valuable in leadership roles. this is a test the president is doing, this is straight out of his playbook. tv producer in chief. >> thank you very much to brian stelter, and thank you for joining us. our breaking news coverage continues with the interview with karen mcdougal. breaking news involving the adviser who will be at the president's elbow if it ever comes down to pushing the button. a three-star general is leaving, his replacement, a former ambassador, a tv pundit who's been called by some a loose cannon. and my interview with karen mcdougal, a relationship that began a few months after melania trump gave birth. if launmelania is watching this what would you want her to know? >> ooh, it's a tough one.

>> or say to her. >> yeah, what requecan you say t i'm sorry. i'm sorry. i wouldn't want it done to me. i'm sorry. >> more kara mcdougal tonight. thatt that's ahead. and the naming of john bolton as mcmaster's replacement. something the white house said last week was not happening. >> sarah, you took to twitter last night to ensure the public that mcmaster's job was safe. but has the president spoken directly to mcmaster, carson, scholtens to tell them that their jobs were at stake? >> i spoke directly to the president last night. he asked me to pass that message along to general mcmaster. >> well, that was the old message. the new message is more like thanks and good luck.

the latest from jeff zeleny who's at the white house. so sarah sanders, that was a week ago, what happened? >> reporter: a lot of things happens in six days, one of the things that happened was the leak of the phone call of the president with vladimir putin. his national security advisers giving him a message, do not congratulate putin. he did congratulate him. but the reality is, this has been in the works for weeks. we have been reporting that the president has sort of fallen out a bit with h.r. mcmaster, and they were simply looking for a time to do it. but at the time of that press briefing last friday, we spoke to senior advisers throughout the white house that friday and all this week, and no one knew this was coming. few people knew it was coming at least. john bolton didn't know it was coming. he said on answer view with fox news this evening he didn't know it was going to be announced this afternoon. so you get the sense the president trying to speed this

up to perhaps interrupt the other programming of the evening, but it is clear the president had lost support of h.r. mcmaster and decided to make that decision after john bolton met with hem fim for abon hour in the oval office this afternoon. >> and i understand john bolton made a promise, what was that? >> he's been over here to the white house several times over the last weeks, and in the months, talking with the president, the president watches hem on fox news. he watches his commentary, and our caitlyn collins is reporting this evening that john bolton made the president a promise to not tastart any wars, perhaps tongue-in-cheek there but certainly a point as it comes to his hard-line view, certainly much different. what we're seeing here is a reshaping of the trump presidency, really week by week by week, putting in hardliners. people who agree with the president. yes men.

where does this leave james mattis. he's meeting with the president and other cabinet secretaries here tomorrow. anderson that is correct will be a very interesting meeting. >> thanks very much. i want to bring in maggie haberman. and was this departure, maggie, as amicable and as mutual as the white house is saying? >> i mean, to the extent that can you be ritually hugh mill yatesed with stories leaking out. i will say that things, look, things between president trump and h.r. mcmaster were never good. they didn't have a good rapport. the president didn't like h.r. mcmaster's briefing style. the president sort of likes to mix up these conversations when they're in brefrings with his schtick and h.r. mcmaster did not respond to that typically speaking, but john kelly really did not like h.r. mcmaster, and

that, i'm told by several people accelerated this time frame. >> do you know why he didn't like him in. >> i think there are a variety of reasons, some of it is four star versus three star. i think they disagreed on policy aspects. but h.r. mcmaster was generally the odd man out in this sea of military figures with whom the president has surrounded himself. john kelly did not want john bolton. this is not a pick that the chief of staff wanted. knowing this president and how he makes decisions as you do and i do, you can envision a world where maybe it was an attempt to knock off your interview with kara mcdougal later tonight. >> you think that's possible. >> anything is possible with him. i think there's a possibility because john bolton resisted he decided to do it for that reason, the latest of a series of impulse purchases on staff. >> what do you make of the

choice in. >> -- >> first of all, they ushered someone out the door in the least gracious way you can do t one thing he wanted out of this was a fourth star. he wanted to command and go back out on the field and continue serving his country. he didn't particularly want this job but was prepared to do it. i just think it's so unfair to these people when they come in and sacrifice. and one thing, to hear that mattis is now talking is really scary. because bolton represents a very big swing to the right, in terms of the center of gravity among his advisers. if you think three countries, iraq, north korea, and iran, on all three, he has been very hard-line. he was a big advocate for going into iraq early on, back in the bush administration. he has, on the question of north korea, he thinks, he said publicly, he says these upcoming talks will fail. he's talked about a fall-back position that may lead to war. and, on iran, with a big

decision coming up by this prid, ju just a few weeks, he's going to have bolton saying this is a bad deal. >> i'm afraid, john bolton was not contacted until yesterday and asked to come to the white house today. and the big question was, can you, john bolton is a pretty strong personality, can you realize that you have to put your own positions aside and the president's thought or policy. and i think bolton had to make clear that he could do that, that he could also read the nuances of the president and think ahead of time, which is not something mcmaster found easy to do. bolton was able to communicate that. on north korea, which this president has prided himself in saying he thinks he can get this deal when almost no one else thinks he can. it is deaf fifthfinitely true, president is surrounding himself with people who are going to

acquiesce with him, which is not what he had for most of the last year. you had gary kohn, who is a moderating influence, a bunch of other people, h.r. mcmaster was certainly one. and he is one by one, replacing them with people who are going to make things less hard for him. and i think that is the significance. >> and that's by design. that's not an accident. >> that's by his design. and i wrote about this the other day. he, whether he would ever acknowledge it or not, he had a lot of anxiety heading into this job. he knew it was something you cannot play at, he had not thought about it at all. he needed other people for a long time, because he couldn't figure things out. he now thinks -- and i'm not saying he's right -- he understands one current white house adviser described it to me as trump is starting to view the white house more as he did the trump org. and that's what's happening. >> ever since maggie wrote that great story about the emboldened

trump three days ago, it's been true, it really has captured exactly where he is. he's thrown off the training wheels, essentially, he says i can do this on my own. but he's surrounding himself in the meantime with hardliners. the idea that bolton is simply going to present him with the views of everybody else. >> and that he won't, quote, start any wars. >> he is going to have strong views himself. he's very smart. bolton is a very smart fellow. and he's principled. he's a very principled hard-liner. but his views on almost every case are very far to the right of the mainstream. >> this is not a job that requires confirmation. >> right. >> from the senate. and in fact, john bolton became the u.n. ambassador without actually having to go through confirmation. i think it was a recess appointment. >> i'm not sure about that. but it is certainly true that this is someone who would have challenges going through confirmation, we're already seeing mike pompeo in terms of

moving from the cia is going to have confirmation issues. i think the president is seeking to get around that as much as possible. >> i think one other thing that shows up that is distinctive about these appointments in recent days, not only are they hard-line, but somebody who has made a name for himself on television as a comment tater. >> absolutely true. >> cnn just had on erin tonight, navarro. you're going to see a lot more of that. this is what he wants, a tv-oriented president. >> and a president who believes on tv nobody has really defended him that strongly, except norfo couple of people. kellyanne conway is one of those people. people are not on tv talking the way he wants them to talk about his administration. >> and he certainly watches -- >> he says he doesn't. >> he says he doesn't. but gets to know these people, john bolton, through television.

>> a couple i think he actually knew personally. i think that one's a little different. bolton, it's funny to your point about the physical aspect of this. most of what the president talked about, about john bolton during the transition, when he chose not to give him this job in the first place and not to give him secretary of state and a host of other jobs was his mustache, that was the singular part of derision. that tells you a lot of how the president looks at things. >> coming off the trade deals and the announcement and how it's rattled the markets, this is going to send a signal overseas of greater instability. up next, my interview with kara mcdougal. she talks about the donald trump she came to know over a ten-month love affair, the affair spanned that long. the money she says he offered her after their first time together and the emotional

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before the 2016 election with the company that owns the "national enquirer", which bought the rights to her story. the lawsuit says the magazine bought her story to kill it, there by protecting the candidacy of candidate trump. she is one of three women speaking out just this week about the donald trump they say they knew. if we could just start at the beginning, how did you meet donald trump? is >> i met donald when they were filming the "celebrity apprentice" at the playboy mansion. i was hired as one of the playmates to work at the pool party. the it was quite fun, actually. >> you've worked for playboy for quite some time. >> yes, after being playboy of the year i was required to work so many events at playboy. that was one of the events, there were a lot of women there, we had a great time. and that's how we met. >> how did you actually meet?

>> he said hello like he would to anybody and throughout the night, it was kind of obvious that there was an attraction from his part to me. and i kind of blew it off. >> you could see him looking at you? >> oh, i could see it, and the playboy bunny, she's like the house mom is what we call her. she made a comment like wow, this guy's really into you. that's when i started paying attention, and he was. and i kind of smiled, i thought it was kind of cute and funny. and at the end of the night, after striking up many conversations, we exchanged, he actually asked me to write my phone number down for him to keep. >> you wanted to see him again? >> i thought it would be fleiss to communicate with him and talk to him. i actually at that point didn't consider dating or going out with him. but i did think he's an interesting person. he's brilliant, and i like smart minds, and i think i was interested in the communication for sure. the. >> when was the next communication? >> i believe we talked right away on the phone, and i think

we talked for about a week on the phone before his next visit to l.a., and that was his birthday, which i think is june 12th. >> would he call you? >> he would call me, i would call him, vice versa. >> so you had his phone number. >> i have many of his phone numbers, yes. >> do you have a direct number for him? or did you have to go through somebody else? >> i have his direct phone number, i have quite a few of the direct phone numbers. i had his bodyguard's phone number, his personal secretary's phone number. at the time it was twee. i don't know her name. it was twee. >> did his number show up in the phone? >> no. >> it would show up as what? >> i think it showed up as a 212. >> like a blocked number? >> correct. >> no caller i.d. >> right, correct. the. >> and what were the conversations like? >> the conversations were like any other conversation you have with a nice person.

we got along great. we had respect for each other. we had fun. we were funny together. we had a good time. we would talk about anything and everything, from what kind of food do you like to how's your family? he asked me how my family was, to politics to anything. like just normal every day life conversations. >> when did you actually decide to see him again? >> you mean after the june 12th? >> yeah, after the initial meeting, after the phone conversations. >> after our first meeting on june 12th, i decided to see him again, actually that night i didn't think i was going to see him again, because i was an a little bit put off. >> was the june 12th, was that the apprentice event? >> no, that was our first quote unquote date. >> tell me about your first date. the. >> our first date, i was told we going to go to the beverly hills hotel for dinner. he had told me keith his bodyguard was going to pick me

up at a certain time, and he did. and we were drive together beverly hills hotel and keith drove around to the back and said we have to get out here pause we don because we don't want to walk through the hotel. and at that point the i was thinking to myself, are we going to a room? we had dinner for a few hours, talked for a few hours. we had a great time, getting to know each other, talking about his birthday, and thenen as t a night ended, we intimate. sfla when you got to the beverly hills hotel and keith said we're not going to go through the lobby, was it to a room at the beverly hills hotel or a suite the? >> -- >> it's a bungalow in back. and he called it the nicest bungalow they have. that's where we went every time.

>> were you concerned when you realized you weren't actually going out to dinner but eating at the bungalow? >> i think that first night i was concerned because i wasn't expecting to go to a hotel room or bungalow. i thought we going to dinner. and i think at that moment is when i realized maybe something else is going on. >> i'm a smart girl. i think i was so nervous to actually meet with him in general that it kind of just didn't even, it wasn't in my thought process at that moment. i was too nervous too actually meet him, so. >> were you attracted to him? >> i was attracted to him, yeah. he's a nice-looking man. i liked his charisma. he's got great posture. and he was nice. >> so the sex was consensual? >> it was consensual, yes. >> and what happened afterward? >> after that night? >> you said you sort of ended on a strange note. what happened after you had been intimate?

>> well, after we had been intimate, he, he tried to pay me. and i actually didn't know how to take that. >> did he actually try to hand you money? >> he did. he did. and i said, i just had this look. just, i don't even know how to describe the look on my face must have been so sad, because i had never been offered money like that number one. but number two, i thought, does he think i'm in this for money or why i'm here tonight the? or is this a normal thing? i didn't the know, but i looked at him and i said that's not me. i'm not that kind of girl, and he said oh, and he said you're really special, and i was like thank you. i left, i got in the car. keith the taking me home and i started crying. i was really sad. it really hurt my. but i went back. >> hurt you that i saw you that way? >> yes. hurt me that he saw me in that light. and he obviously assumed that that's the kind of girl i was. maybe because i was a playmate. i don't know. but.

>> even though you'd a night of conversation and days of conversations, it hurt you that it boiled down in the end to that. >> it did hurt me. it did hurt me. i was crying in the back seat of the car. like i said, i got home to my apartment and i cried for a lot. i felt really terrible about myself, let alone what he felt, but i felt tashlg about myself. i got over it, but i felt hurt. >> did you think you would see him again? >> i didn't. i didn't think i would see him again. but he called and i was in a bad place in my life. i never felt good enough in my relationship, not that that's any excuse, it's not. but i think i was so down on myself that when he called, and he's so sweet, like what everyone sees on tv i didn't sigh in th see in that man, because that plan was very sweet, very loving, very kind. that's the man i saw. >> he's very charming in person. >> he's very charming, very sweet. the his personality to me was, wow, like i loved him.

he was great. >> when was the next time you saw him? >> you know, i'd have to look back at my, i took a journal back in the day, and not for anything in particular, but to this day, i still write down everything i do during the day. that's what i do, so if i looked back i could find out, but i think it was in that same couple days to a week. when he was in l.a., he was there between three, five, six, seven days, and i usually saw him. >> you gave us the journal that you kept. you would write down on days you saw him, you wouldn't write out his full name. >> no, i either called him t or d.t., because if anybody found this i wouldn't want the to expose myself or expose him. >> so there's a number of days here, looks like dozens over the course of time with a small little d.t. and sometimes they're hard to see. >> i purposely kind of chicken

scratched on that's correct because i know wh there. did i see him quite a few times? quite the a bit? absolutely. we spent a lot of time together. >> did you tell friends about it at the time? >> i did. i told a few friends, and i told my sister. i actually told my mother that i knew him and we talked on a regular bay circumstan regular basis, and i told him we were just friends. the sheep ki kind of scolded me little bit, told me you should be friends he's married. my sister heard him on the phone, he was on speaker. when you have a relationship with somebody, you don't hide it, right? if there's feelings, you don't thied relationship. >> did i ever ask you to hide it? >> no. >> there was never a conversation. >> one point he said does your

sister know, and i said yes, she knows, so she wasn't afraid to hide it at all. >> you knew he was married. >> yes, i did. >> did you bring up his wife? >> no, i never brought up his wife. he did once. and that's only time i remember, he said she was an intelligent woman, she knew four or five languages, i didn't bring her up. i felt guilty about it. so after never seeing her until the one occasion, i never correlated the two, really, kind of out of sight, out of mind. >> when you met, it was 2006. >> correct. >> was theis shortly after his son had been born? >> it was. the. >> would he talk about his son? >> no. the only thing he said about his son was don't you think bear ar

is a nice name? and i said yes. >> how did you view it, how did you view the relationship? >> you know, going through it, when i look back, i know it's wrong. i'm really sorry for that. i know it's the wrong thing to do. but back in those days, sorry. back in that day, i was a different girl, you know, i had fun. i was in the playboy scene. i was just enjoying sleeve as much as -- life as much as i could. and when i got with imhahim the were real feelings between the two of us. not just myself, not just him.

there was a real relationship there, and i kind of out of sight, out of mind with everything else. and deep inside, i did have a lot of guilt. but i still continued. >> you believe, though, that he had real feelings for you? >> of course he did, mm-hm. i know he did. >> he would say that? >> he did. >> were you in love with him? >> i was, yeah. >> and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was, yeah. >> did donald trump ever say to you that he loved you? >> all the time. he always told me he loved me. yeah. of course. >> did he have any nicknames for you? >> he would call me baby, or he'd call me beautiful karen. >> would you always see him just in los angeles? >> no. no, i wouldn't. i actually went to a golf tournament with him in lake tahoe. i went to his golf course in california. i went to his golf course home

in new jersey. i went to his home in new york. and trying to think where else. i can't recall right now, yeah. >> when you say you would around to go splar to go someplace, how would it be arranged? >> i would pay for the flight, i would book did myself. i would book the hotel room if i didn't stay with him. usually i stayed with him, but there were a couple times i didn't. and he would reimburse me. so if the flight was $500, he'd give me $500 and say take care of the flight and all that. >> why would he have you book all the travel and hotel room? >> well, there's no paper trail. >> and, did you realize that at the time? >> yes, i did. >> because he was concerned about it being revealed at some point and there being a paper trail? >> i was told there is no paper trail. i can't say what his reasons were, but i would assume that's

the case, yes, yes. >> and keith schiller, was he very much involved in this, picking you up, sending messages back and forth, things like that? >> i did have a lot of correspondences with keith. yes. and i got to know keith pretty well, like keith always picked me up, dropped me off, take me to and from, whether it's an event, the beverly hills hotel or wherever we're going, keith was always involved. keith is a nice man. yeah, i got to know him. he's funny. >> you said you went to a golf tournament in tahoe. >> i did. >> there were other people now who have come forward saying they also had met with him and had sex with him at that event. were you aware of any other women? >> no, i was not. i mean, i was with him a lot, so i didn't see anything, but could he have stayed a day longer than me? sure. >> did you think that this relationship was going to last for a long time?

did you -- >> i did. >> you did. >> yeah, i fit elt it was getti much stronger. you know, there were no gifts ever, but a christmas gift, i got him a gift. and he told me the gift he got me was an apartment in new york, but it's being remodelled right now. i never saw the apartment, because i ended up breaking up or ending the relationship, but that was supposedly my gift. i don't know. >> you went to his actual apartment in trump tower. >> i did. i didn't know i was going there. i actually had a hotel room in the city at that time. well, for this trip. >> what was it like going up to trump tower? >> i didn't know i was at trump tower. we went to the back entrance, so i had no idea where we were going. the back entrance as you probably know is more discrete. 's like a little nothing hallway vir sus when you walk intothe grand hallway. so we went into the back entrance, and at that point i realized where we were going, and i said aren't you afraid to

bring my here here, and he said they won't say anything. so we looked around. >> to his office or his apartment? >> his opapartment. he showed me around. >> what did you think of his apartment? >> it's very gold. it's great views. >> he showed you around the apartment? >> he did. >> did he reference melania at that point? >> her answer to that and her first encounter with the future first lady when we continue. maria's always on the go,

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before the break, you heard former playboy model karen mcdougal describe how she says she and donald trump met, the sweetness she saw in him and the reaction to what she says was an offer of money after their first intimate encounter. we should know ms. hope hicks called her allegations totally untrue. she told us her account of another jarring aspect of meeting with a married man and

his family. here's part two of our sclieexce conversation. >> did he reference slaunl at that point? >> yes, we passed a room, and he said it's melania's room. i thought maybe three were having issues. i didn't ask. it's not my business. >> how did you feel? >> guilty, very guilty. i couldn't wait to get out of the apartment, i think. doing something, doing something wrong is bad enough, and when you're doing something wrong, and you're in the middle of somebody else's home or bed or whatever, that just puts it a little old stab in your heart, and i just couldn't wait to get out of the apartment. i wanted to go back to my hotel room. >> it made his other life real. >> it made it more real to me, yes. made it more real.

>> did you see baron? >> no, i never saw bearon. >> where's this picture from? >> that's from the party at the playboy mansion and they had the release party when the "apprentice" actually aired. >> this is a picture with ivanka trump, melania trump, several of your colleagues and yourself. >> correct, mm-hm. >> did, was that the first time you met melania? >> it is. and honestly, you can tell, i tried to keep my distance. i tried to go as far away as i could, just because i felt guilty. >> do you think she knew? >> you know, maybe. maybe. i don't know. you know, it was told to me that they were arguing that night, and i said why? and somebody had said probably because of you. but i don't know if that's a

fact or not, so don't quote me on that one. >> there's another picture with, it's you with eric trump. >> mm-hm. >> do you know where that is from? >> i believe is that's from the trump vodka release party that he had, which was within a couple of days of that other party. >> did it feel strange to meet his son, eric? >> it did, but he was such a friendly guy, like, again, when you're doing something wrong, you try and push everything out of the way and make it as right as you can in your mind. so i mitt, you know, all his kids, except for bar 3 on, of course. and i just started to shake it. but now it gets to me, but then it didn't. >> did he ever compare you to any of his kids? >> you know, he, he's very proud of ivanka. as he should be. i mean, she's a brilliant woman.

she's beautiful. she's, that's his daughter, and he should be proud of her. he said i was beautiful like her and, you know, you're a smart girl. and there wasn't a lot of comparing, but there was some, yeah. i heard a lot about her. yeah. >> did that strike you as odd in any way, or? >> you know, i know a lot of people think it's odd. there's been some comments i've heard in the news he's said about her, i think those comments are wrong, but do i think it's strange that a father would love his daughter so much that he brags about her? no, i brags abo about my dog th much. >> some is speech are not going to believe is that ythat you ha relationship, hope hicks has said you didn't have a relationship. when you hear that denial, what do you think? >> i think somebody's lying, and i can tell you it's not me. it's a little hurtful, but at the same time, i have to understand, if he were to told

hope that he didn't do it, i guess i understand, he's trying to protect his family, his image. things like that. but, it was definitely a little, like, wow, you're going to lie about that? okay. >> whether y >> when you heard the stories of stormy daniels who has come forward who says she was at the tahoe club as well and others who said that they were there, you didn't know about that at the time. >> no, i did not know. >> does it, what do you think when you heard that? >> is my first thought is how cd she have been with him when i was with him? the only time we weren't together on that particular trip was when i, he was on the golf course golfing. i didn't go, clearly, but i went to every event, every after thing, parties, daytime things, i was there. that's why i can't understand. now i do remember lihim saying,e came in one time and said oh,

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liked him enough, that's something you would have liked? >> maybe. >> did he, at the time, say, tell you that you were his only girlfriend? or did that subject -- >> you know, we never really discussed that. i knew he talked to ladies, but i didn't know there was anything else. i didn't know he was intimate with other ladies, but i guess if he's, makes sense, if he's doing it behind his wife's back, why would he not do it behind my back, so. >> but at that time, in the frame of mind you were in then, you thought you were the only person. >> i thought i was the only one, i did. i thought i was the only one. >> do you have any text messages, photographs, videos, anything that would dispute the hope hicks' statement that this never happened? >> let me just say this. if you're in a loving relationship, do you try it --

try to collect evidence? >> you weren't thinking that. >> no. not at all. only thing i have is my journal that i kind, and i still do it today. it wasn't out to get anybody or, gosh, get anyone in trouble, but those are my notes. those are for me. no, when you care about somebody, you don't try and set them up in any way, shape or form. that's my opinion. >> but i'm just wondering if, some couples take a lot of pictures, put them on instagram or just take pictures for themselves, that isn't anything you two would do. >> privately? >> yes. >> no, i wouldn't want anybody to find me in that compromising position, let alone him. i felt more about my selself. i wouldn't want anybody to see pictures of me like that. i'm protective of mayim any ima.

>> were you worried about people finding out? >> i was for a while. there were a couple instances where we were out in public, and he had his hand on my back, and i kept thinking, i'm looking around, there's a lot of people. i'm like how do these people, like, what are they thinking? i don't know what they're thinking, so i thought it was going to get out. i was scared every time we went to an event, i thought this is going to get out. i didn't want it to get out. but at the same time, i felt so honored to be with him in a sense that i didn't care who knows, but i didn't want that reputation, either, so it's like the saying, damned if you do, damned if you don't. >> you didn't want it to get out because -- >> i mean, look at the bad things people are saying about me now. i didn't want it for him then and i don't want it for me either. >> you said all those times you saw him, this was an ongoing

sexual relationship. >> absolutely. >> how many times did you actually see him? >> again, when you're in a relationship, do you count how many times you have sex? no, however, i can tell you we saw each eara minimu -- other a up to five times a new i think i ended the relationship april 2007. we saw each other quite frequently. >> dozens of times you were together. >> many dozens of times. >> this another tough question and again you don't have to answer it. it's been raised with other people, did he -- >> no. >> was that better or it didn't

concern you at the time? >> you know we talked about it. we discussed things. did you you do blah, blah? >> who ended the relationship? >> i did. >> why? >> i was just feeling so guilty. it was just digging inside me. that maetd it hard made it hard. whether they get alorng or not it's still a family. i just needed to get out of it. i just needed to get out of it. tfts teari ing it was tearing me apart. >> that's a hard thing to do to

end any relationship. >> it was very hard. >> i knew i needed to get out. >> how did you end it? >> he wasn't in town. this isn't working for me. he's like why not. i plblamed it on my mom. i said my mom knows about you but she would be really devastated if she found out we were having a relationship and being intimate together and the feelings and doipts wai don't w disappoint my mom. it is what it is. we ended it. we started talking again in 2009. he got us a room at the trump hotel in vegas.

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karen mcdougal said she and donald trump had an affair for ten months. an affair that began while he was married to melania trump. the white house has called allegations of an affair untrue. mcdougal stands by her story. more now of hthe exclusive interview. >> did you think about rekinds ling the relationship?

>> not while he was married. at that point in time i would never do that again. no. >> you didn't speak -- you told friends as anybody would tell friends about a relationship but you didn't at any point during this time, 2006, 2007, 2008 try to reach out or did you of the relationship ended think about telling your story publicly? >> never. >> 2007, 2008. no, in fact i had media contact me h 2011. i for the life of me couldn't figure out who would leak something like this. i'm asking all my friends. i called him. i'm like did you tell fwhanybod. are you letelling anybody? he said no. i had manager, i had a couple of journalists following me. i had an old manager write them letters saying she did not have

an affair relationship. i denied everything. i didn't want it out. >> you put out a denial to this in 2011? >> i did. did they print that denial. i don't know. my manager e-mailed this one reporter who wouldn't give up. you guys are persistent. he had to say leave karen alone. you're done. wh why would you want to destroy their life more than you already destroyed their life. >> at one point donald trump announces for president. he's going to run. he gets the republican nomination. at what point does this start to come back or this becomes

suddenly in the fore front for you again? >> i was watching the republican debate with a friend named johnny. he's one of my good friends from many years ago. he said, you know, this story is a big story. i said no way. it's not going to happen. you know where i stand on this. i'll never say anything. we dropped it. >> you friend was saying this story, meaning the story of your relationship? >> right. johnny's a democrat and i'm a republican. i voted for donald. yes, i did. we dropped it. then later on, maybe a week or two later an ex-friend or old friend started on social media started talking about my relationship. she was part of that. she knows everything. she had started putting it out