suddenly in the fore front for you again? >> i was watching the republican debate with a friend named johnny. he's one of my good friends from many years ago. he said, you know, this story is a big story. i said no way. it's not going to happen. you know where i stand on this. i'll never say anything. we dropped it. >> you friend was saying this story, meaning the story of your relationship? >> right. johnny's a democrat and i'm a republican. i voted for donald. yes, i did. we dropped it. then later on, maybe a week or two later an ex-friend or old friend started on social media started talking about my relationship. she was part of that. she knows everything. she had started putting it out there. it was being seen.

i came to johnny one day and i said, look what she's doing. i said do i need to worry about this. he said absolutely you do. he said you need to get ahead of the story now before everyone else takes your story and manipulates it any way they want to and make it this very ugly thing. you need to control your story and tell your truth. i said, you're right. that's what we decided to do. that's where johnny one day comes over and he's like, our mutual friend that we have, found this guy named keith and he's going to help you share your story. >> keith davidson, an attorney? >> correct. >> an attorney for stormy daniels. >> i didn't know that. >> you contacted davidson? >> i didn't. johnny did. within a matter of a couple of days keith came out and we all had lunch together and he wanted

to know details. we sat down at lunch for a couple of hours. i gave him details and keith was like this story is worth many, many millions. i'm like okay. we talked about it. that's when keith brought it to ami. >> did you know that keith, your attorney, was going to go to ami, which is the parent company that owns national enquirer and other magazines? >> he said ami. i didn't know what it was. we have this company that will probably want to hear your story. >> what was the thought of selling the story, in your mind? >> to get my truth out there. i wasn't looking for money, clearly. when he said it's worth many millions, i'm like, you know. >> that was something hard to pass up? >> sure. of course. if you fast forward, i ended up not wanting to do that deal.

we were going to go to abc and tell the story just to get the story out there and for nothing. there was no pay. >> did keith have a meeting with ami? >> we did. >> you told them your story? >> we told them the story. they didn't think it was very credible even though off the record they said dylon believes your story. clearly when they came back they said it wasn't believable. >> dylon being? >> dylon howard. she's with ami. they had a 12-hour window to accept whether they wanted the story or not. they didn't want the story. >> had that named a price or what they might be willing to pay? >> keith had just thrown out numbers. many millions. not just maillions. when they turned it down, i said okay. i still have to get this front of story because it's still

getting put out there. we went to abc be. they were very interested. i got cold feet and said i can't do this. >> you meet with people from abc news? >> yes. they were very interested in the story. when it came down to it, i just got cold feet. i didn't want the story coming out of my mouth. i didn't want anyone to know what i had done. i didn't want anyone to know from his side what he had done. i wanted to keep it a private matter because it was very private between us at the time. >> did you still feel a sense of loyalty? >> absolutely. orveg i d of course i did. i didn't want to hurt him or anybody. absolutely. >> then what happened? you decide not to go ahead with abc? >> i decide not to go with abc. i told them, you know, i got cold feet.

my mother wouldn't be happy with me for sharing this story. i always put my mom in the mix. i just backed out. i just backed out. then the republican, he won the republican nomination and ami was interested in the story again. >> once donald trump won the republican nomination, you're saying ami suddenly came back to you with interest? >> to keith. to us for the story. >> why do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back? >> they wanted to squash the story. >> you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump? >> i'm assuming so, yeah. the offer, which we didn't discuss or haven't discussed was they had offered me a big contract for work, for modelling and fitness and things like that. my life has been health and fitness. >> they said they were going to have you be a columnist?

>> correct. they said i would write columns. one article per month in okay macki mack magazine and four columns on radar online for two years and two magazine covers and their reasoning was like you've been a successful model, fitness, et cetera. we want to help you continue and rebrand you. you're older now we want to jump start a new career for you and get you out there. i'm like this is perfect. what model wouldn't want that especially as an older model. you're like this is great. yeah. then the side deal was we're squashing the deal. >> did you know they were buying the life rights to your story?

>> i did. i knew i could never talk about him. >> this wasn't a non-disclosure agreement. this was a great business opportunity. you're going to get the cover of some mag vooazines and sell the your story and not going to be any ramify kags of the story getting out? >> absolutely. who wouldn't want to get this work and that work could lead to other work. of course i was excited. >> in essence you were happy to have the story killed? >> yeah, of course. i never wanted to come forward. >> you were going to get $150,000 for it and launching a new career? >> more importantly, i looked at it as i was doing work, and i'm

getting paid for that. it was more about the way it was presented. it was about we don't want to tarnish your image an deep your brand wholesome and whole. that's awesome. that's great. that's the whay i perceive this contract. have you heard the term catch and kill? >> i had not. >> do you know what that is now? >> i do now. i do now. >> what's your understanding of catch and kill is? >> from what i'm learning is a catch and kill is somebody for like, yourself, taking a story about someone you like or care about or have a friendship about or they squash the story so it didn't hurt you. or hurt them. >> ami which says they don't do catch and kill but a number of former employees have told the new yorker that it routinely they have done catch and kill. they have purchased the rights to a story, done an interview, get your story about donald

trump but then they never publish it. they own the rights to it and you can't tell it to anybody else. the story is killed add a favor to, in this case donald trump. >> right. >> that's the allegation of what was going on here. did you realize that at the time? >> i knew the story wasn't going to be printed. >> why do you think they squashed the story? >> back then or now? >> now. >> they didn't want to hurt him. >> you think it's because of a personal relationship with the guy who runs ami is friends with donald trump? >> correct. >> do you think -- you wouldn't know this but do you think donald trump would have been affair of this deal that they were doing him this favor? >> i wouldn't know.

based on what i'm learning as we're all learning together as wraed and one of the big complaints with why i think bhi contract is illegal is because his attorney was talking to my attorney so -- >> you're saying donald trump's personal attorney was talking with keith davidson. >> without my knowledge. i would say sum that maybe he knew. i know his attorney did. i can't say he knew. >> how did you know they were in communication? >> i didn't know this. i'm learning as you're learning it. >> to you the idea that michael cohn would be in communication with your attorney at the time, theoretically there would be no reason to have communication

with your attorney. why was hi involved in my deal and why wasn't i told he was involved? that's not fair and it's illegal. >> how quickly was the ami deal done? >> once we agreed upon the jobs, the financial payment and things like that, it was done very quickly in matter of day or two. basically i was going out of town and i said i'll get back to you in a week when i get back into town. they said the deal needs to be done now. i was like okay. it was done with that night or the next day. >> do you remember what day this was or when this was in the presidential race? >> it was in august. i assigned the deal august 6th. it was probably august 5th or 4th that we finalized and signed on the 6th. i don't remember. >> this was in the last month or

two of the presidential race? >> uh-huh. >> do you think the presidential race had anything to do with this deal getting done? >> when i'm looking back at it now, possibly, yeah. >> how so? >> well, as an american citizen, we know that if you don't put all your evidence out, so to speak, that you know or if you're paying to squash stories or if you're given illegal campaign funds, we know it's illegal. i'm new at this . i'm learning this stuff. >> would it have been potentially damaging if your story had come out in the last month or two of the presidential campaign? >> you know, i don't know how damaged it would have been. you've seen the other stories about him. it didn't hurt him. would it have been damaging politically speaking?

probably not. however, i think it could have damaged maybe family. i don't know. i mean, it depends on who you ask. with the illegal campaign fund, i think that definitely would have damaged. the rumor of somebody's rumor or someone saying you had an affair or relationship, does that really damage people? >> the thought of telling your story to ami, some people hearing that will think a, you wanted money and b you wanted to damage the president. >> i voted for the president. i voted for donald. why would i want to damage him? th that's my party. that's my president. i did not want to damage him or hurt him in any way shape or form. i also didn't want to put off the story because i didn't want my reputation to be damaged. i care about myself as much as anyone else reputation or personal life.

i love fitness and health. >> when you first went to ami and keith davidson said they would pay millions for your story. had they said we're going to run this story and pay you $2 million. would you have gone with that? would you have done that? >> probably not. >> really? >> it's hard to say but probably not. it's a lot of money but you have your conscience. i'm a different girl today. i've returned to my roots of my faith. i'm going to church. i'm involved in ministry. it's not where i want that to go. >> do you believe this deal would have been made with ami know whing what you know now? >> probably not. >> you're convinced now this was an effort to do a favor for

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mpbl befo before the break you heard karen mcdougal say she voted for donald trump. she voted after she heard the access hollywood tape. >> i'm wondering what you felt. >> you know what, i was disgusted. i had not seen that in him at all much like when our relationship was going on. i didn't see that side of him at all. he was very respectful. he was a gentleman. i had friends go he's really respectful to you. his hand is always on your back or shoulder. i didn't see that side of him until i started watching tv. that's not the man that i knew. i was kind of disgusted on those comments. i've heard my brothers say things. that was pretty bad. >> it wasn't just locker room talk as he said? >> i've heard my brothers locker room talk. did he mean to say it? he said it. would he really do it?

i don't know. i've never seen that side of him. >> when you heard other women coming forward, alleging inappropriate touching, inappropriate behavior, i'm wondering what you thought. >> again, i was kind of mortified. i was like wow. is he capable of that because i didn't see that. clearly, women have their stories and their opinions and if they were violated like that, they should come forward. >> ami has put out a statement saying that you can talk to the media. that you're free. >> i saw that statement too. according to their attorney, i can't. it will be financial ruin. >> they still own the life rights to your story. >> they do. >> they can transfer those life rights to some other publication, correct? >> i don't recall that part. i'd have to see that.

it's been a while since i read it. >> ten months after the election, david pecker had lunch with you. wat was the genesis of that? what was the point? >> i was told that david pecker wanted to have lunch with me because he was happy about the way i answered my interview in one of the article magazines. i don't remember which one. he wanted to thank me and thank me for my loyalty. >> loyalty. >> he said loyalty. >> loyalty to ami in loyalty to -- >> i thought to ami. i don't know exactly what he meant be that. i think it's probably maybe a combination of both. i don't know. >> do you know what happens next with ami now that you're speaking here? >> there could be a big lawsuit against me. there could be financial ruin but that's why i have really good attorneys to make sure that doesn't happen. am i squared?

do i feel threatened? absolutely. i feel i had to protect myself. i had to stand up for myself. i almost feel violated in the fact i didn't know what was going on behind the scenes. i'm quite mad at that. i'm angry. i feel taken advantage of in a sense. i want the right to be made. i want it to be right. >> you filed lu ed a lawsuit bu are speaking to us. what's the point of the lawsuit? >> why did i file a lawsuit? >> i want my rights back. i want my life rights back. it's been -- yeah. i want my life rights back. i feel like the contract is illegal. i feel like i wasn't presented correctly. i was lied to. i want the rights back. i want to share my truth because everyone else is talk about my truth which i need to share my story. everyone else is talk about it. i've never talked.

my friends know, my family knows. i wanted to keep it quiet. now that it's out. i need to control it. i need to control it. >> do you feel better having spoken? i do in a sense. i do because i'm standing up for myself now. i really didn't do that before. now people know my truth. i'm not a liar. i'm perceived as a liar or this and that. all these bad names. i did what i did. i'm not proud of it. i feel terrible about it. i'm a new woman and i'm standing up for myself. >> when we come back, the answer to this question. >> what would you want her to know?

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may hope to gain from speaking out. >> some people hearing that say you're in it for the money. they're going to say we're not paying you for this interview but you may go from here and write a book or make a movie or whatever it may be. to that you say what? >> bottom line is this i've offered to give back the 150 even though i only got 55% of that. i've offered to give back the 150 to have my story rights back. the story is out there now. i'm not telling the nitty gritty details. i'm selective in what i'm saying about our relationship. i'm not out to make money on this. i'm out to get my rights back to prove a contract was illegal and i was taken advantage of and go back to my life. period. >> is part of this because people, the white house have said you're lying. you're not telling the truth.

>> no one likes to be called a liar but it's more about the illegal portion of the contract and them not fulfilling what they promised me. they promised me this work. there are only ten articles in okay magazine. ten in star and maybe seven on radar online. i'm supposed to get four more month. the two is up in august. i've gotten nothing out of this. >> you this think the whole talk of helping you relaunch a new phase -- >> it was fake. they didn't want to help me. i thought they wanted to keep my reputation clean from what they said. they wanted to rebrand me. they wanted to -- i'm an older model now. they wanted to make something a new start. they promised me all these wonderful, beautiful things. even when i met with david pecker and dylon and keith in new york after this was back august. they offered me many more opportunities but i haven't seen anything yet.

that's not part of contract. my point is they keep dangling the carrot. i'm not playing that game anymore. >> have you spoken to my women with similar stories who have come forward? >> no. i haven't spoken to anyone. i've heard other stories from other people. it's hearsay. it's not like the directed to me. i can't comment on that. >> would you have come forward publicly if stormy daniels hadn't come forward? do you think it made an impact on you? >> i think it made an impact. it takes a bit of fear away. the way i'm treated and the behind the scenes that i wasn't aware about and all the work i'm not getting which i contracted for.

if you didn't get what you were told in a contract work wise, wouldn't you say something? of course. >> do you have any regrets about the relationship? >> back then? >> yeah. >> the only regret i have about this relationship that i had with donald was the fact he was married. if he weren't married, i wouldn't have any regrets because he treated me very kind. it was a good relationship while it happened. had i known at the time there were supposedly all these other women, no. i wouldn't have been in the relationship. i didn't know that at the time. no regretted except the fact that he was married. >> if melania trump is watching this, what would you want her to know? >> it's a tough one. what can you say except i'm sorry. i'm sorry.

i woun want it done to me. i'm sorry. >> reaction our panel. mark, let me ask you in terms of the lawsuit she has filed, is it clear to you what legitimacy it has? >> i don't understand it. i'm perplexed by it. i don't understand why she's doing interview with apologies to you. it could have been handled differently. my guess is keith thought he was doing something good. he was leveraging a deal with

ami. >> mark, she says she wants her life rights back from a plrks i. that's what they own in that contract. is that something she is sue to get back? >> you can sue. when you say you want your life right backseat a and you're not this for the money, that's another thing that's perplexing to me. i don't understand the end game. it's probably above my pay grade. it doesn't make a lot of sense unless she's out there and wants to increase her fame quotient and figure this is good way to get her career out. most judges that i know are going to rule that she violated this. she got what she was supposed to get which was 150 grand. there may be something where they would have had a better case if she hadn't violated.

if she said i was supposed to get these other appearances but some judges will say you had a way to enforce this. >> allow do you see this? >> this was astonishing. i'm trying to grasp. i feel like i want to take a shower only because have we ever seen something like this where we're talk about the president of the united states. she was totally credible. i am confused about what her legal strategy is but i do know what she has described in her suit being double dealt, i can understand why she wants -- why she's mad about that. she feels like he was -- it was underhanded. >> you believe the affair existed? >> i mean she was -- she had very specific -- she knew his

number, the name of his assistant. specific dates. i don't think there's a question about that. the fact that ami did this catch and kill thing is a real question about whether this is a contribution to the campaign. that issue is before the fec which is a problem because that's probably not going anywhere. the only other recourse on the campaign finance thing whether -- is this a violation. is it illegal. did the president act illegally or his team or ami give a contribution like that. that's to be resolved through the department of justice that would mean the u.s. attorney in los angeles would have to file some sort of action. who is the u.s. state's attorney? it's appointed by jeff session. >> that's one of the things that interest me. affairs is one thing. people have affairs and it is what it is.

i hadn't realized about the catch and kill thing that ami says they don't do. the new yorker had interviewed a former ami employees who said that's something they do. >> i agree with the governor. first of all, i couldn't take my eyes off of it. it was such a compelling interview. she was so -- this is going to sound maybe weird but very relatable. she was very relatable as a human. not in terms of what she did but a human being. she gave some honest answers about feeling guilty and so she came across as somebody who was sympathetic in that way. certainly there are a lot of people who will say there's no sympathy here. you were a mistress and you were messing around with a married man. just in terms of the legality. we'll see what she does from my perch looking at this in terms of politics. i'm not sure how much this moves

the ball to the president's detriment. this is more meat on the bone of what we already knew that he had affairs and he never hid that. >> she was so credible. he has denied it. what do people in the religious community say about it? there's going to be this other interview on sunday. it's a boom, boom. >> because some of these things came out before he was elected. >> he denied. >> yes. even hearing what he said on the access hollywood tape. the answer in the evangelical community that supported him in a big way is we're keeping our eye on the ball that is the supreme court, his policies and so far he's delivered. >> they have said it was a long time ago and maybe he's a different person now. this was a long time ago. i think it falls into the same

category with them. we have had a president that h happened to. it was bill clinton. he had an affair and he said it didn't happen with jennifer flowers. he lied about it. i don't think this is something that we haven't seen before. i'm just going to be consistent. when it was bill clinton. i said it didn't have any bearing on anything. it was between him and hillary. i think this is between melania and donald trump. i don't understand what miss mcdougal is trying to accomplish. she side she was happy they didn't run the story. she said she didn't want the story to come out. she said she doesn't want to hurt melania or the family and she sits here and has this hour long conversation talking about this. i'm just in a total loss to understand what is the end game here. what is she trying to do. >> in terms of the lawsuit, this is the bogus lawsuit. there was an offer, acceptance, consideration. she didn't like the deal.

there's no way there's an fec violation. it was by a company. a payment that goes -- that people admit happened time and time again. it's consistent with what happens in the industry. >> it may benefit donald trump but he's not necessarily named it in it. that's legal? >> correct. there's no indication this is an fec violation. >> it's a little suspect. >> you have to agree that a couple of months before the general election, they don't want her talking. they pay off to have this story killed. that's a benefit to him. >> how is ami made these types of payments and other individuals? >> how often have ami executive been a friend with donald trump and how often have they done it

on behalf of a president? probably never. >> this goes back to john edwards. that was settled. it's settled now. >> it's different from john edwards. >> i think if these things came out during the kpacampaign, it wouldn't have made a lick of difference. i seen somebody who was in love with donald trump. i think still has an ifection. i voted for him. i never saw that side of him on the access hollywood tape. i still see someone who has warm feelings. if you look at where the polling was in december and where it is today. both trump and the republican party are in better shape. in mid-december he was sitting in the high 30s opinion he. he's sitting at 42. the generic ballot is about a six-point spread right now. in a couple of polls it's less than that. there have been people asking is this hurting donald trump.

is this hurting the republican party. i think these interviews may change the public relations dynamic. this has not hurt the president one shred. >> david. >> i don't know where to start. i thought the interview was well done. i found it painful to watch. having the president of the united states have his life intimacy of his life. we have had other presidents have affairs. john kennedy could barely go three bdays without having a relationship with somebody. he told that to the british prime minister. to have all that out there is like is demeaning for the republic. i think it lowers our politics. we're just down in the muck. having said that, i thought she was very kredsable on their relationship. very importantly the fact that her lawyer called the president's lawyer. he wouldn't have made that call

did he not believe it was true that this was happened. he believed that was credible. i think she's much less credible on why she's going on television. >> we have not been able to confirm that call. >> that's a good point. i think on the question of why she did this interview, given the fact and you were saying she said she signed the agreement with ami because she wanted to kill the story. it wasn't catch and kill in the way we have been led to believe. she wanted to have it killed. that's part of the deal. why she has turned around like this, there are many different explanations. i think though that, listen, there's a certain repugnance to all this and it ain't going to help. i think you've got series of

these stories coming out and a lot of women will say yuck. >> we got to take a quick break. one quick note, we mentioned ami has released statement about the contract and her allegations about efforts to keep her from speaking. i'm quoting here. karen mcdougal has been trfree respond since 2016. the suggestion that ami silenced her is completely without merit. she promised to write health and fitness columns and appear on the cover of the magazines. ami has a valid contract and look forward to reaching resolution. we should note about what she said regarding communications between keith davidson. wree we reached out to both of them have not received a response. the allegations not fair and

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another change that seems like a never ending shake up in the white house. h.r. mcmaster is out. john bolton is in. he has given countless speeches and interviews. he told tfox news his past comments is behind him. >> there's no united nations. if you lost ten stories today, it wouldn't make a bit of difference. >> our biggest national security crisis is barack obama. >> we have to know facts here. it's not at all clear to me just viewing this from the outside that this hacking into the dnc and the rnc computers was not false flag operation.

>> i think the only diplomatic operation left is to end the regime in north korea by having the south take it over. >> bolton said those comments are behind him. what matters is what the president said and the advice he gives him. >> it is a big change. john bolton is somebody who, i'm told, had very good meetings with the president. they, after those meetings, kind of clicked personally, which as we know from the way the president has been operating lately is become more and more important to him. >> all the reporting was he didn't do that with h.r. mcmaster. >> he didn't at all. he didn't like his style. his briefing style. with john bolton it was different. having said that, they could not have more different world views when it comes to the big things which is iraq. >> bolton was a big supporter.

>> and still is. to this day does not say it was a mistake. he said they would have done it again and the president campaigned on the idea that he thought it was a terrible idea. he's much more of a hawk. he's much more of an internationalist. having said that he's working for somebody who doesn't share those views and there's no question, it's hard to believe they didn't have those conversations about their differences and how that would work if he were with the president. >> i'm wondering what you made of this. >> i'm a john bolton fan. i've said many times, i think the president deserves to have a staff he get along with and trusts and can have actual exchanges with and bhiemight leo the best possible outcomes. they have different world views but he was clear about

understanding his role as a staffer and not someone who is out there setting the policy. if the president's more comfortable with this, i think that's good. it's interesting the president's posture on north korea right now is far different than what ambassador bolton posture has been as recently as february when he was advocating the possibility he >> the president deserves to have the people around him, and he deserves to have the people around him that he wants, but to suggest this is not going to make a difference when they come right down and have a counsel and a meeting of the nfc of the president, i think these have both moved the center of gravity towards a much harder line position on both north korea and iran. i'll be really surprised now, it looked like the president was tilting out of getting the iranian agreement. i think the chances have just

gone up a lot, getting out of the iranian agreement. john bolten is a very smart man, and he's had a lot of interesting statements. he's not going to put his believes behind. he's not going to be a neutral arbiter. he's got views, and that's what he does. he's going to be trying to advance his policy. it's really significant now that the president, a series of big -- everything has moved towards a harder line, a more combative line whether it's trade or north korea or iran. you can go down the whole series. and even his personal lawyers. >> well, there have been controversial people in this position. henry kissinger had strong views. >> absolutely. he had a huge impact on policy. it's a rare national security

advisor -- that's not just who he is. >> but the last job i think he had was in the bush administration and he was under secretary of state. this is really the president sort of again looking to this conservative infotainment people that are just policy people. and he wrote the forward to pamela's book, a top of the line islamaphobe. i think it says something this is the kind of person the president wants to have around

him in this position. >> and to me, everything he has written, this aggressive interventionalist is totally opposite of what the president campaigned on. and so i give it ten months. >> i agree he's a hard liner, he's hawkish. but i also heard tonight on the news channels folks talking about how the president keeps pointing to a yes man. >> he does seem to be very much in line, pompeo. >> philosophically they can be in line and they can get along. i think he's put in good people in place that he trusts. >> it is interesting the television aspect which you raised on this. one goes back to where he talked about the generals that he learned from watching on television, which was sort of an offhanded remark and some made

fun of at the time, but i wonder how much this is playing into this. >> you see a lot of staffers ending up there because they're on tv. whether it's larry kudlow getting a position there, and sam stein from the huffington post made a joke. we know he looks to fox and friends every morning to sort of get his ideas. so i think him seeing john bolten who's on fox all the time has definitely played a huge role in this. >> that's because you're good at messaging and a good messenger doesn't make it a bad policy. i think the president is right. he's looking to folks who can carry that message. >> and that's what maggie haberman was saying the last hour, too, is that he feels

there's not enough people saying what he wants on television, pushing his agenda. >> he clearly didn't like the way mcmaster was communicating in the oval office. he wasn't a tv presence. he likes the way cutler talks, the way bolten talks. they can be good on policy and good arbiters of policy, but if the white house never finds a way to communicate the good things they're doing it'll be hard to get up to 50%. >> he's pushing out people who are more moderate or at least seem to be willing to work with mueller and bringing in hard liners. it's the similar, you're going to have a bunch of bulldogs in there, a whole bunch of them. and while he wants people that are going to be aggressive and muscular, they also have ideas that may not be consistent with one another. >> thanks, everybody. we'll be right back. more news ahead. e she is.

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thanks for watching 360. time to hand it over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts right now. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. here's our breaking news. h.r. mcmaster out, john bolten in. president trump replacing his national security advisor with a former u.n. ambassador and fox news analyst. a source tells cnn the move comes after weeks of discussion. so when sarah sanders denied mcmaster was on the ropes last week the president was actually in discussion with the general's replacement. when the president himself called the story very false, that was a lie. >> so there'll always be change, but very little. it was a ver