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guilt you're leaving behind children and gred dread you're missing the milestones. we give these families a chance to have fun, have positive memories. we are trying to give each family their own unique treasured time together. >> to find out more about how john helps these families and to nominate someone you think should be a cnn hero, go to cnnheroes.com. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. >> good evening. we begin tonight keeping them honest with the deafening silence from president trump and the white house on the two women, two this week alone, saying they had affairs with mr. trump just a month after his son was born. a former playboy model went into great detail about what she said was a 10-month intimate relationship with mr. trump, and stormy daniels whose conversation with me airs sunday night on "60 minutes." not only has there been a
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deafening silence from the white house, but also reports that the white house is trying to alter the news cycle to keep the stories out of the head lines. we'll have more on that in a second. but today, after signing a bill to fund the government, which by the way, in the space of a few days he endorsed and threatened to veto and didn't veto in the end, the president was asked three questions. two he answered, one he did not. >> thank you all very much. >> lying about the affairs? >> well, on the way out to marine one, the same story. >> mr. president, is karen mcdougal telling the truth? >> mr. president, any comment on mrs. mcdougal? >> will you watch "60 minutes" on sunday? will you watch "60 minutes," mr. president? >> well, the president also ignored questions at joint base andrews taking the long way to avoid members of the press. this is a president who, as you know, doesn't shy away from speaking his mind about even the most serious allegations against him, including allegations of sexual misconduct.
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he is, however, silent about the alleged relationship karen mcdougal said she had with him, though in the past, hope hicks has denied there was any relationship at all. here's some of what ms. mcdougal told me yesterday. >> were you attracted to him? >> i was attracted to him, yeah. he's a nice looking man. i liked his charisma. i love, you know, great posture. he's got great posture. and he was nice. >> so does the -- the sex was consensual? >> it was consensual, yeah. >> just to be clear. and what happened afterward? >> after that night? >> you said you sort of ended on a strange note. so what happened after you had been intimate? >> well, after we had been intimate, he tried to pay me. and i actually didn't know how to take that. >> did he actually try to hand you money? >> he did. he did. and i said, i mean, i just had this look of -- i don't know,
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just -- i don't even know how to describe it, the look on my face must have been so sad, because i had never been offered money like that before, number one. number two, i thought, does he think i'm in this for money or why i'm here tonight, or is this a normal thing? i didn't know, but i looked at him and said that's not me. i'm not that kind of girl. he said, you're really special. i was like, thank you. so i left, i actually got into the car for keith to take me home and i started crying. i was really sad. it really hurt me, but i went back. >> hurt you that he saw you in that way? >> yes. hurt me that he saw me in that light. and he obviously assumed that that's the kind of girl i was. maybe because i was a playmate. i don't know. >> even though you had a night of conversation and days of conversation, it hurt you that it boiled down in the end to that? >> it did hurt me. it did hurt me. i was crying in the back seat of the car, like i said. i got home to my apartment, and cried a lot. i felt really terrible about myself, let alone what he felt, but i felt terrible about
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myself. you know, i got over it. but it did hurt. >> as you enter a relationship, obviously, any relationship, you start to think about where this is going to go and how you feel. how did you view it? how did you view the relationship? >> you know, going through it, when i look back where i was back then, i know it's wrong. look, i'm really sorry for that. i know it's a wrong thing to do. but back in those days -- sorry. >> it's okay. >> back in that day, i was a different girl. you know, i had fun. i was in the playboy scene. i was just enjoying life as much as i could. and you know, when i got with him, i actually, you know, there was a real relationship there. there were real feelings between
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the two of us, not just myself, not just him. there was a real relationship there. and i kind of out of sight out of mind with everything else. and you know, deep inside, i did have a lot of guilt, but i still continued. >> you believe, though, that he had real feelings for you? >> of course he did. mm-hmm. i know he did. >> he would say it then? >> he did. >> were you in love with him? >> i was, yeah. >> do you think he was in love with you? >> he was, yeah. >> did donald trump ever say to you that he loved you? >> all the time. he always told me he loved me. yeah. of course. >> so where is this picture from? >> that picture is from the apprentice release party that they had at the playboy mansion. they filmed it like a month beforehand, which is where i met him. then they had the release party when "the apprentice" actually aired. so that's when that one was. >> this is a picture with ivanka trump, melania trump, several of
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your colleagues and yourself. >> correct. >> did -- so was that the first time you met melania? >> it is, and honestly, if you can tell, i tried to keep my distance. i tried to go as far away as i could just because i felt guilty. >> do you think she knew? >> you know, maybe. maybe. i don't know. you know it was told to me that they were arguing that night. and i said why. and somebody had said, probably because of you. but i don't know if that's a fact or not, so don't quote me on that one. >> there's another picture with -- it's you with eric trump. do you know where that is from? >> i believe that's from the trump vodka release party that he had. which was within a couple days of that other party. >> did it feel strange to meet his son?
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eric? >> it did. but he is such a friendly guy. like, again, when you're doing something wrong, you try to push everything out of the way and make it as right as you can in your mind. so i met, you know, all his kids, except for barron, of course. and i just tried to shake it. but now it gets to me, but then it didn't. >> did he ever compare you to any of his kids? >> you know, he's very proud of ivanka. as he should be. she's a brilliant woman. she's beautiful. she's, you know, that's his daughter, and he should be proud of her. he said i was beautiful like her. and you know, you're a smart girl. there wasn't a lot of comparing, but there was some, yeah. i heard a lot about her. yeah. >> did you think maybe this would lead to a marriage? >> maybe.
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>> that's something, though, you liked him enough, that's something you would have liked? >> maybe. >> if melania trump is watching this, what would you want her to know? >> that's a tough one. >> or say to her. >> yeah. what can you say except i'm sorry. i'm sorry. i wouldn't want it done to me. i'm sorry. >> well, the white house press conference scheduled for 1:00 today was canceled. the issue was sure to come up. then the president tweeted he would have a pres conference today, which raised the possible he himself would take questions on it, but there was not a press conference at all. as you saw, he answered two questions off mike and avoided the third about ms. mcdougal. we asked for a statement but still haven't gotten it, and quite understandably, no statement from the first lady, who hosted what was billed as a
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woman of courage event at the white house. >> let us think for a moment about what courage truly is. courage is the quality most needed in this world. yet it is often the hardest to find. courage sets apart those who believe in higher calling and those who act on it. it takes courage not only to see wrong but strive to right it. >> the first lady did tweet out a photo yesterday. she and the president with a snowy lawn in the background. it should be noted, she doesn't send out a lot of tweets of pictures with her husband. she sent it about ten hours before the mcdougal interview hit. also, yesterday, the official white house schedule hit, saying the couple would depart the white house together. however they did not. however in florida, it was family all the way down the stairs, the president, the first lady, and their son. as for the departure, we reached out to the first lady's office for an explanation or comment on the change but did not receive a response.
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jeff zeleny has been told by sources that the president's announcement of john bolton after dumping his secretary of state, was done in part to take the spotlight off the interview with karen mcdougal. if jeff zeleny's sources are correct, that would be an extraordinary move, even for this president, announcing the replacement of a top adviser, at least in part to deflect from a former playboy model talking about a 12-year-old alleged affair. jeff zeleny did the reporting on the curious timing of the bolton story, who's also the one trying to get answers from the president today. jeff joining us now from the white house. the president not wanting to say anything at all about this today. >> reporter: anderson, he did not. we asked him questions, shouted questions to him as he was leaving the white house south lawn. at the end of a very busy day here, a very tumultuous week here. clearly did not want to answer these questions. it was notable he was walking alone. melania trump, the first lady, was -- arrived separately to andrews air force base outside washington. we, of course, saw them departing there in west palm beach, florida, but certainly,
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there was a sense here today, anderson, this was a different moment. as for the announcement of john bolton, i was told by administration officials that this did play a part in it. it was always scheduled to happen, but it was going to be announced as part of a bigger group of announcements. now, of course, the president controls the timing on all of this. he was also furious this week about a leak from the vladimir putin phone call, when he was told not to congratulate him. so many things played a role in this. but i am told the president, as we know, watches cable television, and other television, and reads many newspapers, was keying in to this, and clearly was eager to change the subject. anderson, certainly, as the family, the trump family is in mar-a-lago for the weekend, it's unknown what the status of their time together will be. of course, we'll be watching for the president on social media, other places, but certainly, this had a different feeling today here at the white house, anderson. >> jeff, appreciate that. in just the last few moments, we
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got breaking news on the silence from the president. the "wall street journal" is reporting that the president has been asking advisers whether he should break it and publically fight the allegations. the journal is reporting that the advisers told him there's no sign the allegations have hurt him with voters and have warned him it would look inappropriate to engage with among others a adult star. maggie haberman is with us. thanks for being with us. i saw you on new day this morning. you were talking about exactly what the journal is reporting tonight, about advisers telling him that there is no upside to coming out on this. >> and there really isn't. look, he's been cautioned over time that there's no upside to a lot of the fights he picks and he usually can't help himself. he's been pretty restrained this time. him asking advisers about what he should do, and that is something he has been doing for a while, but i think that he is watching night by night, your interview with ms. mcdougal, all
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of us talking and saying he's being really silent. then that makes him think, maybe i shouldn't do it. so then he asks his advisers what he should do. i expect he will stay silent as long as he can. as long as he can keep himself from doing it. this is a very unusual feeling for him, to have to just sit and kind of absorb things. to have to bring the press along with him on a plane. normally, he can block people out and handle things as he wants on his terms. can't do that as president. so i think this is just a challenge for him. >> especially, regarding stormy daniels with this interview, which has been two weeks coming. and the attorney for stormy daniels has been very public, you know, challenging in a very public way. >> he's beating him, yeah. >> that's got to be difficult for this president, for this white house. >> it's, as we know, an incredibly reactive white house, which we have seen again this morning when the president threatened to veto essentially because he was watching and hearing criticism of the spending bill coming from his political base. he looks at tv, and he responds to it.
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he hears what's being said and responds to it, so yes, he has been baited repeatedly by the lawyer for stormy daniels who is essentially saying, you know, he tweeted out i think a picture of a cd last night, which he then said today contained proof of some kind of an affair. and he essentially taunted the president to keep going. the president on that one, he has become part of this arbitration case. so he is actually joining that fight in a pretty public way. it's dramatic for him to be suing somebody for damages in this way. while then sort of saying i know nothing about it and this isn't true. i think that the longer this goes on, i think the harder it is going to be for him to stay quiet. >> it was interesting just hearing jeff zeleny's reporting that sources of his are telling him at least in part, the timing, the way the bolton announcement was made, may have had something to do with the interview last night. you actually talked about that yesterday as a possibility. and i gotta say, when you said it, i kind of thought, there's
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no way that would actually -- >> you had surprise in your voice. >> i did. the idea that he would affect an announcement based on an interview with somebody whose story has been out there, but this was the first time she was talking on television, yet, jeff is reporting what you intimated yesterday. >> look, i don't think that was the only reason, but i do think that was certainly an added benefit. john bolton, remember, he was -- john bolton was public about this. he didn't expect to be offered the job when he was. he didn't hear anything from the white house for a while until suddenly getting this call the day before yesterday, please be in the oval office. this is a president who is pretty aware of what is taking place on television. it is hard to believe that he was not aware of this. >> the other question, that means sunday for the "60 minutes" interview. >> buckle up. as your interview -- yeah, i think that he could do something. he could just let it ride. i think that one is going to be really hard for him not to challenge. i found your interview with
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ms. mcdougal, it was sad. there was sort of a sadness about it. i think stormy daniels and michael avenatti in that case have been much more in the president's face. and i could see him reacting more to that. >> yeah. the story -- well, it was also interesting, ms. mcdougal, this was a ten-month-long according to her, relationship in which she felt love toward him. she claims he felt love toward her as well. so you had a story earlier this month about the president's legal team shake-up. and i am reminded by what the president's response to that story was, saying the failing "new york times" purposely wrote a false story stating i'm unhappy with my legal team on the russia case. i'm going to add another lawyer. to help out. wrong, i'm very happy with my lawyers. went on to complain about you. of course, your reporting. this is just yet another example of you reporting something accurately. the president attacking it as fake news. in particular, naming john dowd. john dowd left yesterday. >> yes.
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>> there's been reporting on h.r. mcmaster, when he would go. >> "the washington post" story. >> fake news. >> it was accurate. it was accurate. >> tillerson, which has been going on for quite some time. again, all of this stuff. at a certain point, you would think either the president or maybe the people around him already do, would realize that the more he calls stuff fake news that then is revealed by his own actions to be true days later, the less credible he becomes. >> he doesn't care. they're trapped in his unreality bubble. one of the things i think has come up repeatedly is, two things. we know that he likes to test the limits. and if he sees he can get away with something, he'll keep doing it. if he can keep talking publicly and intimating he's going to maybe shut down the mueller investigation, even without saying that, and the republican leadership in congress doesn't more vocally challenge him, he'll keep doing it. you know, in terms of his staff, his staff has gotten a lot of criticism for, we have all
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written about this one went out and lied. this one went out and lied. in some cases, people are lying. in some cases, people are told a lie by him, and they don't know. that's not a reason to stay in a job, but it ultimately all goes back to him. this is how he does things. he clearly, when they yell fake news, it is very hard to take it seriously. he believes he has a base that is essentially always going to be with him and believe whatever he says about these stories. that's what he's banking on. it's really hard to get re-elected without expanding your base, but that's clearly if he runs for re-election, how he's going to do it. >> maggie haberman, thank you very much. plfrt it -- appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up next, perspective from two republicans. a former trump aide and one of the president's critics. >> later, breaking news on guns. march in washington and other cities, action from the administration on bump stocks. so lionel, what does being able to trade 24/5 mean to you? well, it means i can trade after the market closes. it's true. so all... evening long. ooh, so close. yes, but also all... night through its entirety.
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administration on bump stocks. the breaking news, late journal" along with similar reporting from cnn, "new york times'" maggie haberman that the president is told to stay silent on affair allegations. his aides say there's no evidence it's hurting him among voters. he and his wife and son arrived at mar-a-lago, and it may make a difficult weekend for the first couple. last night, former playboy model revealed details of what she said was an intimate ten-month relationship that began shortly after melania trump gave birth. and sunday, my conversation with stormy daniels will air, who said she too had an affair with the president shortly after melania gave birth. karen mcdougal pointed out she's a republican and voted for the president even after hearing the "access hollywood" tape. >> i voted for the president, i voted for donald. why would i want to damage him? that's my party, republican party. that's my president. >> joining us, gop strategist rick wilson. also former trump lawyer, white house lawyer, james schultz. appreciate both of you being with us.
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rick, we talked about this last night on the program, that voters -- americans elect a president, say that voters elect a president, not a pastor in chief. is there a red line here, you think? >> i think one of the things we're really going to test in the next few days is the fact that voters sort of internalize that donald trump was kind of a skeezbag in the campaign, but they didn't have it in their face. they didn't have these women telling their stories as directly as they are now with what looks like emergent evidence of these affairs and these engagements with these women. i think it's a little bit more of a test now, particularly for his evangelical base because if you look at the situation holistically, stormy daniels and the new person that came out yesterday, they're not the last. they're the beginning of the beginning, not the beginning of the end. >> jim, is there a point, you think, at which the president's supporters will start to care about all this? we talked about it last night. a lot of evangelical voters and leaders have said, again, you know, we're not looking for a pastor in chief.
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>> yeah, i think this is somewhat old news. we walked through this time and time -- we walked through this during the campaign cycle. during the campaign cycle, these issues came up time and time again, including billy bush. that was in your face. as in your face as they come, and the voters didn't care. we have seen it develop. the news media has been hitting this for the last 30 days and his numbers continue to go up. with the evangelical base, i think time will tell. but what the evangelical base seems to care about are conservative judges like neil gorsuch and the circuit court judges on the court. the president's put on the court, and also looking at the religious liberty issues and the success that we've had in this administration on religious liberty. i think they're looking at those issues and him keeping his promises and less about the issues that took place years and years ago. and maybe there are more to come out in terms of allegations, but i'm not sure it's going to matter. >> rick, it's interesting hearing karen mcdougal who is a female republican who voted for
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the president, even knowing what she says she personally knew about the president and the relationship they had, and obviously, the "access hollywood" tape. so if it didn't matter to her in terms of who she voted for, i'm wondering just on women voters, republican women voters who voted for the president the first time, whether it will have some sort of cumulative effect or not. >> well, if you look at the polling right now, you have already seen republican women voters very much walking back from the party in a lot of the elections we had in the 2017 and 2018 window so far. republican women, particularly college educated republican women, are the president's weakest supporters inside the republican cohort, and they have pretty much flipped over. so i think that the continued pressure of the stories, and again, you know, the point was made that we saw this during billy bush. no, we didn't, actually. we heard it. i think if we're going to see the women giving their testimony and i think if we're going to see the women producing documentary evidence, it's a totally different situation for the president.
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i also think that there may be a moment, and i don't want to be too flippant about this, but it's kind of horrible to contemplate, but if there are naked pictures of the president, that's going to be a news story that blows up the world, and it's going to be a problem. and i also think that the legal overhead of this, the constant back and forth with his incompetent legal team with michael cohen and those folks, that just drags the story on and on and on. it's like a bleeding chest wound. the guy just -- his own lawyers can't get him out of the way of this problem. >> i think the other -- >> go ahead, jim. >> i think on the legal front, and on all the other crowd noise that's going on day in and day out in news cycle after news cycle, whether it's russia or stormy daniels or the substantive issues going on, tax reform, north korea, all the things happening at one time, i don't think there's one particular issue that's breaking through and really resonating with voters at this point.
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it as relates to -- i mean, the president's numbers are going up. >> rick, it is interesting, "wall street journal" reporting tonight about what the president's advisers are telling him about not to respond. maggie haberman was talking about that early this morning. cnn had that in some ways as well. does that advice make sense to you? i suppose it's kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. but for a sitting president to be -- to try and go after an adult film actress, what would you advise him? >> particularly this president, i mean, look, i'm not an attorney, so i can't speak to that aspect of it, but it seems to me intuitively, don't drag the story out and make it even more the centerpiece of everybody's attention. and so don't tweet at them. we know this president, though, has a very short attention span and a very poor sense of twitter discipline. so i think that at some point if the legal heat rises, that it's going to be difficult. i think sunday night is going to be a very uncomfortable evening in the trump household. if i was him, i would be the exact opposite end of mar-a-lago
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when the interview is airing from melania. >> we have to leave it there. rick wilson, james schultz, appreciate it very much. coming up, part of karen mcdougal's story, and her lawsuit includes a tabloid maneuver called catch and kill. buying the rights to a story to keep it from coming out and embarrassing someone else. ronan farrow first reported that's what happened with karen mcdougal last month. he reported that in the new yorker. ronan joins us next. we'll hear more about what she said about her story. ne your br. express yourself. brow stylist shape and fill pencil by l'oréal. the easy-to-use triangular tip shapes and fills. the spoolie brush blends. brow power! brow stylist shape and fill from l'oréal paris. but mania, such as unusualrder can changes in your mood,able. activity or energy levels, can leave you on shaky ground. help take control by asking about your treatment options.
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garlique.® the case of former playboy model karen mcdougal put a spotlight on a tabloid practice known as catch and kill. buying someone's story just to bury it. mcdougal said that is what happened to her with ami, the parent company of "the national enquirer," led by a longtime friend and associate of donald trump. ronan farrow was the first to obtain karen mcdougal's own notes that detailed her alleged affair with donald trump. it was in a detailed piece for "the new yorker" last month. i'll speak with ronan in a moment. first, listen to what karen mcdougal told me last night. >> why do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back? >> they wanted to squash the story. >> you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump? >> i'm assuming so, yeah. it was more about the way it was presented. it was more about protecting me. it was more about, we don't want to tarnish your image. we want to keep your brand wholesome and whole.
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so i'm like, that's awesome. you know, that's great. so that's the way i perceived this contract. it was a win-win, like i said. >> have you ever heard the term at that point, catch can kill? >> no, i had not. >> do you know what catch and kill is now? >> i do now, yeah. >> ronan farrow joins me now. your piece at "the new yorker" really opened a lot of people's eyes to this whole idea of catch and kill and to karen mcdougal's story. she wouldn't go into detail with you at that time about her alleged relationship with trump or the deal she signed with ami. i wonder what you heard from her yesterday, if anything stuck out to you. >> so look, in both of these piece of coverage of her story, we got these sort of gory details, if you will, of this affair. i think what you were smart in doing and what was the focus of my story about karen mcdougal was in turning the de attention to the systems that this
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reveals. that was a key concern for karen mcdougal herself. she said on the record in that story that i wrote, i want to warn other women about this practice. and about a set of contracts that she ultimately found onerous and exploitative. now she's talked to you. she has filed a complaint legally where she wants to sue ami, and she's going on the offensive on the basis of that argument. if you look at that complaint, anderson, there is a very clear articulation of a public policy argument, saying this is something that suppressed the marketplace of free ideas, that distorted an election, possibly. >> but, you know, karen mcdougal says in the deal with ami, she was aware they were not going to run her story. and in fact, she says she was glad that they were going to bury it. obviously, she was also glad to get money for that and what she said she was promised about kind of a new potential career as a writer. you know, as sort of an expert on aging and health. i guess that's the other side of this. that some people who want to keep a damaging story from coming out or a story that may affect their family, but still want money, the catch and kill can work for them in that way.
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>> so look, there are lawyers, if you talk to gloria allred or a number of the prominent people who make their living off of deals of various kinds in this space, who say, look, confidentiality and making sure stories don't come out can be to the benefit of individuals. what karen mcdougal reveals is this can have a heavy burden. she readily admits she was an adult, shed the agreement. she knew at the time it was likely ami was not going to run this story, but she also had to deal with changing circumstances since then. this is now the president of the united states. that is a much heavier burden to not talk about your president. >> it's also interesting, and you first reported this in the new yorker, she talked about it last night, sort of the way the system that it seems allegedly donald trump had in place with keith schiller to handle women who he may have been involved with, whether it's in karen mcdougal's case, she would pay for her own flights, book her
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own hotel rooms and be reimbursed, she said, by president trump. oftentimes, keith schiller would be a go-between, picking people up or phone calls would be made to keith schiller in order to communicate with donald trump. >> i think karen's conversations with both of us reveal a very well oiled machine. and that's the secret meetings. it's the body guard. it's the in the moment concealment that you just described. and it's also this complicated legal system. in which a lot of actors, including ami, have dirt on the president. according to these allegations. and a pretty wide circle of ami sources that we talked to said this was a repeat practice. and that they had concerns, having seen this play out with other prominent people that they caught and killed for, that this gave ami leverage over the president. that was a term that was used a lot. >> which is particularly -- i mean, if that is in fact the case, and ami has files of negative information about the
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man who is now the president of the united states, that is a comp -- potentially compromising situation. >> it's pretty unusual for a sitting president of the united states, and it gives a lot of influence and power to the people the public did not elect. i point out, look, the heart of the dispute that karen mcdougal is now involved in with ami is whether she can or can not speak. her representatives say she can't speak because behind closed doors, ami is saying we'll drag you into arbitration. there will be legal retaliation. we'll see what plays out after the interview she gave with you. they weren't thrilled after the interview she gave to me. that according to accounts. however, ami says she can speak. the one thing i want to point out, what is not in dispute is at the time of the election, she could not speak. their whole argument is premised on an amendment that was made after the election. so to the extent that this was indeed an attempt to shield the president, in that crucial window, it appears to have succeeded. >> ronan farrow, appreciate the reporting. it's in "the new yorker." people can look at ronan's original reporting.
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as we thank ronan, we got an answer to a question that rick wilson asked before the break. where will the president and first lady be when the stormy daniels interview airs sunday night on "60 minutes." the president will be back in washington. melania trump still will be in florida on a prescheduled week spring break with their son. up next, there's breaking news, the cambridge analytica whistle blower speaking to cnn saying that new national security advisor john berman also has ties to the firm and one of the first clients to use improper facebook data on millions of americans. >> also, this sunday night, don't miss the series american dynasty, the kennedys. you'll see how president jn john f. kennedy dealt with the russians. here's a preview. >> you know their name. you don't know their whole story. >> an historic state dinner brings mr. and mrs. kennedy and mr. and mrs. khrushchev together. >> away from the banquets and the cameras, jack has a serious mission in vienna.
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>> reporter: cambridge analytica's work for the john berman super pac was the very beginning of using improperly obtained facebook data from tens of millions of americans, according to whistle blower chris wylie. >> they were one of the first clients of cambridge analytica to buy into the psychographic messaging that was developed using the 50 million facebook profiles that were misappropriated. >> a spokesman for john bolton's super pac denies knowing of any alleged impropriety by cambridge analytica, and the contract stipulates that cambridge analytica would follow the law and obtain all necessary permits. that contract, obtained by cnn, shows the bolton super pac in 2014 initially paid cambridge analytica more than $450,000 for behavioral microtargeting with psychographic messages. in other words, using data in an entirely new way. >> you're not trying to change people's votes or win people's votes at that time?
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you're trying to change their minds? >> you change their perspective. we want to change their perspective and change how they see things. this is a really key element of what cambridge analytica does. >> reporter: for example, cambridge analytica used facebook data to identify groups in arkansas like this so-called cluster, mostly male, 40 to 60 years old, that would be most influenced by imagery that depicts politicians getting jobs done. with subjects like economy and national security. according to wiley, that information from facebook was then used to create specific ads targeting those people whose personality traits they had just uncovered. like this 2014 ad, bolton's super pac created to support arkansas republican tom cotton in his race for senate. >> he'll project u.s. strength at home and abroad. >> one neighbor might get a different message from the second neighbor? >> exactly. it's not even neighbors. they might be people in the same house get a different message. the messaging would be crafted
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to pick up underlying mental july a vulnerabilities. >> reporter: cambridge analytica was the brainchild of steve bannon and funded by republican conservative billionaires rebecca and robert mercer. since 2014, robert mercer has donated $5 million to john bolton's super pac, the super pac in turn has spent $1.2 million on contracts with cambridge analytica. >> and drew joins us from london. cambridge analytica is not just under fire in the united states, also in london where you are. >> reporter: yeah, anderson. and tonight, the uk's information commissioner's office had a search warrant executed on cambridge analytica's headquarters. part of an investigation into whether the company misled the government here and to see if facebook data may have been illegally acquired and used. that's going on right now. >> the company already suspended their ceo. what's the reaction been to that? >> reporter: late this afternoon, cambridge analytica sent a statement saying it is not this the politically
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motivated unethical company. excuse me, anderson, that some have tried to portray. as for christopher wylie, the source of allegations against the company is not a whistleblower or a founder of the company. christopher wylie, the company says, was just a part-time contractor who left in july 2014. has no direct knowledge of our work or practices since that date. i can tell you, lawmakers here in london and the united states are demanding cambridge analytica explain exactly what its practices are and where all that personal data came from. >> drew, more on that ahead, no doubt. thanks very much. >> coming up tomorrow, the march for our lives in washington. organized by the students from stoneman douglas high school and others. we'll introduce you to another young survivor who plans to go to the march from newton, a survivor of the sandy hook elementary shooting 5 1/2 years ago. followed by a special hour, the parkland diaries. l those feelin.
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breaking news to tell you about tonight in the gun control battle. the justice department is moving to effectively ban all bump stocks. in a press release, attorney general jeff sessions announced the proposal, which would change atf regulations to make bump stocks fall within the definition of a machine gun under federal law. the president also announced it on twitter on the eve of marches organized by the survivors of the stoneman douglas high school shooting and others. coming up at the top of the hour, we have a special report we put together with the help and grace of six of those survivors. in video diaries they've
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documented their grief, pain and determination to turn that pain into the change they want to see. you can see their stories coming up in our special report "the parkland diaries." tomorrow, they along with countless others, will take part in what is being billed as the march for our lives in washington and other marches around the country. among them will be another survivor, a girl who has been a shooting survivor for about half of her young life. 5 1/2 years ago she was a student at sandy hook elementary school. >> we can't keep living like this. >> reporter: for 12-year-old lauren milgram, it's that simple. no more guns, certainly not in school. tomorrow in washington, d.c., she'll make her voice heard. for lauren, this is personal. 5 1/2 years ago she was in her first grade classroom when a gunman opened fire in her school. sandy hook elementary in newtown, connecticut. by the time it was over, the shooter had fired at least 150 shots, taking the lives of 20
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children, first graders and kindergartners as well as six adults. lauren's quick-thinking teacher hid all 15 of her students in a tiny bathroom off the classroom, saving all of their lives and her own. today lauren and that teacher are still friends. >> do you feel like you're closer to her, you know, because of everything? >> yeah. >> you really have a nice friendship? >> i mean an experience like this, it really does bring people together. >> reporter: the march for our lives will be bringing people together too. it was organized by the students of marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. lauren will stand with them to say enough. >> i'm marching because i don't want this to happen to any other child, and it really shouldn't have happened. and that we really do need more safety. >> do you feel like you can make a difference even at age 12? >> yeah. i mean it's amazing what the parkland students are doing. like they're already so ahead in this generation, and it's -- it's just at that age, it's
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libel incredible. they're making such a big difference. >> reporter: she doesn't talk much about the shooting at her school, but she hasn't forgot it, nor has she forgotten the many friends she lost that day. one who was killed, daniel barden, had given her this heart necklace. she wears it some days and thinks of him. all these years later, her father still recalls gathering with other families at the firehouse, imagining the worst. >> when i look back, that was the -- the families of the 20, or the 26 really, you know. those adults were lost that day too. >> reporter: lauren's parents and her brother, dalton, will be marching alongside her. dalton was in the fourth grade and survived the sandy hook shooting too. when you saw what happened in parkland, what did you think? >> i mean there have been so many. i mean it's almost desensitizing to just see like one every so often. >> so it's time to change?
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>> 100% yes. >> we can make a difference. we can speak out. this makes us feel like we're doing something when we do go out and we march and we do something together as a family. >> our kids, sadly, you know, were not old enough to speak out, and we as parents -- i won't say we failed them, but we were too polite. these parkland kids, they will not be silenced. they will not be muzzled. >> reporter: nor will his own daughter who still has hope that gun laws will change in her lifetime. do you think guns are just too easy to get in this country? >> yes, definitely. >> would you want your teachers to be armed? >> of course not. like that's just a horrible idea. i mean any child to be able to pick up a gun and they could shoot it thinking it might be some sort of toy. >> reporter: what's really great, anderson, is to see how well lauren is doing. she's giggles. she's a typical 12-year-old. she teases her brother. she loves to bake at home with her mom. she makes a strawberry cobbler and a key lime pie. she plays with her dog, loves to shop.
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