to be in a lot of hearings. >> we haven't heard from michael avenatti, we think he's flying, we're going to try to get him in this hour. is this something he would agree to or would there be a reason why he would want to keep it in the state court? >> i think michael will probably -- once you remove it, the defendant has a right to remove it. then it's up to the plaintiff -- or the opposite side, i should say, to come in and contest that. my guess -- my inclination would be is that he would probably contest it. but he's going to wait and see who he draws in the central district. in fact we may already know that and i'll take a look when you go to the next break. when i say draw, know who the federal judge is.

a lot of times that's how the decision is made. >> whether an attorney has experience with that particular judge or the reputation of that judge, what kind of a ruling they think they may get? >> correct. there is certain -- unfortunately one of the things in the law is that all judges don't decide things based truly on the law. there seems to be idiosyncrasies with a lot of judges, certain judges lean to the defense, certain judges lean towards compelling arbitration. there is a lot of factors that go into whether or not you would contest this. most of that will be a determination based on who the judge is. >> michael avenatti has claimed that there are six additional women who have come forward. he said he hasn't fully vetted what their stories are. he says he believes two have ndas. is it possible they could all use the same legal argument to try to get out of them, or would that all sort of ride on how

similar the contracts were to the one that stormy daniels signed, if they're similar at all? >> it's the latter. what he is trying to do is get the claim of stormy daniels to the court of public opinion. that can work if you are following the news but not as much to a judge. if a judge is looking at the central issue here, number one, can stormy daniels, not the other six women who haven't been fully vetted and two of which may or may not have similar non-disclosure agreements, is there anything that allows stormy daniels to speak. what it seems as though they're trying to do here is, listen, if there is an overall theme where the court is never going to try to enforce a contract that is against public policy that includes whether or not there is a contract to do hushing of broken federal law, which would be campaign finance in this issue. if there is an overall theme where that is the effort and you have additional proof of an mo that says we have got more than one person they have tried to silence. they all exceed the threshold of

the $2700 mark for campaign finance and they are not disclosed, well they are trying the build all of that as a way of saying if a court doesn't buy the non-signature argument as to why it's voided, if the court doesn't buy what michael cohen is saying. then it may be contrary to public policy by virtue of the strength in numbers. it is an uphill battle. that's why the judge is so important. and why raising it to the federal court raises the stakes to this litigation. >> obviously, if six other people come forward they have to be vetted carefully. as you know as somebody who gets a lot of publicity with clients anybody can come forward with any claim. >> come to my office one day and see how many inquiries i got on an average day. half of whom are 5150, which is a danger to themselves or others.

anybody can claim anything, and you do have to vet it. the problem is i don't think you are going to get to the point in federal court where any federal judge, at least in the central district here, is going to start letting you make this into a dog and and pony show. and remember, most judges have an inclination to take something if there is an arbitration or an agreement for arbitration to compel arbitration. the reason for that is it's one less thing on their docket. especially here in the central district where the judges are overworked. >> i just got a statement from michael avenatti and i want to read it. i'm reading it as i've been handed it. he says this is simply more of the same bullying tactics from the president and mr. cohen. they are now attempting to remove this case in order to increase their chances that the matter will ultimately be decided in arbitration behind close doors. they will on this effort at every turn. they want to hide the truth from

the american people. we will oppose this at every turn. he went on to say the sitting president is trying to get damages from an american citizen, it is not precedented in our history. we are not going away, we will not be intimidated by these threats, laura. >> it is not bullying if you are able to avail yourself to the courts. what it comes down to, honestly, stormy daniels, aka, stephanie clifford, entered into a contract that was not favorable to her. they have tried a number of ways to say it's void or voidable and don't want it to be enforced. a lot of ways to go about that. if it is a valid contract a court is not going to second-guess her own decision to enter into that contract. what you are seeing here is frankly a litigant who is saying i have every right to avail myself of arbitration, because that was what was agreed to in the court. that was what was agreed to in the contract.

and i don't need a court to second-guess this because it is not for a court to figure out if either had the benefit of the bargain. all it takes is a meeting of the minds. to suggest it's bullying to engage in civil litigation is more of a hyperbole than anything else. but his point is well taken because it's all betting on the court of public opinion in many ways to say why is the president of the united states so averse to this particular person speaking? what is he trying to hide? that innuendo is powerful persuasion in the court of public opinion. but i doubt it actually persuades the court to say whether or not this was a good contract or one that you just don't like anymore. >> well, stormy daniels -- >> there's also -- >> mark, go ahead. >> i was just going to say there is also one other added thing. and this may be of some interest to you. there may be a thought that they have got a federal court now and that the federal court may be more -- at least open to the idea of enforcing or trying to

prohibit "60 minutes" from airing the interview. >> do you think the federal court -- >> that's something to consider as well. >> do you think the federal court might try to stop "60 minutes" from airing that interview? >> i think that they may request the federal considerate to do it. i don't think the federal court would ever do it. but i think their calculation is if they go to federal court they have got a better shot at that to borrow laura's thing on the paperwork but they would have to come head-long into prior restraint. my theory is, if they are going to make a move that way they are better off doing it in federal court than with a judge in state court. >> mark, just from a publicity standpoint wouldn't the president of the united states, and his attorney attempting to stop stormy daniels from speaking on "60 minutes" -- would that not just garner more attention for the interview, which is scheduled for not this sunday but the following sunday? >> well, this is a president who knows a lot about ratings. it certainly would increase the

ratings number one. but all of this effort for stormy daniels, the cynic in me believe that is there has got to be some documentary evidence that they are deathly afraid of getting out. i don't know whether that's texts, a selfie, whether it's video, what it is. or a story that comports with some other story that's already out there. there's some reason behind why they are expending so much effort on this. because, frankly, they would have been better off just letting this thing go by the wayside and dealing with it and letting her -- kind of sweeping it under the rug. all they have done is create traction to this case. >> i should point out i conducted the interview with stormy daniels that will be on "60 minutes" on march 25th. appreciate it. thank you very much. this story and the potential of more like it raises obvious questions about how it's affecting the first lady seen here with the president at an event with ireland's prime minister. she hasn't spoken about stormy daniels and has stayed out of the public eye since the news broke.

in any case, this is not her first time having to decide what to say or not to say after her husband makes news. randi kaye now takes a look. >> do you think the president is watching right now? i like to imagine him -- >> i don't want to imagine him. >> reporter: stormy daniels may be speaking out but melania trump certainly is not. despite the porn star's claims she had an affair with donald trump, the first lady remained silent on the matter. in fact, soon after the story broke, melania trump canceled a previously announced trip to davos, switzerland with her husband, quietly visited the holocaust museum in dc and made an unexplained solo trip to mar-a-lago. the white house telling cnn, the first lady is entitled to some privacy. instead of the vulgar headlines and talk of hush money mrs. trump has remained focussed on her duties as first lady and at least at times keeping her distance from the president. the stormy cloud hung over the president's state of the union

address with the first lady arriving separately from the president. a break with long standing tradition. that was january 30th. and the first couple hadn't been seen together at an official public event since new year's eve. weeks later, in mid february, news of another alleged affair from 2006 with a former playboy play mate. trump denied it but as the couple broke heading to mar-a-lago the first lady took her own motorcade to andrews air force base. where she met her husband on air force one. that same month mrs. trump appeared briefly with the president after the shooting in parkland, florida. and she also went along on a day trip to ohio though she skipped his speech instead taking a motorcade to cincinnati children's hospital. the couple met up again on board the flight home. reports that stormy daniels received a payoff reportedly blind sided the first lady which

may explain her low profile. still this was hardly the first time she's had to deal with her husband being accused of cheating or inappropriate behavior. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. i just start kissing them. >> reporter: she was quick to dismiss that whole saga as mere boy talk. >> he was lead on like egg on from the host to say dirty and bad stuff. >> reporter: she defended her husband again when multiple women came forward accusing him of kissing and groping them. mr. trump has denied it all. >> i believe my husband. i believe my husband. did i ever check the background of these women? they don't have any facts. >> reporter: facts may be just what melania trump is waiting for before she breaks her silence again. randi kaye, cnn, new york.

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actually know what the accusations are. the office of inspector general's report hasn't been made public. while we are reading different reports that andy mccabe is potentially accused of not having appropriate candor during the course of an investigation, there is no allegation out there that's of a more serious nature. for example, there is other senior executives, that they were involved in some kind of criminal violation or something, then that would trigger them being fired and losing their pension. the other problem in addition to the investigation is the time line. and that gets to josh's point as to the politics of all of this, which is that the president has tweeted about andy mccabe last december specifically about this issue. but dating back to last july. and so i think there is real questions depending on if they really go through with this firing. there is real questions about when the internal investigation started, what the time line of the office of inspector general

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if that narrative is allowed to bake in after he's fired and you see people out there dancing on his professional grave, i think that would be a disservice. i think we need answers from the attorney immediately. >> josh, in terms of pensions, we had a former attorney of the trump white house on the other night who said, look, he's a federal employee, there are systems in place that he can appeal to in order to actually get his pension, that it's very unlikely even if he was fired instead of retiring that he would lose his pension. do you know that to be the case? >> i don't know that to be the case, but that adds to the puzzling nature of this. because even as of yesterday it was reported that mccabe was over at the department of justice trying to plead his case. we don't know, is this part of the normal process for anyone in this situation, was he allowed to go through that process. or was this a rush job? if the department of justice or fbi used his retirement calendar in this calculation, i think that's highly inappropriate.

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as you know, members of the u.s. intelligence committee concluded that russia meddled in the presidential election. that you know by now. there are new accusations by the united states government that russia also targeted other american institutions, everything from power grids to nuclear plants and the water supply. the threats to the country are all coming to light without much comment at all from the president or the podium. look at what sarah sanders said just yesterday. >> is putin is friend or a foe of the united states? >> i think that's something that russia is going to have to make that determination. they are going to have to decide whether or not they want to be a good actor or a bad actor. i think you can see from the actions we have taken up until this point we are going to be tough on russia until they decide to change their behavior. >> joining me now, chairman of the human rights foundation, former world chess champion, and the author of "winter is coming by putin why vladimir putin and the enemies of the free world must be stopped."

when you hear sarah sanders not willing to say whether vladimir putin is a friend or a foe, what sort of a message do you think that sends? >> i recommend she checks her political vocabulary or stop watching fox news. >> the answer is clear. >> it insults my intelligence. it's so obvious. putin keeps doing the same things. the current occupant of the oval office, by the way, as the previous one, they deny the fact that for many years putin is at war with the united states. it is a hybrid war, putin is a kgb guy, he knows he cannot afford direct confrontation with the united states but he is good at clandestine operations. and he keeps poking, looking for weaknesses, and so far he's succeeding create ing chaos and dividing this country. >> it's been called an information war. and yet these new reports on russia targeting nuclear power plants, grids, even the water supply, that should come as no surprise.

>> dictators never ask why, it's always why not. so in 2006, putin killed kgb, i'm sure under direct putin command ordered killed a former agent in london using poison. it was a nuclear attack on the united kingdom. nothing happened. for putin, another attack recently was a demonstration of the weaknesses of the western governments, the democratic governments. >> and also a demonstration of his reach? >> exactly. two things. one is he sends a message to russian elite in russia basically saying look i'm so powerful they are afraid, they do nothing. but second one, he is sending message abroad for all russians considering cooperation with mueller investigation, you are not save. crippo, and his daughter. and today we got news another russian who immigrated to london

was murdered, and now police is investigating killing by strangulation. >> do you think the kremlin actually fears repercussions from the u.s.? >> fears is the wrong word because so far putin saw very little. it's always too little, too late. >> i mean there were sanctions passed that the white house didn't enact. >> but they were too weak, and putin as every dictator reaching a certain point he cannot go back. even if he has a weak hand using the poker analogy he will keep raising the stakes, even though he is bluffing. that's the only way to demonstrate he is invincible. even if he is weak, he knows from history that he will be dealt with by his own cronies. >> can i ask you a personal question. do you worry about your safety? i mean, you speak out, you travel, you -- >> would it help? today we had just on broadway in one of the theaters we had a conference called putin con. >> like comicon, but putin com.

>> yes, so you could see video. and we had 20 speakers from six countries. range -- the author of the book, collusion, some of the russian experts. one sent a message from moscow. >> it was basically all about vladimir putin? >> his past, his present, and revealing all aspects of his criminal rule, his killings, his wars, rise to power, and, of course, cyber attacks and hybrid wars. of course we have a lot of security. thanks to n.y.p.d. for extra security. we had 500 people listening to such a provocative material about putin's crimes. that could be a potential target. and we refuse to accommodate any russian press that somehow is connected to kremlin because we don't believe it's press. it's more of a propaganda machine. coming back to your question about myself. what can i do? i live in new york. i can tell that you for many

years people kept asking me why when i had to leave russia i chose new york not london. they are not asking anymore. >> right. >> and i just do whatever i can to be cautious. but then also understand that's the -- it might not be enough. >> was that why you chose new york? >> new york was the most natural place where i believed it was most difficult for putin and his cronies to reach. >> it's interesting, you know, during the campaign, then candidate trump said, talking about radical islam, that in order to defeat an enemy you have to name it. and was critical of president obama for not using the term radical islam. it's an arguable point. yet, president trump has not gone -- has not really said anything negative about vladimir putin. >> which is amazing. nothing. he can blame anybody. his tweet spares no one. >> he's been tougher on jeff sessions -- >> exactly. from his own party. what a surprise. it's a mystery that he never

mention vladimir putin. i think yesterday on the cnn website there was a statement from the senior official from the state department blaming putin by name but anonymously. what kind of world living in if the senior official from the state department is afraid to reveal his name criticizing vladimir putin? >> and vladimir putin hears that. he pays attention to that. >> he looks at trump, if nothing comes from the oval office he doesn't care about the rest. for him it's me and trump and the rest is irrelevant. and i think he is maybe somewhat right because trump did everything in his power to soften the blow and protract the agony of the sanctions and making sure that the people mentioned there under sanctions or entities, it's small fish. i wouldn't say they're redund t redundant, but it's a too little, too late and it's almost an insult for the congress that demanded much more comprehensive sanctions >> i appreciate you being on.

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i absolutely love this community. once i moved here i didn't want to live anywhere else. i love that people in this community are willing to come together to make a difference for other people's lives. together, we're building a better california. with the death toll now climbing to six, there's breaking news in the collapse of that pedestrian bridge in miami. ntsb investigators have just put out word that crews were working on posts on the north end of the structure when the bridge actually collapsed. so there's no word on whether that led to the tragedy or even contributed to it. additionally florida's department of transportation said that a lead bridge engineer left a voicemail on tuesday warning of cracking along the span. sadly that voicemail was not discovered until just today. more now from cnn's kaylee hartung. >> reporter: there are no survivors left in the wreckage though at least eight cars and an unknown number of bodies remain buried underneath the rubble. >> we'll continue to remain on

scene. we'll continue to work in order to get all of these victims removed. >> reporter: officials detailed the difficult task ahead. >> we need to bring other equipment, so that's going to be here on the scene, to start to remove these pieces, trying to make the pieces smaller and more controllable. once we break that large piece apart, then we'll be able to start pulling it off. so it's going to be very tedious. >> reporter: recovery workers are using heavy machinery to move sections of concrete so they can reach the victims. most victims have not yet been named but "the miami herald" has confirmed one florida international university student, alexa duran, was among the six people who died. just days before the collapse, the newly erected bridge was celebrated as a safe alternative for pedestrians. months earlier, a university student was killed while trying to cross the highway. how and why this supposedly safe alternative caused such a deadly collapse is under investigation. >> we want to get to the bottom of -- the bottom line of what occurred so that we can bring

closure to the families, bring closure to the investigation, and so that it doesn't happen again. >> reporter: little is known about what construction was happening at the moment of collapse. just after visiting the site, florida senator marco rubio tweeted, the cables that suspended the miami bridge had loosened. they were being tightened when it collapsed, but officials can't say that for sure. >> we have not confirmed that there was a stress test. we've heard that just as you have, and that will be confirmed. >> reporter: meanwhile, questions swirl around louis berger, one of the firms the university used to conduct a secondary review of the build. florida transportation released in its official findings that the firm was not pre-qualified for the service. louis berger released a statement saying it was not involved in the construction of the bridge. >> all of our contractors are fully certified and we believe that the team in question was fully certified. fiu does not work with contractors who are not fully certified.

we're a state institution. we follow state policies and procedures. >> reporter: anderson, nearby kendall regional medical center received ten patients yesterday following the bridge collapse. they tell us two were in critical condition. the rest in stable. we know of at least one person who has already been discharged from the hospital, but here at the site of the bridge collapse, the priority continues to be recovering the remains beneath that bridge and the most dignified and respectful manner possible. >> just horrific. kaylee, appreciate it. up next, are there more white house departures on the way? the latest from washington in a moment. when did you see the sign? when i needed to jumpstart sales. build attendance for an event.

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