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saturday. the nationwide movement never again, that's what they were saying, demanding action on gun violence and an end to the deadly gun shootings that have terrorized this nation's schools. the scope of the protest was stunning. organizers say there were more than 800 marches in 50 states. hundreds of thousands of all ages taking to the streets, and we all saw that in cities across this country. sparked by the movement that sprang from the horror of another school shooting. 17 people gunned down at margery stoneman douglas in parkland, florida. and their fellow stupidities followed in huge numbers and then the march. those students speaking out, angry, impassioned and determined foofig determined to fight for the change they want. >> for those politicians that continue to support the nra, i say get your resumes ready. >> tinse the time i came out
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here it has been 6 minutes, 20 seconds. the shooter has ceased shooting and will soon abandon his rifle, blend in with the students as they escape and walk free for an hour before their arrest. fight for your lives before it's sm someone else's job. >> today emphasis demonstrations, massive turn outs in city after city, supporters overseas to join an a distinctly american problem, frankly. president trump, meanwhile, spent the day in mar-a-lago. trump uncharacterestly silent on twitter. keeping our children safe is top priority, parentheses, of the president. nearly 12 weeks into 2018 there have already been 17 shootings in american schools. it has been 19 years -- 19 years, can you imagine this, since two shooters killed 13
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people at columbine high school. that shooting is no longer in the top ten for worst school massacres in the united states of america. that's how things have gone. ryan nobles is out front tonight in washington, d.c., which was the main event for those protests today. and ryan, it was an unprecedented turn out where you are. >> reporter: yeah, no doubt about that, erin. i mean organizers were hoping they would see big numbers at these marches, specifically here in washington, d.c. but all across america. but the turnout today exceeded their wildest expectations. on a day filled with loud cries, powerful songs, and energizing speeches. >> we are not here for bread crumb, we are here for real change. >> reporter: it may have been the silence that best captured
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the moment. ema gonzalez, a young woman who has become one of the most recognized faces of the movement borne out of the massacre that took place in the halls of her school stood stonefaced silent for six minutes and 20 seconds. >> in a little over six minutes 17 of our friends were taken from us. >> reporter: gonzalez and the high school students took their pain in action that culminated today in marches. from boston to chicago -- >> the violence that they experienced every day. >> reporter: -- denver to los angeles. and back to parkland, florida, where the shooting took place. while they may have only had each other when those shots rang
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out today they had the support of hundreds of thousands, including celebrities. >> one of my best friends was killed in gun violence right around here. so it's important to me. >> reporter: pop stars. and even the granddaughter of a civil rights icon. >> i have a dream that enough is enough. and that this should be a gun-free world, period. >> reporter: their hope is to do much more than march. they want action, specifically stricter gun laws, the something the federal government has been reluctant to do. >> beware the voters are coming. >> reporter: and the debate over guns remains demissive. but these students are hoping that common ground will be reached, and they are warning their leaders they won't be giving up until they get the
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change they are looking for. and many of these students said today they didn't want this rally to be the end of their work. they want to see substantive change happen. but the reality is here in washington at this capitol behind me there isn't a lot of momentum towards changing gun laws in particular. but many of these students say they are politically active and they are ready to vote. many of them said that before this tragedy took place politics was the last thing that they were thinking about. now it's become one of the most important. erin? >> a horrific event that has mobilized so many. as ryan just said it wasn't just students at today's march in washington. parents were there, too. he lost his 14-year-old daughter jamie at the shooting at the margery stoneman douglas high school. and you may know him. people around the world know him for standing up to senator marco rubio on the town hall on gun
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policy. fred, it's an emotional day for you, to march, to be there, to honor your daughter, to know the sacrifice that she gave for this mobilization and inspiration that we saw today. what did today mean for you? >> today was inspiring. before today i kept referring to friends of mine. i was calling it a tipping point. i just believed it would be -- being present today, part of the emotion of today but part of the energy of today, it was more than a tipping point. today set the stage for where we go as a country. these kids, they came out to fight for their rights. they came out to fight to be safe. they fought for my daughter's life. they were with my daughter when she died. they were with their friends when they died. they don't ever want to see anyone else go through that
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again. and to watch what they did today while we grown ups stood in the background was mesmerizing. they started a movement, and we are going to push this movement. they're using their voices while shockingly the leadership, that would be the president, that would be our speaker, paul ryan. that would be the, you know, senate leader, mitch mcconnell. they are silent. i have news for everybody, and i'm going to say it in two ways. number one, step up, stand up, use your voice, be part of a movement or be ready to get fire. we are going to go against you and you will be fired, that's number one. number two, the traditional donor base is moving against them. erin, you may have already heard that i've been spending some time with ambassador alhoffman. hez the very traditional donor who has turned against the republican party. not only against the party but
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against people who don't stand up for gun safety. how is that? and he has a whole list of people with him that are ready to only stand up for people who want to stand up for gun safety. he put a big full page out ad on "the wall street journal" today. i think everybody who considers themselves an elected official, a legislator ought to look at that ad and say this is the beginning. businesses have turned against those who won't stand up for gun safety. yep, citi bank is the latest. you're seeing the traditional donors and next you're going to see mutual fund. this tide is turning. >> and, you know, it certainly felt that way today. all of us who were on the street, i felt there were more people here and during the womens march that was very impassioned as well, but this is certainly something it doesn't seem we've seen before.
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and you have turned your incomprehensible loss into inspiration. here you are at a moment people around the world have seen. and this is the moment you were with marco rubio. you pressed him last month, and i just want to play it again for anyone who didn't happen to see it. here it is. >> your comments this week and those of our president have been pathetically weak. for guns, the factor, and the absolute hunting of our kids and here's the weapon of choice. can you say that? >> number one, fred, i absolutely believe that in this country if you are 18 years of age you should not be able to buy a rifle, and i will support a law that takes that right away. >> fantastic. >> now, i think what you're asking about is the assault weapons ban. >> yes, sir. >> so let me honest with you about that one. if i believed that law would have prevented this from happening, i would support it. but i want to explain to you why it would not. >> you know, since that moment
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senator rubio has announced his own gun safety plan, and i know, fred, you're intimately familiar with it. for our viewers he said he wanted to increase school security, allow states to adopt those red flag gun laws that would allow people to file restraining orders for people more easily they can now. do you think he's acted in part because of your interaction or not enough? >> so do i think he's acted in part because of what happened in parkland? listen, i commend him. he announced something. is it enough? no. and let's be clear on what is happening here. what he announced is a way to limit the incidents, these events from happening again. and i'm okay with that. the problem is these events do happen. and every time they happen there's always an announcement of things that we're going to do to try and prevent them again to try and close the holes that
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we've discovered in this incident and then the next incident. the common theme is always the guns. and when i challenged him on that night was his inability to deal with the reality of guns as the weapon of choice when people want to create mass casualty. so he dealt with the incidents. he didn't deal with the mass casualty part of this, which is the same thing that happened at the town hall. he refused to acknowledge the role of guns, and he still refused to acknowledge it when he put out that plan. >> fred, i want to ask you, i know now our viewers can't fully see you, but you're standing. you're not sitting down. you've been standing. and you have been standing all day, every single second of this day. >> yes. >> tell our viewers why. >> because -- and i think it really ties into what we just spoke about with senator rubio and why what he proposed was a failure. after every one of these incidents we always have a
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conversation. we always talk about stuff we're going to do. it's always very comfortable for people and then it always goes away. i don't want to talk about my daughter and make people comfortable. i don't want this to be comfortable for people, and i certainly don't want it to go away. i want to be part of this movement towards gun safety. this orange ribbon that i wear here that started at my daughter's dance studio, i want this to be a symbol of a gun safety movement. every american i think should be behind what we are. we're not behind anything against the second amendment. we are behind steps that would consider common sense so that the safety of american said when they walk out onto public streets, into public buildings or into buildings that should be secure like a school, where they don't have to fear be shot. >> well, fred, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> and thank you for the incredible thing you did today in honor of your incredible
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daughter. >> thank you for having me. have a great night. and next hundreds of thousands of people made a statement today. so will the government get comfortable or will there be change and new laws? plus a colorado lawmaker who survived the columbine shooting, he was there that day, a student. now he believes the solution is to put more gun in schools. and trump's staff shakeup. not quite... just the result of dell emc working with callaway to gather data - and design best-in-class clubs, transforming the player into a bonafide golfer. oh! maybe it is a magic wand. magic can't make digital transformation happen... but we can. that's the power dell emc, part of dell technologies. especially if you need to get to a bathroom a lot.
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welcome back to a special edition of "out front." thousands of protesters taking to streets today to call for an end to gun violence fueled by the mass shooting in parkland, florida. 17 students and adults were killed. as we come on the air tonight president trump has yet to personally comment on today's event. april ryan is back with us, mark preston our political analyst is with us, retired fbi supervisory agent joins us, and scott jennings. let me start with you, james, the white house put out a statement saying, look, here's what we've done. background checks have been improved. they're not perfect but they're improved. bump stocks are going to be banned. they're moving towards that.
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but the gun poll is still open. we have a long way to go on a lot of things. raising the age hasn't happened. are these common sense things or not? >> absolutely. from a law enforcement professional and a conservative and a gun owner and, you know, somebody who was an army vet i appreciate what these students have done with this movement. i think it has definitely moved legislation forward. i think these things are going to be helpful. they're definitely low hanging fruit. 90% of the country believes there should be universal background checks. how that hasn't been done before, beyond me. only 11 states require legal gun owners who have weapons lost or stolen to report them. that means 39 states you can have an arsenal and if you lose an arsenal you don't report them. it makes no sense. from my position as a former law enforcement professional we want officers to be safe, we want people to be safe. that doesn't mean disarming people. we are second amendment
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supporters but we understand the second amendment was written in 1791 and here we are in 2018 and weave to adapt and a adjust. >> and this you agree with, scott. you're a gun owner and i would imagine you agree with everything he just said? >> yes, there are a number of things that can be done that don't trample on people's rights and property. fixing the background check system would have probably prevented this guy from buying a weapon in florida. i think there are also human processes we have to look at here. the fbi failed, the sheriff's department failed, i go back to the shooting at texas at the church. that guy had been discharged from the air force and should have been on the no buy registry. they forgot. that was a human failure. all these things can be fixed and dealt with and not one of them would trample on anyone's gun rights at all. >> and yet it doesn't happen. >> it doesn't happen. i think people have points to make about the gun lobby or the influence they have over
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lawmakers or potential lawmaker candidates are scared if they come out with a position that is what the nra would consider against them, then their gun lobby will spend substantial amounts of funds against that candidate and support their opponents. sometime i think this happens because folks don't want to stand up against the florida, but these young people in florida, they called up their elected officials and state legislators and demanded something should happen. and they raised the age. >> it's incredible change can be done, and it's important and i think we have congressman and you have scott here and saying their gun owners and in law enforcement and support all these things. and when you're saying in 11 states you only have to announce
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when your guns are stolen and you can probably come up with ten more things like that, it doesn't mean you don't have to start somewhere, but it is pretty terrifying how bad things got. >> and i have to say it's coming from both sides. and i'm not saying both sides don't have a point that they're trying to make, but what you're seeing is, of course we talked about scott here, and the problem is they're part of the 90% of america, and frankly 98% of americans who are lawful gun owners who believe there needs to be some regulations put into place. what's interesting, though, what's happening in congress is that the national rifle association has become so powerful and they've put so much money into the system that they've had this lock run. i would argue, though, these kids putting this on blasting power, might be breaking that lock the nra has on congress.
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>> they looked at marco rubio specifically, right, because people have accused him from being bought up, and looked at all of his funding and 3% comes from the nra. in a sense it's the per spepgz of lawmakers and the president when the comes to money. >> the cay have enough power to sway members of the republican party to go their way. the question is who is the president listening to? the masses that are out there marching today or the nra? that's the big question. and when you say 97% who are supporting background checks you have to wonder why. why? it's not the fact that the
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majority is supporting it and only 3%, it's the nra, the national rifle association. >> tim? >> you know, today was a very, very important moment. it's hard to predict inflection points in our politics, but can any of us really remember the last time that a group of high school students started a movement? dr. king enlisted young people in birmingham, and they together created an inflection point in the history of the civil rights movement. but it was dr. king and his group that pulled them together. but in this case it was the kids themselves. and they're not part of any political party. they're too young to be true activists. all they are are kids who decided not to be victims. and it's a big deal. >> i want to get you in here, though, on this. why do you think it is that so many people, not just people who don't have guns but people who
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have guns, people who know a lot about guns, people trained in using them, people who have or know how to use assault style weapons, most of those people also support gun control, reasonable gun reform. you're not going to say oh, my gosh, because you want to raise the age you're going to prevent some kind of revolution or uprising against our government. and yet that narrative seems to win. >> it is the fear of a slippery slope. and to go back to why only 1 # states require you to report a lost or stolen weapon, people fear that means you'll have a national gun registry. i argue with a lot of my conservative friends all the time because they say we need ar-15 and need weapons that can combat a tyrannical government. that's not the argument to make. what we need to do is do some of the things that just happened. i was there today on the ground with april and others in d.c.
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it was for me to stand there on the mold where women suffrages rights began, where the civil rights movement began, even as a son of a vietnam vet where the anti-war protest began and see that and be part of that and know people come there to get change was fulfilling. and some of things and of course it starts at the top unfortunately, the coarse language, calling people names and dehumanizing on both sides, that has to end. >> hopefully you have people to agree. next a columbine massacre survivor now a colorado lawmaker calling for more guns not fewer in schools. he's my guest next. and it's the club nobody wants to be in. parents marching because their children have been killed. reflecting on the state of the movement.
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parkland shooting and says the only way to prevent school shootings is to allow willing teachers to arm themselves. and there's a lot to talk about, patrick. so let me just start with today. it's been 19 years since you were there and one of your best friends was killed. how did today feel for you? >> well, it's saddening to me we're going back and talking about policies, that quite frankly a lot of these policies were in place in 1999 and didn't prevent columbine from happening. and what we should be talking about are true policies that could actually change this and prevent this from happening and that's ending the gun free zones in schools. >> i want to get to gnat tha moment, but the numbers here, more than 187,000 students have been exposed to guns since columbine. that was a "the washington post" statistic today. and we talked about how there have been 17 shootings in schools this year alone.
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how do you wrap your head around those numbers? >> it's a tough number to take. and i can look what happened in maryland and what that officer did was amazing, and that'll actually solved the problem. so we need to get back to solutions that actually solve the problem, realistic common sense solutions and that's actually letting good people defend their students. and i was a father of two girls myself. i want to see that happen. i don't want to see my kids go through what happened at columbine. >> let me give you a chance to make your case. why do you think arming teachers will help stop school shootings? >> because i absolutely 100% think that putting these gun-free zone signs up on school doors invites these kind of mass murderers to come in and do harm to our students. and if we actually end this policy and allow good people to defend our students, one, i think it's going to be a huge deterrent from this happening in the first place. and then two it's going to end it quickly and fast, and these
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folks aren't going to make national headlines of doing what they came out to accomplish, and that's committing mass murders. they're going to be prevented from doing that. and i think the biggest thing that no one wants to talk about is there's going to be a deterrent from them trying in the first place. >> look, this is something you feel passionately about. you were elected in 2014. you've introduced a bill that would do this. i want to play for you two teachers from stoneman douglas in florida who think your idea is not a good one. here they are. >> when the swat team came in the first question they second degree was anybody injured and the second question was does anybody have a gun. >> these are places where students are supposed to come
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when they're outside their home and how secure can you feel knowing your teacher may or may not be carrying a gun in the classroom. >> do they have a point? >> it's those who want to do it, want to volunteer to do it, go through proper training, go through proper license and do it if they choose to. no one is saying we would make anyone do this. the second one i think is false. i've had people reach out to me at my own daughter's school saying they'd be willing to do this. so there areg good teachers out there willing to do it. and a lot of them can going to speak out publicly because a lot have banded together with michael bloomberg and the anti-gun crowd, so they're afraid to speak out from the teachers union. >> why do you think fundamentally that having more
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guns is the solution? putting more guns in the schools, not fewer. you're not trying to take away guns from people who are mentally ill, but saying let's have more guns in the schools. i think that's what gives people pause. does that give you pause ever? >> quite frankly when i look at it i'd rather have teacher at my own kids school equipped to defend them than only leaving them the option of being a body shield. i'd rather have them be equipped to take down the shooter than leaving them defenseless. >> before we go i want to ask you about the assault weapons ban. earlier tonight congressman brian mass was on from florida. he supports an assault weapons ban. he is a member of the nra. he's a vet, he's a republican. why do you think that there should be no assault weapons ban? i know it's a complicated issue,
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but we do have studies that show that cities that adopted those assault weapons ban did see violence drop by nearly 20%. not perfect, but that's a big drop. it's a lot of lives saved. why not do it? >> i could look at my situation in columbine. it didn't stop that shooting. they're afraid of the political pressure that's being forced on them to try to push gun control instead of actually doing what's right. as a veteran i didn't fight to take people's gun rights away. and if an assault weapons ban actually had any sort of ability to stop these from happening, then we can talk about that. but in caolumbine we were in th middle of an assault weapons ban. >> i'd like to see you and have a discussion about it. thank you very much.
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washington to stand alongside of the stoneman douglas high school students, survivors of other mass shootings. all of them linked by gun violence. >> reporter: moments known by a single headline brought them together, tucson, orlando, las vegas, virginia tech. this group of about 15 people marched in washington, survivors and victim's relatives of the most horrific mass shootings in u.s. history. they came to embrace the students of parkland. >> i hope that the signs that we're carrying saying we support them, that we're survivors, that they know there is light at the end of the tunnel. >> reporter: pat may survived the shooting that almost killed congress woman gabby gifford seven years ago. six died that day, 13 wounded. may wrestled away a magazine of
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bulletsa bullets as the gunman tried to reload. the moment made her become an advocate. as he listened to parkland students on stage, she's emboldened to pass the torch to the next generation. >> the kids have done more than we have in years and years, so let's let them take the lead and give them what they need. >> reporter: each year the group rose. the tragedies haven't stopped. >> i wanted to be with you guys. >> reporter: heather is new. she survived the las vegas ambush. here she's in a crowd bonded by tragedy. >> it's kind of sad because you don't even introduce yourself by name. you just say oh, you're columbine, i'm vegas. oh, you're orlando, i'm sandy hook, it's nice to meet you. nobody understands what we understand. >> now i'm so glad they're a
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part of my life and a part of my family. >> reporter: the current student body president and vice president at virginia tech, noticed this group. her father was an engineering professor killed in the virginia tech massacre. they had no idea this moment would touch their lives so closely. did you guys expect to meet someone like her today? >> since our shooting it's been 11 years now, and we walk by the memorial on our way to class every day. it's insane nothing has been done. >> reporter: tragedy turned this group into activists. they couldn't sit at home. they mourned by pushing for gun control legislation, but they've experienced disappointment after disappointment. >> when i got the call from my sister and we had to tell their son, you can't not do anything. >> reporter: paul's son was
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killed in a mall just days before sandy hook. he's inspired by the parkland students who haven't shied away from the public stage. >> they have the benefit of youth and being invincible and not listening to people who tell them you can't do that, and they've been doing it and i love it. >> reporter: it's the children, they say who are supposed to learn and find inspiration from their elders. >> the students have kind of gotten the world to stand up and take notice. >> reporter: but here it's the wised and experienced leaning on the young. >> when is this going to stop? this i'm hoping is the beginning. this is going to be the beginning of the end. >> reporter: and erin, one of the lessons that many of the people we spent the day with hope that the parkland students take away from their own experience, and many of them had talked about how any kind of change has been slow in coming, is that they hope to take away from this this isn't going to be a quick fight. but they hope to walk away with
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edition of "out front. "the president in mar-a-lago, and leaving a a trail of unanswered questions a ab s s a staff who works in the white house. we are told that john bolton ne needs to cut down on the leaks like the one where the president ignored his aides when they told him to not congratulate an all caps vladimir putin for winning the election in russia. and the question is, does that mean that bolton is now going to clean house and fire professional staff members of the national security kocouncil? everyone back and joining me is sam, former senior adviser for the national security adviser under president obama, and so if the president told john bolton that i don't want more leaks and that is a carte blanche to get rid of the leaker if you find it, what does it mean for the nec staff? >> well, first of all, we should get rid of the leakers and there is a reason that the conversations are private so that the national security ko
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council can function without being pushed into the corner, so the question is bolton going to say, who is leaking this information and this is why, or a purge of what they were calling the obama foldovers which makes no sense, because they have been serving at the national security council for various administrations and no political agenda. >> well, if you knew who the leaker was, you could fire the leaker, but if you can't prove it, then you are firing a bunch of people and maybe not even the leaker. what do you do? >> well, you say, that we have to stop this right now, and if it is the happening again, we have the clean house, and lay down the law of the land, but the process has to keep functioning. we have a loft work to do. we are supposed to be meeting with the north korean, and iran deal re-cecertification coming and you can't get rid of everybody who is there to catch a leaker. >> and richard a haas, the career diplomat and we all know richard, and he tweeted that the real donald trump is set for war on three front, and not a good
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thing to state the obvious. and bob mueller, economic chai in and acchaina and iran and/or north korea. th this is the most perilous moment in modern american history, and it is largely brought about by ourself, not by events. >> this is if you want to say, three fronts, but this is not all of the president's making, and we have been worried about the north koreans worrying about making nuclear weapons for 25, 30 years. and we have been worried about china long predating donald trump, and the russian nous meddled in the election, and the president we have no evidence that he invited it, but they have, and some of the things that he is inherit and he is fighting the wars and frankly i am glad for the staff shake-up, because i want a president who can trust the staff that he can trust, and we have to win on north korea and china. >> and 50% turnover for this
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president, and it is not going to count john kelly or shulkin or carson or anybody else that april may report coming in. >> it is not healthy for the administration r or america, and to point that donald trump might maybe inherited some of these things, i think that it is a perilous moment and folks are saying that, because he is indicated that he has bigger bombs and his button is bigger than north kree grand person he is bringing in john bolton and he is in it like -- >> size matters. >> and he is wanting the north korea to be a first option for him and not last. and john bolton got real questions on iran and suggests war on iran more than further negotiating the diplomatic route and that is why some folks out there are trying to check off the bucket list out there with john bolton. >> april, where are we with the staff shake-ups, and 48% according to brookings and the next closest was ronald reagan
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in 50% in the same time frame and we are going above that 50. >> and yes, the sources close to the president say that he wants people loyal to him, and versus what is happening now, and the leaker situation which is going into the thing that those who have their own issues, and maybe by traveling overseas when you shouldn't and talking about the v.a. and the head of v.a. and the furniture issues. >> and furniture issues, yes. carson. yes. >> and then you people on the n inside that he is questioning, and he knows thate in the room, feels they are talking about him outside of the room and knows that and feels it, and when you to the point where you feel that people are talking about and leaking on you, is that leaking or would you call it something else? would you call it basically trying to make sure that the american public and the u.s. government are still standing,
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whistle-blowers. is it leaking or whistle blowers. >> and this is big question and he wants to bring in people who are loyal, but when somebody comes in, and do you then quit trying? >> well, i think that when the president watches the shows, right? and so what have we all been saying for a while, that he needed the adults in the room. he does not want that. so he is bringing in the people that he knows will not try to make him change, because he does not want to the change. he wants the presidency to change. >> well, bolton could be an adult, but one that prefers military action and regime change in place of di ploem is si. he is a grown-up, but i don't know if i like where he is leading the policy focus. >> and the focus on john bolton and seeing the the right place person at the the right time and don't focus on john bolton, but president trump. john bolton whether you like the poli policies or not, he is competent to do the job, and donald trump, we have to keep an eye on him, because he does want to bring the loyalists in and that is a
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problem. >> thank you for that. and i ap preciate this special coverage. "sex and love around the world" with christiane amanpour is n next. kennedy plans to make a deal on the nuclear disarmament, but the soviet leader makes an impossible demand. he wants kennedy to surrender the western sector of berlin. despite his best efforts jack is humiliated. he leaveses the summit having achieved nothing. >> i will tell you now what it was a very sober two days. >> jfk learns that winning power
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