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here? the message is clear from these folks. vote out any politician who does not support new gun control laws. cnn's ryan nobles has more on the momentum behind the movement and what comes next. >> reporter: organizers were expecting a good turnout at these rallies. not just here in washington but all across the country. but what ended up happening on saturday defied their wild expectations. on a day filled with loud cries. >> we want action! >> reporter: powerful songs. ♪ >> reporter: and energizing speeches. >> we are not here for bread crumbs. we are here for real change. >> reporter: it may have been the sound of silence that best captured the moment.
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emma gonzalez, a young woman, who has become one of the most recognized faces out of the movement born out of the massacre that took place in the halls of her school stood stone-faced and silent. >> six minutes and about 20 seconds. in a little over six minutes, 17 of our friends were taken from us. >> reporter: gonzalez and a cadre of her friends from marjory stoneman douglas students took their pain and participated in marches and rallies from all over the world. from boston. to chicago. >> the violence that they experience every day! >> reporter: denver. to los angeles. and back to parkland, florida, where the shooting took place. >> enough is enough! >> reporter: while they may have have only had each other when the shots rang out they had the supports of hundreds of thousands, including celebrities. >> one of my best friends was
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killed in gun violence right around here. so it's important to me. >> reporter: pop stars. and even the granddaughter of a civil rights icon. >> i have the dream that enough is enough! and that this should be a gun-free world, period! >> reporter: their hope is to do much more than march. they want action. specifically, stricter gun laws. something the federal government has been reluctant to do. >> stand for us or be aware. the voters are coming! >> reporter: the debate over guns remains divisive. counter rallies held in boston and salt lake city, but these students hope this movement is different, that common ground will be reached and they are warning their leaders they won't be giving up until they get the change they are looking for. the message from many students, they don't want these rallies to be the end of their work but the beginning instead.
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many of them say they're prepared to become politically active and prepared to vote what is the first election for many of this fall. in fact, many students said before they were a part of this tragedy, politics was something they never thought about. now it's become one of their biggest priorities. christi and victor? >> ryan, thank you so much. the white house praised the marchers and students for their rallies saying keeping children safe is the president's top priority. >> the white house we haven't heard specifically from the preside president. we know he is wake and tweeting from his florida resort this morning. kristen is live from washington. >> i have my phone out in case we hear from the president so don't worry. i'll let you know. he is honoring a soldier who died in the france isis attack and he is talking about the wall and daca and blaming democrats on that. but nothing on these historic marches we saw yesterday. and while these, you know, hundreds of thousands of people were in washington, he was in florida at mar-a-lago just about
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35 miles away from where that parkland massacre happened. and nothing from him on the marches. we did get this statement from the white house and pull it up for you so i can read it. just to note there, the bump stocks are the attachment to firearms that turn semiautomatic weapons into automatic weapons which were used in vegas. but not in the parkland massacre. it should be noted this isn't what these kids are asking for. they are asking for a ban on assault-style weapons. they are asking for a ban on high capacity magazines for ammunition. and they are asking for everyone who buys a gun to get a
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background check. now, at the beginning shortly after the shooting, president trump indicated that he might do something with assault weapons saying he might raise the age limit. it's currently 18, to 21. but backed away from that. instead creating a federal school safety commission. but, again, we will be watching this very closely. these were historic marches and it seems as though it is the beginning of a movement. >> kristen holmes in washington for us, thank you. with us is kelly jane torrance and pat bolton and cnn little commentator jack kingston. thank you all for being here. jack, as we see the power of what we saw yesterday, do you have a sense of how the republican party is going to deal with this, balance this as we head into midterms? >> no i don't.
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i think that the republican party should have something to balance this. of course, they have already taken legislative action with the fix nics bill, violation against the school violation bill signed into law and banning of bump stocks, and allowing cdc to look at gun control so there has already been significant steps on a federal level. states will start taking their other steps. i think the. party knows this is a political movement and sees a lot of energy and passion in young america that they need to get in there and counterbalance and say, well, listen. do you really want to repeal part of your constitutional rights? should you, for example, know what an assault weapon actually is? should you know what the gun stats really are as compared to what you think they are? should you know how many shootings have been in schools? in other words, what i think -- this is not just republicans. but i think it's society to say,
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look. listen. this is real passion and there is a real problem, but let's have a real debate with real facts to effect real policy. i don't think we are there yet. >> real facts, passion, energy, political movement. scott, let me come to you. >> please come to me! please! >> that is what jack says the republican party says. let me read to you what the nra stayed. gun hating billionaires and hollywood elites are manipulating school children as part of their plan to destroy the second amendment. >> you're saying that to the carnage of parkland and hundreds of other mass shootings because of assault rifle. we know assault rifle bans work from the '90s because it was never to end gun violence. it was to end the carnage by the assault rifle bans. jack, we don't need more rhetoric. we need reality. >> gout it. sign it into law. >> we didn't get enough signed
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into law. the president would not raise the age limit for even owning a gun and we know that would have prevented, at least i think it would have prevented parkland because the shooter was 19. it should he 21. the rhetoric the president when he meets with the victims is one thing and the rhetoric he meets with the nra the next day is completely different. he didn't raise it and may do the bump stocks, don't get me wrong, but thousands of other loopholes he could close. it's not about owning a gun or not. i don't want to take away gun rights. it's about gun control, reasonable gun control and how come i can't be a gun rights advocate and a gun control advocate at the same time? i can. republicans and the nra lumped them together and instance you want to do gun control, then they say you want to give up my second amendment right. it's about people dying. it's not about constitutional rights. so stop melding those two together and get some reality in
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your rhetoric! >> i want to point out, hold on. let me point out the president will need some congressional partners to go to a lot of this stuff do not. >> if i could say real quickly. >> he can do it with piolitical will. >> you were bragging, scott about the victory in pennsylvania. that was pro gun candidate. when you had the imagine, house senate and barack obama in the white house, you did not do gun control bans that you're now calling for. your latest candidate ran on a pro gun platform. there is a lot of discussion here. >> this isn't a republican issue. it's a democrat and republican issue. >> just this morning just laelg the nra released a press statement and the headline, kelly jane, your reaction to the nra this morning applauding president trump? >> yeah.
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they are, obviously, in a very difficult spot right now politically, and so they are realizing they might have to settle for some legislation that they don't like. but scott is right. why can't somebody want reasonable measures on guns and still believe in the second amendment? the problem is a lot of people are calling for some of these laws, they do ultimately want to ban guns and a lot of people in america who own guns know that. and so they are, you know, when they start hearing these things, they know that some of those people do want to ban guns. laws that are completely reasonable, as scott says, they don't support them because they think, hey, that is just the first step to you trying to take away my guns. of course, not everybody calling for these reasonable measures like background checks. that seems pretty reasonable. what is the problem there? although one of the problems is some of these people shouldn't have passed background checks that did. we are hearing from a lot of these shootings like someone
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called the fbi and said, hey, this guy is messed up, i'm worried he is going to shoot up a school and they ignored it. the problem is there are some people who do want to get rid of guns and because gun owners know that, they are nervous about anything that they think is going to lead to that. and so you do have a split in america and like said this candidate was pro gun. that is the thing people see it as a black and white issue, you're either pro gun or anti-gun and it me not the right way to talk about this. >> what do i need an assault rifle for other than target practice? >> you can't have one. scott, assault rifles are against the law right now. that just shows -- >> wait a minute. >> we can't hear both of you at the same time. >> a cosmetic rifle that looks like an assault rifle doesn't make an assault rifle. >> it doesn't matter! a weapon -- no, listen to me. >> come on on, scott. >> a weapon is a weapons of mass
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destruction. no purpose other than target practice and you can own one and keep it at the gun shop. otherwise, it's a weapons of mass destruction and you have carnage of young kids all around this country. the killing fields of chicago and the killing fields of parkland, is there no difference. >> scott, scott, okay. so what you just said is that the national policy should be that if i'm buying an ar-15, which is not an assault rifle, i should be required as an american citizen to keep that at the gun dealer and check it out and use it for target practice and -- >> if you keep it at your home, lock it up. we infringe on amendments all the time. >> the topic of this conversation is really about this march we saw and the movement led by the students out of parkland and now spread around the world. scott, let me take you back to 2000. the country has been at this moment before. it was the year after columbine, the beginning of this school shooting era that we are living
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in now. there was the million moms march. 750,000 people in washington, hundreds of thousands of people across the country. it was an election year. gun control advocates expected that this would be the watershed moments and democrats thought this would lead to major electoral turnover in november of 2000. bush won the lex and needle did not move and the movement did not live up to its potential. why is this expected to be any different? >> same expectation as they had in all of those prior movements. the reality is this, victor. for it to have legs the real work starts post of this march, after this march. you got to organize and register people to vote and then you got to get them to the polls to vote and run candidates who are not beholden to the nra and those who care more about gun control, reasonable gun control and not about the nra and their monies. attorney general thing you got to do is you got to replace the
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nra money that makes candidates beholden to the nra and replace that money with something and then make it unpleasant for every elected official to take money from the nra. >> are they beholden to the nra? >> let's give kelly jane one last word. >> are they beholden to the nra and their money or beholden to some places in america t. we are in a bubble of washington, d.c. there are parts of america where they are strong about this. they are beholden to tear constituents and worried about the votes and in some places in america people feel very strongly about this. >> kelly jane, you're offering -- hold on hold on! kelly jane, you're offering that comment from washington. christi and i are sitting in georgia so we understand the sentiment you're sharing this. we have to wrap it there. we have been at this moment before. 18 years ago we saw a huge
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turnout for gun control in the nation's capital and that essentially went nowhere. where does this go? how will this be different? kelly jane, scott, and jack, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you, folks. so the stormy daniels saga, it continues tonight with potential new details about her alleged affair with the president and the efforts to silence her. what can we expect to learn from this tell-all? plus the new role of the president lawyer on president trump's legal team is still in question. we will have more questions on who joseph di geneva is. that snex.
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you know, could never happen here. but those same people are the ones who saw all the signs and never said anything. being bullied. the obsession with guns. even posting on instagram about shooting up the school. i mean, no one said anything. i'm sure tomorrow somebody will wish they had said something.
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trump. >> reporter: that is jofs digenova. he is the same joe dah jeja novo were working to fabricate trump. his notion is based in part on thousands of text messages exchanged between two fbi officials. >> everything that we have seen from these texts and from all of the facts developing shows that the fbi and senior d.o.j. officials conspired to violate the law and to deny donald trump his civil rights. >> reporter: digenova is one of the three that trump has brought on board. now fourth in line at the state
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department. not to mention all of the other fox anchors trump leans on for advice. digenova and his wife and wife. most of his focus is on cases involving corruption and fraud. the hiring of digenova may be part of a more aggressive approach. he is expected to engage the media and mount a strong defense of the president. often, he delivers personal attacks sounding a lot like the president himself. listen. >> fbi has lost almost all of its credibility and regrettably its integrity as a result of the conduct of james comey who remains america's most dirty cop. >> whatever you may think of loretta lynch and a locally attorney general with regard to her conduct. >> there was a brazen plot to
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illegally exonerate hillary clinton and if she didn't win the election, to then frame donald trump with a falsely created crime. >> reporter: he slammed president barack obama too. >> he has become a man drunk with power! awe abusive of the constitution and lawless. >> reporter: in 1997 he wrote a op-ed related to then president bill clinton saying an independent council should not be reluctant to prosecute. adding it would teach the valuable civics lesson that no one is above the law. words that may come back to haunt him and his client. randy kaye, cnn, new york. >> let's bring in michael moore, a former u.s. attorney general. the president seems to now be bringing in a conspiracy theorist to be part of his legal team, but is he really a part of the team or is he just
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mouthpiece for television? >> it looks to me like trump is bringing in a bomb thrower and my experience has been you don't do that when you're winning. so i think probably they have made a decision when they have looked at the evidence and you think about the obstruction investigation that mueller is doing that is a pretty damming interview that trump gave on air. they may have made a collusion the legal side is tough and now try to wage war in the court of public opinion. >> the president from the reporting out of washington is essentially now becoming his own legal strategist. >> right. >> how would you advise one on becoming their own legal strategist in this environment? >> right. i do think that his legal team has had a tough job and that is trying to control their client. the president likes to surround himself with cheerleaders. you don't need that in a lawyer. your lawyer's job is to tell the tough news and not a lawyer to tell you everything is great and rosy. i think the president likes to hear somebody patting him on the back saying everything is going his way and it's a good thing.
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that is the danger of becoming your own chief legal strategist. you need somebody on the side saying you need to slow down and this is not going good and think about this and put this in the calculation. he will not get that if he gets poem what are like minded and want to chaer him on. >> in randi kaye's story we heard framing the president. the president a couple of days ago, or last week now wants to speak sw mueller's team. those two things don't seem to correspond with one another. >> i'm the not sure the president want to talk to mueller's team. >> he wants people to think he did? >> that's right. he says i'm willing to give an interview and willing to cooperate and that is months we have heard that line and now we are hearing to negotiate the specific questions like they want the president have a take-home test so he can prep his answers and spout these things off. you can't count on trump to follow the rules of the take-home test.
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he is liable to get in there and perjury himself or deeper in the hole he is already in. i'm not sure he wants to do it but i do think that digenova's idea you can't trust anybody, that is not compatible with this idea they want to be forthcoming. >> aside from some of the questions reportedly the president has where digenova would fit with the legal team and strategy there are questions about potential conflicts of interest and one glancing view of this would seem to be obvious. digenova legal partner and wife represents several people who have been interviewed by special counsel mueller including sam cloveis was a national co-chair. does that seem to conflict with bringing someone in if your wife and legal partner represents someone else in this probe? >> it complicates it and may be why we are seeing a slow down on
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digenova coming and being a part of the team. there are ideas how you can build a wall to separate your partners or your law firm from potential conflicts of interest and as long as you're not doing something adverse to the client that the firm is representing,, you know, ball rooms to talk that about and give you guidance on it. it's interesting after this big announcement he was going to come and be the mouthpiece of the legal team now and now we have suddenly a back-off as we move forward and the potential conflict may be the reason for that. >> put some meat on the difficulty the president and his legal team are having bringing more attorneys on. we saw john dowd quit this week. they reached out to four top attorneys in washington and didn't get one of them to join. >> i think a lawyer has to make a decision when you undertake representation, especially when you have the president of the united states as a client. whether or not you can go and maintain the level of professional services that you're used to rendering so a
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client who is not going to listen to you. the president is used to being a ceo. he is used to doing his own thing and not taking anybody else's advice. the lawyer has got to decide i'm putting my name out there and neck on the line and reputation on there personally and professional and am i willing to do that? and i think that could pose an internal problem. i don't think it has anything to do with money. there is none of that. i think people are thinking, down the road, do i want to be the guy who is remembered for standing up and spouting off something that donald trump wanted me to say when i really knew it wasn't true. >> michael moore, thanks so much. >> glad to be with you. a lot more to talk about this morning, including the stormy daniels big interview tonight. christi, we are looking ahead to "state of the union." >> we are. "state of the union" with jake tapper. democratic senator tim kaine is talking to him. that is "state of the union" with jake tapper today at 9:00 a.m. eastern only on cnn. you saw the hundreds of thousands of people marching
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7:32 is the time. a powerful moment at the march for our lives rally in washington when a special 9-year-old speaker took the stage. the granddaughter of dr. martin luther king jr. >> she echoed the same message that her grandfather had in that city nearly 50 years ago now. >> my grandfather had that dream that his four little children will not be judged by the color of their skin but their character. i have a dream that enough is enough! and that this should be a gun-free world, period! will you please repeat these words after me? spread the word! >> spread the word! >> have you heard? >> have you heard? >> all across the nation! >> all across the nation! >> we.
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>> we! >> are going to be! >> are going to be! >> a great generation. now i'd like you to say it like you really, really mean it! spread the word! >> spread the word! >> have you heard? >> have you heard? >> all across the nation. >> all across the nation! >> we. >> we! >> are going to be! >> are going to be! >> a great generation. >> a great generation. >> i'd like you to say it like it really mean it in the whole entire world, so they can hear you! spread the word! >> spread the word! >> have you heard? >> all across the nation. >> all across the nation. >> we. >> we. >> are going to be! >> are going to be. >> a great generation. >> now give yourself a hand! >> yolanda renee king. stepping up to support young
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vices like hers or the survivors of other tragedies. >> moments by a single headline brought them together. this group of about 15 people marched in washington, survivors and victims relatives of the most horrific mass shootings in u.s. history. they came to embrace the students of parkland. >> i hope that the signs that we are carrying saying we support them, that we are survivors, that they know that there is light at the end of the tunnel. >> reporter: pat may survived a shooting that almost killed congresswoman gabby giffords seven years ago. she wrestled away a magazine of bullets as the gun ma tried to
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reload. the moment inspired her to become a gun control advocate as she listens to the parkland students on stage. >> i will fight for all of us! >> reporter: >> reporter: she is emboldened to pass the torch to the next generation. >> the kids have done more than we have in years so let's let them take the lead. let's stand back and catch them when they fall or ask them what they need and give them what they need. >> reporter: each year this group grows. the tragedies haven't stuck. >> we they wanted to be with you guys. >> reporter: heather is new. she survived the las vegas ambush. here she's in a crowd bonded by tragedies. >> it's kind of sad that you don't introduce yourself by name. i'm las vegas. you're sandy hook? you're columbine? nobody understands what we understand. >> i wish i had net mever knit of these people but now i'm so glad they are a part of my life and a part of my family.
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>> reporter: jeremy smith and sam fellburn are the current student body president and vice president at virginia tech. they noticed this group and medicine uma. her father was an engineering professor killed in the virginia tech massacre. they had no idea this moment would touch their lives so closely. >> did you guys expect to meet someone like her today? >> since our shooting, it's been 11 years now. we walk by the memorial on our way to class every day of 32 hokies who died and it's insane that nothing has been done. >> reporter: they mourned by pushing for gun control legislation but they have experienced disappointment after disappointment. >> when i got the call from my sister and we had to tell her son, you cannot do anything. >> reporter: paul's brother was killed in a clamall shooting.
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he spent years lobbying makers. >> they have the benefit of youth and being invincible and not listening to people tell them you can't do that and they have been doing it and i love it. >> reporter: it's the children, they say, who are supposed to learn and find inspiration from their elders. >> the students have gotten the world to kind of stand up and take notice. >> reporter: here, it's the wise and experienced leaning on the young. >> when is this going to stop? this i hope is the beginning. this is going to be the beginning of the end. >> reporter: ed lavandera, cnn, washington. >> it's really a moment to see some of those people from sandy hook meet some of the other shooting survivors and finally have that moment together and hopefully maybe not just common ground but common strengths. >> it really brings back for --
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in a new interview with "the washington post" this morning, porn star stormy daniels says her career in the adult film industry has prepared her for a life of public scrutiny and now a highly aeped tv interview tonight. danels could provide new details about her alleged affair with the president and what she claims is an effort to silence her. we have kelly jane torrance with
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us now and michael moore. thank you both for sticking around. i want to ask, first of all, in this "the washington post," we learned a few things about her. she is a mother. she is a wife. she is an e que. when you hear that money, wife, money, what do you get about this? >> her motive to come out now is interesting and i think a question that remains and hopefully we will find about it in the interview tonight. the story came back to life when she filed a lawsuit. she, obviously, had told this tale one time before and told her story about this one time before, so i don't know. i'm curious about it because she does have a lot at risk. >> could she be on the hook for 20 million? >> you never go into court and think you're not at risk for
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something and her lawyer is probably telling that. the president has defended himself against something he says he wasn't a part of. he is talking about taking it to court and fighting people and he has a lawyer out there saying he paid money but nobody knows why he paid the money and he won't tell anybody. those things don't bode well for the president's side. >> because not a lot of it makes sense i think to some degree. there was in "the post" she did say this could be about motive. i didn't do this to get approval from anyone. i wanted to tell my truth and defend myself. kelly jane, here is the thing. what is she defending herself from? because wasn't it herself and her lawyer who made this public? with the lawsuit? >> it's a great question. yeah, what defending herself from what? all of the president has said he didn't have an affair with her
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and seems strange she wants to defend herself by saying i had an affair with a married man and i want the world to know about it. it is bizarre. we were joking in the makeup room earlier that if any of us had had an affair with president trump, we would be paying people not to tell anybody because we would be embarrassed by it! so it is a little strange and, you know, she's going to claim it's not about money. and, of course, it is. i have to say i was shocked that she, days before the election, agreed to keep quiet for $130,000. that is nothing to donald trump who claims to be a multibillionaire. and why did she settle for so little money? i have to think like trump, himself, according to michael wolf's book, maybe she thought he had no chance to become president. >> here is something else that is interesting. president trump is very vocal about what he thinks about many things. stormy daniels, karen mcdougal,
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it's almost as though these women have silenced him because he has said nothing. what does that tell you, michael, about the power these women have possibly over the president right now? >> i think he is used to being in the position of power. he basically has sort of brought these women in probably promised them things, thought he could pay them off and buy them with his power and his money and he is used to living that kind of life. suddenly, they have come out saying that doesn't matter to us and we are telling our story. the danger of him coming forward now we have one judge and state court action saying the case could move forward and puts the president in a posture to come in and likely give a deposition and testimony and answer some questions about what happened, the story there and sort of put meat on the bones i guess of the allegations in that case. that could put him in real jeopardy and not just politically, but also, you know, in his personal situation at home and other things like that. so i think he's at least maybe listening to some lawyers
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somewhere, somebody telling him he needs to keep quiet and let this thing roll out. >> i want to ask you about melania. as i understand it, she is staying at mar-a-lago and the president is going back to the white house tonight. she has been silent, of course. i know that we remember that moment with the bill clinton scandal when he was walking out to marine force one and hillary was with him and it was the first time they had been seen after everybody -- the whole thing had come out and she was holding chelsea's hand and chelsea was in between the two of them. a lot of people looking at melania wondering what is her reaction going to be here? my question is how much does ma la melania's reaction affects this moving barred? >> she is certainly not necessarily standing by her man and she is in a tough position. i mean, we don't know what she knew and when she knew it, of course. and the fact that both of these
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women said that they had an affair with donald trump months after melania gave birth to her son with donald trump, that has to be sort of an extra sting. she is in a difficult position and i don't envy her, but i think it's impressive that she is managing to stay quiet and she is taking the high road here and i applaud her for that. we will see how long it lasts. but, you know, it's funny. we in the press, you know, are analyzing her every move and when she steps off an airplane with donald trump and sort of goes ahead of him to get out and doesn't even look at him and walks quickly. we are analyzing that. >> right. >> we want to know. we want to know what is going on. it's the american -- >> yeah, it is. i'm sorry, kelly jane. i want to get to michael quick because we are over our time here. i want to ask you about the same
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thing. >> the only thing i can say about it and from a legal side is this. we don't know what kind of maybe prenup melania has with trump and that could be playing into this too so we don't know. at the end of the day remember, it's not play into this. >> it's about intimidation, possible violation of campaign finance. >> that's right. >> thank you both so much. we'll be right back. we took legendary... and made it liberating. we took safe... and made it daring. we took intelligent, and made it utterly irresistible. we took the most advanced e-class ever... and made the most exciting e-class ever. the 2018 e-class coupe and sedan. lease the e300 sedan for $569 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. and i heard that my cousin's so, wife's sister's husband was a lawyer, so i called him. but he never called me back!
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