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i think this was clearly a mistake in retrospect. >> he said he's willing to come to capitol hill. that's a change for him. >> do you think facebook impacted the results of the 2016 election? >> we had a good call, and i suspect we will be meeting in the not distant future. >> a new report says the president surprised his senior advisers by suggesting a meeting with putin. >> i wouldn't have a conversation with a criminal. >> if you don't like the guy, quit. but to be this duplicitous, to continue to leak things out is dangerous. >> we have a recording of the suspect. i would classify this as a confession. >> we are devastated and broken at the news. >> the investigation continues.
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there's still outstanding questions. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day". alisyn is off. erica hill by my side. a lot of news once again. we begin with cnn's exclusive. facebook ceo mark zuckerberg breaking his silence about this massive data breach. millions had their information improperly obtained by a data firm linked to the campaign. what facebook is doing to safeguard your information. this is all going on as lawmakers ramp up talk of regulating social media giants like facebook. >> congress facing a friday deadline, meantime, to avoid a government shutdown. the house is set to vote on a $1.3 trillion spending package. we will tell you what's in is and what's out in this 2,232 page bill. plus, the president's legal team weighing in on the special
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counsel. the four topics that robert mueller wants to discuss with president trump. we begin with laurie segall live in san francisco with more on her exclusive interview. laurie. >> reporter: hey, guys. i think everybody wanted to hear from mark zuckerberg. we looked over the news the last week of what facebook is facing and the weaponization of the platform the last year. everyone wanted to hear from mark. he was nowhere to be seen, nowhere to be heard. he sat down with me and started out by saying i'm sorry. take a listen. let me start with a basic question, mark. what happened? what went wrong? >> so this was a major breach of trust. and i'm really sorry that this happened. we have a basic responsibility to protect people's data. and if we can't do that, then we don't deserve to have the opportunity to serve people. so our responsibility now is to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> lawmakers in the united
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states asking you to testify. everybody wants you to show up. will you testify before congress? >> the short answer is i'm happy to if it's the right thing to do. facebook testifies in congress regularly, on a number of topics, some high profile and some now. our objective is always to provide congress the extremely important job, to have the most information that they can. we see a small slice of activity on facebook. but congress gets to have access to the information across facebook and all other countries, the intelligence community and everything. so what we try to do is send the person who will have the most knowledge about what congress is trying to learn. so if that's me, then i am happy to go. what i think we found so far is typically people whose whole job is focused on an area. but i would imagine at some point that there will be a topic
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where i am the sole authority and it will make sense for me to do it. >> you are the brand of facebook. you are the name of facebook. people want to hear from you. >> that's why i'm doing this interview. the question in a question of congressional testimony is what is the goal? that's not a media opportunity. or at least it's not supposed to be. the goal there i think is to get congress all the information that they need to do their extremely important job. and we just want to make sure that we send whoever is best informed to doing that. i agree separately that there's an element of accountability where i should be out there doing more interviews. you know, as uncomfortable as it is for me to do a tv interview, this is an important thing as a discipline for what we're doing. i should be out there and being asked hard questions by journalists. >> given the stakes here, why shouldn't facebook be regulated? >> i actually am not sure we shouldn't be regulated.
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you know, i think in general, technology is an increasingly important trend in the world and i actually think the question is more what is the right regulation rather than yes or no, should it be regulated? >> what is the right regulation? >> well, there's some basic things and i think there are big intellectual debates. on the basic sides, there is ads transparency regulations that i would love to see. when you look at how much regulation there is on advertising on tv and print, you know, it's not clear why there should be less on the internet. you should have the same level of transparency required. i don't know if the bill will pass. a couple of senators are working hard on this. but we're committed, and we have already started rolling out ad transparency tools that accomplish most things that not enough people are talking about today. this is an important thing. people should know who is buying the ads they see on facebook.
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and you should see all the different ads people are running to different audiences. >> lawmakers are responding to zuckerberg saying he would be open to regulation on twitter. people are talking about that. it is the first time he has really come out and said that. can we expect to see him testify? we'll see. that was a bit of a half answer, for the right topic. there is less and less patience for not having the ce on o who have impacted our lives, have he them not show up and answer the hard questions. this is an era of unintended conscious consequences. there was so much power and promise to technology. in the last year we have seen the weaponization of the platform, of facebook by a foreign actor. we are facing challenging questions about what the company is doing to mental health. what is the impact on on children. you want mark zuckerberg, the face of facebook, to come out and be open and more
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transparent. the buzz word is transparency. we want to see more of it. carri carri erica? >> thank you. while the president is defending his congratulatory call to putin, slamming his predecessor. cnn's abby phillip live at the white house with more on this. abby. >> reporter: good morning, erica. president trump is growing increasingly frustrated with special counsel's robert mueller's probe as white house aides told him for months it would be ending soon. we are learning even as the negotiations are ongoing about when president trump might sit down with investigators, mueller has drafted up a list of potential topics that he might ask the president about. as the president's lawyers prepare for a potential sitdown between mr. trump and special counsel robert mueller's investigators, cnn learning that the special counsel's team has shared four main topics they want to discuss, including the
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circumstances surrounding the trump tower meeting between donald trump jr. and several russians in 2016 and what role crafted the leading misleading initial statement on air force one which suggested it was about russian adoptions. >> the president weighed in as any father would based on the limited information he had. >> reporter: it later surfaced don jr. took the meeting because he was promised dirt on hillary clinton. the bulk of the interview will focus on the firing of michael flynn and the firing of fbi director james comey. >> and in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made-up story. >> reporter: based on these topics, a source says the president's legal team has written dozens of questions that the mueller team could ask. on tuesday he suggested meeting with russian president putin.
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>> we had a very good call. and i suspect we will be meeting in the not too distant future. >> reporter: according to the "post", there are no calls for trump and putin to be in the same country until november. trump is preparing for a summit in may with kim jong-un. president trump defensing his phone call to congratulate him on his reelection, attacking his predecessors and insisting that getting along with russia is a good thing amid criticism from his party. >> i wouldn't have a conversation a criminal. >> reporter: the president was furious after his briefing materials included a warning that read in capital letters, do not congratulate. some republicans on the hill echoing that frustration. >> whoever did that ought to be fired immediately. and i think they ought to be prosecuted. >> reporter: today president trump is supposed to be announcing new tariffs and penalties on $50 billion in
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chinese goods. but this morning he woke up tweeting about something completely different. he is engaging with former vice president joe biden who yesterday said in his speech at the university of miami he would take president trump out back and beat up over his comments about women. trump saying on twitter, crazy joe biden is trying to act like a tough guy. actually, he is woke, both mentally and physically, and yet he threatens me, for the second time, with physical assault. he doesn't know me, but he would go down fast and hard, crying all the way. don't threaten people joe! i am having flashbacks to elementary school. i don't know about you, chris and erica. >> abby throwing down in the school yard. thank you very much. let's bring in cnn political analyst david gregory and jeffrey toobin. it is one of those laugh or cry moments, gentlemen. help me understand this. the president doesn't want to deal with these lawsuits from
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women. he doesn't want to deal with the allegations. he said they were all lies from the women during the campaign. but when joe biden brings up the allegations and what he thinks should be done, the president takes the bait and says to joe, don't talk about me like that or i'll basically beat your behind. >> well, that's the difference between twitter and a sworn deposition. you know, the president is very happy to tweet on any subject under the sun because you get -- you can say what you want and no one gets to ask follow-up questions. the great peril, as bill clinton discovered, even during your presidency, if you are subject to civil litigation, you can be forced into a deposition. we are now in the incredible situation where the president has three pending lawsuits against him, all related to sexual misconduct of one kind or another. and they are all real cases.
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i don't know who will win those cases. you have the stormy daniels lawsuit. you have karen mcdougal, former "playboy" model. and the woman on the apprentice. they are all pending cases in which he may have to testify. a lot tougher than a tweet. >> there is a lot going on. again, just the point, this is what the president is tweeting about this morning. not the spending bill. not the tariffs on china that are coming up. none of these things talking about taking down joe. moving on, you did bring up what else is pending. when we look at what else is potentially happening here for the president, cnn has learned about some of the topics that robert mueller would like to talk to the president about. among them, we can put them up here, his role in crafting that statement that came of course out of the meeting with don jr. in 2016. as well as the circumstances surrounding that meeting, the
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firing of james comey, firing of michael flynn. obviously other things could come up as well. that is the bulk right now. that is our reporting of what robert mueller wants to know more about. what does that tell us about where the investigation could be leading? >> well, what we're learning about is our among the areas that he would like to question the president about, these are areas where the president in three or four of those was involved, firing couply, being involved in crafting of that statement. so is all of that goes to obstruction of justice. the president bringing these problems on himself because he hates this investigation so much. again, whether this could lead to a potential indictment seems less likely than perhaps fodder for a final report that could go to congress and could become part of an impeachment proceeding down the line. so feeding a political process. what i think is interesting, going back to the last topic about the tweet, this is a president who is a street
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fighter we know, and approaching this investigation, trying to dele mize it as an investigation. and if they find something it is illegitimate because of how it was started. or if they don't find anything, he can spin this was all a waste of time. he has that all laid out on his twitter feed to delegitimize what's going on here. it takes it to another level than, say, what bill clinton did when allies were trying to delegitimize the starr investigation. >> does this indicate that the president was negatively affected by these categories, these questions that mueller may be looking at his specific role. can he handle all of these pretty easily in terms of insulating himself? why did you fire comey? because i didn't like him. why did he fire flynn? because he lied.
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what about the meeting? it was nothing. i wanted to make sure it was handled right. >> that is potentially right. and those are potential answers. you know, if you want to look for good news for the president, the fact that there is nothing on this initial list about conclusion with rush sharks nothing about personal finances, nothing about money laundering, all of that which figured into the narratives of the campaign, the fact that they don't appear to be on the list is good news for him. you know, those are potential answers he could give. and maybe that will be the end of it. we don't know all that mueller has either. so i wouldn't say it would be as simple as you suggest. >> do you think you could ask the question about money laundering. he said, by the way, i want to talk about this house that you sold and this financing string.
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would that be within -- i know they could. is that a should? >> well, it depends on the nature of the negotiations. you know, it is often the case, it certainly was the case during the clinton investigation, that you negotiate -- that there is a negotiation about the duration of an interview and the location of an interview and the format of an interview. prosecutors by and large do not commit that they will ask only about certain subjects and others. part of the nature of a prosecutorial role is that you have a pretty free hand. so, you know, i'm not privy to the negotiations. but how much the mueller office commits to these subjects and these subjects only, that is something that is unclear to me. and i think could affect what ultimately comes out of these interrogations. by the way, if they happen at all. and it is far from clear that ultimately trump will sit for this interview. >> i think this is fascinating.
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really quickly, before we let you both go, this $3 trillion spending bill. some wins for both sides. 2,200 plus pages. this is not a slam dunk for either party. there are still a number of things that were supposed to or lawmakers obviously would have liked to have in there or not. senator susan collins had promised in terms of what she wanted in terms of health care subsidie subsidies. >> for the system to be shored up. if they got rid of the individual mandate, how do you prevent premiums from going up which will happen if you take away the mandatory provision for younger and healthier individuals pay if they don't have health care. this is a problem. this is a short-term bill. both sides can claim they got some things they wanted. bt they leave a lot of important areas. health care is important to voters. comes up in the midterm. gun legislation, dreamers, on
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and on that got avoided here. the president was i think frustrated with aspects of this. he got some money for a border wall. not as much as he wanted. both sides end up spending on something that is still a short-term measure. >> a big v.a. proposal they were trying to get done to help the veterans. nothing on that. didn't make it in. gentlemen, appreciate it. thank you very much. >> facebook ceo mark zuckerberg said he would be happy to testify before congress if in fact, he's the right guy to talk about it. a, isn't he facebook ceo? b, what would lawmakers like to know? we'll ask members of the house intel committee next. shooting pain in my feet. i hear you, sam. cedric, i couldn't sleep at night because of my diabetic nerve pain. i hear you, claire, because my dad struggled with this pain. folks, don't wait. step on up and talk to your doctor. because the one thing i keep hearing is...
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the short answer is i'm happy to if it's the right thing to do. facebook testifies in congress regularly on a number of topics. some high profile and some not. what we try to do is send the person from facebook who will have the most knowledge. so if that's me, i'm happy to
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go. >> in a cnn exclusive, facebook ceo mark zuckerberg said he will talk to congress about how cambridge analytica used facebook data without their knowledge. what questions would they have for zuckerberg specifically eric swalwell, good to have you with us. >> good morning. >> he's happy to if he's the right person. he is the ceo. do you believe he is the right person to speak to you? and what do you want to know? >> mark zuckerberg is the right person for congress to hear from and someone we should hear from sooner rather than later. what i want to know is did facebook enter into an agreement with the trump campaign where facebook sent is imbeds and facebook employees to the trump campaign's data operation with knowledge that cambridge analytica had illicitly obtained this data of 50 million users.
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if facebook did that, that's a big problem. if they had knowledge this had occurred and they chose to work with the trump campaign anyway. if that's the case, i think there is a lot of answers they are going to have to provide as to why that was okay, why it would not be considered an in-kind contribution that would have to be accounted for. and why is the trump campaign still allowed on their platform if they were working to cheat users out of their data? i ask facebook general counsel when he appeared before our committee in the house intense russia investigation. are you able to tell the american people fully what the russian presence was on your platform? i still don't believe we have a full understanding of what they did and how they weaponized facebook. >> from laurie's interview, it did not sound that facebook itself does not know. i want to bring this up with you as well.
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laurie asked specifically do you believe facebook impacted the result opening statement of 2016 election. mark zuckerberg's said it is hard to have a full assessment. do you believe facebook as a whole did impact the election? >> yes. there are still many questions about whether the adversary worked with the trump campaign and whether the trump campaign used facebook to amplify a stolen hacked information that the russians were using in their campaign. we should continue to explore this in our house investigation. today incidentally the republicans will vote for us to close the investigation at our committee meeting in just about an hour. i think that's the worst thing we can do in light of the new information that is brought forward to us. we should continue to understand the data operation that was put in place, bring in facebook, other social media companies, and finally use our subpoena power, which republicans will not use, to subpoena the
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documents so we can tell the american people just what happens. >> what is your recourse? you don't have the majority. where do you go? >> we ask the republicans to not end our investigation, to do what's right for our ballot box and our upcoming elections. we hope that the public sentiment and their own will to do the right thing prevails. i still hope that is the case. it would be so irresponsible to close the investigation today as this is all happening and put out an in complete and inaccurate report. >> when we look at cambridge analytica, are you aware of any federal probes? >> i'm not. i'm aware the questions we have asked of them, we have interviewed cambridge analytica. we couldn't use the subpoena power that republicans control. we asked for many documents that i think would have been illuminating whether they were working with the russians or what knowledge facebook had. we would like to hear from the employees who were down in san
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antonio working throughout the pendency of the campaign. >> all the questiothere is ques regulation. jackie speier said, yes, we need to look at regulation. what would a regulation look like for a platform like facebook when it has been difficult for people to define exact lu what it is. >> first to me is if you see something you must report something. if you see interference on your platform as they were seeing russians paying in rubles to advertise to americans, that should have been been reported to the fbi immediately. any political ad put forward in a coordinated way should have to meet the same requirements they would have to meet if it was put on airwaves, radio or television. there are already regulations in place as to how user data can be used. that is concerning to me.
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if facebook had knowledge that cambridge analytica had violated these data policies and they were working with the trump campaign and facebook was taking millions of dollars from the trump campaign so the trump campaign could put ads out to the american people, there's going to be to have some answer to go that. >> there are still a lot of things unanswered. one of the things he said is he's open to talking about regulation for advertising, as you just brought up. does it go beyond that, telling people who paid for what, where it came from. is there additional regulation in terms of privacy policies, how your information is used. what did that look like? >> many policies were already put in place once they would an agreement to work with the trump campaign. that is what's concerning. were these policies violated. now, i think going forward, congress can look at what default settings users should have on their profile pages so
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they don't have to opt in to more privacy and they're not exposed in the way for their data to be used by cambridge analytica the way it was this past election. >> representative eric swalwell, thank you. >> my pleasure. much amendmented stormy daniels interview set to air sunday. what will it mean in the court battle between the adult film star and the president's attorney? stormy daniel's lawyer joins us next. either way, this room came at an unbeatable price. no one looks out for you, like travelocity. with price match guarantee, you'll always wander wisely. bounty is more absorbent,mom" per roll so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand. so you get more "life" per roll. bounty, the quicker picker upper
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i guess i'm not 100% sure on why you're doing this. >> first glimpse into anderson cooper's long awaited "60 minutes" interview with stormy daniels on sunday. she will allegedly talk about her alleged affair with the president and taking a $130,000 payment this exchange for her silence. joining us now is her attorney, michael avenatti. a legitimate question, what is
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motivating stormy daniels to sit down and do an interview when she has cut a deal not to do so? >> i think we have been consistent, chris, in that my client wants a platform to speak to the american people to tell her story, to have the american people pass judgment as to the accuracy of that story, and to the extent that the president or mr. cohen have separate or different narratives, a different version of those facts, they should come forward, explain those facts to the american people, and let the american people decide who is telling the truth and who is not telling the truth. >> the nda has no language of the resuggestion. which means this can't be done. that is lawyer speak. she could say here's your 130 grand. going to talk. >> we made the offer that she would give the $130,000 back. all sides would agree the agreement is null and void.
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they don't want that. they have doubled and tripled down. they are threatening my client in $20 million of damages for her exercising her first amendment rights. >> she said she violates the agreement every time she talks about the situation. >> the threats, putting them under her thumb continue to this very day. now we have a sitting u.s. president, chris, threatening to sue a private citizen is for over $20 million for talking about their relationship. it's remarkable. i don't think it's ever occurred in the history of the united states. >> that may be true. but, you know, welcome to the new normal. he was a private were citizen when he cut the deal. he has the right to cut these kinds of deals. michael cohen said he never had any direct communications with your client. does that mean he can't be the person you're talking about? >> no. i think people can carry things
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out indirectly all the time. they don't have to carry things out directly. let me say this. i live in los angeles. this is like a bad movie set. everybody has a stunt double on the other side of this thing. you have the president who is nowhere to be found. he is relying on michael cohen. michael cohen is nowhere to be found. he is relying on his stunt double, mr. schwartz. the next thing you know mr. schwartz will have a stunt double. are the guys going to come out of the trailer and appear in person and answer questions? why are they hiding? where are all these guys? >> that's because this, while very relevant, is not a relevant setting for a legal dispute. they are saying they will settle it in court. they said you are doing the same thing. where is my opponent? >> chris, i'm right here. >> you have every reason to be on tv.
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>> i am right here answering questions, difficult questions. >> why? only ones you want to. you won't say what's in the enter is view. you won't say what proof you have. >> chris, new client sat down for a no-holds barred interview. where is the president? where is michael cohen? you say they say this isn't a proper forum? but twitter is? twitter is on all these other issues. >> the president isn't tweet building this. >> and isn't that remarkable. >> although stormy danielsis. is that trying to draw him out, go after him on twitter. >> we don't have to draw him out. he is nowhere able to be found. this morning he threatens joe biden. russia. what is he hiding from? >> people can't have it both ways. the criticism is he tweets about things he shouldn't, the business of the american people. do you think his time would be
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best litigating a past affair instead of the security of the united states. >> i think the last 18 months he spent a lot of time tweeting about things that have no relevance. whether he tweets or not is neither here nor there. at some point in time they need to step up and answer some very basic questions. what are they hiding from? >> the litigation is the best path to that, right? if it's found to be legally sufficient, they will have to respond. otherwise, they get defaulted on and you will get whatever you want. they seem to want to contest it. we will see how that plays out. as to the ancillary part of this, you said other women have come forward and you were in the course of doing vetting. that was about 10 days or so. what have you figured out? >> we're not in a position to publicly state what the allegations are and whether we find them accurate, whether we will represent one or more of those women. when we are ready to do that, we will certainly make it known.
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at this point in time, i want to preach caution. you know when a scandal like this happens, when something comes to the forefront, people come out of the woodwork. >> you can't dangle them for too long. eventually you have to say, we looked at them, they were nothing. or we looked at them and they were something. you can't dangle them out there because it is highly subjective and prejudicial. >> i agree with that, but ten days is not enough. we don't jump to judgment that quickly. >> let's go to so what, now what. so what he had an affair. i think that is bake spwaod the decision on who he was when they voted for him. i get there are issues about what did he do as president who may have tried to silence him. all right. we'll see how that plays out. but in the end, if storm danielsis free to say whatever she wants to say, what do the american people stand to learn here? >> i think they will learn quite a bit.
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>> other than any sordid personal affair details which i would argue i don't know how that benefits them. >> chris, there are two aspects of this. the act, meaning the relationship with mr. trump, and the coverup. and i think she's going to touch on both of those during the interview. those are both, in my view, aspects that are going to be covered during the "60 minutes" interview. >> yeah, i know. i would hope so. anderson cooper is arguably the best in the business. he's going to get to what he needs to get to. the coverup is what? somebody had an affair. they didn't want their family to know. their friend came forward and paid for it. now we are trying to figure out whether they knew and whether the money was actually theirs. what could be the seed that winds up being so significant to the american people that they needed to know this. >> this is engaging in thuggish behavior, threats, intimidation,
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and hiding the money trail. i think ultimately, chris, that's what this is going to get to. ultimately we're going to ensure that the facts are known to the american people. and individuals that are far more powerful than me, far more powerful than my client, they will ultimately determine whether those facts lead to something else, period. >> all right. we will see sunday. as far as we all know, sunday. you'll come in afterwards and we will digest what was actually out there. >> yes. >> appreciate you taking me on. you're not going to want to miss this other anderson cooper big-time interview, not just the one on "60 minutes", but he has an interview with playmate karen mcdougal tonight at 8:00 eastern. she also has a current legal action against the president. erica? police say the austin bomber left behind a video confession. what we are learning about a positive motive in terms of that deadly spree. a live report is next.
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erica. we are a few feet from the bomber's hope, the place police say he used to make the explosives that you used to terrorize the community the past three weeks. they are trying to glean any more information they been about this bomber. what they did find is a 25-minute videoc confession he recorded on his cell phone. he recorded it because he believed he was being cornered by police, that police were on to him. they say he talks about the explosives he used and the seventh he used to detonate while police were chasing him. he used that to kill himself, they say. we are starting to learn more information about his past. we know he grew up just north of austin and that he was home-schooled, eventually going to austin community college, dropping out before he graduated. we are hearing a little bit from his family, including his aunt, who is saying she is saddened by
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this tragedy. >> we are devastated and broken at the news that our family member could be involved in such an awful way. we had no idea of the darkness that mark must have been in. our family is a normal family in every way. we love, we pray and we try to inspire and serve others. right now our prayers are for the families who lost loved ones, for those impacted in any way, and for the soul of our mark. >> police don't believe there are any more explosives in the community, but they are still telling the public to remain vigilant because they don't know what wr this bomber was in his last 24 hours. two people dead, others injured, including a 75-year-old woman recovering from her injuries. >> we have to stay on that, the continuing threat. nick, thank you very much. so police in testimon tempe, ar
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releasing video of a self-driving uber vehicle hitting a woman who later died. it does not show the impact but can still be disturbing. she was crossing the street with her bike. that's when she gets hit. the car was going 40 miles per hour. you can see the uber operator looking down before looking back up in shock. uber has temporarily halted all driverless testing. all right. people are going to want to talk about this one. where are you on it? >> well, it's always given me pause. i get a little nervous about not having control of things. you look at accident numbers and statistics. the gross majority are caused by human error. toyota yesterday halted its testing of autonomous vehicles. part of the issue here is our technology reporter samuel burke
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talking about this yesterday, it isn't designed for residential streets. it is designed for highways. to recognize lines on the roads and other cars but not to recognize pedestrians. >> ai, artificial intelligence, and how it works, technology is the future. this is going to come. how it's researched, how it is developed, how it is put into place, those are all going to be the variables. you will see a harsh reaction now. it will be back. it's the future. provocative new piece with jared kushner and the saudi arabia crown prince. he reportedly said he has kushner in his pocket.
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all right. interesting piece in "the intercept" that could shed new light on the close relationship that has developed between saudi arabia's crown prince and jared kushner. what does "the intercept" have? they're reporting that the crown prince is boasting to the
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emirate crown prince and others that kushner is, quote, in his pocket. joining us is one of the authors of this report, d.c. bureau chief ryan grimm. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> the prince is saying i have kushner in my pocket because -- >> his evidence is that when i met with him in late october of this year, he brought me the names of political dissidents within the royal family and other elites in saudi society that u.s. intelligence collected and determined were kind of skeptical of the crown prince's rapid rise. a week later is when this famous ritz royal roundup happened, they turned the ritz in riyadh into a prison for his cousins and other people close to him. he said, look, jared kushner aided me in this crackdown. what we've independently
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confirmed is that there was indeed an intelligence report that had a list of names of saudi royals who were skeptical of mohammed ben salman and kushner in those briefings and he has shown a particular interest in intelligence briefings. what precisely happened between kushner and the prince that went until 4:00 a.m. we know, we don't know precisely, but we do know that's what happened on both sides of it. >> you're got circumstantial evidence and they're going to have a question of correlation versus causation that. is articulated here as, so, if these names were provided and kushner knew them, do you know that he told the prince about those names and even if he did, was it acceptable for him to do so under some type of condition of their agreement? anything on those? >> so there would be two levels
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of that. if kushner had the permission of the foreign policy apparatus or the president or both, then he would be completely within his legal right to share those, and it would be an expression of kind of a covert u.s. foreign policy to help mohammed ben salman crack down on corruption and solidify power in his country. that would be a remarkable development. it would be u.s. interference in saudi arabia's internal politics. if, however, he was doing it on his own because he thought it was a good idea, then it does implicate some handling of classified information laws. >> now, is there another potential level to this of qatar and saudi arabia and ongoing matters there including with kushner where his father may have been working qatar to get money for one of their properties and how that works with this, is there any
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connection to those in your reporting? >> all kushner's activities in the gulf are seen by a lot of observers through this light. we know that jared kushner remains a major partner in kushner companies, a real estate firm, they're deeply under water on their 666 fifth avenue, jared kushner's touchstone purchase in 2007. if that goes down, it could bring the entire kushner companies with it. we know from previous reporting that charles kushner in april of 2017 directly pitched the qatar government for money to bail out this project. qatar said no, and just weeks later kushner took the saudi's side in a diplomatic dispute when saudi and the uae blockaded qatar. several months later you have this continuing pro saudi effort on behalf of kushner. so it absolutely does raise questions of whether this was
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part of u.s. foreign policy or whether it was part of the global expedition to acquire refinancing funds for this under water property. >> now, his lawyers say they're not even going to dignify these questions, so they didn't answer them. you have more digging to do on this. so do the rest of us. appreciate you giving us a couple pieces to the puzzle ryan. if nothing else, once again dealing with a manifestation of the problems created by apparent conflicts of interest. that's new in our government, people so prominent on the business side and affairs intentionally or unintentionally leak into their public work as well. ryan grim, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thanks. >> be well. we're following a lot of news, a big headline morning for you on thursday. so what do you say, let's get after it. >> facebook knew about this in december 2015. >> this was a major breach of trust and i'm really sorry this
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happened. >> this is a moment of crisis. we have learned that robert mueller's team has indicated several areas they'd like to speak to the president about. >> these questions focus on whether donald trump himself obstructed justice. >> there is a thing where the coverup is worse than the crime. >> we have located a 25-minute recording where he talks about what he has done. >> at this point we don't know what the motive was. >> our biggest concern was to make sure nobody else gets hurt. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." it's thursday, march 22nd, 8:00 in the east. alisyn is off. erica hill joins us. after days of silence, facebook ceo speaking out for the first time and doing it with cnn. remember, this is days after the cambridge analytica scandal broke. the data firm with ties to
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trump's campaign improperly obtained private information of millions of facebook users. that much we know. but there's a lot we don't. now mark zuckerberg is apologizing and vowing to prevent this from happening again. >> cnn has learned special counsel robert mueller's investigation is interested in asking president trump about four topics if he sits down with them for an interview, all of this as the house is set to vote this afternoon on a $1.3 trillion spending package. will lawmakers pass it in time before tomorrow's deadline to avert another government shutdown. we begin with cnn's laurie segall live in san francisco with more on her exclusive interview. >> reporter: as you said before, people are waiting to hear from mark, waiting for him to come forward for the accountability. so much anger over what happened with this user data. so many unanswered questions. i

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