just on this little patch of grass, you might see the divot there left by the explosion. investigators were already expressing concern because it was a trip wire connected to that package that set off that explosion on sunday night. they talked about -- investigators talked about how that indicated to them that this bomb maker had a sophisticated level of understanding and ability to create these explosives, and it also changed the m.o. of how this particular person or persons is operating which also caused them a great deal of concern as well. if indeed this is officially linked, this fifth explosion, that would be a different mechanism by which these explosions have occurred which is, of course, something investigators will be paying close attention to. john and erica? >> ed lavandera with the latest there, thank you. also joining us on the phone, investigative reporter for "the austin statesman."

you have been talking to investigative sources on the ground about this latest package, this latest bomb. what are you hearing? >> the preliminary information from law enforcement is this package may have been bound for austin. so they are, of course, trying to figure out now if it is all the work of the same person. one of the things that they're doing is trying to collect remnants of this device, from this explosion that has happened overnight in schertz, and they want to know whether or not the material from this overnight blast is similar to the materials that were used in these other explosions that we've been having in austin since march 2nd. that's one of the big focuses for investigators this morning. >> we're looking at live pictures now, aerial pictures of this fedex facility. you learned the package was being shipped to austin. was it coming from austin to go back to austin? >> that is my understanding based on preliminary information from federal sources this

morning, and they have reason to believe, and it has not been explained to me yet what the reason to believe is, but pre m preliminary information shows it may have been shipped from an austin address to an austin address. if that is the case, you can imagine the amount of fear that is going to continue to raise in the city of austin which has already been a city on edge for the past couple weeks. >> absolutely. yesterday we were looking at the neighborhood where that trip wire device was found, being on lockdown until the afternoon as they were continuing to sweep there. in terms of that plant, is it and the neighborhood around it on lockdown at this hour that we know of? >> i'm told that authorities are -- one of the main concerns that they have now is whether or not this person, this perpetrator, whoever is maybe behind the package overnight could have also shipped a number of other devices. so that is also causing fears to

intensify this morning, whether or not there are other packages inside the facility that may be dangerous in some way, whether or not there may be packages on the road being delivered to other places that are dangerous in some way. that is also a major focus of investigators this morning. >> tony, we appreciate it. thank you. want to bring in cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd. this is the fifth explosive found in the austin area in a very short period of time. this one seems to be different, at least in its composition than the others. this one apparently shipped through fedex, which is different than the others, and this one also with shrapnel. so a third type of explosive. what does it tell you, if these are all connected, about the person behind this? >> it tells me this person's multiplying risk. you've got to believe if this goes on, the life span of a bomber like this, if he chooses to stage operations with this

rapidity, is not going to be around for long. every time he does this, he's leaving a trail. are there forensics in the device, serial numbers, fingerprints on the device. did he send it from a facility that has footage. i know there's a lot of concern in austin, i would say looking at this, every time he goes out there, he's taking more risk that somebody saw him, that there's a material in the device that the investigators can identify. one other final thing, john, if one of these devices doesn't go off, that's going to be more of a gold mine. then you have questions like fingerprints and forensics on the device itself. >> it's got to be concern, and we heard it from there on the scene, that more of these packages could be on route somewhere in the austin area. how do you suspect the investigation is progressing at this moment? >> they must have a lot of data. i looked at what you were talking about earlier, about the number of devices that might be out there. i know that's a concern.

for me that's an opportunity. if they can locate one single device before it detonates, that should accelerate the investigation. the other thing is, a bomb maker like this has to leave a trail somewhere. has someone ever been in his house and seen things that are unusual. somebody like this, has he ever been now the the back yard testing devices. one of the questions you'll have here is sorting through a ton of tips on a tip line to determine if someone ever saw something over the course of time when this guy or would plan was trying to build capability that goes into a tip line. all that stuff is going on now, john. >> again, we're talking about five explosive devices in a short period of time. we were talking before about the unabomber, it was like 12 devices, 17 devices well over a decade here. whoever is doing this is trying to send some kind of message, phil. >> they are. i have not been able to discern anything about intent, looking at the variety of locations.

the one interesting clue, the trip wire device we saw this week, that tells me that whoever staged that operation, whoever put the device there, didn't have a specific target in mind, maybe they had a neighborhood in mind. when you have a trip wire device, you're not looking at a specific involved, there's no race involved, no ethnicity involved. initially we had questions about whether race might be a motive. when you have a trip wire, you're trying to hit anybody that goes by. >> phil mudd, stick around. turning the the russia investigation. the president's lawyers met face-to-face with counsel investigators to outline the topics mueller's team would like to ask the president about. >> meantime, the president is shaking up his legal time, hiring a lawyer who has argued on tv that the president is the target of an elaborate fbi conspiracy. we'll bring in cnn pligolitics reporter chris cillizza.

i want to start with you now on what we now see from the president of the united states and what i feel like we now know about his behavior over the weekend where all of a sudden he starts mentioning robert mueller by name, tweeting about him specifically. it follows the fact that his lawyers sat down with the special counsel and found out exactly what they wanted to know, and it feels like the president didn't like that. >> i think that's right. what's interesting, john, for months we've had the private piece of this investigation which is the mueller piece, which we really -- it's sort of a closed box. we don't really know anything about it. every once in a while, he issues subpoenas an charges. we're fumbling in the dark there. then you have the counter, very public donald trump twitter feed. a lot is trying to marry up -- okay, he tweeted this, this happened. what is he reacting to and what does it tell us?

remember this is a president assured by his lawyers -- i think poor advice -- assured by his lawyers, it's all going to be over soon, boss. this will be over by the end of the year, this will be over by the end of january. the truth of the matter we never suspected that was the case. none of the cnn reporting suggested this is almost going to be over. i think what you have is a president who was frustrated because he was told this thing is wrapping up. it's not. then you have someone who now understands the scope of this and what wants to be asked. one other point out there, john, we still don't really know, does the president really want to talk to bob mueller? he has said publicly and there's reporting that he wants to. if he wants to, his lawyers don't want him to. that's another source of frustration, another reason to lash out. so a lot of this is what's going on in donald trump's mind right now. what does he think based on what he was told versus what the

reality is? >> we know he's thinking of making changes on his legal team. as we look at who has been brought in, i want to play a little bit of what we've heard. the president intends to enjoy his television time. this attorney who he's brought in spends a lot of time on tv and is talking about ideas that the president definitely agrees with in some cases. take a listen. this is from january 21st. >> they tried to frame an incoming president with a false rupgs c russian conspiracy that never existed, and they knew it and plotted to ruin him as a candidate and destroy him as a president. >> phil mudd, he's lashed out at the fbi, the doj, talked about this conspiracy. this is the man donald trump has brought on who can go out there and be a fire for him. what's the impact there? >> there's no impact on the

investigation. look, the investigators are going to do what they want. i see two aspects to the hiring of digenova. i don't think he's about the investigation. he's about the face of the investigation. a lot of people in this country believe in these deep state conspiracies to take out the president. this guy is going to be on tv talking about this all the time. the other thing is i think this is more about what happens after the investigation. if you get further indictments of people in the oval office, this guy is going to be on two minutes later saying, into told you there is a conspiracy against the white house. i see it now and now we have to take action to stop the conspiracy. he's about tv and the after-action. >> maybe learned about them through don'ts because he's spending so much time with the documents. >> primarily documents. >> inside joke there.

>> i was going to add, i do think it's really important, phil made an important point, i think a lot of what's happening here, particularly over the last 96-ish hours it's sped up, is donald trump getting ready for what comes next, that it is unlikely that this investigation sort of ends. everything is fine, like the house intelligence committee. that's an unlikely outcome. i think he would probably realize that at this point. a lot of what you see, the smearing of mueller, the attempted smearing of mueller, digenova coming out, it's prepping for something is going to happen. no one knows what that something is. the mueller investigation is going to conclude. it's likely not going to look great for the trump administration. we need to be ready for our base, we need to have a way to discredit both mueller and the findings and we need voices who are going to be able to do that.

>> it's prepping for the postgame. this may not be about firing robert mueller even though we know the president tried to do that before. it's for what happens when mueller comes out with whatever it is that he comes out with. this is what makes congress so important here. this is what makes their role so important. will republicans stand up and say either a, don't fire robert mueller, it's a bad idea. b, let the investigation continue, and c, what this investigation has found is of merit, chris. >> look, this is the thing i always return to because it drives me insane when donald trump says things like witch hunt and partisan hoax. you can think donald trump collu colluded, didn't collude. this is not a witch hunt. bob mueller is the former fbi director. that's piece one. i don't think usually those people are involved in witch hunts. put that aside, whatever you think about mueller. three people who worked for donald trump in the campaign have pled guilty, including

michael flynn, one of his most senior advisers, have pled guilty to lying to the fbi and are now cooperating with the investigation. paul manafort, the campaign chairm chairman, basically the campaign manager for his time is facing 300 years in prison for allegations of financial improprieties. 13 russians have been charged with a broad scale attempt to influence the 2016 election. ask yourself this, if you think this is a media-driven conspiracy, would michael flynn lie to the fbi, get caught, plead guilty, cooperate with the mueller investigation if this was a media-created witch hunt? i don't think michael flynn takes a lot of advice from what the media thinks. that's the sort of thing people have to return to. there are guilty pleas here. there are real criminal charges here. you cannot just dismiss the whole thing as sort of a partisan fishing expedition. it's not. >> all right. phil mudd, chris cillizza, thank

you very much for being with us this morning. we'll keep our eye on the austin bombings all morning long. in the meantime, facebook is facing a huge crisis. can the social media giant restore the public's trust after the data from some 50 million users was at least being used without those users' permission? we'll debate the fallout with senators from both sides of the aisle next.

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facebook ceo mark zuckerberg facing calls to testify before congress about how cambridge analytical accused information from 50 million users. joining me now two members of the committee, democrat amy klobuchar of minnesota and republican senator john kennedy of louisiana. thanks for being with us and being with us together. i feel like every time a democratic and republican appear together, someone earns their wings. you think mark zuckerberg should come before your committee and say what? >> i think he should explain to the american people how this happened, how many people were hurt and most importantly, how they're going to fix it because you just can't have 50 million americans have their private data exposed without their permission, a couple hundred thousand of them may have answered a quiz by a russian american professor that somehow

facebook decided could have access to the data, and this is what's happened. i think you have a product where it has been designed without a lock or without an alarm and, big surprise, some of the bad guys have gotten in. he needs to explain that as well as the fact that we don't get support for our honest ads act which would put the social media sites on the same rules of the game as you see for print media and radio, tv ads. >> senator kennedy, if you're one of these 50 million users who has their information in the hands of cambridge analytical, why should you be concerned? >> facebook is a great company, but it's no longer a company. it's a country. that's how powerful it is. and its behavior lately has kind of been getting into the foothills of creepy. my interests are larger than cambridge analytical. i want to know to what extent,

if any, those of us on facebook live in a contrived universe. created by facebook, like truman on the truman show. i want to know if facebook has been a good steward of our data. i want to talk with facebook about the bargain we struck with bargain. we know what we get. we get free access to the site. what does facebook get. finally, i want to explore how we preserve the good things about facebook and there are good things, but how we preserve the good things about facebook while thwarting the bad things, the abuse of data, the spreading of poison on the internet. of course, the problem becomes -- you get into first amendment issues quickly when you talk about poison. the real issue is not is poison being spread, the real issue is what is poison?

one person's trash is another person's treasure. >> the foothills of creepy are located right near the river of sin. >> it's in louisiana. >> i'm not going to get into the geographical fight there. i'm thrilled you guys are together. i don't want to break up this team. senator klobuchar, has facebook been forthcoming with you? >> well, they have made some things to put disclaimers on political ads, but they have sent their lawyers they're lobbyists, john, that's who they sent. we think the head of the company should come -- we want to hear from cambridge analytical and alexander nix and the people involved with that. it's broader than this one incident. we've been calling for them to come before us as late as last week, before this exploded, the two of us called for them to come before the committee. this is not just a place that you put cat videos on, as much as we love that or you put on your recipes. this has become a political

marketplace, and just as we look at people who have put bad tomatoes on people's shopping carts, you've got to figure out are there some rules of the road here where you've got rules if someone says, okay, i'm going to give my information to an app provider. maybe you've got to be able to understand what that means and where that is information is going. >> senator klobuchar, senator kennedy says it's not necessarily about cambridge analytical. british tv overnight, an expose that was done where alexander nix seen on tv offering women showing up and paymention of some kind. do you have any concerns about that? >> of course i have concerns. basically the 50 million profiles that were given to them are highly valuable. i think any company would want to get those, or if a political candidate were to purchase a profile, they would have had to spend a lot more money than it appears the trump campaign did. that's one issue. the second issue is what they're

doing with people's information. they're talking about sending ukrainian women over to people's houses. i mean this is bad stuff. we want to hear exactly what happened. to me that is a separate hearing from what we want to see from the broad hearing on social media. this is a separate hearing where we want to hearing from professor kogan and alexander nix and what happened with the trump campaign. >> senator kennedy, you were nodding up and down. do you think you should have a separate hearing? >> sure. it is creepy. it's not the only instance. politicians have been mining data on facebook for a long time. we can go back to president obama's campaign, certainly president trump's campaign did. other candidates as well. i am interested in cambridge analytical. i'm interested in the larger issue. what's the proper role of

facebook in our world today? what, if any, regulation should we ask facebook to apply? is facebook willing to solve these problems on its own or do we have to give them a judge? i'd like mr. zuckerberg to come -- last time he sent his lawyers. i don't know what he paid them, but they did a damn good job because they didn't say anything. >> senator kennedy, shifting gears slightly, a lot of talk in the last few days about the status of special counsel robert mueller. what do you think would happen if the president tried to push him out? >> well, i think probably all hell would break loose. i zee no indication that's going to happen. i think we ought to let mr. mueller finish his investigation. i don't think the president is going to fire him. the president's lawyers said sunday night they have no intention of firing him. i think we ought to let mr. mueller finish his investigation and report to the american people and let the chips fall where they may. >> senator klobuchar, do you think there's a law that should be passed, four senators

proposed different types of legislation to protect the special counsel. do you think that's necessary? >> i'd like to see those laws passed so you have extra protection. but there were changes made after the saturday night massacre where nixon fired a bunch of people in the justice department. there is some protection. that protection is you can't fire him unless you have good cause. rod rosenstein is running that right now because attorney general sessions has recused himself. he said there's not good cause. he has said that under oath. you have to let the special counsel do his job and get to the end of this investigation. stop attacking him. stop attacking the fbi and let them do their jobs. >> trey gowdy, senator kennedy said, if you're innocent, act like it. do you feel like the president is acting like it right now? >> i think you have to divorce the president's words from his actions. clearly he likes to tweet, and i

don't mean this as a criticism. i think the president grows anxious when he has an unexpressed thought and he likes to say everything that's on his mind. that's a long way from actually doing something and firing mr. mueller. i just don't think he'll fire him. i think mr. mueller will be allowed to complete his investigation and hopefully he'll report to the american people and say here is what i found, here is what i concluded. now we get to judge, you meaning the american people. >> senator kennedy, senator klobuchar, thank you for being with us. we do appreciate that you did appear together. good luck going forward. >> thank you very much. a just-published profile shedding new light on hope hicks's final days in the white house. what trz apologized to hope hicks for next. kevin kevin kevin kevin

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hope hicks is said to be one of the few people in the west wing president trump trusted. she was profiled in a cover story titled "what hope hicks knows." joining me the washington

correspondent for "new york magazine" who wrote this piece. she refused to go on the record with you. you spent a lot of time with her, spoke to 30 people around her. it's a fascinating read, i have to say, especially when we get a sense of where she was in this decision to leave the white house. as you point out, she struggled with it and thought about leaving a couple times before it actually happened. so why did she stay? >> an interesting question, sort of the central question with hope hicks, why did she go there in the first place in 2015 and why did she stay? i think in 2015 it was a much easier choice to make. it didn't seem like that serious. nobody knew that president trump would become president trump. nobody even knew he'd win the primary. she made choices to continue to be there through the most controversial political moments of our time. i think in the end it was about loyalty for her. i think that's why she stayed. people talk about loyalty with

trump staffers all the time. for her, it really was, she made this agreement basically to support the president. and i think she did not feel like it would be holding up her end of the bargain if she left. >> he relied very heavily on her as we know. you walk through some of this in the piece that in many ways, she was his right-hand woman. she would remember details. she has near photographic memory. >> very deep in a lot of ways. >> she keeps amazing notes and john kelly, to your reporting, extraordinarily dismissive of her. how did that dynamic figure in? >> i don't think it worked out in the end, right. one of them is leaving the white house and another one, john kelly, is seeming to be on his last leg according to a lot of different reports. i think basically john kelly, when he came in, remember the kind of guy john kelly is. there's this 29-year-old woman with all this power who is feet from the oval office.

the president relies on her more than anybody else and he can't quite make sense of her, much like he couldn'tma make sense o jared and ivanka. there was apparently a lot of griping, insults, under-the-breath comments according to my sources. >> you suggested that corey lewandowski may be who exposed these allegations of rob porter. why would he do that? >> it's complex. getting rid of rob porter was twofold, a uniqway to get at jo kelly and become chief of staff which corey lewandowski certainly is, and then there's the issue of perhaps some jealousy with rob porter. corey lewandowski was rumored at least, accused of having an affair with hope hicks during the campaign. that was never confirmed and, in fact, it was denied, but not

that strongly by corey lewandows lewandowski. it seemed like this was a neat way to get two different things you might want if you were corey lewandowski. >> an interesting tactic. he reached out to you since this was published? >> yes. i want to be clear. i reached out to corey lewandowski probably a dozen times trying to get him to sit for an interview with me, answer my questions. we sent him questions before the story was published. of course, he did nopt answer any of them. last night after the story was published, he contacted many e to tell me that i am a dishonest person with no facts but i already know that. >> that's how he feels about the article. >> yes. but he didn't specifically say anything i reported was untrue. he did deny that he pushed out the allegations of rob porter. we know this president is not someone who apologizes. yet you write he told her he cared about her happiness, he understood her decision and he

would help her do anything she wanted to do. he said he hoped she would go make a lot of money, then the president added something else. i'm sorry for everything you've been through. that's a lot coming from president trump. >> it is highly unusual. if that quote did not include i hope you go make a lot of money, it would sound like a made-up quote. it would sound like something that president trump would never say. to the extent he has the capacity to care for somebody else, i think he does care for hope hicks. >> she is leaving this position, she's still young, as we point out. there's potential legal debt there. a lot has happened her. >> and legal implications as well. >> does she have any rezblets. >> that would be a question for hope hicks if he inevitably writes a book or does a big sit-down interview. but having been around her a bit, and this is new reporting, she is going to be leaving the

white house by next wednesday or thursday. that's the new timeline after the publication of my story. i don't know if she has regrets. i think she tends to look at things like this was an adventure, a strange adventure which is a privileged position to have. >> interesting. as we look at that, who else have you heard from? anyone else from the white house? >> i've heard from several people inside the white house. the reaction has been sort of a little disturbed by some of the things in this story. >> which things in particular? >> some of the stuff involving corey lewandowski, john kelly. but nobody has really pushed back on any of the actual specific points. >> they're not disputing it. it's fascinating. you open the piece talking about the office that hope hicks has which is essentially a broom closet, but she can hear the president from there. how there was all this jockeying among the men in the administration. >> and omerosa.

>> i almost forgot that part. they had to have the office that came with the cachet, the office that came with the view. the fact that she ends up in the broom closet and doesn't care where she is, speaks to the image people have of hope hicks, she does things quietly, we rarely heard her voice. he's behind the scenes. how much of that is by her own design, that she wants that to be the image she puts forth? how much of that is who she truly is? >> that's one of the central questions about hope hicks. is she playing a game or is she sitting it out? it's allowing her to win it nevertheless. i don't really know the answer to that? i think it might be the latter. >> fascinating piece olivia. appreciate you coming in. >> thank you. this is cnn breaking news. we have breaking news from st. mary's county, maryland. this is on the eastern shore. the school district released a statement saying there is a

school shooting at great mills high school. you can see it right there on the map. the school is on lockdown. officials say the event is contained. the sheriff's office is on the scene, and the school district says there will be more information to follow very shortly. again, this is southeast of washington, d.c. in maryland, about twro hours away from washington we're told. the school telling us there has been a school shooting. the event is contained. we do not yet know any accounts of injuries or casualties in this incident. we'll bring you much more information as it comes in. we'll be right back.

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that. again, the sheriff saying the event is contained. parents understandably being asked not to come to that location. they are being sent to another nearby high school where they can get more information. >> that high school, so you know, if you are watching this, is the leonard town high school. parents told to head there. students will be brought there for reunification. that statement from the sheriff's office just moments ago. the other statement that the event is contained. we're waiting to hear directly from officials there. in the meantime, a cnn exclusive, tension inside the walls of facebook. top executives tell us there's mounting frustration with mark zuckerbe zuckerberg, he's been out of the spotlight since the news broke that 50 million facebook users had their information leaked. laurie segall here with more. >> a lot of people want to hear from mark. we, the public, want to hear

from mark. i thought it was interesting from talking to sources inside, he's very involved behind the scenes, a well respected leader. but this is a moment of crisis for facebook. executives at the top level are saying we want him out in front of this. we don't want other people taking the punch for a lot of this. another thing that was really interesting that executives said to me is the challenges and the conversations happening behind closed doors at facebook about our future, these conversations about howe they deal with fake news, our data, privacy, russian influence. they're very nuanced conversations. people say it's really hard to have those conversations publicly, but executives are pushing because they say it's important to have these nuanced conversations publicly. someone said to me there are legitimate tradeoffs. if we crack down on fake news, it could potentially -- we look at censorship with data privacy, this will impact developers. i think there's a larger sense they want their leader out in front of this as, of course, do the press, but as does the

public. >> they want to see from mark zuckerberg on a public level. you say he's involved behind the scenes. where is sheryl sandberg on this? one would think that would be another person that facebook could put out there. >> it's really interesting. someone said that they are their own brands. mark and sheryl are their own brands. mark looked around the country and did a tour. he wanted to burst his own filter bubble. there's an idea that he has his own personal communications team that's protecting him and someone really said this team is looking out for mark and not looking out for the company. now more people at the company, i think you'll see increased pressure for him to speak publicly and get in front of these issues. >> we just spoke to republican senator john kennedy from louisiana, democratic senator amy klobuchar. this morning they agree they want to see mark zuckerberg.

has this company lost control of its narrative? congress will be involved very shortly. >> it's very interesting. someone said to me, if we haven't been able to tell the story, so the story is being told for us. we as journalists talk about that all the time, you need to talk, you need to say something. i think there's beginning to be an uprising for people who say, look, these are challenging questions and problems that come along with having the most powerful platforms in the world and we have to have public dialogue on what this means and what are the philosophical questions. if we don't have these conversations, we're all having them and wondering what's going on. >> to the point that you're both making. what you were hearing from lawmakers earlier, congressman jackie speier said we can start to talk about regulation. that's something i would imagine that facebook does not want. to laurie's point, if you're not getting out and telling your story and not letting people

know where you're at and you're actually concerned, that's what's going to come your way. >> the problem is we see the story in distilled-down blog post, in after-the-fact facebook live posts. one thing an executive said to me, i said should there be regulation? he said we should have a conversation about a good type of regulation. there should be regulation for online advertising. we're going o the try to make our ads more transparent. that means good people will go to google or twitter. there needs to be an industry standard. we need to come together and have this discussion. we see it broken down in blog posts. >> laurie segall, thank you for that information about turmoil, perhaps, at least a little within facebook right now. we'll have much mosh on the school shooting in maryland. breaking news in from maryland. a school shooting in st. mary's county. much more straight ahead. americ

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we do have breaking news in st. mary's county, maryland. the school district just released a statement saying there has been a school shooting at the great mills high school. that school is on lockdown. officials say the event is contained. the fbi and sheriff's office are on the scene. the school district says there will be more information to follow. we're using very specific information here because this is exactly what we are getting, confirmation that there has been a school shooting, statement that the event is contained. this tweet moments ago from congressman steny hoyer who is from maryland. he writes, i'm closely monitoring reports of an incident at great mills high school in st. mary's county. my prayers are with the students, parents and teachers. please follow insfruktructions law enforcement on the scene. it's not much. we don't have reports of any injuries yet, but the one

sentence, this event has been contained. what does that mean? >> we're just under a month from the parkland shooting, john. obviously the big takeaway in parkland was we got away from what the methodologies in law enforcement were which was post column biem, which is we have to interdict immediately. officers on scene are to go directly to the sound of the gun. the old tactic is main -- what does containment mean? making sure there's no ingress or egress routes that attackers could be coming in or trying to leave. obviously finding out who did it is important, but the preeminent purpose of law enforcement is to interdict and stop the shooting. >> being that it is contained, let's hope that means there is nothing else happening. we don't have reports of casualties or victims. we want to make that clear, simply that it's locked down and

contained. we talked about the changes since columbine. i know you know about that quite well based on your experience. but even just in terms of the changes we may or may not have seen in the last month since parkland, have there been significant changes in the way this addressed? >> absolutely. columbine was just under 18 years ago, so april of 1999. one of the big things we're putting out to the pub slick a proliferation of things. we have to put victims in these situations, people experiencing this in the front line, they must know this? their first option is to run. if you're not able to run away from the sound of guns, it is to hide. your last resort is to fight if you must and anybody who gets outside of that scene is to go to law enforcement and tell. any built of intelligence you can tell law enforcement helps mitigate the scene quicker. >> some of that intelligence comes from social media. >> hang on. i believe we have something from the school on the phone right

now, a student, matthew taggert. can you hear me right now? >> that's my teacher's name. my name is jonathan. >> jonathan, tell me where you are right now and what's happening? >> i'm in my math class right now when it happened. we've been on lockdown for about 30 minutes or so. >> on lockdown right now inside your math class. we're looking at live pictures right now. tell me what it is that happened. >> it's jonathan. >> jonathan, tell me what it is that happened. >> i heard people got shot about 7:00 or so, one person supposedly dead what i heard. at first i heard someone had a gun against their head. i thought it was one person that got hurt trying to maybe get the gun, i'm not really sure. pretty much mainly all i know in the moment. i'm still a little shaken up. i didn't think it would really

happ happen. it happened in the art hallway. that's pretty much all i know at the moment. >> did you hear gunshots, jonathan? >> i'm surprised i didn't. but we're quite a bit aways from our hallway. the school is pretty close. i'm surprised i didn't hear it. >> what are you hearing right now from school officials? what are you being told to do? >> right now the police are going through classrooms and checking, making sure students are safe. soon we're going to be escorted out of the school. i'm not sure how long i can stay on the phone. they told us to leave our stuff in the classroom because we're going to be escorted. the police responded really quickly. we're happy about that. >> jonathan, is this something that you have done training for in your school? >> a couple times. i didn't really expect for this to happen.

i do feel safe, though, because they always have police at our school, and they're ready for something like this. it's something they couldn't really prevent because they have a couple officers, but they're really well-trained officers. there could have been more casualties. i'm glad there wasn't. everyone is well trained for it. >> have you been told that the event is over and that you are safe as far as you know at this moment? >> as far as this point, yes, i'm safe. they had a lot of officers respond. some classrooms can see outside the school. ambulances, fire trucks, everything, everyone responded. probably five minutes i heard sirens outside the school. >> you and the students inside that room right now, what's this last hour been like for you? >> really curiosity. people are trying to find out what happened because we're closed off and we can't go anywhere. we're trying to find out on

social media what happened, maybe on snapchat or something like that. spreads like wildfire. >> you say you're in your math class now. >> yes. >> what's your teacher been saying to you? what's the discussion? you guys are getting on social media, seeing what you can find, what's the conversation with your teacher at this point? >> he's really casual. he wants to make sure the students are calm. no one is really crying or anything at the moment. i know there's people traumatized. i'm not sure who it happened to. hopefully they're okay or they will be okay. >> we're glad you have the teacher, glad you have each other right now and we're glad you are safe. it's about 9:00 in the east right now. what time do you believe that the shooting happened? >> 8:20, 8:15. it happened fairly quickly when cool started. >> what time does school start?

>> about 8:00. it went pretty quickly. the halls are usually crowded by then. if there was someone having to respond, it's not easy to get to. >> again, the word you're getting is how many people are hurt? >> seven last time i heard. >> seven people hurt. >> at first i heard one, but we have to go because the police are right outside the door. >> jonathan freese, a senior at great mills high school. can you stay on the phone with us when you walk out? we lost jonathan. jonathan was in a math class. he says school starts at 8:15, the shooting happened just after that. >> pointing out that he believes it happened in the art hallway -- what he referred to as the art hallway. couldn't hear the gunshots. said he was surprised he

couldn't hear the gunshots and then they went on lockdown. students getting on social media to figureout what happened. he is telling us he heard seven people injured. >> it sounds like he's trying to get this information as best he can, and it's not coming in particularly fast and furious. we do not know if the information he has about the seven students is the most current information or if it is, in fact, accurate. but the good news from his perspective is the incident does appear over. he's being led out of the classroom right now. by all accounts, the students who were there are safe. that's probably what officials tell us the event is contained. >> there's been so much discussion obviously in the last few weeks since what happened in parkland, florida, about whether or not he and his fellow students and that school there, whether they had done any training for an event like this. that's when he told us that there were