vice president's feet and he'll chew on his socks. >> reporter: but in the gay version marlin and wesley bypass the socks in pursuit of each other. jeanne moos, cnn. >> weave to get some sleep, marlin. tomorrow we leave our bunny moon. >> jim comey, that's now on our amazon top. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight keeping them honest with the president's recent acs aimed at undermining thein institutions he believes threaten him. it's president trump's go to move and has been datic back to the campaign. when a person stantsds in his way he seeks to diminish or otherwise dirty up that institution. which is one thing when you're calling a gossip columnist from

trump tower. when lawmakers choose not to use the power that voters have given them to address that danger. republicans mostly who have chosen only to talk about it, not act. and that's where we are tonight. jeff sessions friday night had just fired andrew mccabe, the acting deputy director who was about 26 hours short of retirement. the inspector general report has yet to come out. what followed the president's firing is the president of the united states for all intents and purposes doing a victory dance oman's professional grave. andrew mccabe fired, he tweeted late friday night. a great day for democracy. san sanctimonious james comey was his boss. shortly after that the president's lead personal attorney called for actor

attorney general rod rosenstein to follow up on what we called the brilliant and courageous firing of mccabe. and with that the president was off to the races for the first time attacking mueller by name. saturday evening he tweeted the mueller probe should have never been started in that there was no collusion and no crime. it was based on fraudulent activities and a fake dossier. according to a fact check by "the washington post" 13 of these 17 members of mueller's team have previously registered as democrats while four had no affiliation or their affiliation cannot be found. robert mueller is a republican as is rosenstein and james comey. the biggest donor to democrats to the team attorney james

quarrels also gave to republicans jason chaffetz and charles allen. in any event attempting to undermine the legitimacy of investigators, it isn't be surprising. he's been undermining the larger institution now for months. >> well, it's a shame what's happened with the fbi, but we're going to rebuild the fbi. it'll be bigger and better than ever. but it is very sad when you look at those documents, and how they've done that is really, really disgraceful. and you have a lot of angry people that are seeing it. it's a very sad thing to watch, i will tell you that. >> that was back in december, and the partner of course continues. today he brought in a new member of his legal team joseph dejenva who you might remember pushing some conspiracy theories. >> they tried to frame the president with a false russian

conspiracy and they plotted to ruin him as a candidate and then destroy him as a president. >> which is essentially the president's complaint. the investigation of his campaign, his administration is a reflection and in fact the case all the indictments and guiltiy pleas notwithstanding but on the very corruptions of the organization investigating him. the system he says is rigged, and you might have heard that before. >> the process is rigged. this whole election is being rigged. and watch the polls because this is part of the crooked system. it's part of the rigged system i've been talking about since i entered the race. i understand it. it's a rigged system. they put out phony polls. i'm afraid the election is going to be rigged, to be honest. >> minus any actual evidence all because one candidate at one moment in time was afraid of

losing. part of a pattern just as it was with another institution the press which literally made donald trump famous. >> the media is literally in a word, one of it greatest of all-times i've come up with is fake. perhaps other people have used it over the years but i've never noticed it, and it's a shame. and they really hurt the country because they take away the spirit of the country. >> now president and candidate trump unlike any since nixon really has tried to delegitimize the press and the intelligence community. he first cast doubt on and cast off his secretary of state and has presided or a bloodbath in diplomatic. >> i am disappointed in the attorney general. he should not have recused himself almost immediately after

taking office, and if he was going to recuse himself he should have told me after taking office and i would have quite simply picked someone else. >> the question is do the nonpoliticals at the fbi, the justice department get a look at this and get a message that they are submersive and are the president's new attacks on robert mueller really surprising. >> it's pretty clear that there are no conversations or discussion about removing mr. mueller. at the same time there has been no collusion. the president has said multiple times. obviously i think what you guys have seen is well-established frustration on behalf of the president. more than a year this has been going on. he believes this is the biggest

witch hunt in history, but again i refer you back to statements that the president is not moving to get rid of robert mueller. >> well, the president's tweets belie that. more importantly so does his long-standing pattern of behavior and so does the reaction of fellow republicans who warn it is dangerous or even political to fire mueller. on top of all that there's breaking news on about any interview with director mueller the president may eventually submit to. congressman himes, when you look at these criticisms from the president do you think he's laying ground work to fire mueller? >> you know, i very much worry about this. we've seen this partner over and over again which is you get the denial right up to the moment it happens. it might be the firing of jimz comey or the firing of

tillerson. they're always prefaced by tweets primarily. and as much as i appreciate the staff members at the white house saying there are no plans to fire mueller, i think it's well-established at this point that the staff doesn't know what the president is going to do during executive time in the morning when he's watching tv and has fingers on a tweet. the white house stories are going to be believed that tillerson got fired by twitter without much consideration. so i don't put a lot of stock in the notion there aren't conversations at this point. >> at last news i think he tweeted out it was fake news and now we know he's hiring out a new lawyer. what do you think his hiring signals given the conspiracy theories he's pedalled in the past about the mueller investigation? >> when you listen to this new attorney conspiracy theories are exactly right.

and all i can surmise is this president is looking to surround himself not with what tray gowdy had said, if you're innocent act it but i think he's looking for people who would buttress his ideas. >> senator lindsey graham over the weekend said if the president were to fire mueller it would be quote, the beginning of the end of his presidency. is there any appetite you're hearing from your republican colleagues to take special measures to protect the special counsel? >> no, there isn't. and the dynamics are very clear. almost all of my republican colleagues recognize if someone were to do the courageous thing and say we're completely unacceptable, as much i admire the president i would support the special counsel's office. so the politics right now are

such. and i'm not usually a pessimist but the politics are such i'm not sure you would see a reaction from the republican congress. >> lastly, what is the status of the final house intelligence report on russian meddling and will that be part of that report or a separate democratic document? >> well, it's fluid still, anderson. but we are supposed to meet this week to vote on the release of this report. i understand that may happen thursday. i imagine that may be a party line vote. i have read the report in its entirety. i don't think it's a fair document. i think it's full of factual errors. and of course there's the process of declassification. that could take weeks if not months to convert this reporting to something that could be issued publicly. >> in a moment we'll talk to a member of the house judiciary committee but first our own john

dean, gloria borger and investigative reporter. >> pamela brown have discovered that for the first time in a long time the two sides of mueller's team and president trump's legal team sat down last week. and what they discussed really added some granulerity to what mueller interested in. this time for instance we learned the prosecutor said they would and about attorney general jeff sessions involvement in the comey firing and what the president actually knew about national security advisor michael flynn's phone calls with russian ambassador kislyak. that was in late september 2016. so you can imagine that this was not sort of welcome news from the president, and it really

makes it clear that mueller's team is not wrapping up their investigation. >> i mean it's interesting. the president's tweet -- this weekend's tweet, the statement by john dowd and now the addition of dejeneva, what do you make of it? >> i think it was one of those trial balloons that fell flat. and i think it reflects that the strategy may be moving into a new phase. you have an increasingly agitated president. we've reported that he's calling friends and he's upset and he thinks his lawyers got it wrong. and he wants to know how to fight back. dejeneva is a former u.s. attorney who's very aggressive. john dowd has been let's cooperate, let's cooperate, let's cooperate. so i think this takes us into a new phase. and the president clearly wants to start punching. >> do you think the president is laying the ground work to

dispute the conclusions or laying the ground work for the mueller firing? >> the people i talk to him who know him best believe he's determined to shutdown this investigation, to ultimately see that mueller is fired. but more than that, that there is no report that really goes to heart of his conduct, trump's conduct, the conduct of his family, the conduct of his business organization. he wants this to go away on his terms. he says this as part of a great battle in this cold civil war going on in this country today. and this is a great battle about the survival of this presidency from his point of view, and he knows it. and he is waging a scorched earth battle to make sure he prevails here with his base and that the republicans in congress particularly inspired and held hostage to some extent by the base hold the republicans in

congress to the fire. >> occasionally we raise the specter of what president nixon would have done with twitter. are you surprised the president actually started going after mueller by name? >> i am not. i think what we're witnessing is a very public obstruction of justice. he, as i see it, has already exceeded everything that nixon did. he's really much more intimately involved than nixon ever was in a cover up. nixon in the first eight months of watergate just learns a little bit now and then from his chief of staff. he's not really in it. it's later when things get hotter that he gets hands on. but trump from the very beginning, he's involved in this. and so i see a very different profile, and the big difference being nixon was behind closed doors or everyone was surprised when there were recordings of it. trump is right out front on it, and he's dealing with it

publicly. >> that's a pretty stunning statement that i want you to have repeat that you're saying in your opinion donald trump has gone farther than richard nixon did to obstruct justice. >> that's exactly what i'm saying. i think trump is nixon on steroids and stilts. >> carl, i've got to get you in. do you agree with that? >> i think there is no question that he has presided over a cover up from day one. the question is what is the criminality of the cover up that he is presiding over and that's why we have a special prosecutor. but there's no question whatsoever that he has sought at every turn -- look at the lies he has told from the beginning. he has rarely been truthful about any matter involved in the whole russia investigation. tray dowdy has got it exactly right. mr. president, if you are innocent including of collusion why are you acting the way you have been acting?

and so his only recourse in what we are seeing now is to go to his base and get them exercise that this is witch hunt, which it is not. this is a legitimate investigation. and really if there were a witch hunt going on there are plenty of provisions that after this investigation is over, if it is allowed to run its course there ought to be any serious punishment should happen for malfeasance or misfeasance including going to jail for investigators of the fbi or the special prosecutor's office who abused their authority. but that's not where we are. i've got to get a break in. later word that a major american city austin, texas, is now under attack from what authorities call a serial bomber with bomb number four. whoooo.

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telling his advisers privately. there's no secret here he happens mueller gone. i mean, they are holding him back but he wants him gone. so the question when you talk to attorneys you talk to people who say, a, he's allowed to fire these people. and b, he's not quietly -- you can obstruct in public i presume, but he's doing this very publicly. there may be other things he's doing that we obviously don't know about and that is what mueller is looking into, particularly in these questions, for example, about what trump knew about general flynn's conversations with mastercard kislyak, did trump try to cover that up when he said he first learned about those conversations from the vice president mike pence? so this has to unravel here. >> john dean, i mean when president trump uses the term witch hunt, i mean i talked about this with carl woodward, nixon sees witch hunt insides

say. what parallels do you draw, and president trump when he see michael wolf's book goes into a rage when he sees it on tv, but what parallels do you see here? >> i tweeted that when i saw that headline, too. what i saw is one is public and the other private. the obstruction statute, if you're looking at the criminal law is an endeavor statute. and all you have to do is have a corrupt motive and corrupt intent and make overt acts towards that intent and you're on the wrong side of that law. it's not very hard. trump is going to be judged not only that but on a political standard. if i look at the impeachment nixon was held up to, you'll see right now trump is far more aggressive than nixon in that m

impeachment. >> you have dowdy saying president trump is not acting -- compared to the majority of others who are. >> the terrible thing is republican parties have been craven throughout this administration saying we believe in the rule of law above partisan and ideological politics. the result is this president is taking the country headlong towards a constitutional crisis. that's where those around him once again believe he's willing to provoke a constitutional crisis. he's willing if need be perhaps to face impeachment because he does not want the truth to come out about what has occurred here. and it's not just about obstruction. there are suggestions in what we've seen so far from the indictments and other information there may well have been collusion.

we don't know what level it rises and whether it rises to the level of donald trump or his family. but certainly the special prosecutor is putting dots together. and why we should believe at this point donald trump when he says there's been no collusion, when everything else practically that he has said in this matter has been shown to be false, goes back to tray's statement, act like an innocent person and say i'm an open book, have the investigation run its course and when it's finished there ought to be an investigation into the investigators because they've abused their power. if indeed the investigation is allowed to go offorward and the facts to come out. he doesn't want the facts to come out because so far we've seen they are very, very damnic about his conduct. >> this is so interesting. he has said i want to testify. i'll be happy to testify before the special counsel. what are his lawyers doing right

now? they are trying to narrow that testimony if they let it go on at all to fit through the eye of a needle. because they do not want the president to answer multiple questions because they think he might lie. and so you have a president saying i've got nothing to hide, as carl was saying he's saying that. except that's not how they're behaving. so what he's trying to do is discredit mueller. because if you discredit mueller than he can say why don't i sit down with that guy? he has no credibility. the fbi has no credibility. this has been a witch hunt all along, and then he can take that to his base, and he can take that to voters. and he can say, you know, i really wanted to, but why would a cooperate with an investigation that's completely corrupt? >> gloria borger, carl beurn at the scene, thank you very much. mercedes-benz glc...

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a company that the trump campaign used is under scrutiny tonight as is facebook after a bombshell report that the company cambridge analyta secretly collected information on facebook users. >> the data firm hired by donald trump's presidential election campaign used seecretly obtaine information from tens of millions to directly target potential voters. and according to a whistle-blower now coming forward the entire operation centered around deception, false grass roots support and a

strategy that seemed to border on electronic brainwashing. >> the idea to politically weapon nize data taken from facebook users came from the vice president and former trump campaign aide steve bannon. >> steve bannon wanted weapons for his culture war, and that's what he wanted. and we offered him a way to accomplish what he wanted to do, which was -- which was change the culture of america. >> reporter: the personal facebook data came at first from people who were paid to fill out a personality test through an ad. what tay didn't know were the researchers could penetrate not only their personal data but then exploited a loophole to access their friend's data. and from that they built psychological profiles of 50 million facebook users. facebook now says it was misled, told the information would only be used for academic research.

instead it was downloaded by a company that worked with cambridge analytica. listen to how the ceo describe that work. >> by having hundreds and hundreds of thousands of americans take that survey we were able to form a model to predict the personality of any single american in the united states of america. >> reporter: cambridge analytica claimed their entire enterprise was funded by the political funded mercer family. and people inside the firm said the data did indeed then help candidate trump shape his strategy and according to "the new york times" which then helped break the story, quote, cambridge included a variety of services that included designing target audiences for digital ads and fund raising appeals. modeling voter turn out and determining where mr. trump should travel to best drum up support. >> christopher wily says it's

time for facebook to become clean and cambridge to be politically outed. >> we were looking at things like draining the swamp, imagery of laws and how people engage with that concept. we were looking at suspicions about the deep state. we were looking at all kinds of things in 2014 would have sounded slightly fringe or crazy for any political candidate to geon. but what we were finding were cohorts of americans who really responded to some of these things and this all got fed back to steve bannon. >> facebook announced today it would launch an internal audit with cambridge analytica. i understand that's already run into problems. >> the ozteres from facebook were there when they were told basically to stand out. the u.k. information commission wants to do its own

investigation, a government investigation, announced it was seeking a warrant and basically told facebook investigators to stand down, get out. >> at this point is any u.s. government entity investigating what happened? >> it's very partisan with the u.s. we're getting mostly reaction from democrats. senator ron widen of oregon sent a very pointed letter, anderson, to mark zuckerberg turning the attention to faceback itself. very important questions asking how this could have happened, what facebook is going to do to protect people's privacy in the future and it looks like there's pressure building to bring mark swr zuckerberg to capitol hill to answer these questions. coming up next we're joined by the house intelligence of the judiciary. i have no clue. we're just tv doctors. if this was a real emergency, i'd be freaking out. we are the tv doctors of america.

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again, the breaking news despite a task on the special counsel his team and the president's team are talking, discussing topics investigators might and the president. meantime reaction to the andrew mccabe firing. a republican member to the house judiciary committee says it was wholly justified. as we've reported the president spent the weekend tweeting not only about mccabe but special counsel mueller and his team, once again raising the specter

he set his sights on firing him. councilman, do you believe robert mueller should be fired, and you don't believe the president should be the one to do it. >> i think it would create a series of conflicts. i think this is the job of the attorney general because there's been no evidence of collusion produced by the special counsel and there's been a house finding i think the attorney general would be rights to renounce his recusal to re-establish command of the department of justice and then to give bob mueller a time period to produce the evidence that he may or may not have regarding collusion, and if he doesn't produce it, let's wrap this up and move onto tax cuts and other important things for the country. >> but as you know the investigation isn't over for robert mueller, so there's no reason why it -- again, we don't know if there was collusion or not, but there's no reason at this point why he would have

charged anything on collusion. he seems to be building a number of cases. >> he certainly does. and, you know, anderson we're 14 months into the trump precedency. so let's assume those who are the president's biggest critics are right and there was collusion. we shouldn't wait any longer to see the evidence. let's find out what the evidence is today and if 14 months into the this presidency there isn't evidence of collusion i think it's important to move on. but of course if the special counsel has evidence i think the americans should be eager to see you. >> i want to play you something your republican colleague tray dowdy said yesterday about mueller. >> given the time, the independence to do his job and when you are innocent, if the allegations collude you with the russians and there's no evidence of that and you're in the of that, act like it. let it play out its course. if you've done nothing wrong you should want the investigation to be as fulsome and thoroughly as possible. >> is the president acting like he's sninnocent in all of this?

>> i think he is particularly when he gave an impromptu interview to "the new york times." that's what an innocent person does when they're so frustrated by the fact there seems poobea counter narrative that you want to set the record straight. i think the president will be found innocent in any sincere tribunal. that's where the frustration bubbles up among many conservatives if not mr. dowdy. >> the new lawyer says it was cooked up by the fbi and doj officials and in his words, trying to fame donald trump of a falsy created crime. do you believe that's what's happened here, there some sort of cabal from the top of the fbi? >> i think we need to look into

that topic. and the fbi and justice department certainly can't investigate themselves, and that's why i've joined others in calling for an independent review of those. i think there's also evidence in the lisa struck -- i'm sorry, the lisa page-peter struck text messages that would evidence his claim, particularly the assertion there was an insurance policy being hatched in andy's office, we assume that is andy mccabe. and if those three were together manifesting bias against the president that certainly would be true. >> you know a bit about that whole secret society thing seemed to be in jest, once more texts were released it was evidence it was related to some vladimir putin calendars that were released? >> i think it's always reasonable to try and get more

context in these claims. you've got two people texting in realtime about an investigation of the president of the united states and a presidential candidate like hillary clinton. so again it's a reasonable question to wander why people at the fbi were referencing a secret society. why there may have not been some formal incarnation of that, you may have had the very formal cabal that he referenced working against the president. >> you do admit with the fuller context it is now just a lighthearted remark, yes? >> there are still investigations we haven't seen. there are over 1.2 records the judiciary committee has requested. we've received about 3,000 of those records. so i think there's a lot more investigating to do, and it may very well be you had an informal cabal functioning in secret. >> that sounds like a massive

conspiracy theory. >> there may have been a massive conspiracy at play. look, when you've got the fbi saying it's wise to go fire mr. mccabe, one of the senior officials at the fbi you've got sufficient smoke to say there's fire that exists. that's why we want to have an independent review, in the fisa process, and i think mr. mccabe's firing validates many of the concerns i've raised along with my colleagues. >> you said the fbi can't investigate itself. as you just said it was an fbi review that called for mccabe to be fired. >> it was, but that was the office of the inspector general. the difference as it relates to the fisa is there are no charges that can be brought. that's why we need a second counsel potentially to take the work of the inspector general,

the work of the congress and present that evidence before a grand jury so our justice system can work. >> so just to be clear, you want to shutdown the special counsel robert mueller who's investigating the president but create a new special counsel to investigate a special cabal or secret society at the highest levels of the fbi? >> correct. and the reasons why the mueller probe has so many people behind it -- i'm not suggesting that joseph dejeneva be able to go in and look at the justice department but look at the people to the extremes that the people have with bob mueller. >> i appreciate your time. we had to cut that interview for time. we're going to be posting the entire interview online. coming up the search for a suspected serial bomber intensifying in austin, texas.

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most of the neighborhood in austin texas is on lockdown tonight after a fourth bombing has put the city on edge. police are on the hunt for a suspected serial bomber. i'll speak to the chief of police in austin in a moment. first, why the latest blast has deepened the concern and the mystery. the latest from cnn's nick watt. we're transporting a 22-year-old male patient. >> reporter: two more victims of what austin police are now calling a serial bomber. two men walking down a suburban sidewalk tripped a wire that triggered the blast. >> we've got wires there in the grass. they're going to retrieve and pull them back. >> reporter: the sound of that blast was caught on a home security camera about a half mile away. the victims are described as

white men in their early 20s. both suffered significant injuries, leaving nearby residents in this affluent neighborhood shocked. >> before we had to look for a package. now, you have to look for everywhere. i mean it's harder to see a wire than it is a package, so that's very scary to me. >> reporter: this city is on edge. three package bombs left overnight on porches have detonated since march 2nd, killing two african-american men and severely injuring an elderly latina woman. it's thought those attacks could have been targeted and possibly racially motivated. but this latest blast appears indiscriminate. >> we're very concerned that with trip wires, a child could be walking down a sidewalk and shut something. >> reporter: police were already hunting a sophisticated bomb maker. the explosion on sunday shows an even higher level of sophistication. >> we believe that the recent explosive incidents that have occurred in the city of austin were meant to send a message.

>> reporter: what message, what motive still unclear. just a few hours before the last bomb was set off, police appealed directly to the bomber. >> and we assure you that we are listening. we want to understand what brought you to this point, and we want to listen to you. we want to talk to you. >> reporter: silence. police are actively apeoppealino the public for help, raising the reward to six figures for information leading to an arrest. >> we now need the community to have an extra level of vigilance and pay attention to any suspicious device whether it be a package, a bag, a backpack, anything that looks out of place, and do not approach it. >> reporter: nick watt, cnn, austin. >> joining me now, the chief of the austin police department, brian manly, who you just saw in nick's report. thanks for being with us. you say at this point it's clear you're dealing with a serial bomber. can you say what's led you to that conclusion?

>> you know, i think the fact we've had these bombing incidents occurring in our community starting on march 2nd, continuing on march 12th, and then having another one last night, i don't see how we can't consider this a series. >> the change in the m.o. of this last one, it being a trip wire, is there -- i mean do you know what the significance of that is? do you think that's just -- if it is the same person, that that person just felt they could no longer kind of continue the way they were before and to change? is it a different kind of bomb? >> you know, we do believe that it's the same person based on the components that are com prizing the explosive devices across all four that we've had so far. so we do believe this is the same person or persons that are involved in these. and using the trip wire on this one, the first three felt as if they were targeting a specific residence and possibly a specific person. the way this fourth device was placed in a neighborhood and

left with a trip wire to really injure the person who randomly came across it was very different than the ones that felt targeted in the first three. >> sometimes in terms of terrorism bomb-makers have a certain signature people talk about. when you talk about similar components, is it more than just similar components? do you see the way the bombs themselves are put together, are they similar? >> you know, i know there are some similarities. the atf is taking all of the evidence from all four blast scenes now. the prior three saecenes are already in the lab at quantico, and they're looking at the devices. they're comparing them, looking for similarities. what i do know is they've let us know the similarities they've seen to this point lead them to believe as we do that these are all being constructed by the same person or person who's are responsible for this. >> do you have any suspects at this point? i know you're offering a reward

for tips. are you getting a lot of tips? >> we've had a lot of tips come into the command center, and as each tip comes in, it gets assigned to either a team of fbi agents, atf agents or austin detectives to do follow-up work on. we will continue to follow up on any lead that's given to us. we're reaching out to the community, imploring them please come forward if you think you know something, no matter how inconsequential you think it may be. that may be the piece we need to link it together and solve this before we have someone else in our community that gets seriously injured or killed. >> you're clearly reaching out to this bomber to try to get in touch with you, to open up some lines of communication. >> yes. we are reaching out. we've been very vocal about that. again, wanting to give the person or persons responsible for this an opportunity to come forward and to explain what their motivation may be, what it is that they are either upset about or angry about or whatever

the reason is behind this, let us know because we've got to put a stop to the devastation this is causing in our community and the lives that we have already lost. >> what message do you have to residents in austin tonight who are obviously frightened? >> you know, i absolutely understand their concern, and what we've been explaining is it's important now to be vigilant. we have to pay attention to surroundings. know where you are. know if something looks out of place, and that's beyond just packages like we were talking about with the first three incidents. know if something looks out of place. really it's important too, know your neighbors. if you don't know your neighbors, get to know them. this is splg we're going to have to work on together as a community because we need all the help from our citizens here giving us information, letting us know if someone, something looks out of place, to call us and give us that tip because we all have to work together to really do our best to identify this person or persons as quickly as possible. but the real message now is be vigilant, know your

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welcome to the second hour of 360. after a presidential tweet storm of the russia probe and breaking news on the possible shape of presidential testimony in it. so on the table, the president's claim of witch hunt targeting robert mueller and more. also tonight, the lawmakers who say firing mueller would be dumb politically, suicidal, but doing nothing to stop it. and later a new twist in the stormy daniels saga. we begin with pamela brown at the white house. what have you learned about this meeting? >> reporter: we've learned that lawyers on both sides, on robert mueller's side as well as lawyers for the president met just last week in a face-to-face interview. this is the first one they've had in recent weeks after informal discussions about a possible interview. but they met face to face, and i'm told by a source familiar along with my colleague, gloria borger, that during this meeting, robert mueller's team was able to