that grow with your business. at&t, not so much. we give you 75 mbps for $59.95. that's more speed than at&t's comparable bundle, for less. call today. good saturday morning to you. i'm victor blackwell. >> i'm christi paul live in washington where let's say it's been a week of turmoil and chaos. there's been controversy even in just the last 12 hours. seems like we're just getting started here. last night the white house announced a policy banning most transgender people from serving in the military, a move that's already drawing criticism from democrats and promises from advocate groups to fight that ban in court. >> hours from now the white house and congress will face a different type of criticism.

students from stoneman douglas high school in florida will lead the nation and world in a series of rallies calling for stricter gun control after 17 people were killed at their school last month. >> we're going to make a statement that teenagers can't change the world, and that these things really can't happen without somebody doing something. >> we're right at your doorstep now. we're going to stay here, and we're going to fight. >> i think washington's ready for us, and we're ready to give them hell. we've got quite the panel, as you see, here to break this down this morning. we want to start with cnn's abby phillip and the late-night ban on transgender troops. good morning to you. what are you learning this morning? >> good morning. late last night in an 11th hour decision, the white house announced that they would ban transgender service members from serving in most cases in the military. now this decision was a long time in coming after in july of last year, president trump announced that no transgender individuals would be able to serve in the military. he made that decision by tweet

and gave the pentagon some time to come up with the final policy when it came to the troops. in a statement last night, here's what the white house said about the policy. they said, "the transgender persons with a history of diagnosis or of gender dysphoria," individuals who the policy state may require substantial medical treatment including medications and surgery, are discall fewed from military service -- disqualified from military service under certain circumstances. jim mattis, defense secretary, said that he believes allowing them to serve would amount to an exemption of rules for sex-based gender requirements, and that it would also cost the military a significant amount of money. that contradicts a 2016 rand corporation study that found the impact on the cost for the military would be minimal. this ban is likely to face significant challenges in the courts. already california's attorney general has said that they plan to challenge it. the white house and the trump administration bracing for

probably months of legal challenges to this policy put down today after months of waiting after a presidential tweet last july. >> all right. always appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. let's bring in the panel. rachel bates, cnn analyst and reporter for politico, tom willis, green beret honor graduate, and ace scott bolden, chair of the association pac and former chair of the washington, d.c., democratic party. welcome, everyone. let me start with you, tom. do you believe former u.s. army special forces, that there could be this style of ban on transgender men and women serving in the military? >> i think that the first priority for the military is to fight and win our nation's wars. so that's where we start. and when we come come into the military, we are through an in processing station. they give a rigorous medical examination. if you have any sort of medical

issue that might affect your ability to serve and defend our nation, you're disqualified. it sounds like the president has identified this as a potential hindrance to serving in a role to defend our nation. a hindrance to deployability. i think he has that prerogative as commander in chief. >> that was part of the justification we heard from the secretary of defense. what do you think? >> as somebody from, a former military man, have you ever seen a detriment in any way to a transgender serving? >> i've never served with a transgender troop in the u.s. special forces, so i don't have a personal experience with it. again, i would defer to the prerogative of the president to make the decision as commander in chief. >> scott? >> well, they certainly have to -- the white house certainly has to link it to a health and safety issue. we've got a federal court decision that has struck down this ban and said that it's discriminatory in nature. look for there to be followup decisions. what the state has to do is having a compelling state

interest, narrowly tailor it to serve that interest. here they're linking it to health and safety. so it's going to be challenged because the supreme court says, the federal court says unless you can show there's some risk there, then you can't discriminate against these group of fighters. by the way, there's a history already of transgendered individuals serving in the military. look at what their performance has been, and has there been risk in regard to their safety in the country or the military? i think not. >> thousands serving now. >> let's look at something that president trump tweeted as candidate back in june of 2016. he said, "thank you to the lgbt community, i will fight for you, while hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs." rachel, going about to that mindset, looking at today's, how did we get from there to here? >> the president sees this as him following through on a campaign promise. my first reaction when i saw this was that president trump finally got to defense secretary mattis on this issue. back when he first tweeted about

this, that he was going to ban transgender troops last july, they had to scale this back in the defense department because mattis was upset that the president did this without telling the defense department or defense community, he didn't tell congress about this. they ended up staying it for a while, saying we're going to research this and come back at this at a later point. it's interesting to see that mattis, it appears, has been able to get rid of a blanket ban and add exceptions. for instance, they talk about select cases, and only in substantial medical treatment costs. they talk about people who are stable for 36 months and their biological sex able to serve and those serving under the obama administration allowed to stay. mattis, who was uncomforta ble, to begin with, can do something to protect the troops that are serving. >> the expectation, this will be in litigation -- >> to note somehow that

transgender people are unstable, do we want that -- >> compared to anybody -- >> i don't think that's a standard that most of us can meet. it's so offensive and discriminatory. you don't see that language in all the federal court cases that are coming, that somehow that it suggests that transgendered people are unstable. it's not true. they're born that way. they don't choose to be that way. >> reckless and unconstitutional is how an attorney to the aclu refers to the new policy. >> when you're talking about national defense, national security comes first. it trumps everything. without national security, we don't have any other rights, constitutional. again, i think you need to focus on deploy ability, if a person can't deploy because they need some sort of medical procedure, if they can deploy only with a constant administration of some sort of medication, in my mind that makes them non-deployable. we've been spoiled as a nation having nice military bases where

we have doctors and medical facilities. that may not always be the case when we're talking about national security. if you have someone that can't deploy without a regular administration of medical attention or prescription medicine, in my opinion, that disqualifies them from service. we go through dental, medical exams, everything before we deploy. it's important to consider that. >> they're not always talking about national security here. i know when lawmakers on capitol hill, republicans in particular, talk about this issue, they view it as a taxpayer issue. they talk about significant cost to the military for sex-change operations and gender therapies, et cetera. but there has been studies that show that this actually hasn't been a significant cost. it definitely plays well with the base, but i think this is going tends to in the courts. a lot of people think this will go to the supreme court at some point. and then the courts will have to decide. >> you'll see them compare the medical information to what if i've got diabetes or what if i'm

on anti-depressants, does that make me deployable or unsafe? i think not as long as i'm taking my conversation. >> we'll continue this talk throughout the morning. thank you all. right now, thousands of students and parents and even school shooting survivors are on their way to washington. most likely many already here. and they're protesting against gun violence. paolo sandoval is on the road with them. >> reporter: joining us on the change, the name given to one of four buses now that are d.c. bound, it is early morning now. we're somewhere along the pennsylvania turnpike here as we head to the nation's capital. these are young men and women who are not only passionate about preventing gun violence, some have even experienced it firsthand. you'll hear the personal stories coming up.

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a few hours from now, people across the country, around the world, are joining the survivors from the stoneman douglas high school massacre to fight gun violence. the red spots, that is where people are gathering. the markers are where the protests will be happening, and thousands are taking their message. we should point out, you see the big icon, concentration of red markers, by the white house. >> and there are markers on countries around the world if you look at the marger map. the march -- the larger map. the march for our lives is expected to be the largest rally since a gunman killed 17 people in their classrooms in parkland, florida. right now students and parents are making their way to the capital for the protest. paolo sandoval is traveling on the bus from pittsburgh to washington. families say that this is life or death, and they're passionate, they're bringing the passion here to washington. >> reporter: that's right.

that's why we're on the move. we'll keep our voices down since some activists are getting shut shuteye. they left at 3:00 a.m. to take part in this massive event. we're somewhere along the pennsylvania turnpike as we head to washington, d.c. these are young men and women, about 250, that have piled on to four separate charter buses and are headed to washington, d.c. these are people that are passionate about preventing gun crimes, but they've firsthandex it firsthand. kristin, share with me your story -- christian, share with me your story about gun violence. >> when i was in the second grade, i was walking to school. my brother and i saw a man get shot and collapse in front of us. the after effects, like i couldn't listen to fireworks or loud sirens for a loud time. this is really important to me because it affected me personally. i've seen moms lose their

children and been around like many funerals around churches and watched -- >> we've got a live camera on a bus there. so occasionally there will happen. we'll get back to paolo sandoval when we can. i think you understood what was happening there. one of the many buses headed here to washington and passionate students and families and supporters here for this march for our lives. >> and we have another of those passionate supporters here. jay faulk, senior at tc williams, she started a movement to for solidarity and are one of the founders of students demand action. what was it about what happened that prompted you to get as involved as you've become? what struck you? >> i think it -- it's for high school students specifically, it's terrifying. it hits incredibly close to home

because we see these students in florida and see our classmates, we see our friends, we see sources. and it -- we are acutely terrified. we have to stand up. >> i understand that you wanted to start the dmv chapter of students demand action. you started with a few cla classmates, then what happened? >> we had ten people in my living room. a week later we had 30 and couldn't fit in my living room. a week later we had 150 and did conference calls because bwe couldn't meet together. it varies from what are you doing, what have you organized, what is the next initiative to how are we going to get our classmates registered to vote, to what are we doing for prom? we are just kids. we are kids in schools and making new friends through our activism. and we've decided to organize around this issue. >> you've talked about voter

registration as one of the important elements of this movement. every cycle people ask when are young people going to move the needle for a candidate, for an election. and every cycle -- this is a midterm, so less than expected for a presidential election. why will this be different? >> well, look, young people are 30% of the american electorate. we're only getting bigger. we're now the biggest voting generation block that's alive today. we have the power to change electoral outcomes. the question is whether or not we are going to turn out. from what i've seen, this is the turning point for young people's turnout. every generation needs a reason to show up at the polls. for our generation, we're called the mass shooting generation. parkland is going to be that reason. >> so you basically are saying, listen, if you're not going to hear our voice, you're going to hear our vote. >> exactly. >> how are you encouraging people to register to vote and to get there once and for all?

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rachel, tom, scott bolden. tom, the simple question, should these women be allowed to tell their stories freely, without any legal consequences? >> i think women should always be allowed to tell their story. that's a constitution right. i think that we need to always operate with wisdom is to check with elected officials because it is possible that someone could be falsely accused. the accuser could reap free publicity for that. we need to protect legal rights. i have a daughter, a wife. we all have people that we love that could be in this position. they deserve to be protected. at the same time, we need to protect our elected officials, too, from frivolous or false claims i'm not saying that this is in this instance, i'm just saying we need to use wisdom so that our government officials can do their job and run our country effectively without getting bogged down in legal cases all the time. >> at the end of the day, this isn't about affairs.

and there's no sense that his base would even care about any affairs. this is about intimidation, allegedly, about the possible violation of campaign law-- campaign laws. with that said, have you seen anything in regard? >> not to karen mcdougal. certainly in regard to storm daniels. in regard to mcdougal, to look at whatever she was paid through an actor or some other entity on both cases, is that a campaign contribution? we know that the law it says could be. we know the cases have been litigated, one against a former presidential candidate, that went to trial. and he was found not guilty. it is same time, does it mean it cannot be prosecuted again? my thought is that it won't be. but mcdougal is more dangerous for donald trump than stormy daniels. you notice how the white house has been silent on this. there's no upside. it was a consensual relationship, she's credible.

you put her on the air, she's got nothing to lose. she would give back half of her money to tell her story. does she want to make money? yes. just because you want to make money doesn't mean you're not credible and it didn't happen. i think the public cares about it, and i think these affairs took place. the real question is how things are going at home for donald trump with all of this in the media. >> it is saturday morning. and the president is at his beach resort on palm beach. history would suggest that he's going to tweet this morning about something we're discussing. history suggests it will not be about one of these women or this topic. i find it interesting that he's staying silent about this of all things. >> yeah. i'll be curious to watch and see if after the "60 minutes" interview with stormy daniels he continues that silence, or does he feel compelled to say something about her. look, the president doesn't want to talk about this for a number of reasons. it's an embarrassment, and he's

got marriage issues, melania. the details coming out have previously excruciating for her. things about trump telling these women he loved them -- >> in her home -- >> in her apartment, her home. having affairs with trump, alleged affairs, with the president. and then also there's the campaign issue that you brought up. is it ever going to be investigated? congress has no interest in taking this up and doing oversight with it. and the fcc, they rare althoualthough -- rarely do anything. they won't look at it in this regard. one more thing is the election piece of this. republicans are in a tough re-election this fall. they're trying to keep the house and re-election in senate. it's an embarrassment to the party. >> i want to listen to sound last night from stormy daniels'

attorney, what he said about the dvd picture they tweeted yesterday. >> that dvd contains evidence substantiating the relationship. the tweet is a warning shot. i want to be clear about this, a warning shot. and it's a warning shot to michael cohen and anyone else associated with president trump that they ought to be very careful after sunday relating to what they say about my client and what spin or lies they attempt to terp the american people. >> -- to tell to the american people. >> is there any consequence to that, as it sounded, threat to michael cohen, to anybody associated with the president, tom? >> i think that may be why the president's not tweeting because there's a potential litigation here. common sense would say don't make comments now that may be held against you later in a court of law. i think for the american people,

the fact that our president was not an angel was well litigated in the court of public opinion during the election. i think fatigue in a lot of corners of our society about the president's alleged affairs and unseemly behavior. >> this is about alleged affairs and illegal campaign contributions. >> nobody is above the rule of law in this country, including the president. if there's a violation of law, it should be prosecuted. >> to be fair, these women, especially stormy daniels, they did have a nondisclosure agreement. they signed these documents. >> they took money. >> they took money, there was an agreement. yes, women should always be able to tell their stories. but there was a legal agreement that clearly stormy daniels and her attorney are having second thoughts about. there's that issue, as well.

it's particularly interesting. of course, they're arguing that the president didn't sign the document so it's null and void. that's one area. >> and the white house isn't speaking about this, but they are paying attention to it. take into context jeff zeleny's reporting that the white house considered the news cycle about mcdougal and stormy daniels when deciding when to announce the new national security adviser. change of subject here. >> this is his practice, and we've seen it over last year or so. but trump drives these narratives with these women. not the relationships whether he had them or not, but their reaction, and they're lawyering up. when he denies he had a relationship with stormy daniels and she can't talk about it and that she has evidence of being intimidated, of course she's going to hire a lawyer. that warning shot is a warning shot because his credibility is at stake. it will be interesting to see whether the evangelicals who

stood by trump, as hypocritical as that would seem to be, that the more credible these allegations would be if there's evidence that he lies and denies it again, it will be interesting to see, one, where they go on this, whether they continue to support him, but two, remember, in 2018, the democrats are coming. this is relevant, probative, and material. what happens now with these women could be investigated if the dems take over the house and senate. >> quickly, does it matter what melania does? if she reacts, if she doesn't react? >> yeah. i don't think she's going to react to this. there's no upshot for her to come out and say either i'm sticking with my husband or i'm throwing him under the bus and leaving. i think that she is watching what happens and is clearly not happy about it. they clearly had a rocky relationship before when she'd swat his hands away on video. i don't see the upshot of her reacting.

>> these cases is are going forward. she could be a potential witness because you've got depositions and credibility issues. if the president goes under oath, i could see indirectly her as a witness going forward based on time, places, and what was going on in the relationship. she could be involved. >> tom willis, rachel bate, scott bolden, thank you. still to come, a california community demanding answers this morning following the police-involved shooting death of steven clark. protesters swarmed the streets of downtown sacramento in protest. it's time for the 'sleep number spring clearance event'

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no racists! no justice! [ chants ] >> say his name! >> stephon. >> this community in sacramento is outraged after the death of

stephon clark. 22 years old, unarmed black man who was shot and killed by police in his grandmother's back yard. that was last weekend. hundreds of people you see in downtown sacramento yesterday in this protest. >> police released video this week. according to officials, the two officers involved -- it's hard to watch, i know -- they said they thought clark was pointing a gun. the only thing recovered was a cell phone. our assistant fbi contributor and "washington post" national reporter wes lowery. gentlemen, thank you for being with us. it is still hard to watch that video. i can't imagine what it's like for their family. wes, where are you learning about where this could go? why did they think he had a gun? >> certainly. this was a case where the officers had been called in in response to a 911 call regarding

break-ins and folks making a lot of 911 calls. as officers responded, they encountered stephon clark who at that point was back at his grandmother's house, she lived in the neighborhood, ran into him on the side of the home. what we can see from the helicopter video is that he ran around to the back of the house where the door was as the officers gave chase and encountered him open fire as we see in six seconds. fired 20 shots, and he was killed. speaking with members of the family and the legal team, they think these videos raise serious questions. obviously when someone who is holding just a cell phone is shot 20 times or shot at 20 times, we don't know yet how many times he was hit, it raises questions about that level of force being used. there are questions also from the videos about what happened in the aftermath. there's a long period of time before he's rendered aid. and beyond that, this question of at the end of the video these officers are seen talking to each other about muting their microphones. >> yeah. >> let me ask you about that.

there's a portion where an officer is heard saying "mute," and the audio goes silent. is that protocol? in a scenario like this, would you expect officers if they're following the book to mute the audio on their body cameras? >> no, i wouldn't expect that. you know, these are situations that kind of remind me of the laquan mcdonald in chicago where the first shot we don't know. that could be in the dark person. we don't know the exact movements. in the dark, something metallic like a cell phone could look like a weapon. the officers could have fear that it is a weapon. 20 shots later, that's where the question comes in. in chicago it was 14 more shots after the subject was down on the ground and lying still. so that's where you get -- where you get the appearance of definitely excessive force, and that's where the questions come up. if the last shots are unwarranted, let's say, it puts into question every shot and all

of the action the police officers take. we need further investigation in this, but certainly what we've seen, it does look very bad. >> let's listen here. cnn spoke with stephon clark's brother. let's listen to what he said. >> i'm pissed. i'm -- i'm livid. i am -- >> reporter: you said you wanted his name to be remembered the same way that people remember -- >> trayvon martin, tamir race, eric gardner brown. it's not the first and won't be the last. i think that's what hurts the most. >> what does the community, the law enforcement community, say to this family and people like him who say we're afraid still? >> right now what the community has to hear from the police and the authorities is that this will be thoroughly investigated. if it's found that the officers were wrong, that discipline will be taken, up to and including

prosecution if it's warranted. they need to hear that, they need to hear that right away. that this -- we're going to do what's necessary in the interest of justice in this case. if the police stay silent for any long period of time, it gives the appearance of wrongdoing. it backs up the narrative from the community if they think this was wrong and the police don't answer to at least say we're going to investigate this, you know, the officers are -- are suspended pending the investigation. a thorough investigation is conducted -- not by that police department but by somebody else coming in. and if warranted, obviously all the way up to and including a civil rights investigation by the fbi. >> and it is important to point out, and you know this because of your work at the "post," that this does not happen in a vacuum. that this comes with the context of the other shootings that still there are questions about, and this is a community that shut down in large part an nba game a couple of days ago.

yesterday they continued with the protests. where does this go next and the relationship between this police department and this community? >> of course what's really interesting in sacramento is this is a case where you have a chief, the city's first black police chief, who came in a few years ago and instituted a series of new policies and reforms in part in response to some previously controversial shootings. one specifically, a mentally ill black man who had a knife. since then they instituted that every officer have body cameras. we've seen that policy. and the it's been a week since the shooting, and with the video was a policy that they would release every video of critical incidents like this. they're saying they will formally release the names of the officers in ten days. another policy that is a post-ferguson idea that we will be transparent about these. what's also been interesting, we have two days into protest. and there are -- times have gotten tense. obviously screaming and yelling, the shutting down of the basketball game. i know there was a car window

smashed last night. and the posture of the officers very much has been let's not make arrests, let's not escalate this. so what's going to be interesting to see in sacramento is the protests potentially continue to ramp up as people continue to be upset, and as the investigation works through -- we know investigations take time. it's going to be interesting to see how the police continual to handle this -- police continue to handle this in a department where the police have been vocally committed to learning the lessons that some cities have mishandled previously. >> can this community understand and accept what happened based solely even on the element of this where they muted their microphones? that alone is a very hard thing on this explain to a community that is trying to understand transparency and what happened. i mean, can -- can the fact that they muted their microphones be countered by anything the police do? >> you know, i don't know. we don't know what their policy is regarding that. it could be that the police

department once the incident, the shooting itself, is over, and now you're talking about the time period of rendering aid and, you know, calling for paramedics to come and all of that, it could be that maybe they have that policy for privacy issues. that to shut the mics off so that other information isn't going into those recordings, that's not exactly relevant to the immediate response where the shots were fired. i don't know. it certainly looks bad. and again, the police department needs to get out in front of this and explain what they're doing other whether that is policy or not, whether they consider that wrongdoing or not, and that it will be investigated. i think that's where to me in many of these incidents you don't have the department responding publicly to at least what they can say. they're not going to know every little detail about it, but say they're committed to a diligent, fair investigation of the incident, including that issue about the microphone, the number

of shots -- >> to acknowledge that they know they have work to do. >> and they still have a lot of questions to answer. as wesley pointed out, they have taken steps here toward transparencien. still a -- transparency. still a lot of questions -- why aid wasn't rendered immediately. the count on the video, five minutes or more passed between the shots and chest compressions. and then, of course, the question about the audio. all right. wesley, tom, thank you both. >> we appreciate you being here. coming up in the 8:00 a.m. hour, stephon clark's family will talk about how they're moving forward. we'll talk to clark's brother here on cnn. all right. let's move to the sports arena. >> yes. >> shall we? it is madness. >> it is march. >> march madness. >> coy wire? >> reporter: good morning, someone at the "new day" anchor desk is leading the cnn bracket challenge. we'll find out who and show one of most incredible blocks of the

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